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2012-01-27 02:35:28 PM
I heard today on NPR that since the end of American occupation of Iraq, that the nation has been breaking records for the amount of executions they are doing.

As I said, back in 2003, we'd simply be replacing one dictator for another when it is all said and done.
 
2012-01-27 03:01:47 PM
Nadie_AZ: I heard today on NPR that since the end of American occupation of Iraq, that the nation has been breaking records for the amount of executions they are doing.

As I said, back in 2003, we'd simply be replacing one dictator for another when it is all said and done
.


Well, there's your problem.
 
2012-01-27 03:09:08 PM
Stinkyy: Nadie_AZ: I heard today on NPR that since the end of American occupation of Iraq, that the nation has been breaking records for the amount of executions they are doing.

As I said, back in 2003, we'd simply be replacing one dictator for another when it is all said and done.

Well, there's your problem.


As opposed to what, exactly?
 
2012-01-27 03:52:42 PM
I suppose your next post will be, "George Bush, MISSION ACCOMPLISHED LULZ."

TFA is about some people that want to give the Armed Forces a pat on the back.
 
2012-01-27 04:40:26 PM
Stinkyy: I suppose your next post will be, "George Bush, MISSION ACCOMPLISHED LULZ."

TFA is about some people that want to give the Armed Forces a pat on the back.


So why did you post that dumb comment about NPR up there a ways?
 
2012-01-27 04:44:50 PM
USA! USA! USA!


YOUR NEXT IRAN!
 
2012-01-27 04:44:56 PM
They can use all the money they were saving for Super Bowl parades.
 
2012-01-27 04:45:26 PM
Good on them. Some of the small towns around here have had parades for their returning vets.
 
2012-01-27 04:45:44 PM
BarbadoSlim: USA! USA! USA!


YOUR NEXT IRAN!


What about my next Iran?
 
2012-01-27 04:45:48 PM
Thousands of veterans wandering the streets of St. Louis might cut down on the crime a bit.
 
zez
2012-01-27 04:47:32 PM
Detinwolf: Thousands of veterans wandering the streets of St. Louis might cut down on the crime a bit.empty out the homeless shelters and parks.
 
2012-01-27 04:47:42 PM
There was a good interview with one of the founders ( i forget which one )
on the Rachel Maddow show earlier this week about this.
I think its a great idea, even if i still think it was a stupid, stupid war.
 
2012-01-27 04:48:24 PM
Stinkyy: TFA is about some people that want to give the Armed Forces a pat on the back.

For doing what ?

Tearing a country to pieces and killing a bunch of people that were doing nothing to us .
 
2012-01-27 04:51:41 PM
Welcome home!

You've been Colin POWd!!
 
2012-01-27 04:53:38 PM
Detinwolf: Thousands of veterans wandering the streets of St. Louis might cut down on the crime a bit.

Didn't work out that way in Colorado Springs where the returning soldiers are murdering the locals.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/woundedplatoon/view/
 
2012-01-27 04:55:26 PM
That's one gripe I do have about Obama. He ended the 15 month multiple tour debacle, he got the troops out of Iraq, he did the surge in Afghanistan, he appointed Shinseki as head of the VA.

He better give vets of Iraq one nice parade come Veterans Day.

If we can have a flyover at farking football games we better buzz the parade with everything from WWI canvas and wood to drones.

The whole enchilada. With rice and beans. And a cold beer. And chips and salsa.
 
2012-01-27 04:56:38 PM
Well many of the troops that fought in Iraq and too busy deploying to Afghanistan to attend a parade.
 
2012-01-27 04:57:42 PM
FTFA - Celebrating the end of the Iraq War hasn't been as simple as the outpourings after the world wars, said Wayne Fields, professor of English and American Culture Studies at Washington University in St. Louis. With 91,000 troops still fighting in Afghanistan, many Iraq veterans could be redeployed - suggesting to some that it's premature to celebrate their homecoming.

"We're not celebrating the end of a war the way we were with V-E Day or V-J Day (after World War II)," Fields said. "Part of what this is trying to do is recognize the special service of those who were there even though we can't declare a victory over a clearly identified enemy."




While I see Fields' point, to NOT do something for the soldiers who made it home (even if they'll turn around and head back to that general region in a few months), seems rude.
 
2012-01-27 04:57:56 PM
>> Since the Iraq War ended there has been little fanfare for the veterans returning home. St. Louis is about to fix all of that

clip - The FRONTLINE investigation also uncovers extraordinary footage from police interrogation tapes alleging that members of the platoon murdered unarmed Iraqis. "There's a whole bunch of people in the unit that killed people they weren't supposed to," according to Bruce Bastien, who, along with Louis Bressler and Kenny Eastridge, is now serving time for the murder of Kevin Shields. In a stunning confession recorded by police interviewers and shown for the first time on television, Bastien admits to his role in the murder of two U.S. soldiers and the stabbing of a young woman during a robbery in Colorado Springs -- and he makes claims about more murders committed in Iraq during the surge. "It's easy to get away with that kind of s*** over there. You can just do it and be like, 'Oh, he had a gun,' and nobody really looks into it. 'F*** it, it's just another dead Haji.'"

While the Army has concluded that there is no evidence to back up Bastien's allegations of soldiers killing innocent Iraqis, FRONTLINE also speaks with platoon member Jose Barco, who makes a similar claim. "We were pretty trigger-happy," he says of the soldiers' time in Iraq. "We'd open up on anything. We usually rolled three or four trucks, and if one of them got hit and there was any males around, we'd open up, and we'd shoot at them. ... They even didn't have to be armed."

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/woundedplatoon/view/
 
2012-01-27 04:58:30 PM
Bob16: Stinkyy: TFA is about some people that want to give the Armed Forces a pat on the back.

For doing what ?

Tearing a country to pieces and killing a bunch of people that were doing nothing to us .


IT BEGINS
 
2012-01-27 05:00:19 PM
TheShavingofOccam123: That's one gripe I do have about Obama. He ended the 15 month multiple tour debacle, he got the troops out of Iraq, he did the surge in Afghanistan, he appointed Shinseki as head of the VA.

He better give vets of Iraq one nice parade come Veterans Day.


Err... why?

I can't tell if you approve of Obama's actions or not. But it seems like you do. And it seems like your reaction is: he got the soldiers out of an unnecessary occupation - now he owes us one.
 
2012-01-27 05:00:28 PM
But I thought plastering my Chinese-made Support Our Troops ribbons all over my gas guzzling SUV was enough.
 
2012-01-27 05:01:48 PM
TheShavingofOccam123 - That's one gripe I do have about Obama. He ended the 15 month multiple tour debacle, he got the troops out of Iraq, he did the surge in Afghanistan, he appointed Shinseki as head of the VA.

He better give vets of Iraq one nice parade come Veterans Day.




Based on what I've seen on the news, this isn't up to Obama. The debate whether or not to have a ticker-tape parade in NYC, for example, was between Mayor Bloomburg (who was okay with it) and the Pentagon (where there's some heel-dragging for reasons mentioned at the bottom of TFA).
 
2012-01-27 05:14:24 PM
epoc_tnac: TheShavingofOccam123: That's one gripe I do have about Obama. He ended the 15 month multiple tour debacle, he got the troops out of Iraq, he did the surge in Afghanistan, he appointed Shinseki as head of the VA.

He better give vets of Iraq one nice parade come Veterans Day.

Err... why?

I can't tell if you approve of Obama's actions or not. But it seems like you do. And it seems like your reaction is: he got the soldiers out of an unnecessary occupation - now he owes us one.


Four older kids in the neighborhood where I grew up went to Vietnam. They all came home addicted to drugs. They died very young--either OD or suicide and probably one murder committed by one on another of them. They had no careers, no wives, no children.

If a parade helps the men and women cope with whatever they have to cope with (if anything) then I hope they get a real big one in Washington DC. Regardless of who is POTUS or how I feel about his or any other POTUS' policies.
 
2012-01-27 05:16:51 PM
Sure, let's celebrate the military welfare queen murderers who volunteered to fight a pointless war.
 
2012-01-27 05:21:17 PM
Bob16: Detinwolf: Thousands of veterans wandering the streets of St. Louis might cut down on the crime a bit.

Didn't work out that way in Colorado Springs where the returning soldiers are murdering the locals.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/woundedplatoon/view/


Maybe I'll avoid the parade after all.
 
2012-01-27 05:23:38 PM
Calmamity: Stinkyy: I suppose your next post will be, "George Bush, MISSION ACCOMPLISHED LULZ."

TFA is about some people that want to give the Armed Forces a pat on the back.

So why did you post that dumb comment about NPR up there a ways?


Looks like he wanted to start a fight but was too pussy to stick it out and finish it.

See, now that's a set up for a "George Bush, MISSION ACCOMPLISHED LULZ" post
/George Bush, MISSION ACCOMPLISHED LULZ
 
2012-01-27 05:23:53 PM
Calmamity: Stinkyy: I suppose your next post will be, "George Bush, MISSION ACCOMPLISHED LULZ."

TFA is about some people that want to give the Armed Forces a pat on the back.

So why did you post that dumb comment about NPR up there a ways?


Because NPR is funded by George Soros?
 
2012-01-27 05:26:48 PM
Stinkyy: Calmamity: Stinkyy: I suppose your next post will be, "George Bush, MISSION ACCOMPLISHED LULZ."

TFA is about some people that want to give the Armed Forces a pat on the back.

So why did you post that dumb comment about NPR up there a ways?

Because NPR is funded by George Soros?


BE LESS BORING
 
2012-01-27 05:28:11 PM
Bob16: Stinkyy: TFA is about some people that want to give the Armed Forces a pat on the back.

For doing what ?

Tearing a country to pieces and killing a bunch of people that were doing nothing to us .


You wouldn't say that if it were your country that was getting torn to pieces. (There was one, Kuwait, you might have heard of it.)
 
2012-01-27 05:30:08 PM
Parades are for winners. They lost. Bush's fault, Rumsfeld's fault, the generals who ran the war's fault.........it don't matter. They lost. There should be no parades.
 
zez
2012-01-27 05:33:19 PM
varmitydog: Parades are for winners. They lost. Bush's fault, Rumsfeld's fault, the generals who ran the war's fault.........it don't matter. They lost. There should be no parades.

Steak Knives!
 
2012-01-27 05:35:29 PM
Crotchrocket Slim: Stinkyy: Calmamity: Stinkyy: I suppose your next post will be, "George Bush, MISSION ACCOMPLISHED LULZ."

TFA is about some people that want to give the Armed Forces a pat on the back.

So why did you post that dumb comment about NPR up there a ways?

Because NPR is funded by George Soros?

BE LESS BORING


What, you were looking for a car chase? I'm not here for your personal entertainment, shiat noodle.
 
2012-01-27 05:36:11 PM
Yeah, you'll get a parade, sure.

What? You want your VA benefits raised?

Ummm, hey look, I put a yellow ribbon sticker on my car!!!
 
2012-01-27 05:42:33 PM
epoc_tnac: ...he got the soldiers out of an unnecessary occupation...

I don't mean to nit-pick, but didn't Obama just stick with the original Bush pull-out? So while 'he got the soldiers out,' it was something already on the books, so a more accurate description would be 'he was the President when they were pulled out.'

I know, six of one, six of another. (My ex mother in- law used to say that. She never grasped the reason for saying 'six of one, have dozen of another.')
 
2012-01-27 05:43:32 PM
Half even.
 
2012-01-27 05:44:52 PM
Bob16: >> Since the Iraq War ended there has been little fanfare for the veterans returning home. St. Louis is about to fix all of that

clip - The FRONTLINE investigation also uncovers extraordinary footage from police interrogation tapes alleging that members of the platoon murdered unarmed Iraqis. "There's a whole bunch of people in the unit that killed people they weren't supposed to," according to Bruce Bastien, who, along with Louis Bressler and Kenny Eastridge, is now serving time for the murder of Kevin Shields. In a stunning confession recorded by police interviewers and shown for the first time on television, Bastien admits to his role in the murder of two U.S. soldiers and the stabbing of a young woman during a robbery in Colorado Springs -- and he makes claims about more murders committed in Iraq during the surge. "It's easy to get away with that kind of s*** over there. You can just do it and be like, 'Oh, he had a gun,' and nobody really looks into it. 'F*** it, it's just another dead Haji.'"

While the Army has concluded that there is no evidence to back up Bastien's allegations of soldiers killing innocent Iraqis, FRONTLINE also speaks with platoon member Jose Barco, who makes a similar claim. "We were pretty trigger-happy," he says of the soldiers' time in Iraq. "We'd open up on anything. We usually rolled three or four trucks, and if one of them got hit and there was any males around, we'd open up, and we'd shoot at them. ... They even didn't have to be armed."

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/woundedplatoon/view/


5/10 solid effort. You'll get some bites soon enough and when it happens I'll give you a 7.
 
2012-01-27 05:47:25 PM
There are volunteers at DFW airport almost every day welcoming home the soldiers. It may not be a parade but then again this isn't WWII either.
 
2012-01-27 05:48:34 PM
Bob16: Detinwolf: Thousands of veterans wandering the streets of St. Louis might cut down on the crime a bit.

Didn't work out that way in Colorado Springs where the returning soldiers black people are murdering the locals.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/woundedplatoon/view/


See how farking stupid that looks? What is the correlation you are trying to piece together here? If you say that soldiers are more likey to be violent criminals than the general population, prove it. fark you are a chinless moron.
 
2012-01-27 05:49:22 PM
I know that the angry hippie screaming angle is tempting to push on a slow news day, but the veterans of Iraq Part Deux have received nothing but fanfare from everybody.
 
2012-01-27 05:49:24 PM
Good news: a parade for you!
Bad news: you have to go to St. Louis.
 
2012-01-27 05:50:29 PM
Bob16: Stinkyy: TFA is about some people that want to give the Armed Forces a pat on the back.

For doing what ?

Tearing a country to pieces and killing a bunch of people that were doing nothing to us .


Have a problem with the war(s)? Great, I understand that, I do too. However, that being said....I'm asking you an honest question here...

Why do you think it's ok to disrespect soldiers who have done nothing but follow the commands of the people they were assigned to report to? That's kinda what you do when you sign up in the military. You don't get to say "no, really, I disagree, let's not do this." You deploy, you do your job, and you HOPEFULLY come home.

To disrespect these people is the height of dickishness, in my opinion. While they may not have been protecting you personally THIS TIME, you might want to keep that option around.
 
2012-01-27 05:50:35 PM
Not to imply any negativity about that, on my part.
 
M-G
2012-01-27 05:51:13 PM
If it weren't InBev now, I bet AB would have coughed up enough money for the whole thing. Of course, given that Boeing Defense is based here, you'd think they'd be dropping in a few bucks.

Of course, the time they're starting the reading the of names is terribly corny.
 
2012-01-27 05:51:25 PM
varmitydog: Parades are for winners. They lost. Bush's fault, Rumsfeld's fault, the generals who ran the war's fault.........it don't matter. They lost. There should be no parades.

We won the war on terror in the same way we are winning the war on drugs. Even the statement "War on Terror" is a fark-ready headline, shiat is ridiculous.

Can't win a war against a mindset.
 
2012-01-27 05:55:11 PM
Stinkyy: What, you were looking for a car chase? I'm not here for your personal entertainment, shiat noodle.

You are here for my personal entertainment.
 
2012-01-27 05:58:46 PM
OneGungHoSOB: varmitydog: Parades are for winners. They lost. Bush's fault, Rumsfeld's fault, the generals who ran the war's fault.........it don't matter. They lost. There should be no parades.

We won the war on terror in the same way we are winning the war on drugs. Even the statement "War on Terror" is a fark-ready headline, shiat is ridiculous.

Can't win a war against a mindset.


api.ning.com
 
2012-01-27 06:01:54 PM
TheShavingofOccam123: OneGungHoSOB: varmitydog: Parades are for winners. They lost. Bush's fault, Rumsfeld's fault, the generals who ran the war's fault.........it don't matter. They lost. There should be no parades.

We won the war on terror in the same way we are winning the war on drugs. Even the statement "War on Terror" is a fark-ready headline, shiat is ridiculous.

Can't win a war against a mindset.

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Ending segregation in America and wiping out individuals predisposition to commit acts of terror among BILLIONS of people are similiar?



wowdumbass
 
2012-01-27 06:04:44 PM
ticketfan: I don't mean to nit-pick, but didn't Obama just stick with the original Bush pull-out? So while 'he got the soldiers out,' it was something already on the books, so a more accurate description would be 'he was the President when they were pulled out.'

But he was still in charge of it. The pull out could have easily been postponed (like the end of the Bush tax cuts was). And Rick Perry said he would immediately send troops back into Iraq. Who knows what McCain would have done, we can only speculate. But just because there is a timetable for withdrawal, doesn't mean that it will happen.

I mean, I was surprised when they pulled out of Iraq, but in the light of Obama's scaling down the military, it makes sense. It's pure speculation that can never be proven, but I doubt that a Republican president would scale down the military or pull out of Iraq so soon.

/who knows, maybe they would
 
2012-01-27 06:14:05 PM
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So when does this turn into a "St. Louis sucks" thread?
 
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