You'd think after getting their asses handed to them over and over again about the stupid idiotic things they say Republicans would realize that the less they say the better, but thank god they are too stupid to figure that out yet.

Who needs facts when you have Republican talking points?

Steve Jobs certainly helped employment in the cancer treatment industry.

edmo: A very good read on why those jobs aren't coming back to the US (new window).

I read that. Very depressing. It would take a lot to turn this nation around and get out of the "race to the bottom" mind set we have now. I don't think we will ever see it.

As much as the State of the Union was a bunch of flag-waving, war mongering, centrist bullshiat; the GOP response was just a long list of moronic oversimplification and flat-out lies.

You see, you give the wealthy and corporations more money, the money "trickles down", and jobs are created magically out of thin air, regardless of demand or consumer finances!!!

2wolves: Cutting through all the pro/con Apple twatwaffle that is sure to accumulate how about Mr. Daniel's show us the GOP jobs program?

I'll wait.

I know they'd probably be fired in an instant, but I would love to see some reporter with a spine actually cut one of these farks off mid-sentence and ask what plan do they have that will fix the problem. And if they start talking about tax cuts, cut them off again and ask what rational plan they have for creating jobs.

Mitch is a damned embarrassment to little people.

mat catastrophe: As much as the State of the Union was a bunch of flag-waving, war mongering, centrist bullshiat; the GOP response was just a long list of moronic oversimplification and flat-out lies.

buh..?

Steve Jobs endores Obama for president in 2008, supported same-sex marriage and believed in man-made global warming. I would appreciate it if the GOP would stop throwing his name out there like he was some sort of conservative titan. He made his money selling products, not gutting companies or gambling on the financial markets.

Mitch Daniels: He was a job creator (in really small voice when no one is listening) for the Chinese.

Obviously, we need to bring back the Waltham-Lowell System and eliminate the minimum wage. If we had workers pulling 16 hour days and forced to live in on-site barracks with no recourse for dangerous conditions and no other feasible options to earn a living, we, too, could compete with China.

qorkfiend: mat catastrophe: As much as the State of the Union was a bunch of flag-waving, war mongering, centrist bullshiat; the GOP response was just a long list of moronic oversimplification and flat-out lies.

buh..?

It's there, in the exhortations of battlefield cooperation and camaraderie.

A Republican talking shiat but offering no solutions?



This is unprecedented. Usually they offer constructive criticisms with the goal of good policy that benefits the country.

OK, let's differentiate between full-time employees and contract workers. If I'm not mistaken, most of Apple's business in other countries is done via contract work. Contract workers do not work for Apple, are not hired by Apple, and are not directly paid any wages or benefits by Apple.

They're paying a foreign company to do work for them. It's not the same thing.

Corvus: edmo: A very good read on why those jobs aren't coming back to the US (new window).

I read that. Very depressing. It would take a lot to turn this nation around and get out of the "race to the bottom" mind set we have now. I don't think we will ever see it.

Well, we would need a bunch of midlevel engineers willing to take a 75% pay cut, for starters. And the US government would need to agree to finance new factories just in case some other company from another country possibly gave them a contract.

However, on general principles, I don't really have a problem with foreign-made products. If they sell for less here, that means people here spend less money on them, raising their standard of living. And for the Chinese workers, working in an iPhone factory beats half-starving to death toiling on some collective farm in the countryside.

Tell Me How My Blog Tastes: qorkfiend: mat catastrophe: As much as the State of the Union was a bunch of flag-waving, war mongering, centrist bullshiat; the GOP response was just a long list of moronic oversimplification and flat-out lies.

buh..?

Because he didn't spit on the Joint Chiefs or tell the Iranians that the US would never, under any circumstances, fight them he's a war monger.

//Moderation is not a sin, people

Actually, the good lord Jesus did admonish people who were "lukewarm".

Suck it, moderates.

Not only that, but they hire an extra 100,000 outside the US every year, because their employees commit suicide due to poor working conditions. Yes, lets bring that culture back to the US!

That's true but only because he didn't harmonize various statistical quirks.

Mitch Daniels doesn't care whether his soundbites are true, and sadly neither do Republican voters.

2wolves: Cutting through all the pro/con Apple twatwaffle that is sure to accumulate how about Mr. Daniel's show us the GOP jobs program?

Since I'm too lazy to type it out again, I'm copying and pasting the GOP jobs program to this thread.

The GOP's plan to fix the economy:

Child Labor - Newt Gingrich
Reduced Regulation - Everyone
Eliminate minimum wage or drastically reduce the minimum wage - Bachmann (and others)
Remove all heath and wellness requirements (Obamacare, etc) - Everyone
Extend working hours - Paul LePage (and others)
Remove environmental protections - most of the party.
Reduction of educational funding for the poorest areas (replace with "vouchers" that the poorest can't afford) - many in the party.
Repeal Habeas Corpus - most of the party... and Obama thanks to things like the Patriot Act.

If all of these great ideas go through as proposed, we will be on equal footing with China.

Allow people starting at the age of 14 to work 10 hour a day 6 days a week at $3 per hour and with benefits or health care. This way America will finally be able to return jobs to Americans by allowing us to compete with China's lax policies and almost non-existent human wellness and protection programs.

The GOPs plan to bring jobs back to America would definitely work. There's no doubt about that. It's just that American's will need to sacrifice some of the protections and freedom that they enjoy currently.

That's an impressive level of business-illiteracy for someone claiming the "party of business" mantle. Jobs wasn't secretly outsourcing tech jobs and continually downsizing US employees, it's the single thing that his company is most famous for.

Seriously, if you bring up Apple in a conversation about business the word "outsourcing" is going to come up in the next sentence. Seriously, it probably beats out both "iPod" and "Mac" as the inevitable follow-up.

Goddamn it, it's bad enough I live in this state and have to listen about this disingenuous shiatbag using state money to lobby for pet projects that ultimately harm this state, stump for felons in state elections, host fire sales of state assets to corporations who lobbied for him, bust unions, throw education in the toilet, and act like a general tool. Even worse he does all that above shiat to thunderous applause from this state's derp brigade (otherwise known as Indiana residents).

Can I please at least listen to national politics without this particular disingenuous shiatbag stinking up the political discourse? We already have more than enough disingenuous shiatbags there, thanks very much.

IXI Jim IXI: Eddie Adams from Torrance: Apple doesn't employ Americans because Obama has given us too much of his liberal pinko communism.

Of course, those liberal pinko commies buy a lot of iPhones, iPads, iDildos...

Of course, it's company policy never to imply ownership in the event of a iDildo. We have to use the indefinite article, "an iDildo", never ... your iDildo.

Pincy: You'd think after getting their asses handed to them over and over again about the stupid idiotic things they say Republicans would realize that the less they say the better, but thank god they are too stupid to figure that out yet.

This is their theme song.

degenerate-afro: 2wolves: Cutting through all the pro/con Apple twatwaffle that is sure to accumulate how about Mr. Daniel's show us the GOP jobs program?

Since I'm too lazy to type it out again, I'm copying and pasting the GOP jobs program to this thread.

The GOP's plan to fix the economy:

Child Labor - Newt Gingrich
Reduced Regulation - Everyone
Eliminate minimum wage or drastically reduce the minimum wage - Bachmann (and others)
Remove all heath and wellness requirements (Obamacare, etc) - Everyone
Extend working hours - Paul LePage (and others)
Remove environmental protections - most of the party.
Reduction of educational funding for the poorest areas (replace with "vouchers" that the poorest can't afford) - many in the party.
Repeal Habeas Corpus - most of the party... and Obama thanks to things like the Patriot Act.

If all of these great ideas go through as proposed, we will be on equal footing with China.

Allow people starting at the age of 14 to work 10 hour a day 6 days a week at $3 per hour and with benefits or health care. This way America will finally be able to return jobs to Americans by allowing us to compete with China's lax policies and almost non-existent human wellness and protection programs.

The GOPs plan to bring jobs back to America would definitely work. There's no doubt about that. It's just that American's will need to sacrifice some of the protections and freedom that they enjoy currently.

I apologize to the grammar nazi for the extra apostrophe on Americans.

Lando Lincoln: Okay, you farkers, now you're gone TOO GODDAMN FAR. I TAKE UMBRAGE ON THAT COMMENT. GOOD DAY, SIR. I SAID GOOD DAY.

Oh, sure, take all the umbrage and leave nothing for us!

Eddie Adams from Torrance: Apple doesn't employ Americans because Obama has given us too much of his liberal pinko communism.

That's why big corporations are sending jobs to China--to get AWAY from all that godless Commu--oh, wait. . .

Geotpf: And for the Chinese workers, working in an iPhone factory beats half-starving to death toiling on some collective farm in the countryside.

From the description given, it seems one is pretty much like the other.

CPennypacker: Steve Jobs endores Obama for president in 2008, supported same-sex marriage and believed in man-made global warming. I would appreciate it if the GOP would stop throwing his name out there like he was some sort of conservative titan. He made his money selling products, not gutting companies or gambling on the financial markets.

Since they're going to run a Mormon in the next election, they've decided to adopt some practices of the LDS. Posthumous baptism was as good a start as any.

IrateShadow: CPennypacker: Steve Jobs endores Obama for president in 2008, supported same-sex marriage and believed in man-made global warming. I would appreciate it if the GOP would stop throwing his name out there like he was some sort of conservative titan. He made his money selling products, not gutting companies or gambling on the financial markets.

Since they're going to run a Mormon in the next election, they've decided to adopt some practices of the LDS. Posthumous baptism was as good a start as any.

ZING!

Impasse: Steve Jobs certainly helped employment in the cancer treatment industry.

Chinese executions squads too. Was there an industry he didn't exploit, I mean, touch? He was an amazing person.