Guys! I don't wanna play Somali pirate anymore.

1. Give them the ransom
2. Secure the captives
3. Return later and kill every single one of the pirates

"It's difficult to hold U.S. hostages, because it's a game of chance: die or get huge money. But we shall stick with our plans and will never release him until we get a ransom," Abdi said.


In other words, terrorist say every time you pay them off, it guarantees many more will try it again. Everyone who has paid a bribe is directly responsible for this continuing. It's time to change the odds to 0% chance of payment and 100% chance of Special Forces to the face.

At least one pirate agreed with his analysis.

I am amused by this.

FTFA: "MSF strongly favors the nonviolent resolution of such cases, as the use of force endangers the lives of the hostages and may result in the tragic loss of human lives," the group said. "We call upon the Somali population, especially the local authorities in control of the areas where the two are held, to do everything in their power to assist in their safe release."

How do people get this stupid? The reason kidnappings escalate is because you knuckle under to blackmail. Abdi's quotes drip fear and desperation.I'd say the raids are working just fine, don't stop them.

If I were a Somali pirate, this would lead me to consider American hostages as a liability rather than an asset and to execute them immidiately. I wouldn't want to worry about SEAL team 6 busting down my doors.

"It wasn't just a hit-and-run operation, but long planned with the help of insiders among us," Abdi said, noting that the Americans struck at a time when the pirates were least on their guard.

Sucks to be you.

May you die screaming.

A challenger appears: 1. Give them the ransom
2. Secure the captives
3. Return later and kill every single one of the pirates

There's no profit in that.

Why aren't we killing these pirates whenever we come across one of their boats? Shoot the crew, pop a couple of holes in their boat and let them become fish food.

cgraves67: If I were a Somali pirate, this would lead me to consider American hostages as a liability rather than an asset and to execute them immidiately. I wouldn't want to worry about SEAL team 6 busting down my doors.

You say that as though it excludes dying from special forces.

If the chances of money becomes zero and the death rate becomes 100% then the kidnapping will stop.

Desperation causes things like this, and killing people will certainly make it less common, but until Somalia gets it's government together and starts actually giving people alternatives, this chunk of the world is just not going to be safe.

//sailor
//stays the hell away from Somalia

The russians did it right when they caught the pirates.

From their article

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Thisbymaster: If the chances of money becomes zero and the death rate becomes 100% then the kidnapping will stop.

You're assuming we are dealing with rational people.

Mr Guy: "It's difficult to hold U.S. hostages, because it's a game of chance: die or get huge money. But we shall stick with our plans and will never release him until we get a ransom," Abdi said.


In other words, terrorist say every time you pay them off, it guarantees many more will try it again. Everyone who has paid a bribe is directly responsible for this continuing. It's time to change the odds to 0% chance of payment and 100% chance of Special Forces to the face.

Pretty much this. I feel bad for the aid workers and the like who get kidnapped doing this (the two we rescued were helping to remove landmines). The thing is though that at the rate piracy/kidnapping is growing, we can't just keep paying them off. All it does is fund future kidnappings.

Also it appears that as merchant ships arm themselves better and more naval vessels patrol off the coast, the pirates are scaling back on naval activities and kidnapping more aid workers. Some kind of message needs to be sent here. Really the smart thing to do would be for the aid groups to pull out for a 6 month period or so, let NATO commando teams raid some strongholds, and then once everyone has gotten the message they can consider returning.

cgraves67: If I were a Somali pirate, this would lead me to consider American hostages as a liability rather than an asset and to execute them immidiately. I wouldn't want to worry about SEAL team 6 busting down my doors.

The only reason they're capturing citizens is to extort their governments for money. If they started just executing people for the hell of it they'd be getting more than SEAL team 6 busting down their doors.

The lesson here is that it's scary to know that a Seal Team might appear out of nowhere in the dead of night and kill you and all your buddies

/good to know

I'd rather die knowing someone was trying to rescue me, then spend months or years being held for a ransom that's never going to be paid anyway. Besides, after years of not getting any money for me, the bad guys would have to realize that keeping me hostage was costing them money, with no guarantee
of any money coming in the future, so let's just kill the hostage.

cgraves67: If I were a Somali pirate, this would lead me to consider American hostages as a liability rather than an asset and to execute them immidiately. I wouldn't want to worry about SEAL team 6 busting down my doors.

Which means you wouldn't bother trying to get American hostages in the first place, since there's no money in it.

thismomentinblackhistory: I love how modern pirate organizations have a PR wing to give interviews to journalists.

FTFA: "They send hit squads and kill all they want, so there is no way we will care for their (hostages) while they are killing us. They will see the aftereffects and reap the results of their actions," said Bile Hussein, a Somali pirate commander.

I think he's missing his own point.

big pig peaches: Thisbymaster: If the chances of money becomes zero and the death rate becomes 100% then the kidnapping will stop.

You're assuming we are dealing with rational people.

The beautiful part of this plan is the mind set of enemy doesn't matter, they will run out of pirates before we run out of bullets.

Thanks alot fartbongo. Worst President Ever.

Whatthefark: Why aren't we killing these pirates whenever we come across one of their boats? Shoot the crew, pop a couple of holes in their boat and let them become fish food.

Unfortunately the flying of the Jolly Roger became unpopular in recent years, what with people shooting the crews and scuttling their boats. :-)

Harry Freakstorm: What's the price for slightly used, guaranteed to work U S parachutes? I always see them gathering them up during training missions but I assume during a real mission, they're considered disposable. You don't want to leave one guy behind to watch them and you sure don't want to lug a chute around while killing pirates.

1. Kidnap an American. Make it look like he's at area X
2. SF drop in, shoot up area X. No American
3. Gather up parachutes, log on to eBay.
4. Profit (less PayPal and eBay).

You're the worst Bond villan ever.

Carousel Beast: cgraves67: If I were a Somali pirate, this would lead me to consider American hostages as a liability rather than an asset and to execute them immidiately. I wouldn't want to worry about SEAL team 6 busting down my doors.

You say that as though it excludes dying from special forces.

Good point. Might get a larger number of pissed off marines instead of a few seals.

I say we start buzzing their camps with predators

Harry Freakstorm: 1. Kidnap an American. Make it look like he's at area X
2. SF drop in, shoot up area X. No American
3. Gather up parachutes, log on to eBay.
4. Profit (less PayPal and eBay).


Not a bad idea but I'd wager that the shipping from Somalia to wherever it is people can afford those parachutes would drive the price up. Also who in their right mind would buy a device intended to stop death via falling from someone in Somalia?

Oh, the Somali pirates have nothing to worry about until election time; or if some Obama WH scandal breaks and they need a distraction.

\Don't believe in coincidences
\\Yea! for rescuing hostages
\\\Fark you for waiting until SOTU time.

A challenger appears: 1. Give them the ransom
2. Secure the captives
3. Return later and kill every single one of the pirates

1. Locate Pickpocket trainer.
2. Pay Pickpocket trainer, train up Pickpocket skill.
3. Use new level in Pickpocket to pickpocket your gold back.

DORMAMU: Carousel Beast: cgraves67: If I were a Somali pirate, this would lead me to consider American hostages as a liability rather than an asset and to execute them immidiately. I wouldn't want to worry about SEAL team 6 busting down my doors.

You say that as though it excludes dying from special forces.

Good point. Might get a larger number of pissed off marines instead of a few seals.

I say we start buzzing their camps with predators

Call up the Rangers and ask "Anyone in for some payback?".

Simpsons didn't do that.

ha-ha-guy: DORMAMU: Carousel Beast: cgraves67: If I were a Somali pirate, this would lead me to consider American hostages as a liability rather than an asset and to execute them immidiately. I wouldn't want to worry about SEAL team 6 busting down my doors.

You say that as though it excludes dying from special forces.

Good point. Might get a larger number of pissed off marines instead of a few seals.

I say we start buzzing their camps with predators

Call up the Rangers and ask "Anyone in for some payback?".

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Lando Lincoln: "If they try again, we will all die together"

That's a brilliant strategy you have there.

I can't help but notice they use same strategy is all the countries with a nuclear arsenal use.

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At times like this I wish we didn't decommission the USS Missouri or New Jersey.

Parking a BB off of the coast and shelling the gang's hideouts would be a positive motivator for those that practiced piracy to mend their ways. It isn't like we don't have precedent for doing it. While the Barbary Wars are mostly forgotten, they remain our first offensive campaign outside of the Americas.

cgraves67: If I were a Somali pirate, this would lead me to consider American hostages as a liability rather than an asset and to execute them immidiately. I wouldn't want to worry about SEAL team 6 busting down my doors.

That is why you take them out regardless. if they are holding US hostages, send in Seals or Delta to "rescue" and eliminate all the pirates. if they kill US hostages, send in Seals or Delta to "recover the bodies" and eliminate all the pirates. you limit their options to either 1. don't take US hostages or 2. if you "accidentally" take US hostages, they better be dropped off at the nearest friendly embassy or hospital with clean underwear and a box of cookies before SOG finds you.
these guys are in it for the money, period. if you had a better chance of getting shot than of getting paid, you would stop going to work.

Whatthefark: Why aren't we killing these pirates whenever we come across one of their boats? Shoot the crew, pop a couple of holes in their boat and let them become fish food.

Because pirate boats look exactly like civilian fishing boats until they break out the RPG launchers. Including after they're blown up.

Of course, Obama could butcher a hundred babies on the White House steps, and every report from every outlet except Fox News would report it as, "Criminals use hundreds of babies as human shields, force President to make awful but necessary decision." So the real reason is the left's inability to do anything but throw a temper tantrum if even a single person raises an objection.

"It wasn't just a hit-and-run operation, but long planned with the help of insiders among us," Abdi said, noting that the Americans struck at a time when the pirates were least on their guard.

These dirty bastards attacked us when we were drunk and sleepy!!!!

Farkers: "The death Penelty doesnt work as a deterent you stupid farking redneck hicks."

Farkers after hearing of SEALs killing pirates: "fark ya, send them a message, let them know if you kidnap Americans you will die."

Make up your mind Fark. Make a principeled stand on dishing out death, not a situational stand.

ha-ha-guy: Mr Guy: "It's difficult to hold U.S. hostages, because it's a game of chance: die or get huge money. But we shall stick with our plans and will never release him until we get a ransom," Abdi said.

Really the smart thing to do would be for the aid groups to pull out for a 6 month period or so, let NATO commando teams raid some strongholds, and then once everyone has gotten the message they can consider returning.

See, there is your problem. Groups like Doctors Without Borders go into unstable areas run by thugs, thieves, et cetera and suddenly find themselves SHOCKED when one of them gets killed/ kidnapped. The chance of getting them to pull out is nil. The minute they hear about a single starving child, they go right back in.

Good people for wanting to help? Hell yes. But also often way to idealistic for common sense.

madgonad: At times like this I wish we didn't decommission the USS Missouri or New Jersey.

Parking a BB off of the coast and shelling the gang's hideouts would be a positive motivator for those that practiced piracy to mend their ways. It isn't like we don't have precedent for doing it. While the Barbary Wars are mostly forgotten, they remain our first offensive campaign outside of the Americas.

Since Somalian air forces probably consist of paper airplanes and winged seeds, I'm pretty sure we can bomb them at will. There is no need for a battleship.