Before anyone smugly comes in and says 'Well, I guess he doesn't care for 'Thou shall not kill'' and think he someone scored a point against religion:


It's actually 'Thou shall not murder'. Killing in self-defense, or in war, is perfectly acceptable under certain conditions. It's murdering people that's not acceptable.

And yes, there is a difference between both.

I wonder how he can tell that God wants them dead from 1000 yards away.

Tatsuma: It's actually 'Thou shall not murder'. Killing in self-defense, or in war, is perfectly acceptable under certain conditions.

I'm sure abortion can be rationalized as well, then.


/just like everything else is
//except teh ghey

It's true. Jesus was always very careful, across all of his sermons, to differentiate between killing someone who deserved to die and murdering someone. His "Three Cheek Turns, No More" doctrine is in fact the foundation of most ethical and legal codes, and can be traced to the American "three strikes and you're out" concept in almost a clear, unbroken line.

Tatsuma: It's actually 'Thou shall not murder'.

I have had a few different bibles but have never seen it this way. Is this the special version with asterisks and stuff?

People possess incredible powers to rationalize disobeying various parts of the bible while demanding strict obedience to others.

Either life is sacred or it is not. I believe that it is and that Thou Shalt Not Kill.

Camper.

Pocket Ninja: It's true. Jesus was always very careful, across all of his sermons, to differentiate between killing someone who deserved to die and murdering someone. His "Three Cheek Turns, No More" doctrine is in fact the foundation of most ethical and legal codes, and can be traced to the American "three strikes and you're out" concept in almost a clear, unbroken line.

Your deep insight, sir, is breathtaking, as usual.

Mugato: Camper.

I prefer Cracker.

Tatsuma: It's actually 'Thou shall not murder'. Killing in self-defense, or in war, is perfectly acceptable under certain conditions. It's murdering people that's not acceptable.

And yes, there is a difference between both.

Lawyer-speak.

But yeah, that's why we "declare war" on everything. If we lob missiles into a country knowing full well that civilian children are going to die, it's not murder because we declared war on terror. If we trap someone to a chair or a gurney and pump them full of drugs or electricity while there sitting there helpless it's not murder because we declared war on crime. The rules in the Bible are highly negotiable.

forgive my bad spelling, not awake yet

Tatsuma: Killing in self-defense, or in war, is perfectly acceptable under certain conditions.

You mean when God orders the slaying and burning of entire cities because a group of them don't worship him?
"Oh, those were just growing pains. Trying to expand the religion and save humanity, you know."
Don't bring Kirk Cameron into this.

So he's done things much worse than killing 255 people that he's worried about?

Mugato: But yeah, that's why we "declare war" on everything. If we lob missiles into a country knowing full well that civilian children are going to die, it's not murder because we declared war on terror. If we trap someone to a chair or a gurney and pump them full of drugs or electricity while there sitting there helpless it's not murder because we declared war on crime. The rules in the Bible are highly negotiable.

I declare War On Douchebags.
They have weapons or something. Don't worry if you don't find them, they probably had their awful friends hide/sell/eat them before you got to them. Trust me on this.

edmo: I have had a few different bibles but have never seen it this way.

It's a translation error. There are different words in Hebrew for killing and the one used in the 10 commandments is closer to 'murder' in modern English than 'kill'.

Tatsuma: Before anyone smugly comes in and says 'Well, I guess he doesn't care for 'Thou shall not kill'' and think he someone scored a point against religion:

Oh please, anybody who thinks that God disapproves of killing hundreds of people has obviously never read the Bible.

Tatsuma: Before anyone smugly comes in and says 'Well, I guess he doesn't care for 'Thou shall not kill'' and think he someone scored a point against religion:


It's actually 'Thou shall not murder'. Killing in self-defense, or in war, is perfectly acceptable under certain conditions. It's murdering people that's not acceptable.

And yes, there is a difference between both.

This is one of the silliest of the right wing arguments. "The bible is the literal word of God, except for the parts we don't like. Those are translation errors."

Tatsuma: Before anyone smugly comes in and says 'Well, I guess he doesn't care for 'Thou shall not kill'' and think he someone scored a point against religion:

How about I come in with "If you shoot 250 people through a high-magnification scope, you should at least feel SLIGHTLY bad" and think I scored a point for being a decent human being?

*sound of shattered glass*

BAH GAWD, IT'S TATSUMA! IT'S TATSUMA! AND HE IS TAKIN ON, ALL COMERS!

Sirjohnfalstaff: oldfarthenry: So he's done things much worse than killing 255 people that he's worried about?

That was the first thing I thought too. What else has this guy done?

Maybe he's also a studio executive and greenlit Jack and Jill.

My take on the whole thing is the guy should just stfu and gbtw.

Jake Havechek: kingoomieiii: Tatsuma: Killing in self-defense, or in war, is perfectly acceptable under certain conditions.

You mean when God orders the slaying and burning of entire cities because a group of them don't worship him?
"Oh, those were just growing pains. Trying to expand the religion and save humanity, you know."
Don't bring Kirk Cameron into this.

Sure, God said "kill all the Canaanites, smash their babies heads on the rocks and take their lands", because see: "God's Chosen People" are better than everyone else, they make their own rules.

Let's be fair. ALL religions based on the Bible (and its fanfics, the Qur'an and Book of Mormon) are sacks of human-grinding garbage.

Two best words in TFA: Job satisfaction

I predict good things for this thread.

Very good things.

Sirjohnfalstaff: That was the first thing I thought too. What else has this guy done?

Masturbation.

Lots & lots of masturbation.

I don't understand how someone could kill 255 people and not feel conflicted about it. I don't care who they were - it's insane to not feel any remorse over that.

jbuist: edmo: I have had a few different bibles but have never seen it this way.

It's a translation error. There are different words in Hebrew for killing and the one used in the 10 commandments is closer to 'murder' in modern English than 'kill'.

And it never occurred to anyone to correct it. Right.

Tatsuma: Before anyone smugly comes in and says 'Well, I guess he doesn't care for 'Thou shall not kill'' and think he someone scored a point against religion:


It's actually 'Thou shall not murder'. Killing in self-defense, or in war, is perfectly acceptable under certain conditions. It's murdering people that's not acceptable.

And yes, there is a difference between both.

You are completely correct. The main problem is that it's up to humans to decide what "murder" is.

DamnYankees: I don't understand how someone could kill 255 people and not feel conflicted about it. I don't care who they were - it's insane to not feel any remorse over that.

I'd imagine it's a fair bit easier to put it out of your mind at a half mile than it would be if it were up close and personal, you know, the real literally, having blood on your hands...

This guy is not a hero. I read an interview with him recently. One of the things he did after he killed someone was to wait until people came to the dead person's aid and then shoot them too, because obviously they must be guilty. Another thing was to shoot anyone who removed the body of the dead person. He said that American civilians wouldn't understand because we're "soft." But I'd rather be soft than a mass murderer.

vpb: Tatsuma: Before anyone smugly comes in and says 'Well, I guess he doesn't care for 'Thou shall not kill'' and think he someone scored a point against religion:


It's actually 'Thou shall not murder'. Killing in self-defense, or in war, is perfectly acceptable under certain conditions. It's murdering people that's not acceptable.

And yes, there is a difference between both.

This is one of the silliest of the right wing arguments. "The bible is the literal word of God, except for the parts we don't like. Those are translation errors."

Actually, he's right. This is a linguistics discussion.

Tatsuma: Killing in self-defense, or in war, is perfectly acceptable under certain conditions

So where does firing missiles into apartment complexes lie?

sweetmelissa31: This guy is not a hero. I read an interview with him recently. One of the things he did after he killed someone was to wait until people came to the dead person's aid and then shoot them too, because obviously they must be guilty. Another thing was to shoot anyone who removed the body of the dead person. He said that American civilians wouldn't understand because we're "soft." But I'd rather be soft than a mass murderer.

The ones that run are enemies. The ones that don't run are well disciplined enemies.

vpb: jbuist: edmo: I have had a few different bibles but have never seen it this way.

It's a translation error. There are different words in Hebrew for killing and the one used in the 10 commandments is closer to 'murder' in modern English than 'kill'.

And it never occurred to anyone to correct it. Right.

You really want to get into version control discussions on the Bible? On the other hand, maybe that's why we've got umpteen bajillion denominations.

sweetmelissa31: This guy is not a hero. I read an interview with him recently. One of the things he did after he killed someone was to wait until people came to the dead person's aid and then shoot them too, because obviously they must be guilty. Another thing was to shoot anyone who removed the body of the dead person.

Marcus Aurelius: I wonder how he can tell that God wants them dead from 1000 yards away.

God didn't stop the bullet. Duh!

WTF Indeed: sweetmelissa31: This guy is not a hero. I read an interview with him recently. One of the things he did after he killed someone was to wait until people came to the dead person's aid and then shoot them too, because obviously they must be guilty. Another thing was to shoot anyone who removed the body of the dead person. He said that American civilians wouldn't understand because we're "soft." But I'd rather be soft than a mass murderer.

You may hate it, but that's how it works. You use normal human impulses to help a fallen comrade to attract more targets. It's demoralizing to the enemy when they can't even bury their dead because they fear being killed. That's part of warfare.

I'd say it's much better practice than WOUNDING the first guy, then waiting for the urge to help a fallen comrade force the rest to come out. I've heard story after story of soldiers being tortured with bullets so his screams get the best of his unit.

sweetmelissa31: This guy is not a hero. I read an interview with him recently. One of the things he did after he killed someone was to wait until people came to the dead person's aid and then shoot them too, because obviously they must be guilty. Another thing was to shoot anyone who removed the body of the dead person. He said that American civilians wouldn't understand because we're "soft." But I'd rather be soft than a mass murderer.

Do you have a linky to this? My Google-fu is weak today.

WTF Indeed: sweetmelissa31: This guy is not a hero. I read an interview with him recently. One of the things he did after he killed someone was to wait until people came to the dead person's aid and then shoot them too, because obviously they must be guilty. Another thing was to shoot anyone who removed the body of the dead person. He said that American civilians wouldn't understand because we're "soft." But I'd rather be soft than a mass murderer.

You may hate it, but that's how it works. You use normal human impulses to help a fallen comrade to attract more targets. It's demoralizing to the enemy when they can't even bury their dead because they fear being killed. That's part of warfare.

And when you can classify 'somebody who wants to get that dead body off their front doorstep' as 'the enemy' it becomes much easier to justify crap like this.

WTF Indeed: You may hate it, but that's how it works.

This is not an excuse for anything. Everything "works" a certain way until we decide it shouldn't.