It's like a really monotonous Rube Goldberg machine.

It was just a matter of time, then, before the poor thing overheated and burst into flames.

I love the fact that a quarter million dollar car is apparently engineered to poorer quality and safety standards than a $15,000 Jetta. Further proof that having the money to buy this sort of stupidity implies exactly nothing about your intellectual capabilities.

It's called a hand operated siphon pump, great for emptying fuel tanks quickly and efficiently in a pinch.

I use those when I need to drop a fuel tank so I can swap out the pump.

'tis nifty.

Bam died? Clicks link. Leaving disappointed.

quellic: It's called a hand operated siphon pump, great for emptying fuel tanks quickly and efficiently in a pinch.

I use those when I need to drop a fuel tank so I can swap out the pump.

'tis nifty.

buck1138: Bam died? Clicks link. Leaving disappointed.

Sensible and senseless are antonyms.

The 'too much' gas is just a cover story. They had it up off the rear wheels, running in reverse, to roll back all the miles they put on it tooling around town the night before.

Let Hammond drive it?

Splinshints: It was just a matter of time, then, before the poor thing overheated and burst into flames.

I love the fact that a quarter million dollar car is apparently engineered to poorer quality and safety standards than a $15,000 Jetta. Further proof that having the money to buy this sort of stupidity implies exactly nothing about your intellectual capabilities.

Go redline your jetta for an hour and get back to us...moron.

Probably could redline it all day on a racetrack, but no air flow is a no go.
/wtf? Jetta? Emo Civic.

Giltric: Go redline your jetta for an hour and get back to us...moron.

Are you mad because I pointed out that your brain is roughly the size of a dried turnip in that other thread? If so, coming into another thread and further proving that point probably isn't the way to go.

/ also, I don't have a Jetta

The stupid, it burns!

wingnut396: The 'too much' gas is just a cover story. They had it up off the rear wheels, running in reverse, to roll back all the miles they put on it tooling around town the night before.

I'll take the heat. I can handle it.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that this won't be covered by the warranty.

Splinshints: Giltric: Go redline your jetta for an hour and get back to us...moron.

Are you mad because I pointed out that your brain is roughly the size of a dried turnip in that other thread? If so, coming into another thread and further proving that point probably isn't the way to go.

/ also, I don't have a Jetta

Why would I be mad at your lack of knowledge of a subject like in this thread?

You try to act like you know what you are talking about, but it turns out you don't even own a Jetta......

and you're trying to call me stupid?


When your mom yelled at you did you often hit yourself in the head and throw yourself to the ground trying to hurt yourself?

bonefish: Probably could redline it all day on a racetrack, but no air flow is a no go.
/wtf? Jetta? Emo Civic.

EXACTLY

Splinshints: It was just a matter of time, then, before the poor thing overheated and burst into flames.

I love the fact that a quarter million dollar car is apparently engineered to poorer quality and safety standards than a $15,000 Jetta. Further proof that having the money to buy this sort of stupidity implies exactly nothing about your intellectual capabilities.

Agreed. Why pay $250k when for $15k you can have all the unreliability of a Lambo in a VW?

RickyWilliams'sBong: Agreed. Why pay $250k when for $15k you can have all the unreliability of a Lambo in a VW?

it's less fun to redline a 15k car until it catches fire that's why

It died SENSELESSLY.

Splinshints: It was just a matter of time, then, before the poor thing overheated and burst into flames.

I love the fact that a quarter million dollar car is apparently engineered to poorer quality and safety standards than a $15,000 Jetta. Further proof that having the money to buy this sort of stupidity implies exactly nothing about your intellectual capabilities.

You should really think before posting. What everyone else is reading is:

"Hi, I'm Splinshints and I don't know a damn thing about cars, but I'm angry that I can't afford a Lamborghini so I'm going to act like a moron".

RickyWilliams'sBong: Agreed. Why pay $250k when for $15k you can have all the unreliability of a Lambo in a VW?

Nothing like test driving a new Passat with 6 miles on the clock and having it fail due to an electrical fire before I can get it off the lot. Icing on the cake, the dealer had assured me that VW's legendary electrical problems had been resolved years ago.

Der Poopflinger: it's less fun to redline a 15k car until it catches fire that's why

I'd take that bet. It's a lot more fun to beat the shiat out of a cheap beater car than to always be worried something's going to happen to your precious exotic.

Unless you have so much money a Gallardo is a cheap beater car, anyway.

bemis23: Hi, I'm Splinshints and I don't know a damn thing about cars, but I'm angry that I can't afford a Lamborghini so I'm going to act like a moron".

If you're so smart and I'm so dumb then you shouldn't have any trouble enlightening me o' genius of the shadetree. Explain to me the series of events that leads to a modern car full of comptuers and sensors catching fire because the throttle is held open too long that doesn't involve a significant engineering oversight or manufacturing defect.

Because I guaran-farking-tee you that you could sit with your foot planted on the pedal with the vast majority of common consumer cars until 3/4 of a tank of gas is burned off without it bursting into flames.

Some of them may break, some of them may overheat. Very few, if any, will catch fire.

But, like I said. I'm too dumb to know why spending a quarter million dollars on such a poorly engineered death trap is a smart thing to do.

/ in before retardation about "dith ith an exthotic tho it hath different tolernatheth and tehy can't plan for thith thort of thing it just goath with the terrortary"

Giltric: and you're trying to call me stupid?

Sorry, I didn't mean to leave any doubt about that. So let me clarify: no, I wasn't just trying.

Splinshints: Der Poopflinger: it's less fun to redline a 15k car until it catches fire that's why

I'd take that bet. It's a lot more fun to beat the shiat out of a cheap beater car than to always be worried something's going to happen to your precious exotic.

Unless you have so much money a Gallardo is a cheap beater car, anyway.

bemis23: Hi, I'm Splinshints and I don't know a damn thing about cars, but I'm angry that I can't afford a Lamborghini so I'm going to act like a moron".

If you're so smart and I'm so dumb then you shouldn't have any trouble enlightening me o' genius of the shadetree. Explain to me the series of events that leads to a modern car full of comptuers and sensors catching fire because the throttle is held open too long that doesn't involve a significant engineering oversight or manufacturing defect.

Because I guaran-farking-tee you that you could sit with your foot planted on the pedal with the vast majority of common consumer cars until 3/4 of a tank of gas is burned off without it bursting into flames.

Some of them may break, some of them may overheat. Very few, if any, will catch fire.

But, like I said. I'm too dumb to know why spending a quarter million dollars on such a poorly engineered death trap is a smart thing to do.

/ in before retardation about "dith ith an exthotic tho it hath different tolernatheth and tehy can't plan for thith thort of thing it just goath with the terrortary"

Giltric: and you're trying to call me stupid?

Sorry, I didn't mean to leave any doubt about that. So let me clarify: no, I wasn't just trying.

yeah...u mad.

bonefish: Probably could redline it all day on a racetrack, but no air flow is a no go..

Lamborghinis are GT cars, not suitable for track time, really. Get a Ferrari, instead.

Splinshints:
Because I guaran-farking-tee you that you could sit with your foot planted on the pedal with the vast majority of common consumer cars until 3/4 of a tank of gas is burned off without it bursting into flames.

Go ahead perform this experiment with your car and record the experiment on video for us. We'll be waiting for the results.

/u mad bro?

Wasn't there a Ferrari that would catch fire on a hot day because the glue they used on the rear body work would simply burst into flames?

bemis23: Go ahead perform this experiment with your car and record the experiment on video for us. We'll be waiting for the results.

Silly platitudes. You so confidently assert that I know nothing about cars so I clearly offer you the opportunity to easily and thoroughly destroy me with your knowledge and all you have is platitudes.

Good day, sir.

knightofargh: RickyWilliams'sBong: Agreed. Why pay $250k when for $15k you can have all the unreliability of a Lambo in a VW?

Nothing like test driving a new Passat with 6 miles on the clock and having it fail due to an electrical fire before I can get it off the lot. Icing on the cake, the dealer had assured me that VW's legendary electrical problems had been resolved years ago.

What I love about it are the kinds of hilarious electrical problems you get with them though. All cars can have electrical problems (personal experience: bad window motors and ACs that always die at 80k in Civics, shiatty sensors in Daimler-era Jeeps, etc). I usually consider it a "shiat happens" thing when it happens to my car, and it's always a cheap fix.

But VWs are the only ones I've heard of where the engine shuts off when you honk the horn or where the sunroof opens up and closes all on its own at random or where you need some kind of cheat code combination of actions to get the trunks to lock.

All-time favorite: My friend's mother has a Golf, and whenever you push the clutch in, the radio turns off.

Callous: Look we all know you are trying desperately to save face. But you're just making it worse with every new post.

So you'd like to take a shot?

Be my guest. I'm all ears. Explain to silly, ignorant me how a brand new, modern car full of sensors, bouncing off a rev limiter while sitting still through 3/4 of a tank of gas bursts into flames without an engineering oversight or manufacturing defect.

Splinshints: Callous: Look we all know you are trying desperately to save face. But you're just making it worse with every new post.

So you'd like to take a shot?

Be my guest. I'm all ears. Explain to silly, ignorant me how a brand new, modern car full of sensors, bouncing off a rev limiter while sitting still through 3/4 of a tank of gas bursts into flames without an engineering oversight or manufacturing defect.

heat dissipation. there is none.

Splinshints: Callous: Look we all know you are trying desperately to save face. But you're just making it worse with every new post.

So you'd like to take a shot?

Be my guest. I'm all ears. Explain to silly, ignorant me how a brand new, modern car full of sensors, bouncing off a rev limiter while sitting still through 3/4 of a tank of gas bursts into flames without an engineering oversight or manufacturing defect.

Not that I want to get in on your pissing contest but I suspect that many cars would catch fire if you red lined them at a stop for hours. While there many sensors on the engine there are not to my knowledge temperature sensors on the exhaust system. With no air flow under the car and the engine at red line I suspect the exhaust would start to glow after a while. Next comes fire.

pdee: Not that I want to get in on your pissing contest but I suspect that many cars would catch fire if you red lined them at a stop for hours. While there many sensors on the engine there are not to my knowledge temperature sensors on the exhaust system. With no air flow under the car and the engine at red line I suspect the exhaust would start to glow after a while. Next comes fire.

A good line of thinking, but not one that's going to apply to most cars under these circumstances. Although I wouldn't recommend doing it for other obvious reasons, I would not feel unsafe sitting in most modern consumer vehicles and planting my foot on the floor through 3/4 of a tank of gas.

Whether my "pissing match" opponents want to admit it or not, supercars are engineered to go really fast and, usually, not do much else. As such, stupid things like this happen thanks to lax engineering in other areas and they've been happening for decades.

Ask any of the 458 owners who watched their cars burn to ash in the last few years because Ferrari glued their wheel arches together.

People who buy most supercars know damn well they're spending a lot of money on, aside from the performance aspect, what is essentially under-engineered but really fast crap.

Splinshints: It was just a matter of time, then, before the poor thing overheated and burst into flames.

I love the fact that a quarter million dollar car is apparently engineered to poorer quality and safety standards than a $15,000 Jetta. Further proof that having the money to buy this sort of stupidity implies exactly nothing about your intellectual capabilities.



You're a chick, right? Cause you own a Jetta.

UNC_Samurai: Let Hammond drive it?

You glorious bastard.

Splinshints: pdee: Not that I want to get in on your pissing contest but I suspect that many cars would catch fire if you red lined them at a stop for hours. While there many sensors on the engine there are not to my knowledge temperature sensors on the exhaust system. With no air flow under the car and the engine at red line I suspect the exhaust would start to glow after a while. Next comes fire.

A good line of thinking, but not one that's going to apply to most cars under these circumstances. Although I wouldn't recommend doing it for other obvious reasons, I would not feel unsafe sitting in most modern consumer vehicles and planting my foot on the floor through 3/4 of a tank of gas.



Exhaust gas temp ranges of 1250F to 1800F are common. At red line with the tremendous flow of exhaust gas you will cook the exhaust system really bad. With out the airflow under the car from having the car move where is that heat going to go?

Also there are many sensors on modern cars but I know of none that will shut down the engine no matter what the condition. Only a couple of years ago there was a tragedy locally where some pulled into their attached garage in a condo building and left their car idling. They died from CO poisoning and so did several of their neighbors. IIRC the car ran until the building caught fire from the heat. No heat sensor shut it down.

I expect that super car are not designed to be anywhere near as idiot proof as your average car but I stlil believe no car could put up with kind of abuse.

Splinshints: airflow is critical in all cars to reduce heat. If you're just sitting there, making as much heat as possible, you're going to make a fire. The only other possibility is that you'll have a massive internal failure -- bearings on the crank probably, cracked piston maybe, burnt valves -- that forces a shutdown before the fire.

You are wrong. All engines, supercar or no, are tremendously hot. If you're not cooling that down you will make a fire.

Scrotastic Method: Splinshints: airflow is critical in all cars to reduce heat. If you're just sitting there, making as much heat as possible, you're going to make a fire. The only other possibility is that you'll have a massive internal failure -- bearings on the crank probably, cracked piston maybe, burnt valves -- that forces a shutdown before the fire.

You are wrong. All engines, supercar or no, are tremendously hot. If you're not cooling that down you will make a fire.

and heres a visual to go along with that.

Link (new window) F1 engine or not, that will happen on every motor in every car, with out proper airflow over it.

RickyWilliams'sBong: knightofargh: RickyWilliams'sBong: Agreed. Why pay $250k when for $15k you can have all the unreliability of a Lambo in a VW?

Nothing like test driving a new Passat with 6 miles on the clock and having it fail due to an electrical fire before I can get it off the lot. Icing on the cake, the dealer had assured me that VW's legendary electrical problems had been resolved years ago.

What I love about it are the kinds of hilarious electrical problems you get with them though. All cars can have electrical problems (personal experience: bad window motors and ACs that always die at 80k in Civics, shiatty sensors in Daimler-era Jeeps, etc). I usually consider it a "shiat happens" thing when it happens to my car, and it's always a cheap fix.

But VWs are the only ones I've heard of where the engine shuts off when you honk the horn or where the sunroof opens up and closes all on its own at random or where you need some kind of cheat code combination of actions to get the trunks to lock.

All-time favorite: My friend's mother has a Golf, and whenever you push the clutch in, the radio turns off.

Sensors cooking, motors dying. It's all part of car ownership.

This 2012 Passat's damn fusebox caught fire. After I got the fire out the salesman looked right at me and said, "I'm not recovering this sale am I?"

knightofargh: Sensors cooking, motors dying. It's all part of car ownership.

This 2012 Passat's damn fusebox caught fire. After I got the fire out the salesman looked right at me and said, "I'm not recovering this sale am I?"

There ya go. The burning/melting fusebox seems to be another frighteningly common issue with VWs. I've never heard of that happening on other cars with any great frequency. I don't know if it's bad programming sending too much energy to the components, or if Europeans just don't understand air flow (because it's not just VW, although VW is the biggest offender), or what the deal is. I've thought for some time air flow has to have something to do with it.

Example: Around 2000 or 2001 during Daimler's horrible reign as parent to Chrysler/Dodge/Jeep, they redesigned the intake manifold on all the Jeeps with AMC 4.0s (which was pretty much, you know, all Jeeps). For years they couldn't figure out why, after driving around for a bit and then restarting (as when you're running errands), the trucks would sometimes get a misfire on Cylinder 3. Turns out the intake manifold was designed too close to the #3 fuel injector, so when you shut it down after driving around for a while, the heat would move over to the injector and basically boil the gasoline, causing the misfire when you tried to fire it back up. It happens especially when the weather gets hot (something that, of course, could never happen in Florida). It's a $5 fix fortunately.

Granted, not certain it was because of Daimler, but I have my suspicions based on what they did to other models as the Merger of Equals™ bed-shiatting went on.