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2012-01-27 08:37:41 AM
Yeah, that's why FOX & Friends slams Obama every single day for some reason or another.
 
2012-01-27 08:39:01 AM
I just can't click on another Townhall link.
 
2012-01-27 09:06:57 AM
Believe me, I could go on.

OKAY I BELIEVE YOU
 
2012-01-27 09:36:12 AM
They had three days, and this is the best they could come up with?

Really?
 
2012-01-27 10:15:46 AM
Yes, if there's one thing I think defines Obama's presidency to date, its a complete absence of criticism.
 
2012-01-27 10:22:02 AM
It is indeed amazing that in a three years I've not heard a single derogatory comment about him or complaints whatsoever about his agenda.
 
2012-01-27 10:26:38 AM

Marcus Aurelius: They had three days, and this is the best they could come up with?

Really?


It was a good speech. It slid ground long talked about by the Right and made it his own issues--which now, in accordance to the new doctrine that "If'n heesa fer it, I'm ag'in it!" they have to oppose any piece of it. Even if that includes things that only a week ago they claimed they were for. If he proposes it, then it's bad.

It's emblematic of a deep problem within the party. For too long we've allowed ideology and PR hucksters to run things. Rove's great victory has gutted the party of integrity and this is the result. Folks who look at message before content. Who are all about appearances as opposed to policy. So long as your opponent is demonized, and wrong on the issues, then you have to be the opposite, because you oppose them, right?

This is a deep problem, because it doesn't actually address real policy decisions, but rather appearances and facile argumentation to manipulate issues in a disingenuous fashion. The rantings on TownHall are a symptom of the greater problem. It is manipulating the gullible with visions of DOOOOOOOM! because they are ready to ally themselves with a side, over examination of the issues. And that Rove and his ilk have massaged this tendency to tribe up and play politics like a sport, instead of issues that have impact over folk's lives is a problem.

This President put issues on the table. Issues that used to be Republican issues, and now the crowd that treats politics like a team sport are fuxxed. They have to oppose it because he proposed it. Even if it's stuff that they supported in the past because the Democrats were against it--for some of the same game playing reasons.

The Crazy Train is useful for message to the troops, but it sucks for the process because it prevents real issues from being discussed.
 
2012-01-27 10:29:27 AM
If FOX News Channel is supposedly ahead of everybody in ratings, does that make them the "Mainstream Media"?
 
2012-01-27 10:39:01 AM

Jake Havechek: If FOX News Channel is supposedly ahead of everybody in ratings, does that make them the "Mainstream Media"?


No. They are the popular Mavericks.
 
2012-01-27 11:04:32 AM
Another TownHall link guys, really?
 
2012-01-27 11:07:07 AM
Oh man, the right just can't find a good argument against why the speech is bad. The last three days have been them just flailing aimlessly trying to see what will stick.
 
2012-01-27 11:07:24 AM
Are we due for just a week or so of amped-up "OH MY GOD HE MADE US LOOK LIKE ASSHOLES, MOVE EVERY ZIG!"

It's just lies, projection, and idiocy. Transparently and blatantly. There is no sense at all in responding topically to this shiat.
 
2012-01-27 11:07:36 AM
Do one about spilled milk next!
 
2012-01-27 11:07:44 AM
Republicans are so cute when they try to use logic. It's like watching a kitten play with a pencil.

A homophobic, xenophobic, bigoted racist kitten.
 
2012-01-27 11:08:02 AM
Well, not really. But it helps that the most vocal and shrill critiques are about as worthwhile and solid as diarrhea.
 
2012-01-27 11:08:18 AM
Only an echo chamber as dense and impenetrable as the right wing blogosphere would take any particular issue to anything said in the SOTU
 
2012-01-27 11:08:33 AM
Without having seen the speech, a headline like that tells me that he delivered a good.
 
2012-01-27 11:08:50 AM

gilgigamesh: Yes, if there's one thing I think defines Obama's presidency to date, its a complete absence of criticism.


th36.photobucket.com
 
2012-01-27 11:10:12 AM
Freeper Friday!
 
2012-01-27 11:11:40 AM
I'd like to know who is reading and submitting these articles in the first place, and why? Are they being ironic or serious? Town Hall is a beacon for the brain dead.
 
2012-01-27 11:14:33 AM

hubiestubert: This is a deep problem, because it doesn't actually address real policy decisions, but rather appearances and facile argumentation to manipulate issues in a disingenuous fashion. The rantings on TownHall are a symptom of the greater problem. It is manipulating the gullible with visions of DOOOOOOOM! because they are ready to ally themselves with a side, over examination of the issues. And that Rove and his ilk have massaged this tendency to tribe up and play politics like a sport, instead of issues that have impact over folk's lives is a problem.

This President put issues on the table. Issues that used to be Republican issues, and now the crowd that treats politics like a team sport are fuxxed. They have to oppose it because he proposed it. Even if it's stuff that they supported in the past because the Democrats were against it--for some of the same game playing reasons.


I'm floored as to why President Obama hasn't come out and said breathing air is good, drinking water is good, and eating food is good. You just know they would immediately start speaking out against people doing those things and hinting that their team members should avoid those activities.
 
2012-01-27 11:15:11 AM

hubiestubert: Marcus Aurelius: They had three days, and this is the best they could come up with?

Really?

It was a good speech. It slid ground long talked about by the Right and made it his own issues--which now, in accordance to the new doctrine that "If'n heesa fer it, I'm ag'in it!" they have to oppose any piece of it. Even if that includes things that only a week ago they claimed they were for. If he proposes it, then it's bad.

It's emblematic of a deep problem within the party. For too long we've allowed ideology and PR hucksters to run things. Rove's great victory has gutted the party of integrity and this is the result. Folks who look at message before content. Who are all about appearances as opposed to policy. So long as your opponent is demonized, and wrong on the issues, then you have to be the opposite, because you oppose them, right?

This is a deep problem, because it doesn't actually address real policy decisions, but rather appearances and facile argumentation to manipulate issues in a disingenuous fashion. The rantings on TownHall are a symptom of the greater problem. It is manipulating the gullible with visions of DOOOOOOOM! because they are ready to ally themselves with a side, over examination of the issues. And that Rove and his ilk have massaged this tendency to tribe up and play politics like a sport, instead of issues that have impact over folk's lives is a problem.

This President put issues on the table. Issues that used to be Republican issues, and now the crowd that treats politics like a team sport are fuxxed. They have to oppose it because he proposed it. Even if it's stuff that they supported in the past because the Democrats were against it--for some of the same game playing reasons.

The Crazy Train is useful for message to the troops, but it sucks for the process because it prevents real issues from being discussed.


A lot of people on the left are upset about Obama being too centrist. I think it's part of his long-run strategy. After all, if your enemy insists on backing away from you at all costs, when their backs are to a cliff the most strategic thing to do is walk slowly toward them...
 
2012-01-27 11:15:23 AM
long shielded from criticism

This is what floor-humpers actually believe.
 
2012-01-27 11:16:13 AM

gilgigamesh: Yes, if there's one thing I think defines Obama's presidency to date, its a complete absence of criticism.


I dunno, I might not count birtherism and gun-nuttery as criticism, because it's completely unfounded in reality. So in that sense the writer is correct, there hasn't been any real criticism of the Obama Administration, only of what the derpers believe the Obama Administration to be.
 
2012-01-27 11:18:09 AM

Superjew: Republicans are so cute when they try to use logic. It's like watching a kitten play with a pencil.

A homophobic, xenophobic, bigoted racist kitten.


That's possibly the funniest thing I've read all week.
 
2012-01-27 11:18:10 AM
I remember after the mid-term elections how everybody was like, 'gosh, look how awesome Obama is' or something like that.
 
2012-01-27 11:18:15 AM
1. Throwing a temper tantrum and disrespecting the nice white lady in Arizona.
2. Travelling in a CAR.
3. Worst State of the Union ever.

I'm beginning to think that Americans are waking up to their ONE BIG ASS MISTAKE AMERICA!
 
2012-01-27 11:19:46 AM
"The Heritage Foundation tells us"

...and that would be where I stop taking anything you have to say seriously.

I don't cite moveon.org when trying to be taken seriously in my arguments and you shouldn't cite Heritage, or Fox News or any other of the myriad of orgs set up strictly as shills.
 
2012-01-27 11:20:00 AM

Arkanaut: there hasn't been any real criticism of the Obama Administration from the right, meanwhile the left has railed on him for everything from health care to national security

 
2012-01-27 11:20:20 AM
Oh man, the right just can't find a good argument against why the speech is bad. The last three days have been them just flailing aimlessly trying to see what will stick.

During the speech the other night (didn't watch it, family function with the in-laws who think Limbaugh is a little bit too liberal), an old friend tweeted that Obama was just "trying to save his job". Old friend is a district director for a GOP Rep, so you might understand where he is coming from.

On the surface, it is just a stupid talking point full of empty rhetoric. It's an election year, of course the guy is trying to save his job. If he wasn't, he wouldn't be running. More importantly, the GOP has been so damn transparent about their primary goal of "Obama can't have a 2nd term" while the rest of the country shiats bed that I really don't blame Obama for trying to save his job.
 
2012-01-27 11:20:40 AM
i775.photobucket.com
 
2012-01-27 11:21:52 AM
Thank you Subby. You can't imagine how many times over the last few days I've thought to myself, "Gee, I wonder what Rush Limbaugh's brother thought of the SOTU speech.".
 
2012-01-27 11:22:29 AM
Well, when the only criticism that rises out of the santorum of Republican discourse is socialism, secret muslim, arguala, and "Whar long form! Whar?", what did you expect?
 
2012-01-27 11:22:52 AM
Another pile of unsupported, bare assertions from ClownHall?
I'm f**king shocked, ladies and gentlemen.
 
2012-01-27 11:22:52 AM

Arkanaut: gilgigamesh: Yes, if there's one thing I think defines Obama's presidency to date, its a complete absence of criticism.

I dunno, I might not count birtherism and gun-nuttery as criticism, because it's completely unfounded in reality. So in that sense the writer is correct, there hasn't been any real criticism of the Obama Administration, only of what the derpers believe the Obama Administration to be.


All the substantive policy criticism has come from the left.

While we were wishing that Obamacare had single payer, the right was freaking out that a secret Kenyan muslin was going to smother granny with aborted fetuses.
 
2012-01-27 11:24:27 AM
Transparent greenlight to start a long troll-filled discussion is transparent...
 
2012-01-27 11:24:55 AM

Arkanaut: here hasn't been any real criticism of the Obama Administration, only of what the derpers believe the Obama Administration to be.


No, there HAS been real criticism of Obama, and from both sides. At each turn, like the debt ceiling, many GOP members claimed a lack of "real" leadership on Obama's part (and it's true that he hardly ever meets with them). On the other hand, many progressives are criticizing Obama for not overturning the Patriot Act, extending the Bush tax cuts, not going far enough with healthcare, etc.

So, maybe what you're saying is that the legitimate criticism tends to come from the left, because it's about policy, whereas from the right it tends to be about his country of birth and whether or not he uses binder clips.
 
2012-01-27 11:24:59 AM

MadMonk: I'd like to know who is reading and submitting these articles in the first place, and why? Are they being ironic or serious? Town Hall is a beacon for the brain dead.


They're probably just greenlight whoring
 
2012-01-27 11:25:34 AM

hubiestubert: Marcus Aurelius: They had three days, and this is the best they could come up with?

Really?

It was a good speech. It slid ground long talked about by the Right and made it his own issues--which now, in accordance to the new doctrine that "If'n heesa fer it, I'm ag'in it!" they have to oppose any piece of it. Even if that includes things that only a week ago they claimed they were for. If he proposes it, then it's bad.

It's emblematic of a deep problem within the party. For too long we've allowed ideology and PR hucksters to run things. Rove's great victory has gutted the party of integrity and this is the result. Folks who look at message before content. Who are all about appearances as opposed to policy. So long as your opponent is demonized, and wrong on the issues, then you have to be the opposite, because you oppose them, right?

This is a deep problem, because it doesn't actually address real policy decisions, but rather appearances and facile argumentation to manipulate issues in a disingenuous fashion. The rantings on TownHall are a symptom of the greater problem. It is manipulating the gullible with visions of DOOOOOOOM! because they are ready to ally themselves with a side, over examination of the issues. And that Rove and his ilk have massaged this tendency to tribe up and play politics like a sport, instead of issues that have impact over folk's lives is a problem.

This President put issues on the table. Issues that used to be Republican issues, and now the crowd that treats politics like a team sport are fuxxed. They have to oppose it because he proposed it. Even if it's stuff that they supported in the past because the Democrats were against it--for some of the same game playing reasons.

The Crazy Train is useful for message to the troops, but it sucks for the process because it prevents real issues from being discussed.


I find reading your post a bit strange, if only because you characterize the GOP as "the party of integrity." I became politically aware during Clinton's period in office while I was in high school. I vaguely remember the first George Bush, and feeling that he got a bit of a raw deal in regards to taxes. Under Clinton, it seemed to me that the GOP went apeshiat. Again, I was in high-school and college, so I wasn't paying all that much attention at the time, and there were things that Clinton did that I felt very uncomfortable about... in particular, the action we took in Somalia. I didn't think that excused the weirdly obsessive articles blaming an elaborate conspiracy on the Clintons for murdering Vince Foster, or weird conspiracies about FEMA re-education camps, the rising "holier-than-thou" attitudes that seemed (to me) to be driving the impeachment proceedings from President Clinton's ugly affair. In particular, I thought the affair was shameful, but primarily affected the President and his family. My parents had to deal with an affair that led to their divorce, I can only imagine the horrible ugliness that Hillary and Chelsea went through, amplified by a media storm and opportunistic political operatives. The government shutdown brought about by the Republican party I thought was especially bad behavior, given that there are many people either work or depend on the government. When the Republicans threatened to shut down the government again last summer, I felt nothing but loathing for them. Gingrich's ousting on ethical grounds just seemed to confirm my feelings.

Note that I could very well be wrong on some of the preceeding details; these are from my memory.

The tl;dr version: I just find your description as "party of integrity" to be a moniker that ill-fits the Republican Party as I've known in my lifetime. The Democratic Party certainly has its share of incompetence and ethical issues, but the Republican Party has focused on pretending that they don't happen while increasingly acting in bad behavior. The crazy train has been boarding for some time.
 
2012-01-27 11:25:49 AM

meat0918: Well, when the only criticism that rises out of the santorum of Republican discourse is socialism, secret muslim, arguala, and "Whar long form! Whar?", what did you expect?


You can blame that on Obama's lack of skeletons in his closet and a remarkably stable Administration that has had NO major scandals in three years.

That's a remarkable feat and it's de-fanged the GOP PR machine. Since he gives them nothing to work with, they have to rely on innuendo, gossip and third party smears based on outright lies.
 
2012-01-27 11:27:54 AM

DeltaPunch: A lot of people on the left are upset about Obama being too centrist. I think it's part of his long-run strategy. After all, if your enemy insists on backing away from you at all costs, when their backs are to a cliff the most strategic thing to do is walk slowly toward them...


Bingo. The democrats know that the GOP is running too far to the crazy right to be able to capture the independent vote, and the "America fark yeah" jingoistic platform isn't gonna win them a general election anymore. The dems can be centrist, appease big business interests, and the lefties will still vote for them because the options on the right are far too scary.

There's a quote from Bullworth that applies to the democratic party, with 'african-american' replaced with any left wing group:

Angry black woman: Are you sayin' the Democratic Party don't care about the African-American community?

Bullworth: Isn't that OBVIOUS? You got half your kids are out of work and the other half are in jail. Do you see ANY Democrat doing anything about it? Certainly not me! So what're you gonna do, vote Republican? Come on! Come on, you're not gonna vote Republican! Let's call a spade a spade!

Best case scenario would probably be a fracturing of the democratic party into a center-left party and a liberal party, and a split of the GOP into a libertarian-corporatist party and a christian right party. At least then they would have to build alliances and one half of the politicians in the country wouldn't be beholden to a small group of jesus freaks.
 
2012-01-27 11:28:02 AM

Serious Black: I'm floored as to why President Obama hasn't come out and said breathing air is good, drinking water is good, and eating food is good. You just know they would immediately start speaking out against people doing those things and hinting that their team members should avoid those activities.


Well, Mrs. Obama did come out and say eating healthy food is good, and they blasted her for it and tried to reclassify pizza as a vegetable.

When he demanded BP clean up the water in the Gulf, the Republicans apologized to BP.

And when they finally succeded in tightening air quality standards that the industry has been fighting for 30 years, Republicans blasted him for it.

So while not exactly like that breathing drinking and eating, it's pretty damn close.

//The last one pisses me off the most. If the industry had worked with past administrations and incrementally implemented the changes, they would be in the current mess they are in.
 
2012-01-27 11:28:09 AM

Superjew: Republicans are so cute when they try to use logic. It's like watching a kitten play with a pencil.

A homophobic, xenophobic, bigoted racist kitten.


That statement is insulting to kittens. Even homophobic, xenophobic, bigoted racist kittens.
 
2012-01-27 11:31:03 AM

gilgigamesh: Yes, if there's one thing I think defines Obama's presidency to date, its a complete absence of criticism.


I wish somebody would speak up. There he sits in the White House, and he doesn't even know the dissatisfaction that people have with his presidency. We really are too polite of a society.
 
2012-01-27 11:31:12 AM
David Limbaugh, brother of radio talk-show host Rush Limbaugh, is an expert in law and politics and author of new book Crimes Against Liberty, the definitive chronicle of Barack Obama's devastating term in office so far.

He also eats buses for breakfast and one time he drank thirteen kegs of beer and popped a six-foot boner and had sex with twelve naked ladies at once and he knows karate.
 
2012-01-27 11:35:00 AM
FTA: Even The Washington Post said, "Obama does not mention that Republicans forced him to accept $2 trillion in budget cuts during the debt-ceiling impasse."

When you quote the Washington Post as if its a liberal newspaper, you've gone off the deep end.
 
2012-01-27 11:35:21 AM

meat0918: Well, Mrs. Obama did come out and say eating healthy food is good, and they blasted her for it and tried to reclassify pizza as a vegetable.


This is a good thing. All the rednecks who think Mountain Dew is a fruit can get massively obese and die at age 50. We won't have to deal with them voting AND they won't live to retirement age. The obesity epidemic is gonna save Social Security.
 
2012-01-27 11:36:19 AM

gilgigamesh: Yes, if there's one thing I think defines Obama's presidency to date, its a complete absence of criticism.


Universal adulation, that's all that it's been from both sides of the aisle AND the media. Liberal, Conservative, rich or poor, NO ONE HAS ANYTHING BAD TO SAY ABOUT THE PRESIDENT.

/it's a scarecrow wholesalers convention in there.
 
2012-01-27 11:38:31 AM
Wow... Thanks, Townhall. I needed a good laugh this morning.
 
2012-01-27 11:41:31 AM

CPennypacker: Another TownHall link guys, really?


It's Freeper Friday, what do you expect?
 
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