AlwaysRightBoy: They're in my building on the 39th floor. Sucks to be them.

/just barely hanging on to my job, I'll just keep paddling

Interesting line of work you're in

AlwaysRightBoy: brigid_fitch: CareerBuilder, LinkedIn

I'm on CareerBuilder, LinkedIn and Monster but never heard of Dive. For me in my bis it's always good to have your name out there.

In the Ad bis, it seems like most of us use Linkedin for networking and keeping in touch with each other.

/will sign up with Dive

There's a reason for that.

Actually I got my current job through a job posting on Monster. Did it on a whim and never really thought anything would pan out.

/got 3-4 bullshiat calls from recruiters too
//not a great job mind you, but a solid entry level job with decent pay

Over the years monster seems to have been putting up more and more of those scammy "face to face marketing jobs" AKA door to door sales.

bump: People still use monster?... I figured it'd joined the ranks of careerbuilder et al. Even simplyhired and indeed are quite passe'...

Err, just use all of them.

I got my current job because the HR person here saw my resume on Monster and contact me directly. I also had DICE, LinkedIn, Careerbuilder, etc setup, but the Monster one got the most play.

EnviroDude: bump: People still use monster?... I figured it'd joined the ranks of careerbuilder et al. Even simplyhired and indeed are quite passe'...

for those farkers looking for work, what would you suggest?

/just curious

There is no one right answer. It's like looking for a used car. You have to search autotrader, cars.com, newspaper, craigslist, your buddy, google, randomly driving down the road...sometime you'll find it day one search one...sometimes it takes 3 months...

serial_crusher: Babwa Wawa: The applicability of that business model is shrinking. My recruiters have monster accounts, but barely use them, leveraging Linkedin instead.

I gave up on Monster years ago simply because of the irrelevance of their job listings. My 5 year old Monster resume still gets cold calls from recruiters about shiatty IT jobs in Mississippi that pay a fraction of my salary.

I've never understood that. If you have a valuable, highly demanded skillset (like a Java developer or a licensed actuary), why would you ever move to Akron or NW Arkansas or Fargo? Do these places have any redeeming qualities whatsoever?

Paktu: serial_crusher: Babwa Wawa: The applicability of that business model is shrinking. My recruiters have monster accounts, but barely use them, leveraging Linkedin instead.

I gave up on Monster years ago simply because of the irrelevance of their job listings. My 5 year old Monster resume still gets cold calls from recruiters about shiatty IT jobs in Mississippi that pay a fraction of my salary.

I've never understood that. If you have a valuable, highly demanded skillset (like a Java developer or a licensed actuary), why would you ever move to Akron or NW Arkansas or Fargo? Do these places have any redeeming qualities whatsoever?

Cost of living is much less. I'll take a fraction of my salary if that fraction still gives me a net gain in cost of living. Salary is relative.

Paktu: serial_crusher: Babwa Wawa: The applicability of that business model is shrinking. My recruiters have monster accounts, but barely use them, leveraging Linkedin instead.

I gave up on Monster years ago simply because of the irrelevance of their job listings. My 5 year old Monster resume still gets cold calls from recruiters about shiatty IT jobs in Mississippi that pay a fraction of my salary.

I've never understood that. If you have a valuable, highly demanded skillset (like a Java developer or a licensed actuary), why would you ever move to Akron or NW Arkansas or Fargo? Do these places have any redeeming qualities whatsoever?

Hey, I miss Fargo! (Yeah, I moved somewhere worse than eastern ND...western ND)

Paktu: serial_crusher: Babwa Wawa: The applicability of that business model is shrinking. My recruiters have monster accounts, but barely use them, leveraging Linkedin instead.

I gave up on Monster years ago simply because of the irrelevance of their job listings. My 5 year old Monster resume still gets cold calls from recruiters about shiatty IT jobs in Mississippi that pay a fraction of my salary.

I've never understood that. If you have a valuable, highly demanded skillset (like a Java developer or a licensed actuary), why would you ever move to Akron or NW Arkansas or Fargo? Do these places have any redeeming qualities whatsoever?

I don't know about the other two, but NWA is pretty nice, actually.

Need a job.
Use them all.

Who would have thought it figured?

regindyn: Paktu: serial_crusher: Babwa Wawa: The applicability of that business model is shrinking. My recruiters have monster accounts, but barely use them, leveraging Linkedin instead.

I gave up on Monster years ago simply because of the irrelevance of their job listings. My 5 year old Monster resume still gets cold calls from recruiters about shiatty IT jobs in Mississippi that pay a fraction of my salary.

I've never understood that. If you have a valuable, highly demanded skillset (like a Java developer or a licensed actuary), why would you ever move to Akron or NW Arkansas or Fargo? Do these places have any redeeming qualities whatsoever?

Hey, I miss Fargo! (Yeah, I moved somewhere worse than eastern ND...western ND)

Why not Minot?

Freezin's the reason.

/I'm happy with my job in Spokane
//I'd be a lot warmer and a lot happier with a belly full of mead

Why do I still read that "It's like RAAAAAIIIIIN..."?

Thanks to automation and laboring saving devices and computer programs all jobs will obsolete in a few decades. Then the rich thins the heard with virus bombs.

Monster.com: because it's 2012 and somehow you still haven't heard of Craigslist.

EnviroDude: bump: People still use monster?... I figured it'd joined the ranks of careerbuilder et al. Even simplyhired and indeed are quite passe'...

for those farkers looking for work, what would you suggest?

/just curious

I'm not looking any longer (thankfully), but I was a contractor for a long time, so a few tips, Keep in mind I'm an IT-focused BA, so YMMV

• Put your resume up on Dice, Careerbuilder, and Monster. Don't expect anyone to reach out to you; you're going to have to do the legwork and search - daily. Use Indeed and Simply Hired as well

• If you don't have a Linkedin account, get one. Customize the public profile URL so it's not just a random set of characters. Add it to your resume.

• Speaking of your resume, get someone to proofread it. You can't afford to be dismissed because your resume is hard to read - the supply of workers still outstrips the number of jobs out there

• Searching for jobs on Linkedin is usually not useful. However, the skill-set-specific groups can be *very* useful - they are often the dumping ground of recruiter spam, some of which may be useful.

• From those LinkedIn groups and other sources, reach out to recruiters. If you see a job in your area that you're not a fit for (but is related to your skillset), and there's a name there, send the recruiter a message and tell them you're not a fit for X, but you'd be a great fit to Y or Z. Link-In to them so you're in their network when they're looking to fill a role - and so their competitors can troll through their contacts and also reach out if they have a role that you fit

• Keep in mind that the mission of a recruiter is to place you in a position and get their fee/commission. They're likely going to tell you whatever they think you want to hear if they think you may be something close to a fit - after all, it doesn't really cost them anything to toss your resume over the wall. Little details like "the hiring manager is an asshat" or "they pay 20% under the going rate" never seem to get mentioned. Caveat emptor

MrEricSir: Monster.com: because it's 2012 and somehow you still haven't heard of Craigslist.

Craigslist? For real jobs? Maybe for erotic massage.

stratagos: • Put your resume up on Dice, Careerbuilder, and Monster. Don't expect anyone to reach out to you; you're going to have to do the legwork and search - daily. Use Indeed and Simply Hired as well

It's a good idea to update your resume frequently, even if it's just uploading the same resume again. Shows activity, brings it to the top, etc

Once again, it's the job creators who are being punished.

bhcompy: stratagos: • Put your resume up on Dice, Careerbuilder, and Monster. Don't expect anyone to reach out to you; you're going to have to do the legwork and search - daily. Use Indeed and Simply Hired as well

It's a good idea to update your resume frequently, even if it's just uploading the same resume again. Shows activity, brings it to the top, etc

This. If your resume hasn't been updated in six months, the assumption is that you've been looking for six months, and there's a reason you haven't found anything. Plus the search results are often sorted both by matching criteria and activity

I rarely update my resume on LinkedIn and get several recruiter messages per week... and I'm not looking.

Some of the job listings are good. Some are "move thousands of miles away for a undesirable job at a fraction of your pay."

There are two ways to get contacted by recruiters. The "In-Message" (or whatever it is called) is purchased and used. Those tend to have better leads and come from reputable recruiters - like the ones that work internally for the company trying to fill the job. A savvy candidate might even negotiate a signing bonus in the absence of an external recruiters finder's fee.

The connection requests from people you don't know are usually cheap/crappy recruiters pushing cheap/crappy jobs. These are the people working at home and are scouring job listings in hopes of making a buck. They don't understand the buzzwords or requirements and are simply sticking the listing in every warm place they can find. If they were legitimate, they would be buying In-Messages instead of spamming you with connection requests describing a job.

If one of those spam messages somehow has a job that isn't junk, just search the internet for the listing verbatim and go directly with the employer.

Last one I searched out was spammed to a message board. I dug up the original listing and posted it in the same thread. I also noted that it has been posted for over 12 months and is located geographically far away from the message board's demographic.

serpent_sky: It also seems like there are very few legitimate jobs on Monster or HotJobs... that could have something to do with it. That, and I was always getting spam when I had my resumes on there.

This. I got the job at the company I'm still at in 2002 through Monster.com. My wife posted her resume up about 2008 and the next morning she had 30+ messages, all various spam and scams and "marketing opportunities". I'm surprised it's still around at all.

majestic: Paktu: serial_crusher: Babwa Wawa: The applicability of that business model is shrinking. My recruiters have monster accounts, but barely use them, leveraging Linkedin instead.

I gave up on Monster years ago simply because of the irrelevance of their job listings. My 5 year old Monster resume still gets cold calls from recruiters about shiatty IT jobs in Mississippi that pay a fraction of my salary.

I've never understood that. If you have a valuable, highly demanded skillset (like a Java developer or a licensed actuary), why would you ever move to Akron or NW Arkansas or Fargo? Do these places have any redeeming qualities whatsoever?

I don't know about the other two, but NWA is pretty nice, actually.


Akron is like the podunk redneck version of Cleveland. Think about that for a second.