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2012-01-26 12:37:29 PM
My only issue is the isn't the fact that they want the thing rerouted, its that they are purposely pushing it back past the election because they don't want it to affect politics. F**k that.
 
2012-01-26 12:57:39 PM
No sh*t. That's because the media isn't liberal.
 
2012-01-26 01:39:50 PM
The media are subdivisions of giant multi-national for-profit corporations. The idea that they would skew left is ludicrous. Sure, leftists exist in the mainstream MSM media, but the industry is reliably right-wing on the whole.
 
2012-01-26 01:41:29 PM
So, is this the part where we summarily dismiss TFA because it's Media Matters?
 
2012-01-26 02:12:52 PM
Lionel Mandrake: The media are subdivisions of giant multi-national for-profit corporations. The idea that they would skew left is ludicrous. Sure, leftists exist in the mainstream MSM media, but the industry is reliably right-wing on the whole.

You're telling me that GE, NBC's former parent company, isn't the liberalst bunch of libs just because they make nuclear reactors for the Navy and 30mm cannons for the Air Force?

I think you smoked some bad granola, Wavy Gravy.
 
2012-01-26 02:29:20 PM
Color me shocked. Everyone kept reciting TransCanada's press release of it creating 200,000 jobs and how it would ensure "energy independence" without any scrutiny of the fact that these two facts are nothing but bullshiat.

Liberal media my ass.
 
2012-01-26 02:30:30 PM
Norv Turner: My only issue is the isn't the fact that they want the thing rerouted, its that they are purposely pushing it back past the election because they don't want it to affect politics. F**k that.

We need to get Dean Spanos in charge of the energy lobbying industry. Then they can hire you and big oil will lose half of their battles on Capitol Hill year after year.
 
2012-01-26 02:31:00 PM
tnpir: So, is this the part where we summarily dismiss TFA because it's Media Matters?

Not just Media Matters - SOROS-OWNED Media Matters.
 
2012-01-26 02:31:37 PM
Well, if you can't trust the oil industry, who can you trust?
 
2012-01-26 02:33:53 PM
Mrtraveler01: Everyone kept reciting TransCanada's press release of it creating 200,000 jobs and how it would ensure "energy independence" without any scrutiny of the fact that these two facts are nothing but bullshiat.

the washington post said 6000 temp, maybe 1000 permanent jobs. at least the reporters for that paper did on an NPR discussion of it, so there's at least some facts
 
2012-01-26 02:35:27 PM
Mrtraveler01: Color me shocked. Everyone kept reciting TransCanada's press release of it creating 200,000 jobs and how it would ensure "energy independence" without any scrutiny of the fact that these two facts are nothing but bullshiat.

Liberal media my ass.


20,000 or 200,000 jobs? Uh, not even close.

"...the Cornell University Global Labor Institute finding that the pipeline would add only 500 to 1,400 temporary construction jobs. The authors of the September report also said that much of the new employment stemming from Keystone would be outside the U.S.

Transcanada itself cast doubt on its employment forecast when a vice president for the company told CNN last fall that the 20,000 jobs Keystone would create were temporary and that the project would likely yield only "hundreds" of permanent positions."

Linky (pops)
 
2012-01-26 02:36:37 PM
I'm also surprised the Cornell study which cited that this pipeline would divert tar sand oil which already goes to refineries in the Midwest to refineries in Texas and therefore would raise gas prices 10 to 15 cents a gallon, wasn't cited too much in the news coverage.

Because everytime I bring that up, no one ever seems to believe me.
 
2012-01-26 02:38:57 PM
The Onanist: Mrtraveler01: Color me shocked. Everyone kept reciting TransCanada's press release of it creating 200,000 jobs and how it would ensure "energy independence" without any scrutiny of the fact that these two facts are nothing but bullshiat.

Liberal media my ass.

20,000 or 200,000 jobs? Uh, not even close.

"...the Cornell University Global Labor Institute finding that the pipeline would add only 500 to 1,400 temporary construction jobs. The authors of the September report also said that much of the new employment stemming from Keystone would be outside the U.S.

Transcanada itself cast doubt on its employment forecast when a vice president for the company told CNN last fall that the 20,000 jobs Keystone would create were temporary and that the project would likely yield only "hundreds" of permanent positions."

Linky (pops)


TransCanada mentioned that in a press release:

Within days of receiving regulatory approval, Keystone XL would create 20,000 construction and manufacturing jobs in the U.S during the construction phase. This includes welders, pipefitters, heavy equipment operators, engineers and many other trades. Investing billions in the economy would also lead to the creation of 118,000 spin-off jobs as local businesses benefit from workers staying in hotels, eating in restaurants and TransCanada buying equipment and supplies.

So they got their numbers the same place Paul Ryan got his numbers...from their ass.
 
2012-01-26 02:40:16 PM
Oops, sorry. Here's the link to that press release:

Link
 
2012-01-26 02:42:57 PM
The New York Times ombudsman asks, "Was that wrong? Should we not do that?"
 
2012-01-26 02:43:54 PM
Mrtraveler01: Because everytime I bring that up, no one ever seems to believe me.

It's a liberal media conspiracy
 
2012-01-26 02:44:55 PM
Jackson Herring: Mrtraveler01: Because everytime I bring that up, no one ever seems to believe me.

It's a liberal media conspiracy


Damn liebrul MSM mainstream media.
 
2012-01-26 02:47:39 PM
I used to say I missed having cable for news and sports. For a while now, I've just missed sports.
 
2012-01-26 02:47:41 PM
gailtheactuary.files.wordpress.com

Crude oil pipelines.

Dashed green is Keystone XL (extension line).

Remember this when you hear "but China will get all the oil". As you can see, Kinder Morgan already has a pipeline to Vancouver and there are existing pipelines to the Gulf - the place where Keystone XL wants to go.

Enbridge also announced two new pipelines from Illinois to the Gulf. When those are done, get ready to pay more for gas, Midwesterners.

Also, you can kiss the Enbridge dashed blue line in Canada goodbye. Ain't happening. The tribes have blocked it and they won't budge.
 
2012-01-26 02:48:06 PM
I blame the fact that they are all lazy, not that they have a political point to score.
 
2012-01-26 02:51:08 PM
Remember, anything positive or even neutral about pipelines and energy companies is "energy company propaganda." Any claims of impending ecological disaster, etc. are, of course, objective and factually-based; any refutation is energy company propaganda.
 
2012-01-26 02:54:48 PM
JohnAnnArbor: Remember, anything positive or even neutral about pipelines and energy companies is "energy company propaganda." Any claims of impending ecological disaster, etc. are, of course, objective and factually-based; any refutation is energy company propaganda.

Or...and just hang with me here....the real truth is somewhere in the middle where the pipeline could be an economic benefit but at an environmental cost.

What a crazy thought huh?
 
2012-01-26 02:56:24 PM
Rapmaster2000: [gailtheactuary.files.wordpress.com image 640x474]

Crude oil pipelines.

Dashed green is Keystone XL (extension line).

Remember this when you hear "but China will get all the oil". As you can see, Kinder Morgan already has a pipeline to Vancouver and there are existing pipelines to the Gulf - the place where Keystone XL wants to go.

Enbridge also announced two new pipelines from Illinois to the Gulf. When those are done, get ready to pay more for gas, Midwesterners.

Also, you can kiss the Enbridge dashed blue line in Canada goodbye. Ain't happening. The tribes have blocked it and they won't budge.


You're too optimistic about the Northern Gateway pipeline. That one will probably get built because Harper and the Conservatives will do whatever it takes to make their buddies in Alberta make money off of China.
 
2012-01-26 02:59:51 PM
If I'm Obama this is what I say: "Ok you will have your pipeline as long as you mandate in the legislation that any oil flowing through that pipeline must be sold ONLY to America and cheaper than other sources of oil are being sold for.

Lets see how badly Republicans want to bring oil into the US.
 
2012-01-26 03:01:10 PM
Mrtraveler01: JohnAnnArbor: Remember, anything positive or even neutral about pipelines and energy companies is "energy company propaganda." Any claims of impending ecological disaster, etc. are, of course, objective and factually-based; any refutation is energy company propaganda.

Or...and just hang with me here....the real truth is somewhere in the middle where the pipeline could be an economic benefit but at an environmental cost.

What a crazy thought huh?


Reasonable logic alert!

Reasonable logic alert!
 
2012-01-26 03:01:26 PM
Rapmaster2000: [gailtheactuary.files.wordpress.com image 640x474]

Crude oil pipelines.

Dashed green is Keystone XL (extension line).

Remember this when you hear "but China will get all the oil". As you can see, Kinder Morgan already has a pipeline to Vancouver and there are existing pipelines to the Gulf - the place where Keystone XL wants to go.

Enbridge also announced two new pipelines from Illinois to the Gulf. When those are done, get ready to pay more for gas, Midwesterners.

Also, you can kiss the Enbridge dashed blue line in Canada goodbye. Ain't happening. The tribes have blocked it and they won't budge.


So what interest does the US have in approving Keystone so that gas prices in the midwest can be raised even higher?
 
2012-01-26 03:01:27 PM
Rapmaster2000: Enbridge also announced two new pipelines from Illinois to the Gulf. When those are done, get ready to pay more for gas, Midwesterners.

Yep. I live in the Midwest(ish...) and my area would be one of the affected areas, so my position on KeystoneXL is "fark that shiat".

The thing I enjoy is how right-wingers are programmed to always assume opposition to anything energy-related is founded in environmentalism. As if there are no other ways to oppose energy-related policy positions.
 
2012-01-26 03:02:27 PM
Mrtraveler01: Rapmaster2000: [gailtheactuary.files.wordpress.com image 640x474]

Crude oil pipelines.

Dashed green is Keystone XL (extension line).

Remember this when you hear "but China will get all the oil". As you can see, Kinder Morgan already has a pipeline to Vancouver and there are existing pipelines to the Gulf - the place where Keystone XL wants to go.

Enbridge also announced two new pipelines from Illinois to the Gulf. When those are done, get ready to pay more for gas, Midwesterners.

Also, you can kiss the Enbridge dashed blue line in Canada goodbye. Ain't happening. The tribes have blocked it and they won't budge.

You're too optimistic about the Northern Gateway pipeline. That one will probably get built because Harper and the Conservatives will do whatever it takes to make their buddies in Alberta make money off of China.


I wouldn't say optimistic or pessimistic. I don't really care either way, but I doubt it will happen. They'll have to bribe an assload of tribes to get it (not impossible), but it may be moot once Kinder-Morgan builds their twin pipeline to Vancouver and Enbridge completes its Gulf expansion pipelines - Seaway and Gulf-Access.

Link (new window)

BTW, I'm loving this Keystone XL in the news. There's so much about pipelines I didn't know. Like last summer when I stood in my hotel room in Portland, ME and watched tankers pull up to this strange looking terminal. Now I know it's a crude pipeline from Alberta.

Is this where we freak out because the Europeans are getting our oil?
 
2012-01-26 03:03:26 PM
Philip Francis Queeg: Rapmaster2000: [gailtheactuary.files.wordpress.com image 640x474]

Crude oil pipelines.

Dashed green is Keystone XL (extension line).

Remember this when you hear "but China will get all the oil". As you can see, Kinder Morgan already has a pipeline to Vancouver and there are existing pipelines to the Gulf - the place where Keystone XL wants to go.

Enbridge also announced two new pipelines from Illinois to the Gulf. When those are done, get ready to pay more for gas, Midwesterners.

Also, you can kiss the Enbridge dashed blue line in Canada goodbye. Ain't happening. The tribes have blocked it and they won't budge.

So what interest does the US have in approving Keystone so that gas prices in the midwest can be raised even higher?


None. But that won't stop Americans in the Midwest from supporting the approval.
 
2012-01-26 03:03:52 PM
Mrtraveler01: Or...and just hang with me here....the real truth is somewhere in the middle where the pipeline could be an economic benefit but at an environmental cost.

What a crazy thought huh?


It may be true the truth lies in the center, but KeystoneXL is decidedly not in the US's best interest, and confers no benefit, economically or strategically. In fact, the damn pipeline is counter to those interests.
 
2012-01-26 03:03:59 PM
Warlordtrooper: If I'm Obama this is what I say: "Ok you will have your pipeline as long as you mandate in the legislation that any oil flowing through that pipeline must be sold ONLY to America and cheaper than other sources of oil are being sold for.

Lets see how badly Republicans want to bring oil into the US.


GOP: "Sure, whatever, done."

1 month after pipeline completion:

"We are pleased to announce passage of the job-creating, freedom from regulation, free market oil sales legislation!"
 
2012-01-26 03:05:00 PM
Those oil pipelines leak all the time. Yet here they are trying to build a pipeline over the biggest aquifer in the US. The same one that is repsonsible for providing water to 2/3 of the farmland in the entire country.

Just to re-iterate, 2/3 of the farmland of the US could be affected were that pipeline to break or leak. That farmland is much more important to adding just one more pipeline to the hundreds that already exist.
 
2012-01-26 03:05:35 PM
that bosnian sniper: Mrtraveler01: Or...and just hang with me here....the real truth is somewhere in the middle where the pipeline could be an economic benefit but at an environmental cost.

What a crazy thought huh?

It may be true the truth lies in the center, but KeystoneXL is decidedly not in the US's best interest, and confers no benefit, economically or strategically. In fact, the damn pipeline is counter to those interests.


The best thing is offers is temporary jobs constructing it. Otherwise it's just a big cash cow for a bunch of oil tycoons in Calgary.
 
2012-01-26 03:07:14 PM
that bosnian sniper: Rapmaster2000: Enbridge also announced two new pipelines from Illinois to the Gulf. When those are done, get ready to pay more for gas, Midwesterners.

Yep. I live in the Midwest(ish...) and my area would be one of the affected areas, so my position on KeystoneXL is "fark that shiat".

The thing I enjoy is how right-wingers are programmed to always assume opposition to anything energy-related is founded in environmentalism. As if there are no other ways to oppose energy-related policy positions.


I live 20 miles from the refineries that the current Keystone pipeline sends their oil to and those are my same sentiments.

There's a reason Missouri frequently has some of the cheapest gas prices in the nation.
 
2012-01-26 03:11:48 PM
Good, I hope it gets built. I'm sick and tired of "environmentalists" blocking necessary projects for free hand outs and lazy unionized liberal mid-westerners demanding even more subsidies.
 
2012-01-26 03:11:49 PM
Norv Turner: My only issue is the isn't the fact that they want the thing rerouted, its that they are purposely pushing it back past the election because they don't want it to affect politics. F**k that.

TransCanada already said they won't have a re-routed plan until late summer. Why should the president and Congress sign off on an incomplete plan?

My only issue is that this will result in lost jobs long term. Sure, there are the 2-thousand or so temporary construction jobs, but that's a drop in the bucket compared to the trucking jobs the pipeline will eliminate. When the pipeline is finished, you've got 2-thousand construction workers and a thousand or so truckers out of work.

But hey, the oil companies will pass those savings to you, right? Right?
 
2012-01-26 03:14:46 PM
Rapmaster2000: Mrtraveler01: Rapmaster2000: [gailtheactuary.files.wordpress.com image 640x474]

Crude oil pipelines.

Dashed green is Keystone XL (extension line).

Remember this when you hear "but China will get all the oil". As you can see, Kinder Morgan already has a pipeline to Vancouver and there are existing pipelines to the Gulf - the place where Keystone XL wants to go.

Enbridge also announced two new pipelines from Illinois to the Gulf. When those are done, get ready to pay more for gas, Midwesterners.

Also, you can kiss the Enbridge dashed blue line in Canada goodbye. Ain't happening. The tribes have blocked it and they won't budge.

You're too optimistic about the Northern Gateway pipeline. That one will probably get built because Harper and the Conservatives will do whatever it takes to make their buddies in Alberta make money off of China.

I wouldn't say optimistic or pessimistic. I don't really care either way, but I doubt it will happen. They'll have to bribe an assload of tribes to get it (not impossible), but it may be moot once Kinder-Morgan builds their twin pipeline to Vancouver and Enbridge completes its Gulf expansion pipelines - Seaway and Gulf-Access.

Link (new window)

BTW, I'm loving this Keystone XL in the news. There's so much about pipelines I didn't know. Like last summer when I stood in my hotel room in Portland, ME and watched tankers pull up to this strange looking terminal. Now I know it's a crude pipeline from Alberta.

Is this where we freak out because the Europeans are getting our oil?


I was about to mention the possibility of a twin pipeline to Vancouver but you're a step ahead of me.

But then again, if Enbridge does offer the First Nation tribes an offer they can't refuse. Then you can't blame them for taking the money. But that's all up to Enbridge to determine how bad they really want that pipeline.

Plus a pipeline to Vancouver would make more logistical sense to me than one from Prince Rupert.
 
2012-01-26 03:19:34 PM
beta_plus: Good, I hope it gets built. I'm sick and tired of "environmentalists" blocking necessary projects for free hand outs and lazy unionized liberal mid-westerners demanding even more subsidies.

i2.cdn.turner.com

Because there is no environmental risk. Oil companies would never damage the natural surroundings.
 
2012-01-26 03:19:37 PM
beta_plus: Good, I hope it gets built. I'm sick and tired of "environmentalists" blocking necessary projects for free hand outs and lazy unionized liberal mid-westerners demanding even more subsidies.

Damn. You hit all the bullet points. Nice work.
 
2012-01-26 03:20:45 PM
Mrtraveler01:

Plus a pipeline to Vancouver would make more logistical sense to me than one from Prince Rupert.


Absolutely. There has to be a benefit in expanding the existing right-of-way vs. creating a new one.
 
2012-01-26 03:26:00 PM
Mrtraveler01: Rapmaster2000: [gailtheactuary.files.wordpress.com image 640x474]

Crude oil pipelines.

Dashed green is Keystone XL (extension line).

Remember this when you hear "but China will get all the oil". As you can see, Kinder Morgan already has a pipeline to Vancouver and there are existing pipelines to the Gulf - the place where Keystone XL wants to go.

Enbridge also announced two new pipelines from Illinois to the Gulf. When those are done, get ready to pay more for gas, Midwesterners.

Also, you can kiss the Enbridge dashed blue line in Canada goodbye. Ain't happening. The tribes have blocked it and they won't budge.

You're too optimistic about the Northern Gateway pipeline. That one will probably get built because Harper and the Conservatives will do whatever it takes to make their buddies in Alberta make money off of China.


You think? I haven't been following it, and I'm not super familiar with how power is brokered up there in America's hat, but it was my impression that when indigenous people from The Far and Frozen North said "no" that political will for this and that started to wither.
 
2012-01-26 03:29:36 PM
beta_plus: Good, I hope it gets built. I'm sick and tired of "environmentalists" blocking necessary projects for free hand outs and lazy unionized liberal mid-westerners demanding even more subsidies.

I like the part where you add "unionized", "mid-westerners" and put quotations around "environmentalists". Needs "Marxist", though.
 
2012-01-26 03:30:39 PM
BeesNuts: Mrtraveler01: Rapmaster2000: [gailtheactuary.files.wordpress.com image 640x474]

Crude oil pipelines.

Dashed green is Keystone XL (extension line).

Remember this when you hear "but China will get all the oil". As you can see, Kinder Morgan already has a pipeline to Vancouver and there are existing pipelines to the Gulf - the place where Keystone XL wants to go.

Enbridge also announced two new pipelines from Illinois to the Gulf. When those are done, get ready to pay more for gas, Midwesterners.

Also, you can kiss the Enbridge dashed blue line in Canada goodbye. Ain't happening. The tribes have blocked it and they won't budge.

You're too optimistic about the Northern Gateway pipeline. That one will probably get built because Harper and the Conservatives will do whatever it takes to make their buddies in Alberta make money off of China.

You think? I haven't been following it, and I'm not super familiar with how power is brokered up there in America's hat, but it was my impression that when indigenous people from The Far and Frozen North said "no" that political will for this and that started to wither.


Well they've been using that pipeline as a bargaining chip and a way to say "well if you guys won't approve the Keystone pipeline, then we'll just use this one". They've been fighting pretty hard for this one, but like me and Rapmaster have pointed out, they could easily just build the pipeline next to an existing one to Vancouver with a lot less controversy.

I base my knowledge of Canadian politics from watching CBC and CTV on my computer so if any Canadians on here know more than we do, feel free to point it out to us.
 
2012-01-26 03:37:02 PM
I say fark this pipeline, we get all the oil we need out of the mideast at a reasonable cost.

www.finalcall.com
 
2012-01-26 03:40:23 PM
The Onanist: Mrtraveler01: Color me shocked. Everyone kept reciting TransCanada's press release of it creating 200,000 jobs and how it would ensure "energy independence" without any scrutiny of the fact that these two facts are nothing but bullshiat.

Liberal media my ass.

20,000 or 200,000 jobs? Uh, not even close.

"...the Cornell University Global Labor Institute finding that the pipeline would add only 500 to 1,400 temporary construction jobs. The authors of the September report also said that much of the new employment stemming from Keystone would be outside the U.S.

Transcanada itself cast doubt on its employment forecast when a vice president for the company told CNN last fall that the 20,000 jobs Keystone would create were temporary and that the project would likely yield only "hundreds" of permanent positions."

Linky (pops)



Who gives a shiat if it creates 2000 jobs or 20,000?
That oil will be burnt by someone on this planet, so since we are the closest we should be the ones to use it as transport costs will only create more emissions. We should take reasonable precautions. There is no other calculation that needs to take place.
This is Obama listening to the flat earth wing of the party; neoluddites who champion logic and science only when it suits there designs. As often as not they deny logic and science with all the passion of Zoroastrian priest in 3rd century b.c Persia who is being lectured about the deposit of hydrocarbons and combustion.

Washington Post Editorial Board, January 18th

...We almost hope this was a political call because, on the substance, there should be no question. Without the pipeline, Canada would still export its bitumen - with long-term trends in the global market, it's far too valuable to keep in the ground - but it would go to China. And, as a State Department report found, U.S. refineries would still import low-quality crude - just from the Middle East. Stopping the pipeline, then, wouldn't do anything to reduce global warming, but it would almost certainly require more oil to be transported across oceans in tankers.
Environmentalists and Nebraska politicians say that the route TransCanada proposed might threaten the state's ecologically sensitive Sand Hills region. But TransCanada has been willing to tweak the route, in consultation with Nebraska officials, even though a government analysis last year concluded that the original one would have "limited adverse environmental impacts." Surely the Obama administration didn't have to declare the whole project contrary to the national interest - that's the standard State was supposed to apply - and force the company to start all over again.
Environmentalists go on to argue that some of the fuel U.S. refineries produce from Canada's bitumen might be exported elsewhere. But even if that's true, why force those refineries to obtain their crude from farther away? Anti-Keystone activists insist that building the pipeline will raise gas prices in the Midwest. But shouldn't environmentalists want that? Finally, pipeline skeptics dispute the estimates of the number of jobs that the project would create. But, clearly, constructing the pipeline would still result in job gains during a sluggish economic recovery.
There are far fairer, far more rational ways to discourage oil use in America, the first of which is establishing higher gasoline taxes. Environmentalists should fight for policies that might actually do substantial good instead of tilting against Keystone XL, and President Obama should have the courage to say so.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/obamas-keystone-pipeline-rejec t ion-is-hard-to-accept/2012/01/18/gIQAf9UG9P_story.html?sub=AR
 
2012-01-26 03:42:47 PM
relcec: Who gives a shiat if it creates 2000 jobs or 20,000?
That oil will be burnt by someone on this planet, so since we are the closest we should be the ones to use it as transport costs will only create more emissions.


You don't know how commodities work huh? Just because we're the closest to it doesn't mean we'll automatically get the oil.

That myth needs to stop.
 
2012-01-26 03:45:38 PM
tnpir: So, is this the part where we summarily dismiss TFA because it's Media Matters?

Why use ad hominems when you can erect strawmen!
 
2012-01-26 03:45:39 PM
What is the benefit of this pipeline for the US again?
 
2012-01-26 03:48:38 PM
tlchwi02: Mrtraveler01: Everyone kept reciting TransCanada's press release of it creating 200,000 jobs and how it would ensure "energy independence" without any scrutiny of the fact that these two facts are nothing but bullshiat.

the washington post said 6000 temp, maybe 1000 permanent jobs. at least the reporters for that paper did on an NPR discussion of it, so there's at least some facts


Actually that was 6000 direct onsite construction jobs. Apparently only liberals can use secondary effects on jobs in analysis. There would be no jobs connected to refineries or inspector at all... You are arguing against Obama and his Jobs saved or touched metric.
 
2012-01-26 03:50:54 PM
Mrtraveler01: I live 20 miles from the refineries that the current Keystone pipeline sends their oil to and those are my same sentiments.

There's a reason Missouri frequently has some of the cheapest gas prices in the nation.


Yep. KeystoneXL would economically rail the entire Midwest. Higher gas prices from diminished supply's the freaking tip of the iceberg. And since we're talking about giving our own breadbasket an economic nail bat to the balls, that's going to have massive spillover and unintended consequences for the whole damn country.

Amazing thing is the same people who not two years ago whined about food prices are now white knighting a policy proposal that would cause food prices to skyrocket.
 
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