But Israel really cares about peace! They don't want to bomb everyone, they just constantly threaten or actually do it.

Now with 99.99% less propaganda. (new window)

So Israel is prepared to shut down a non-compliant country's nuclear weapons program if they need to? ooooh noe!

A former IDF chief somehow speaks for Israel? That's like asking whether Stormin' Norman Schwartzkopf still represented the views of the US military.

A middle eastern country without any oil is useless to me.

Eff Israel. I'm so damn tired of propping that petty, bellicose, forever-thinking-its-entitled religious state up just so it can cause us problems.

Generation_D: Eff Israel. I'm so damn tired of propping that petty, bellicose, forever-thinking-its-entitled religious state up just so it can cause us problems.

Anti-Semite!

So basically Israel wants to wait on the sidelines and see if someone else solves the problem for them first, before doing anything about it on their own.

Norv Turner: f**k em, give them both nukes and let them duke it out. Then we can go in after and scoop up all the oil

Better hope Israel never figured out cobalt nukes to suit their whole 'if we can't live here NOBODY can live here' mentality. It's like a retarded version of mutually assured destruction, where the goal isn't to destroy both governments but both populations.

Philip Francis Queeg: Israel is going to shut down Israel's nuclear program?

What nuclear program?

(Has Israel ever admitted to owning nukes?)

weave: Has Israel ever admitted to owning nukes?

They've got a couple hundred of them probably.

Uh yeah subby, Iran didn't say they wanted to hold talks with Israel at all, and the so-called 'talks' they want to hold with the Six are just the same dog and pony show that they were putting up for years, and the same one that North Korea was doing before that.


So thanks for lying just to stick it to Israel though

GAT_00: Norv Turner: f**k em, give them both nukes and let them duke it out. Then we can go in after and scoop up all the oil

Better hope Israel never figured out cobalt nukes to suit their whole 'if we can't live here NOBODY can live here' mentality. It's like a retarded version of mutually assured destruction, where the goal isn't to destroy both governments but both populations.

I thought that was the entire point of Israel's nuclear program. They call it the Samson Doctrine, IIRC. I'd always assumed that Israel had the dirtiest bombs ever built, and if they ever had to use them, they would use ALL of them.

Remember folks - the only country allowed to have Nukes in the middle east is Israel. Just ask them.

Tatsuma: Uh yeah subby, Iran didn't say they wanted to hold talks with Israel at all, and the so-called 'talks' they want to hold with the Six are just the same dog and pony show that they were putting up for years, and the same one that North Korea was doing before that.


So thanks for lying just to stick it to Israel though

Are you suggesting the Iranians are not bargaining in good faith?

Jubeebee: GAT_00: Norv Turner: f**k em, give them both nukes and let them duke it out. Then we can go in after and scoop up all the oil

Better hope Israel never figured out cobalt nukes to suit their whole 'if we can't live here NOBODY can live here' mentality. It's like a retarded version of mutually assured destruction, where the goal isn't to destroy both governments but both populations.

I thought that was the entire point of Israel's nuclear program. They call it the Samson Doctrine, IIRC. I'd always assumed that Israel had the dirtiest bombs ever built, and if they ever had to use them, they would use ALL of them.

Cobalt nukes leave theoretically lethally high levels of radioactivity for a very long time, much longer than normal nukes.

weave: So basically Israel wants to wait on the sidelines and see if someone else solves the problem for them first, before doing anything about it on their own.

They must be Romulans. We need Garak to come in and straighten shiat out.

simplicimus: Are you suggesting the Iranians are not bargaining in good faith?

Have they ever, regarding their nuclear program?

Mugato: weave: So basically Israel wants to wait on the sidelines and see if someone else solves the problem for them first, before doing anything about it on their own.

They must be Romulans. We need Garak to come in and straighten shiat out.

+1

Snarfangel: Absolutely!

Yeah well I wasn't worried about this guy's nuclear program either.

Probably has to do with the fact he hadn't been the world's foremost sponsor of terrorism for 30 years, and screamed 'Death to America! Death to Israel!' all the time.

Oy bu...?

WTF has Israel ever done for us? I don't understand why we put them on a pedestal higher than all other nations.

I mean, other than they fit into the Fundies' crazy eschatology, and the buttloads of money their lobbyists dump on our politicians.

I guess I do understand, after all.

Tatsuma: simplicimus: Are you suggesting the Iranians are not bargaining in good faith?

Have they ever, regarding their nuclear program?

No. But nuclear weapons in a rather small area doesn't make a whole lot sense to me. Fallout would be an issue. Targets would be another. Tel Aviv, maybe. Jerusalem is a no go.

Norv Turner: Serious question, do you live in Israel or new york?

Israel.

simplicimus: No. But nuclear weapons in a rather small area doesn't make a whole lot sense to me. Fallout would be an issue. Targets would be another. Tel Aviv, maybe. Jerusalem is a no go.

Oh please. They could ch"vs just strike at Haifa, Tel Avi and Ashkelon (and possibly Eilat) and they would absolutely destroy most of the country, and cripple the rest.

Three or four nuclear bombs and it's the end of Israel


(that sound you just heard was multiple farkers climaxing as they read this)

Tatsuma: Uh yeah subby, Iran didn't say they wanted to hold talks with Israel at all, and the so-called 'talks' they want to hold with the Six are just the same dog and pony show that they were putting up for years, and the same one that North Korea was doing before that

And just like the ones Israelis have been having with the Palestinians.

Tatsuma: Norv Turner: Serious question, do you live in Israel or new york?

Israel.

simplicimus: No. But nuclear weapons in a rather small area doesn't make a whole lot sense to me. Fallout would be an issue. Targets would be another. Tel Aviv, maybe. Jerusalem is a no go.

Oh please. They could ch"vs just strike at Haifa, Tel Avi and Ashkelon (and possibly Eilat) and they would absolutely destroy most of the country, and cripple the rest.

Three or four nuclear bombs and it's the end of Israel


(that sound you just heard was multiple farkers climaxing as they read this)

And wipe out a good chunk of their (Iran's) beloved palastians. Radiation is a biatch.

Lionel Mandrake: WTF has Israel ever done for us?

Generate terrorism and war in the Middle East. Hate to sound like Mel Gibson but there it is.

Tatsuma: (that sound you just heard was multiple farkers climaxing as they read this)

Show me one person in here who has said that Israel must be destroyed you dishonest cock.

simplicimus: And wipe out a good chunk of their (Iran's) beloved palastians. Radiation is a biatch.

what's a few million martyrs if it rids the world of the zionist entity?

We're talking about a government of fanatics who asked hundreds of thousands of their own children to roll around in sleeping bags over minefields to clear the way for tanks, or to draw fire from Iraqi troop so they would not have as many bullets once the Iranian soldiers arrived.

You really think that they are about mostly sunni Arabs miles away?

Tatsuma: simplicimus: And wipe out a good chunk of their (Iran's) beloved palastians. Radiation is a biatch.

what's a few million martyrs if it rids the world of the zionist entity?

We're talking about a government of fanatics who asked hundreds of thousands of their own children to roll around in sleeping bags over minefields to clear the way for tanks, or to draw fire from Iraqi troop so they would not have as many bullets once the Iranian soldiers arrived.

You really think that they are about mostly sunni Arabs miles away?

Actually, I doubt the Persians care much about Arabs, one way or the other.

simplicimus: Actually, I doubt the Persians care much about Arabs, one way or the other.

... which was my point by highlighting the fact that they are both Sunnis (while those fanatics are shiates) and that they are Arabs (while those fanatics are Persian)?

Marcus Aurelius: Tatsuma: Uh yeah subby, Iran didn't say they wanted to hold talks with Israel at all, and the so-called 'talks' they want to hold with the Six are just the same dog and pony show that they were putting up for years, and the same one that North Korea was doing before that

And just like the ones Israelis have been having with the Palestinians.

And just like the ones Palestinians have been having with the Israelis.

violentsalvation: And just like the ones Palestinians have been having with the Israelis.

Yeah there was an article this week in the Telegraph, and plenty in the Arab media about how they are just farking around and making Israel waste its time while it bids for the UN instead


While the world's attention is fixed on the deepening drama of Iran's nuclear programme and the continuing fall-out from the wave of anti-government protests in the Arab world (I still refuse to countenance the concept of an Arab Spring), it is hardly surprising that attempts to revive the Palestinian-Israeli peace dialogue are not generating many headlines.

And yet this crucial issue is quietly reaching its own crisis point as the two sides approach the January 26 deadline set by the Quartet - the US, EU, UN and Russia - for the resumption of direct negotiations, with the aim of reaching a final settlement by the end of the year.

For anyone acquainted with the poisonous politics of the Middle East, resolving the long-standing dispute between Israel and the Palestinians would go a long way in undermining the cause of the Islamist militants who are trying to hijack the current wave of anti-government protests in the region for their own ends. The whole raison d'etre of regimes like Iran is that they claim they are fighting on behalf of the Palestinians to liberate their land from Israel's occupation. But if Israel suddenly did a deal, and made peace Palestinians, the Islamists would suddenly find themselves left high and dry.

Most people in the West believe the main reason the talks are not going anywhere is because of Israel's refusal to compromise on its settlement building programme. But while the Netanyahu government's insistence on building settlements is certainly an obstacle, I am told by Western diplomats close to the exploratory talks that are currently taking place in Jordan between the two sides that the real reason they are running into difficulty is because the Palestinian delegation, led by the veteran Palestinian negotiator Saeb Erekat, is refusing to take the talks seriously.

For example, I am told by a Western diplomat working for the Quartet that when the Israeli delegation arrived for a meeting last weekend in Amman, the Jordanian capital, to present their latest security proposals, Mr Erekat simply refused to enter the room.

My man in the Jordan conference room says that he was surprised at Mr Erekat's behaviour, especially as the topic under discussion was supposed to be one of the two main topics the Palestinian delegation wanted on the agenda for the Jordan talks, which are a precursor for the more formal talks that are supposed to take place once both sides have agreed a negotiating framework.

Mr Erekat's refusal to enter the negotiating room and hear what the Israelis had to say does not bode well for the Quartet's attempts to get the two sides to resume full negotiations, and raises questions about just how serious the Palestinians are about getting a peace deal. With Israel feeling increasingly isolated as world attention focuses on the fall-out from the recent revolts in Libya, Egypt and Syria, there is a growing suspicion among Western diplomats that the Palestinians are working on the basis that, if they draw out the process, they will be able to strike a better deal with Israel.

If that is the case, then they are badly mistaken. The real enemy in the Middle East today is Iran, not Israel, and by playing into the hands of Islamist militants who seek Israel's destruction, the Palestinians could see their cause being overtaken by a far greater regional conflict.

Tatsuma: simplicimus: Actually, I doubt the Persians care much about Arabs, one way or the other.

... which was my point by highlighting the fact that they are both Sunnis (while those fanatics are shiates) and that they are Arabs (while those fanatics are Persian)?

Well, that would raise the threat, if the Persians are willing to create martyrs from the other sect and ethnicity.