the kid that survived should have to clean bed pans for life as a volunteer.
Good shoot, pops.
Good shoot.

Good.

This makes me sad......that Darwin isn't a better shot.

mr_a: Cue the distraught mother: "My little angels never did anything wrong."

Followed by the guy complaining the a bicycle isn't worth killing over - while ignoring the fact that three 16-year-olds beating up a single senior citizen could very easily kill him.

And there are millions of people upset that the man had a gun. Why, he should have taken the beating and then he, or his next of kin, could have called the cops.

After all, who needs a gun while riding a bike? He was just a paranoid nutball.

/sarc/

Well, one thing's for certain. There's a lot of pre-emptive pro-gun butthurt in this thread.

I sure hope the senior isn't charged for the death of the second teen.

I didn't see a play by play account of how it all went down, but I can imagine a scenario whereby the senior starts shooting (resulting in the first teen being shot, self defense by the senior, no criminal liability) which caused the remaining teens to attempt to flee....if said senior continued to shoot during the fleeing by the teens (resulting in a shot in the back) he may have issues.

I hope he doesn't have any legal troubles, if three teens are willing to attack and attempt to rob a 65 y/o man, they get what is coming to them...fleeing or not.

Been talking about this at work, right near me. Co-workers daughter goes to school with 2 of the boys. There's a reason I don't walk or bike on the Thun trail there. Not the first mugging that has happened.

Never pick a fight with an old person. If they can't fight back they will just shoot your ass.

RickN99: And there are millions of people upset that the man had a gun. Why, he should have taken the beating and then he, or his next of kin, could have called the cops.

After all, who needs a gun while riding a bike? He was just a paranoid nutball.

/sarc/

What? Good old u-lock can't cut it tough guy? It's a great bit of nonviolence, like a shovel or axe handle.

Way to be, gramps! Way to end that kid's life! Hope you live 30 more years, and every day you're congratulated for killing that kid! You're a true hero!

JesseL: Followed by the guy complaining the a bicycle isn't worth killing over - while ignoring the fact that three 16-year-olds beating up a single senior citizen could very easily kill him.

He could have just showed them the gun and not fired. They're great deterrents, unarmed people always run from guns.

/I'll bet forensics discovers all these gunshots were to the back.

This type of tragedy could never happen in Obama's America, the hand gun would be banned and the yoots would be offered therapy.

vudukungfu: the kid that survived should have to clean bed pans for life as a volunteer.

He may well once he's charged with double felony murder for the death of his pals.

It is wrong to attack and rob someone but it's heroic to kill a young man. I see. You know, the penalty for assault, robbery or stupidity isn't the death penalty. You people who are cheering this are the real sickos. The man took a life over a bicycle. May his days be short and his eternity be in hell.

a4dzac: I wish more of the bikers that ride the Greenway Trail here in Mpls would get their conceal and carry permits...a little behavior modification would help tremendously.

There's not a chance in hell I'd ride the Greenway without at least mace or some other weapon, so it's always surprising to hear about people being assaulted when riding it alone, after dark. Not the fact that they're assaulted, just that they think it won't happen to them.

I feel bad for the guy, regardless of the ITG talk you blow a bunch of people away and it'd gotta fark with your head. So the little pieces of human trash still victimized the old dude.

J. Frank Parnell: JesseL: Followed by the guy complaining the a bicycle isn't worth killing over - while ignoring the fact that three 16-year-olds beating up a single senior citizen could very easily kill him.

He could have just showed them the gun and not fired. They're great deterrents, unarmed people always run from guns.

/I'll bet forensics discovers all these gunshots were to the back.

I'm glad he did shoot. Seriously, who wants kids like that around? Waste of air.

Coming on a Bicycle: Well, one thing's for certain. There's a lot of pre-emptive pro-gun butthurt in this thread.

No kidding! Nothing like watching a good circle jerk of self-inflicted victimization.

RickN99: And there are millions of people upset that the man had a gun. Why, he should have taken the beating and then he, or his next of kin, could have called the cops.

After all, who needs a gun while riding a bike? He was just a paranoid nutball.

/sarc/

Yeah, he should've just called the police.

Never, ever assault a man while he is riding his bike. Just ask Paperboy about the stuff he has to go through each day.

Another link to the article

http://readingeagle.com/article.aspx?id=361536

Site sometimes pops up ads and is generally slow.

J. Frank Parnell: JesseL: Followed by the guy complaining the a bicycle isn't worth killing over - while ignoring the fact that three 16-year-olds beating up a single senior citizen could very easily kill him.

He could have just showed them the gun and not fired. They're great deterrents, unarmed people always run from guns.

/I'll bet forensics discovers all these gunshots were to the back.

My understanding is that if you pull a gun and don't shoot, you can be in trouble for brandishing - AFAIK you're only supposed to pull a gun if you're going to fire it.

Sad that a kid died, but if we have all the facts the man was justified.

J. Frank Parnell: He could have just showed them the gun and not fired. They're great deterrents, unarmed people always run from guns.

Like my old grand daddy used to say, "The less a man makes declarative statements, the less apt he is to look foolish in retrospect."


There have been plenty of unarmed people who failed to run from the sight of a gun; either due to sheer stupidity, chemically altered awareness, desperation, belief that it's not real or that the wielder lacks the will to use it, or a myriad of other possibilities.

It's not something I would bet my life on.

Mija: It is wrong to attack and rob someone but it's heroic to kill a young man. I see. You know, the penalty for assault, robbery or stupidity isn't the death penalty. You people who are cheering this are the real sickos. The man took a life over a bicycle. May his days be short and his eternity be in hell.

The man's supposed to be psychic and know they won't do further harm to him than steal his bike and wallet?

Mija: It is wrong to attack and rob someone but it's heroic to kill a young man. I see. You know, the penalty for assault, robbery or stupidity isn't the death penalty. You people who are cheering this are the real sickos. The man took a life over a bicycle. May his days be short and his eternity be in hell.

You want to think the man took a life over a bicycle? I think if you RTFA you'll see that it says he was knocked from his bike, and THEN they continued to assault him. If that story is true (which is quite different from your imaginary world) then yes he's likely justified in using deadly force.

Mija: It is wrong to attack and rob someone but it's heroic to kill a young man. I see. You know, the penalty for assault, robbery or stupidity isn't the death penalty. You people who are cheering this are the real sickos. The man took a life over a bicycle. May his days be short and his eternity be in hell.

You must be the mother they were talking about a little earlier in the thread.

Mija: It is wrong to attack and rob someone but it's heroic to kill a young man. I see. You know, the penalty for assault, robbery or stupidity isn't the death penalty. You people who are cheering this are the real sickos. The man took a life over a bicycle. May his days be short and his eternity be in hell.

I knew someone like you would come along.

Mija: It is wrong to attack and rob someone but it's heroic to kill a young man. I see. You know, the penalty for assault, robbery or stupidity isn't the death penalty. You people who are cheering this are the real sickos. The man took a life over a bicycle. May his days be short and his eternity be in hell.

I'm not pro-gun and I don't think any result of this story would have turned out well, gun or not, but he didn't take a life over just his bicycle. The article states that they were assaulting him in an robbery attempt when he drew the gun, so they were presumably beating him to get his wallet and anything else he had. In that case, he took a life to defend his own, and not just over the bicycle.

This article is worthless without specifying the race of the attackers!!!!

I'll go out on a limb and say they were probably not asian or anglo.

imnotadoctor: Coming on a Bicycle: Well, one thing's for certain. There's a lot of pre-emptive pro-gun butthurt in this thread.

No kidding! Nothing like watching a good circle jerk of self-inflicted victimization.

It's almost like we just had a thread loaded with "You are all paranoid. Why would you ever need a gun at Starbucks or ..." comments.

So a stupid bicycle is worth taking the life of a child? Here's hoping this piece of shiat goes to jail for a loooooooooooooong time.

J. Frank Parnell: JesseL: Followed by the guy complaining the a bicycle isn't worth killing over - while ignoring the fact that three 16-year-olds beating up a single senior citizen could very easily kill him.

He could have just showed them the gun and not fired. They're great deterrents, unarmed people always run from guns.

/I'll bet forensics discovers all these gunshots were to the back.

If they were standing a ways away and threatening him yes, that would have been an option.

But they were in the process of assaulting him. Pulling out his gun and showing it to them as they're standing at point blank range beating him is a good way to get the gun taken away.

/don't pull out a gun unless you plan on using it.

//don't assault old people, they might be packing.

ipsofacto: Way to be, gramps! Way to end that kid's life! Hope you live 30 more years, and every day you're congratulated for killing that kid! You're a true hero!

I know you're trolling and all but really with 7+ billion people I think we'll manage to get by without this kid.

But you ask, who will assault old people now? Don't worry, there are always plenty of scumbags out there willing to prey on the weak.

gunga galunga: So a stupid bicycle is worth taking the life of a child? Here's hoping this piece of shiat goes to jail for a loooooooooooooong time.

16 ain't a child.

gunga galunga: So a stupid bicycle is worth taking the life of a child? Here's hoping this piece of shiat goes to jail for a loooooooooooooong time.

I know I always ask for ID before shooting in self-defense. "We Card Under 35."

That's one old mean man, they weren't even on his lawn.

How it really went down:
Kids, ditching school walking a trail for fun. Old man approaches on bike. He's nervous around teens, as he's old and he fears them. Fears them so much in fact that he routinely rides with a gun in a wasteband holster. The weight of that gun bolsters his swagger, and he rides close to them - just to let them know that pedestrians should clear out for bikers.

Unfortunately, his over focus on his particular mix of fear, bravado, and machismo distracted him from the trail, and when he hit a root, he lost control and fell.

The kids, being teens, found this hilarious, and mocked him savagely for being a dumbass "full of fail". The old guy, being butthurt, quickly convinces himself he was knocked down - and in fear of his life.

Quicker than the kids - or the oldster - realize, the gun is in his hand and firing. The first kid never had a chance, the second gets plugged while running for his life, and third manages to put enough trees between himself and blast-away-bill to escape (physically) unharmed.

Or perhaps they were 3 thugs trying to rob him, and he successfully defended himself.

At this point, all we know for a fact is one young man is dead, another wounded, and both were shot by an aging bicyclist who was scared - and armed.

It could be a "good" shooting...it could be a bad one. But I sure don't want to hail him as a hero before we have more facts.

ipsofacto: Way to be, gramps! Way to end that kid's life! Hope you live 30 more years, and every day you're congratulated for killing that kid! You're a true hero!

If sarcasm bravo.

If not sarcasm

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FTA: Police said they took the uninjured boy and the victim to the Cumru Township police station for questioning. They consulted Berks County District Attorney John Adams, released the victim and sent the boy to the Youth Detention Center.

Hmm... let me guess as to the race of the victim and the attackers...
/obligatory

Not worth killing over a bicycle, but physical assault certainly counts as good enough reason.

Good on old dude for being the concealed carry guy who didn't manage to shoot his wife or neighbor by accident.

/The rest of you penis wavers still have better odds of being hit by lightning than successfully defending yourself with a firearm. Let me know when you start wearing rubber underwear every day just in case.