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(Yahoo)   House GOP last month: Obama this bill will FORCE you to decide on the Keystone XL pipeline. Obama: Okay I've decided and my answer is "no". House GOP this month: THIS bill will make the decision not up to you anymore   (news.yahoo.com) divider line 125
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2012-01-26 10:08:54 AM  
I would be interested to know how many members of the GOP received campaign donations from the companies working on Keystone XL... or who have investments in those same companies. Seeing as how the same congressmen pushing this piece of shiat are the same ones who were up in arms when a bill was introduced to ban insider trading in congress.
 
2012-01-26 10:09:35 AM  
"We fought in World War II in less time than it has taken to decide on this project," shot back Rep. Joe Barton, a Republican. "In all due respect, it is an insult to the American people to say you need more time."

Ah, how shocking that the oil industry and polluter's biggest paid shill could take the American Petroleum Institute dick out of his mouth long enough to say something totally predictable.
 
2012-01-26 10:12:19 AM  
Have these folks not heard of "veto" before?

Or the Senate for that matter?
 
2012-01-26 10:14:14 AM  
So, a Nebraska Republican wants to force a pipeline made with faulty materials through his own state, which also happens to be home to the main aquifer for 40% of America. AND he wants to transfer authority to a federal agency that by its own admission has no official jurisdiction or expertise in pipelines of this type.

Seriously, WTF is wrong with these people?
 
2012-01-26 10:16:35 AM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: So, a Nebraska Republican wants to force a pipeline made with faulty materials through his own state, which also happens to be home to the main aquifer for 40% of America. AND he wants to transfer authority to a federal agency that by its own admission has no official jurisdiction or expertise in pipelines of this type.

Seriously, WTF is wrong with these people?


He's just doing what his corporate masters order him to do. Like most Republicans, thinking for himself is not part of the bargain.
 
2012-01-26 10:39:57 AM  
It'll never pass the senate. They may as well be pissing on their balls.
 
2012-01-26 10:59:08 AM  
FTFA: The bill "imposes narrow time constraints and creates automatic mandates that prevent an informed decision" on the $7 billion Keystone XL pipeline.

Of course! Snap judgements and shooting from the hip on critical and possible disastrous decisions and such a farking great idea! Please, carry on.

/Will someone please get these idiots out of office?
 
2012-01-26 11:02:41 AM  

Crusader: FTFA: The bill "imposes narrow time constraints and creates automatic mandates that prevent an informed decision" on the $7 billion Keystone XL pipeline.

Of course! Snap judgements and shooting from the hip on critical and possible disastrous decisions and such a farking great idea! Please, carry on.

/Will someone please get these idiots out of office?


Mind you these are the same idiots who complained that the healthcare reform was happening too fast. Also, it was too long to read.
 
2012-01-26 11:04:19 AM  

Crusader: FTFA: The bill "imposes narrow time constraints and creates automatic mandates that prevent an informed decision" on the $7 billion Keystone XL pipeline.

Of course! Snap judgements and shooting from the hip on critical and possible disastrous decisions and such a farking great idea! Please, carry on.

/Will someone please get these idiots out of office?


Less about shooting from the hip, than locking folks into contracts. Sort of like the old condo shell game--you are contractually obligated to contribute your percentage to the corporation, and if you fail to meet those obligations, then your shares are declared null and void, without any refund or buy out. It is an Old Skool con. This is about lining some folks pockets and knowing that the pipeline will hit cost overruns, and locking the government into pouring money into the thing, no matter what. It is the sort of thing that is, by design, a rip than the Big Dig.

Give them credit for thinking large. You're going to hook a fish, might as well hook a whale...
 
2012-01-26 11:10:14 AM  
FTFA: Terry, the bill's sponsor, said transferring authority for the project to FERC was "simply moving authority to an agency that understands pipelines. This legislation means that Keystone will progress in a timely manner and that our country gets the much-needed jobs and energy security that it will bring."

Excuse me, but everything I have heard is all this oil is to be shipped overseas, away from the US, basically because it is too dirty for us to use. So please explain to me how shipping oil we don't want to use ourselves to other places increases our 'energy security'.
 
2012-01-26 11:12:08 AM  
What's their fallback plan should this fail? Holding their breath until they turn blue?

/bunch of freakin spoiled 5 year olds
 
2012-01-26 11:12:14 AM  

Slives: FTFA: Terry, the bill's sponsor, said transferring authority for the project to FERC was "simply moving authority to an agency that understands pipelines. This legislation means that Keystone will progress in a timely manner and that our country gets the much-needed jobs and energy security that it will bring."

Excuse me, but everything I have heard is all this oil is to be shipped overseas, away from the US, basically because it is too dirty for us to use. So please explain to me how shipping oil we don't want to use ourselves to other places increases our 'energy security'.


Because Reagan.
 
2012-01-26 11:17:09 AM  
The Keystone XL pipeline basically provides a straight shot from Canada to Houston and Port Arthur. It lets the flow of Canadian oil completely bypass the United States until it gets shipped out through Texas. How is it supposed to help our energy needs at all?

Plus, even their projections say it would make 26,000 jobs. That's less than two of my hometowns. That's a sliver of what we need every month to really pick up the pace. How is that worth even the risk of disaster building it would present?
 
2012-01-26 11:17:34 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: What's their fallback plan should this fail? Holding their breath until they turn blue?

/bunch of freakin spoiled 5 year olds


Blaming the Senate and Separation of Powers I suspect. Separation of powers is Un-American, and the House should have EVRAYTHANG!

/Well, up until a point where there might be a Democratic majority, then we will be held hostage by legislative terrorists...
 
2012-01-26 11:20:58 AM  
Keystone XL is a scam.
 
2012-01-26 11:21:15 AM  
You are all missing the point. We have hundreds of pipelines across the country. I'm not going to point out what they carry, what they are made of, or what they cross, but we have other pipelines so this one is OK too.
 
2012-01-26 11:21:47 AM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: So, a Nebraska Republican wants to force a pipeline made with faulty materials through his own state, which also happens to be home to the main aquifer for 40% of America. AND he wants to transfer authority to a federal agency that by its own admission has no official jurisdiction or expertise in pipelines of this type.

Seriously, WTF is wrong with these people?


Even better, it's all on the basis that "Build NOW! You don't need more time!!!" when TransCanada and the Nebraska state government have agreed that they need more time to agree on and do the EIAs for the alternate route.

There have got to be people at TransCanada wondering how to convince the Republicans in Congress STFU without alienating them.
 
2012-01-26 11:21:57 AM  
Lee Terry is a moran.

/former constituent
 
2012-01-26 11:22:07 AM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: So, a Nebraska Republican wants to force a pipeline made with faulty materials through his own state, which also happens to be home to the main aquifer for 40% of America. AND he wants to transfer authority to a federal agency that by its own admission has no official jurisdiction or expertise in pipelines of this type.


But a wind farm? NIMBY.
 
2012-01-26 11:23:26 AM  

Code_Archeologist: I would be interested to know how many members of the GOP received campaign donations from the companies working on Keystone XL... or who have investments in those same companies. Seeing as how the same congressmen pushing this piece of shiat are the same ones who were up in arms when a bill was introduced to ban insider trading in congress.


John Boehner, who is forcing this issue, is personally heavily invested in this pipeline getting built.

Also, there's the small matter that no House bill can be made law without the President's signature, and the Senate would have to back this, so good luck on that.
 
2012-01-26 11:24:54 AM  
"We fought in World War II in less time than it has taken to decide on this project," shot back Rep. Joe Barton, a Republican. "In all due respect, it is an insult to the American people to say you need more time."

Yet well over a year of debates on how best to reform health care and insurance in this country was not enough time? Give me a farking break.
 
2012-01-26 11:25:03 AM  

Code_Archeologist: I would be interested to know how many members of the GOP received campaign donations from the companies working on Keystone XL... or who have investments in those same companies. Seeing as how the same congressmen pushing this piece of shiat are the same ones who were up in arms when a bill was introduced to ban insider trading in congress.


Well, if I was the company who is building the pipeline and had donated to the Republicans, I would be pretty pissed off right now. Obama rejected the pipeline because the Republicans attached a time limit for it's approval to the payroll tax cut bill, and that time limit wasn't long enough to review it fully. Had they not done so, the Obama administration would have probably approved an alternate routing, but it would have been a few months from now.

Basically, the Republicans killed the project, not Obama. They wanted to score political points and didn't really care if the pipeline was built.
 
2012-01-26 11:25:15 AM  

CPennypacker: You are all missing the point. We have hundreds of pipelines across the country. I'm not going to point out what they carry, what they are made of, or what they cross, but we have other pipelines so this one is OK too.


Many are. The problems lie in how this is being handled. And the lack of controls that are being advocated. Not so much that it is a pipeline, but the speed and lack of oversight, not to mention, the environmental impact studies. This is more about trying to sucker folks...

It sounds as if a lot of folks have cash sunk into the thing, and are getting antsy about their investment, and rather than let it shake down properly, they're looking to force the issue and fast, before bills come due...
 
2012-01-26 11:25:46 AM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: So, a Nebraska Republican wants to force a pipeline made with faulty materials through his own state, which also happens to be home to the main aquifer for 40% of America. AND he wants to transfer authority to a federal agency that by its own admission has no official jurisdiction or expertise in pipelines of this type.

Seriously, WTF is wrong with these people?


Sounds like perfect election campaign material to get someone out of office.
 
2012-01-26 11:25:51 AM  

hubiestubert: Crusader: FTFA: The bill "imposes narrow time constraints and creates automatic mandates that prevent an informed decision" on the $7 billion Keystone XL pipeline.

Of course! Snap judgements and shooting from the hip on critical and possible disastrous decisions and such a farking great idea! Please, carry on.

/Will someone please get these idiots out of office?

Less about shooting from the hip, than locking folks into contracts. Sort of like the old condo shell game--you are contractually obligated to contribute your percentage to the corporation, and if you fail to meet those obligations, then your shares are declared null and void, without any refund or buy out. It is an Old Skool con. This is about lining some folks pockets and knowing that the pipeline will hit cost overruns, and locking the government into pouring money into the thing, no matter what. It is the sort of thing that is, by design, a rip than the Big Dig.

Give them credit for thinking large. You're going to hook a fish, might as well hook a whale...


Yeah, but whales aren't fish, they're mammals.

/Apart from your five-yard-penalty-worthy error, you make a good point.
 
2012-01-26 11:26:18 AM  
"We fought in World War II in less time than it has taken to decide on this project," shot back Rep. Joe Barton, a Republican. "In all due respect, it is an insult to the American people to say you need more time."

Well gosh, we wouldn't want to give the impression of ramming legislation down your throat or passing a bill without reading it carefully, now would we? The GOP doesn't even bother to flip a coin to decide its complaint-of-the-day anymore - it just takes what it was complaining about yesterday and complains about the opposite.
 
2012-01-26 11:27:52 AM  

hubiestubert: CPennypacker: You are all missing the point. We have hundreds of pipelines across the country. I'm not going to point out what they carry, what they are made of, or what they cross, but we have other pipelines so this one is OK too.

Many are. The problems lie in how this is being handled. And the lack of controls that are being advocated. Not so much that it is a pipeline, but the speed and lack of oversight, not to mention, the environmental impact studies. This is more about trying to sucker folks...

It sounds as if a lot of folks have cash sunk into the thing, and are getting antsy about their investment, and rather than let it shake down properly, they're looking to force the issue and fast, before bills come due...


If I didn't know any better, I'd say they were trying to make us vote on a bill before finding out what was in it...
 
2012-01-26 11:28:36 AM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: "We fought in World War II in less time than it has taken to decide on this project," shot back Rep. Joe Barton, a Republican. "In all due respect, it is an insult to the American people to say you need more time."

Well gosh, we wouldn't want to give the impression of ramming legislation down your throat or passing a bill without reading it carefully, now would we? The GOP doesn't even bother to flip a coin to decide its complaint-of-the-day anymore - it just takes what it was complaining about yesterday and complains about the opposite.


I wake up in the morning and feel like have to cross-reference news articles with the Onion to make sure the media hasn't picked up one of their pieces as factual information.
 
2012-01-26 11:29:15 AM  
This whole keystone thing is so blown out of proportion, intentionally by the repugs. The number of permanent jobs it will create is about 200. The 10k jobs crap they keep throwing around is only for the 1-2 years the construction will take, and most of those jobs will go to foreign contractors. It's just a wedge issue that makes idiots think oil is going to magically get cheaper if the fungible commodity ends up in port A instead of port B. Guess what ... no matter if it goes west to a Chinese tanker, or south to a Chinese tanker, oil is going to be the same price.

And the environmental impact is overrated too. Get over it ... human beings live on earth. We build stuff. And sometimes shiat happens. It's not going to be the end of the world.
 
2012-01-26 11:29:30 AM  
I have it on good authority that this pipeline will create at least 1 million permanent, high-paying jobs, and it is totally safe. Why does Obama hate the American worker!?

//the pipeline is going to go through, it's pretty much a done deal. Both sides will use it to score a few points with the base, and then pass it.
 
2012-01-26 11:31:16 AM  
This pipeline will not benefit America or the American people in any way.

It only lines the pockets of the rich and Congressional insiders. Shocking that Republicans are head-over-heals in love with it.

Fark the Keystone pipeline. Tell them to build their farking pipeline across Canada... And good luck with that.
 
2012-01-26 11:31:52 AM  
Disagrees, would like to discuss that concept of States Rights that the GOP seems to be so in favor of.

cinemagumbo.squarespace.com
 
2012-01-26 11:32:18 AM  
Wow, where to begin... 4 years for a $7 billion pipeline that cuts across 6 states is "too long"? These guys really DO like to just rip straight through the scenery without any concerns for the how or what of it, don't they? Considering potential flood, earthquake and tornado issues, I think it would take 4 years just to make sure the thing was safe to begin with, let alone ironing out the nuts and bots of the matter...

Also, as many have mentioned, how do these clueless farks expect to get Obama to not veto this thing in the first place? Of course, they'll probably stick it into something like the defense budget, which should be illegal all by itself anyway.

I might be more willing to listen to their arguments if I could get proof that none of these assclowns was a shill for the oil industry or any others involved in this.
 
2012-01-26 11:32:29 AM  
I thought some of the pipeline is already there?

isnt this to extend it?

into the middle.

of america. jamming pipe straight into the middle of America down to the coast?
 
2012-01-26 11:33:12 AM  

James!: They may as well be pissing on their balls.


Since when is that a BAD thing?
 
2012-01-26 11:33:25 AM  

mod3072: //the pipeline is going to go through, it's pretty much a done deal. Both sides will use it to score a few points with the base, and then pass it.


*notsureifserious* jpg
 
2012-01-26 11:34:05 AM  

Mikey1969: James!: They may as well be pissing on their balls.

Since when is that a BAD thing?


It's certainly not what we're paying them for.
 
2012-01-26 11:34:23 AM  

tnpir: "We fought in World War II in less time than it has taken to decide on this project," shot back Rep. Joe Barton, a Republican. "In all due respect, it is an insult to the American people to say you need more time."

Ah, how shocking that the oil industry and polluter's biggest paid shill could take the American Petroleum Institute dick out of his mouth long enough to say something totally predictable.


That's the clown that stood up and apologized to BP during the gulf oil spill.
 
2012-01-26 11:34:40 AM  

graggor: I thought some of the pipeline is already there?

isnt this to extend it?

into the middle.

of america. jamming pipe straight into the middle of America down to the coast?


The pipeline already goes to Nebraska or Oklahoma (I forget which). The Keystone XL extension would take it all the way to Houston and Port Arthur, where oil from Canada could be shipped off to other countries without much benefit to the US.
 
2012-01-26 11:35:08 AM  

Bag of Hammers: mod3072: //the pipeline is going to go through, it's pretty much a done deal. Both sides will use it to score a few points with the base, and then pass it.

*notsureifserious* jpg


i.qkme.me
 
2012-01-26 11:36:31 AM  

Mikey1969: Wow, where to begin... 4 years for a $7 billion pipeline that cuts across 6 states is "too long"? These guys really DO like to just rip straight through the scenery without any concerns for the how or what of it, don't they? Considering potential flood, earthquake and tornado issues, I think it would take 4 years just to make sure the thing was safe to begin with, let alone ironing out the nuts and bots of the matter...

Also, as many have mentioned, how do these clueless farks expect to get Obama to not veto this thing in the first place? Of course, they'll probably stick it into something like the defense budget, which should be illegal all by itself anyway.

I might be more willing to listen to their arguments if I could get proof that none of these assclowns was a shill for the oil industry or any others involved in this.


Pretty much. The fact is: the project will run over long. We will be locked into completing it. We will be locked into paying more for this than projected. People will profit for locking us into this thing.

That's the point. That's the design. To hook us into this thing. The oil is going to just be gravy, and sold overseas once it gets completed. It's a big shell game, and no one wants you realize where the damn pea is.

Hint: it's not under any of the cups...
 
2012-01-26 11:36:42 AM  
So, the war took over three years. The article only says that Obama delayed his decision in November. Are they counting from the moment of the first application?

Also, how does a bill like that work?
"Let's pass a bill barring the President from vetoing anything!"
VETO
"Damn! I didn't anticipate that!"
 
2012-01-26 11:37:00 AM  
Terry, the bill's sponsor, said transferring authority for the project to FERC was "simply moving authority to an agency that understands pipelines. This legislation means that Keystone will progress in a timely manner and that our country gets the much-needed jobs and energy security that it will bring."

Can someone quantify this? What additional security are we gaining?

None that I can see.
 
2012-01-26 11:37:04 AM  

spiderpaz: The number of permanent jobs it will create is about 200. The 10k jobs crap they keep throwing around is only for the 1-2 years the construction will take, and most of those jobs will go to foreign contractors.


Well, if they're claiming 10k jobs for 2 years, what they mean is 5k 2-year jobs. And those jobs may be "pipeline builder" or it could be "guy who works at the 7-11 down the block from a construction site". And, as you point out, they could be jobs held by a tax-paying American citizen, or a socialism-supporting poutine-eater.

// and I bet that 7-11 will become a Tim Horton's before construction's halfway done
 
2012-01-26 11:39:04 AM  

Bloody William: graggor: I thought some of the pipeline is already there?

isnt this to extend it?

into the middle.

of america. jamming pipe straight into the middle of America down to the coast?

The pipeline already goes to Nebraska or Oklahoma (I forget which). The Keystone XL extension would take it all the way to Houston and Port Arthur, where oil from Canada could be shipped off to other countries without much benefit to the US.



I heard it would be a positive for some reason. I am not sure how. Something about refinieries in the texas area being able to refine the oil and make money from that oil. I dont really know.
 
2012-01-26 11:41:24 AM  

CPennypacker: You are all missing the point. We have hundreds of pipelines across the country. I'm not going to point out what they carry, what they are made of, or what they cross, but we have other pipelines so this one is OK too.


I was in my basement last night and I saw pipelines in the ceiling. WOW! These things are in my own house! And they've never caused me problems. So I'm in favor of the Keystone pipeline.
 
2012-01-26 11:44:03 AM  
Objecting to this on environmental grounds is absurd. Not only will it pass through an already heavily poisoned, defunct ecosystem that was killed by hunters and the plow 120 years ago, and pass over an acquifer that will be drained dry within 25 years anyway, but the Canadians will just sell the stuff to the Chinese if the pipeline project is killed, meaning that all that CO2 pollution will happen no matter what. This is just another case of limousine greens having a big fashion show for nothing while studiously avoiding the root cause of environmental destruction. IOW, it's the same old sh*t. I don't particularly care one way or another, but the self-conscious contortions of these contemporary greens is laughable and, to be honest, contemptible. Self-appointed, feckless, holier-than-thou, and narcissistic.

vinteeage.com
 
2012-01-26 11:44:07 AM  

GameSprocket: So, the war took over three years. The article only says that Obama delayed his decision in November. Are they counting from the moment of the first application?

Also, how does a bill like that work?
"Let's pass a bill barring the President from vetoing anything!"
VETO
"Damn! I didn't anticipate that!"


heehee
 
2012-01-26 11:44:27 AM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: "We fought in World War II in less time than it has taken to decide on this project," shot back Rep. Joe Barton, a Republican. "In all due respect, it is an insult to the American people to say you need more time."

Well gosh, we wouldn't want to give the impression of ramming legislation down your throat or passing a bill without reading it carefully, now would we? The GOP doesn't even bother to flip a coin to decide its complaint-of-the-day anymore - it just takes what it was complaining about yesterday and complains about the opposite.


Remember when they also swore that they'd base every law on the Constitution and cite the specific passage that gave them the authority to pass the law? Good times. Good times.
 
2012-01-26 11:44:28 AM  

Bloody William: The Keystone XL pipeline basically provides a straight shot from Canada to Houston and Port Arthur. It lets the flow of Canadian oil completely bypass the United States until it gets shipped out through Texas. How is it supposed to help our energy needs at all?


Well, if you were bootstrappy, you would just drill a tiny hole in the pipeline as it passes your house, then attach some sort of straw apparatus which would route the oil straight to your home and or car. Then you drink Canada's milkshake.
 
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