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(Miami New Times)   "Alcoholism is a sin too, but you don't see an alcoholic pride parade. Alcoholics hide in little rooms in basements and they go, 'Hi, I'm Fred.'" Gems from Victoria Jackson. Ms. Jackson if you're nasty   (miaminewtimes.com) divider line 182
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2012-01-26 12:40:20 PM
Synopsis of article for the tl;drers

Hard-core religious, none-too-bright parents.
Forced to do gymnastics by dad.
Got attention for gymnastics.
Combined gymnastics and comedy, got on SNL.
Everyone on SNL hated her.
Fired from SNL.
Couldn't get attention via showbiz.
Said something stupid and conservative.
Threw efforts into getting attention by spouting right-wing crap, which is what she believes.
Says stupid conservative stuff.
 
2012-01-26 12:40:55 PM
Born in 1959, Victoria lived in the shadow of her tormented aunt. Marlene was convinced her daughter could avoid schizophrenia only if she became an extreme extrovert.

Am I alone in thinking that Mom's little remedy didn't work?
 
2012-01-26 12:41:24 PM

bobbette: LouDobbsAwaaaay: kukukupo: I think she's crazy, but I agree with her on this.

You think there's no thing as a an alcoholic pride parade? You never heard of Mardi Gras or St. Patrick's Day?

I think Mardi Gras is technically straight pride (thus the separate gay Mardi Gras festivals)

That or maybe the thing with the Maypoles... does anyone do that anymore?



Easter. A fertility celebration seems pretty much geared towards straight people.
 
2012-01-26 12:41:38 PM

Lord Dimwit: HighOnCraic: Lumpmoose: Lord Dimwit: timujin: thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.

That means you, Vicki, even if they're homos.

To be fair, the Bible does say homosexuality is a sin. Of course, it says a lot of things. No eating blood, for example.

In fact, the Council of Jerusalem, as described in Acts, tried to determine how much of the Torah would apply to Gentile converts to Christianity (since Christianity was at that time considered nothing more than one of many Jewish sects). The Council determined that idolatry, eating blood, and fornication. We can probably safely assume that the Council included homosexual sex under fornication.

Anyway, point being, people who say that homosexuality is a sin in Christianity are completely correct. It's also a sin to eat a rare steak, but you don't see them getting all up in arms about that, do you? It's called hypocrisy.

(And to make sure my words aren't taken out of context: I'm not saying homosexuality is wrong. I'm saying Christianity defines it as such, and that Christianity is, on this point, wrong. Also that Christians who complain about homosexuality and don't complain about eating bloody steak are hypocrites.)

And if Christians did oppose the eating of bloody steaks, would they run expensive, highly coordinated political campaigns to ban bloody steaks in state constitutions across the US? Catholics aren't even trying to get a nationwide ban on divorce (except for Santorum, probably). It's not only theocratic bullshiat, it's selective and bigoted theocratic bullshiat.

I'm pretty sure Santorum has come out against all non-procreative sex. Dan Savage made an excellent point when he warned that if conservatives can outlaw gay sex, they will also outlaw non-procreative straight sex. I can't wait for the uproar when men are forced to have their vasectomies reversed. . .

To be fair, the only type of sexual prohibition carried over from the Old Testament to the New was "fornication", along ...


I"m pretty sure Onan's sin was spilling his seed to prevent Tamar from getting pregnant (and he was required to impregnate her because she had been married to his brother, who died before giving her a child).

From wiki:

Classical views

Early writers have sometimes focused on the spilling seed, and the sexual act being used for non-procreational purposes. One opinion expressed in the Talmud argues that this was where the death penalty's imposition originated.[18] This interpretation was held by several early Christian apologists. Jerome, for example, argued:

"But I wonder why he the heretic Jovinianus set Judah and Tamar before us for an example, unless perchance even harlots give him pleasure; or Onan, who was slain because he grudged his brother his seed. Does he imagine that we approve of any sexual intercourse except for the procreation of children?"[19]

Clement of Alexandria, while not making explicit reference to Onan, similarly reflects an early Christian view of the abhorrence of '"spilling seed'":

"Because of its divine institution for the propagation of man, the seed is not to be vainly ejaculated, nor is it to be damaged, nor is it to be wasted"[20]

"To have coitus other than to procreate children is to do injury to nature"[21]

Birth control has only been legal in the U.S. since '65 ('72 for unmarried couples).
 
2012-01-26 12:42:56 PM

fracto73: Easter. A fertility celebration seems pretty much geared towards straight people




Well it isn't like gay people are denied chocolate bunnies...
 
2012-01-26 12:42:57 PM

HeartBurnKid: Of course there are alcoholic pride parades. They happen every March 17th.



Don't forget cinco de mayo and spring break, while not parades, alcoholism is celebrated.
 
2012-01-26 12:42:58 PM
Alcoholism is a sin too, but you don't see an alcoholic pride parade.

Yes you do, It's called Saturday night.
 
2012-01-26 12:44:20 PM

tricycleracer: CPennypacker: I can't wait until they 100% prove that homosexuality is genetic, which will end this "homosexuality is a sin" BS the right will ignore because the study was done by elitist academics

They'll do a 180 on their genetic engineering stance.


Or they will do genetic screening before the babbies are born to see if their children will be born gay, or if they have to make some test tube babbies they can go Gatica on it.
 
2012-01-26 12:46:54 PM

timujin: LandStander: The conversation swerves to Obama's chances for re-election. "I think he has a good chance," Victoria says, "because the Latins will vote for him. The illegal aliens will vote for him."

The "Latins"? These guys?
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That's got to be a typo from the transcript FFS. That's got to be a typo. Please tell me so.
 
2012-01-26 12:47:36 PM

TheKnownUniverse: "It's OK to be a liberal and be fat," she complains. "You've got Oprah, Rosie, you've got Joy Behar, you've got Whoopi, you've got the other ones on The View. [Or] if you're black, you're allowed to be fat, and that's sassy, sexy."

Sweet, I found a loophole! Nobody ever makes fun of those ladies because of their weight.


Yeah, I remember the outrage when David Letterman made a joke about Bill Clinton's weight in the 90s, and the FEMA helicopters descended on midtown Manhattan. Oh wait. . .

/Seriously, no one ever made fun of Oprah's weight? That's where she's making her stand on reverse-racism?
 
2012-01-26 12:47:42 PM

Lord Dimwit: Anyway, point being, people who say that homosexuality is a sin in Christianity are completely correct. It's also a sin to eat a rare steak, but you don't see them getting all up in arms about that, do you? It's called hypocrisy.


Dumbest comparison ever. Clearly a bunch of rules were solely designed for people who didn't know about food contamination. We in a modern age are sufficiently knowledgeable to identify what meats are suitable for eating raw. The bible also says farking animals is wrong, yet for some reason our modern views still back that one up. I'm not one to tell you how to live your life, but at the same time, you shouldn't try to convince anyone that you're farked up preferences are "equally valid".

i39.tinypic.com
/because they're not
 
2012-01-26 12:48:14 PM

Lord Dimwit: Shaggy_C: Do you think a city would give a permit for a straight sex parade?

...yes? They give permits for all sorts of things. Irish Pride, the freaking Klan...all sorts of stuff. I think if someone wanted to get a permit for a "Straight Pride Parade", it would probably be granted. Of course, the chances of it being an actual celebration of heterosexual love (which, I will admit, is pretty nifty, at lease for me) are slim - it would much more likely be a bigoted hatefest. Even if it were the latter, though, it would still get a permit - look at all the stupid Klan rallies, for example.

A question to you: is the St. Patrick's Day Parade racist against non-Irish? What about the Cherry Blossom Festival in DC? Is that racist against non-Japanese? Or could it just be that people are celebrating their culture, as defined by common interests and shared history?


Actually, the NYC St. Patrick's Day Parade explicitly forbids gay groups, regardless of their Irishness. It's gotten so bad that a gay Irish-American NYC council member couldn't march with a pride pin (she marched in Dublin instead) and the President of Ireland herself turned down the Grand Marshal offer for the 250th anniversary parade on suspicion that it would taint her gay cred back home. So NYC Irish now officially think they're more Irish than the Irish themselves.
 
2012-01-26 12:51:09 PM

HighOnCraic: Lord Dimwit: HighOnCraic: Lumpmoose: Lord Dimwit: timujin: thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.

That means you, Vicki, even if they're homos.

To be fair, the Bible does say homosexuality is a sin. Of course, it says a lot of things. No eating blood, for example.

In fact, the Council of Jerusalem, as described in Acts, tried to determine how much of the Torah would apply to Gentile converts to Christianity (since Christianity was at that time considered nothing more than one of many Jewish sects). The Council determined that idolatry, eating blood, and fornication. We can probably safely assume that the Council included homosexual sex under fornication.

Anyway, point being, people who say that homosexuality is a sin in Christianity are completely correct. It's also a sin to eat a rare steak, but you don't see them getting all up in arms about that, do you? It's called hypocrisy.

(And to make sure my words aren't taken out of context: I'm not saying homosexuality is wrong. I'm saying Christianity defines it as such, and that Christianity is, on this point, wrong. Also that Christians who complain about homosexuality and don't complain about eating bloody steak are hypocrites.)

And if Christians did oppose the eating of bloody steaks, would they run expensive, highly coordinated political campaigns to ban bloody steaks in state constitutions across the US? Catholics aren't even trying to get a nationwide ban on divorce (except for Santorum, probably). It's not only theocratic bullshiat, it's selective and bigoted theocratic bullshiat.

I'm pretty sure Santorum has come out against all non-procreative sex. Dan Savage made an excellent point when he warned that if conservatives can outlaw gay sex, they will also outlaw non-procreative straight sex. I can't wait for the uproar when men are forced to have their vasectomies reversed. . .

To be fair, the only type of sexual prohibition carried over from the Old Testament to the New was "fornica ...


Right, I was going by the letter of the law, as it were.

I've always viewed Onan's sin as disobeying God. It wasn't the spilling of his seed, it was the spilling of his seed after he was told not to. In my interpretation (not that I'm a Father of the Church like, say, any of those people you mentioned), spilling your seed is fine so long as you weren't explicitly told not to. :)

(Once again, that's my interpretation within the framework of Judaism and Christianity, and I am neither a Jew nor a Christian, just an Armchair Theologian, so...)
 
2012-01-26 12:51:37 PM

DammitIForgotMyLogin: Marcus Aurelius: How about gluttony, Ms. Jackson? The bible actually singles that one out, you fat pig.

The Bible thinks that saying bad things about the father who abused you is a sin, but that slavery is perfectly acceptable. I really don't see why it should be help up as any sort of source of morals.


Uhh, citation needed, although I'm guessing you're either assuming that "Honor thy parents" from the Big 10 is absolute (it's not) or there's some part I'm not remembering.

There's nothing in the Ten Commandments that says "Even if they abused you, you must honor your parents". As far as I'm aware, that's for ideal scenarios, where neither parent has neglected (or outright rejected/controverted) their duties.

Also, "slavery" in the Bible means getting a good bed to sleep on (at least as good as Massa's bed - the better one, if only the two are available), not being worked to the point of exhaustion/death (though a slave is not counted as a person for community functions like prayer, and the penalty for killing a slave is not death), having a defined work period (every 7th year, or 50th in certain circumstances, ALL slaves go free).

Read your Bible, sirs. There's plenty of objectionable stuff in there, but shoehorning in misunderstandings just makes you look uninformed.
 
2012-01-26 12:53:30 PM
Can someone post a link to her nude photos in case some of us want to do something sinful??
 
2012-01-26 12:54:23 PM
Victoria finally got her bachelor's degree in theater in 2010, at Palm Beach Atlantic University.

Man, if I was a PBU alum, I'd be more embarrassed about that than I am about the fact that the guy who shot John Lennon went to my alma mater.

/one of my cousins has a dance degree from there
 
2012-01-26 12:54:55 PM

Dr Dreidel: Uhh, citation needed, although I'm guessing you're either assuming that "Honor thy parents" from the Big 10 is absolute (it's not) or there's some part I'm not remembering.


I always thought the Big 10 were absolutes. That's why they're the Big 10.
 
2012-01-26 12:56:31 PM
But calling her the lunatic fringe is at most half right. Victoria has been invited to the office of Republican Florida congressman Bill Posey, who commiserated when she said Obama has "the fakest birth certificate I've ever seen in my life." She has gained a sympathetic audience with nearly every GOP candidate of the 2012 presidential campaign (excluding the guy she calls a "fake conservative," Mitt Romney). She rode the Tea Party Express bus with Herman Cain and joined Michele Bachmann at a D.C. rally

And herein lies the problem.
 
2012-01-26 12:56:44 PM
Every time I hear this woman's insane rantings, I get angrier at Ronald Reagan for dismantling the mental heath care system in this country. Someone like her should be in a nice facility, being treated for her illness. If the information about her aunt and schizophrenia is true, that should be a red flag for a lot of people.
 
2012-01-26 12:57:01 PM
Damn it, Otto. You have lupus.
 
2012-01-26 12:58:35 PM

Lord Dimwit: HighOnCraic: Lord Dimwit: HighOnCraic: Lumpmoose: Lord Dimwit: timujin: thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.

That means you, Vicki, even if they're homos.

To be fair, the Bible does say homosexuality is a sin. Of course, it says a lot of things. No eating blood, for example.

In fact, the Council of Jerusalem, as described in Acts, tried to determine how much of the Torah would apply to Gentile converts to Christianity (since Christianity was at that time considered nothing more than one of many Jewish sects). The Council determined that idolatry, eating blood, and fornication. We can probably safely assume that the Council included homosexual sex under fornication.

Anyway, point being, people who say that homosexuality is a sin in Christianity are completely correct. It's also a sin to eat a rare steak, but you don't see them getting all up in arms about that, do you? It's called hypocrisy.

(And to make sure my words aren't taken out of context: I'm not saying homosexuality is wrong. I'm saying Christianity defines it as such, and that Christianity is, on this point, wrong. Also that Christians who complain about homosexuality and don't complain about eating bloody steak are hypocrites.)

And if Christians did oppose the eating of bloody steaks, would they run expensive, highly coordinated political campaigns to ban bloody steaks in state constitutions across the US? Catholics aren't even trying to get a nationwide ban on divorce (except for Santorum, probably). It's not only theocratic bullshiat, it's selective and bigoted theocratic bullshiat.

I'm pretty sure Santorum has come out against all non-procreative sex. Dan Savage made an excellent point when he warned that if conservatives can outlaw gay sex, they will also outlaw non-procreative straight sex. I can't wait for the uproar when men are forced to have their vasectomies reversed. . .

To be fair, the only type of sexual prohibition carried over from the Old Testament to the New ...


Onan was obligated to get Tamar pregnant; failing to do so was his sin.

After Onan's brother Er died, his father Judah told him to fulfill his duty as a brother-in-law to Tamar, by giving her offspring. Centuries later, in the days of Moses, this practice was formulated into a law of a Levirate marriage, where the brother of the deceased would provide offspring to the childless widow [2] to preserve the family line.[1]

However, when Onan had sex with Tamar, he disregarded this principle when he withdrew before climax[3] and "spilled his seed (or semen) on the ground", since any child born would not legally be considered his heir.[4] This he did several times,[5] disregarding the principle of a Levirate union, and was accordingly sentenced to death by Yahweh for this wickedness.
 
2012-01-26 01:00:52 PM

hubiestubert: Victoria, you haven't seen a St. Patrick's Day parade?


yeah the pub crawls during St Paddy's day are great. Mardi Gras is also a celebration of alcohol.
 
2012-01-26 01:01:52 PM

HighOnCraic: Lord Dimwit: HighOnCraic: Lord Dimwit: HighOnCraic: Lumpmoose: Lord Dimwit: timujin: thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.

That means you, Vicki, even if they're homos.

To be fair, the Bible does say homosexuality is a sin. Of course, it says a lot of things. No eating blood, for example.

In fact, the Council of Jerusalem, as described in Acts, tried to determine how much of the Torah would apply to Gentile converts to Christianity (since Christianity was at that time considered nothing more than one of many Jewish sects). The Council determined that idolatry, eating blood, and fornication. We can probably safely assume that the Council included homosexual sex under fornication.

Anyway, point being, people who say that homosexuality is a sin in Christianity are completely correct. It's also a sin to eat a rare steak, but you don't see them getting all up in arms about that, do you? It's called hypocrisy.

(And to make sure my words aren't taken out of context: I'm not saying homosexuality is wrong. I'm saying Christianity defines it as such, and that Christianity is, on this point, wrong. Also that Christians who complain about homosexuality and don't complain about eating bloody steak are hypocrites.)

And if Christians did oppose the eating of bloody steaks, would they run expensive, highly coordinated political campaigns to ban bloody steaks in state constitutions across the US? Catholics aren't even trying to get a nationwide ban on divorce (except for Santorum, probably). It's not only theocratic bullshiat, it's selective and bigoted theocratic bullshiat.

I'm pretty sure Santorum has come out against all non-procreative sex. Dan Savage made an excellent point when he warned that if conservatives can outlaw gay sex, they will also outlaw non-procreative straight sex. I can't wait for the uproar when men are forced to have their vasectomies reversed. . .

To be fair, the only type of sexual prohibition carried over from the Old Testame ...


Right, I'm saying his sin was disobeying the order from God, not the spilling his seed. If he had just been wanking it and spilled it on the ground, I don't think God would've killed him. It was spilling it on the ground when he was told to impregnate Tamar that was his sin, IMHO.
 
2012-01-26 01:05:42 PM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: Dumbest comparison ever. Clearly a bunch of rules were solely designed for people who didn't know about food contamination.


There were a lot of other differences too. For example, child mortality was ridiculously high, meaning anybody that wasn't reproducing wasn't contributing to the survival of the community. These days the opposite is true; we are overpopulated.

It's amazing that you can acknowledge the differences between their society then and ours now when it comes to the food rules, but not when it comes to other rules.
 
2012-01-26 01:07:52 PM
Oh, and Vicki-

Alcoholism's only a sin if you're a Puritan Protestant. Or Southern Baptist. The only Old Testament discussion of "alcoholism" is "You're not allowed to perform Temple services while under the influence" - the implication is alcohol, but it's a bit open-ended to prohibit, for example, trying to sacrifice an animal while tripping balls.

Anything else is just what later people added to those rules, or additions to "keep yourself holy" (which isn't about alcohol at all). You'll notice that basically every Biblical figure imbibes at some point of another - Abe, Ike, Jake, the kids, Mo, Aaron, Josh, Saul, Dave, Solly...
 
2012-01-26 01:12:59 PM

Jairzinho: timujin: LandStander: The conversation swerves to Obama's chances for re-election. "I think he has a good chance," Victoria says, "because the Latins will vote for him. The illegal aliens will vote for him."

The "Latins"? These guys?
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That's got to be a typo from the transcript FFS. That's got to be a typo. Please tell me so.


Just so you know, in South Florida, Cubans are NOT Hispanic. Nobody is Hispanic except those dirty Mexicans. So if you're a little dark or have a Spanish sounding name, the polite thing to say is "are you Latin?"

/serious as a heart attack
//themoreyouknow.jpg
 
2012-01-26 01:15:27 PM
I can't believe this thread is focusing almost exclusively on the alcoholism/gay pride thing, and not one of the dozen other much, much crazier things in this article...

...for instance the fact that Victoria Jackson's father essentially disowned his own son because he wasn't the right body type to round out his dream male/female gymnastics duo, which he referred to as "Adagio."

Jesus Christ, people. Submitter's quote is the least crazy part about this whole thing. For once, RT whole FA. You will not be disappointed.
 
2012-01-26 01:20:55 PM

HeartBurnKid: Dr Dreidel: Uhh, citation needed, although I'm guessing you're either assuming that "Honor thy parents" from the Big 10 is absolute (it's not) or there's some part I'm not remembering.

I always thought the Big 10 were absolutes. That's why they're the Big 10.


So "do not murder" means it's totally NOT cool to murder someone convicted of a capital crime? That no Jewish state should ever declare war on anyone? That "keeping the Sabbath" means letting a person die rather than call an ambulance?

The Big 10 are the basic rules. That's not to say that they are all-encompassing or that they were specifically defined. It's a bit like the 9th/10th Amendments - the words are not self-limiting, and they are still subject to interpretation and explanation, same as any other. It's just that, if you had to distill the basics of a Jewish society, those are the 10 starting points.

There is some discussion, Maimonedes IIRC, about whether a parent who abdicates their duty to their children is even called a "parent" at all. Specifically, because the Talmud specifically outlines what the duties of a parent are to their children, a parent failing in those duties is "relieved of their role" as a parent, so to speak, so the commandment to "honor" appears to be targeted more at those who nurture your growth into adulthood. Typically, these are parents.

Modern opinions (again, IIRC) seem to suggest that adoptive parents are to be honored under the law, simply because they assume the duties of parents.
 
2012-01-26 01:23:36 PM

Lord Dimwit: HighOnCraic: Lord Dimwit: HighOnCraic: Lord Dimwit: HighOnCraic: Lumpmoose: Lord Dimwit: timujin: thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.

That means you, Vicki, even if they're homos.

To be fair, the Bible does say homosexuality is a sin. Of course, it says a lot of things. No eating blood, for example.

In fact, the Council of Jerusalem, as described in Acts, tried to determine how much of the Torah would apply to Gentile converts to Christianity (since Christianity was at that time considered nothing more than one of many Jewish sects). The Council determined that idolatry, eating blood, and fornication. We can probably safely assume that the Council included homosexual sex under fornication.

Anyway, point being, people who say that homosexuality is a sin in Christianity are completely correct. It's also a sin to eat a rare steak, but you don't see them getting all up in arms about that, do you? It's called hypocrisy.

(And to make sure my words aren't taken out of context: I'm not saying homosexuality is wrong. I'm saying Christianity defines it as such, and that Christianity is, on this point, wrong. Also that Christians who complain about homosexuality and don't complain about eating bloody steak are hypocrites.)

And if Christians did oppose the eating of bloody steaks, would they run expensive, highly coordinated political campaigns to ban bloody steaks in state constitutions across the US? Catholics aren't even trying to get a nationwide ban on divorce (except for Santorum, probably). It's not only theocratic bullshiat, it's selective and bigoted theocratic bullshiat.

I'm pretty sure Santorum has come out against all non-procreative sex. Dan Savage made an excellent point when he warned that if conservatives can outlaw gay sex, they will also outlaw non-procreative straight sex. I can't wait for the uproar when men are forced to have their vasectomies reversed. . .

To be fair, the only type of sexual prohibition carried over from th ...


Right, and that's where the Biblical justification for banning contraception comes from. Not that I agree with using that as a basis for public policy, but that's the main idea behind it.

/Ironically, Tamar's solution was to dress up like a prostitute and seduce her drunken father-in-law. Funny how that part got skipped over in "Joseph and the Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat."
 
2012-01-26 01:24:25 PM
The Bible aslo is okey-dokey with two daughters "laying" with their drunk dad.

Actually, that might explain alot about this woman.
 
2012-01-26 01:27:10 PM
6 pages about Victoria Jackson?!? fark that!
 
2012-01-26 01:30:45 PM

RevLovejoy: The Bible aslo is okey-dokey with two daughters "laying" with their drunk dad.

Actually, that might explain alot about this woman.


No, the Bible is pretty clear that Lot's daughters were committing incest, and that that was not to be emulated.

Do you people even read the Bible? Or is it like a gigantic game of telephone (which, I know, the Bible sort of is as well), where when someone says "Bible says this dude got it on with his daughters" and two hops later it becomes "Bible says if you don't bang both your daughters, God will smite your dick with leprosy"?

Really. As I've said many times - there are plenty of things to get het up about in the Bible without inventing more.
 
2012-01-26 01:33:35 PM

Dr Dreidel: RevLovejoy: The Bible aslo is okey-dokey with two daughters "laying" with their drunk dad.

Actually, that might explain alot about this woman.

No, the Bible is pretty clear that Lot's daughters were committing incest, and that that was not to be emulated.

Do you people even read the Bible? Or is it like a gigantic game of telephone (which, I know, the Bible sort of is as well), where when someone says "Bible says this dude got it on with his daughters" and two hops later it becomes "Bible says if you don't bang both your daughters, God will smite your dick with leprosy"?

Really. As I've said many times - there are plenty of things to get het up about in the Bible without inventing more.


What are your thoughts on the story of Tamar and Judah?
 
2012-01-26 01:39:08 PM

Dr Dreidel: So "do not murder" means it's totally NOT cool to murder someone convicted of a capital crime? That no Jewish state should ever declare war on anyone? That "keeping the Sabbath" means letting a person die rather than call an ambulance?


Woah there, cowboy. I didn't write the things, and I sure as hell don't follow them (I'm an atheist). I just have to smirk a little when somebody talks about how inviolate Biblical law is when they themselves break the 10 biggest laws on a regular basis.
 
2012-01-26 01:39:14 PM
"Marlene was convinced her daughter could avoid schizophrenia"

I have a strong feeling that her mother was horribly wrong...
 
2012-01-26 01:40:39 PM
Lorne Michaels is just waiting until she dies so he can finally admit he gave her and Piscopo the office with the gas leak.
 
2012-01-26 01:41:00 PM

CPennypacker: I can't wait until they 100% prove that homosexuality is genetic, which will end this "homosexuality is a sin" BS the right will ignore because the study was done by elitist academics


They know it is. There are plenty of parents in the church that see their pre-pubescent boys twinkling already to not know they were born that way. The sin is acting on those feelings. So you can be the gayest gay that ever gayed at church as long as you ask Jeebus to keep you from sucking those dicks you so want to suck. Basically, they never want gays to have a meaningful, loving relationship with another human because that's the part that makes Baby Jesus cry tears of blood.
 
2012-01-26 01:42:05 PM

Dr Dreidel: RevLovejoy: The Bible aslo is okey-dokey with two daughters "laying" with their drunk dad.

Actually, that might explain alot about this woman.

No, the Bible is pretty clear that Lot's daughters were committing incest, and that that was not to be emulated.

Do you people even read the Bible? Or is it like a gigantic game of telephone (which, I know, the Bible sort of is as well), where when someone says "Bible says this dude got it on with his daughters" and two hops later it becomes "Bible says if you don't bang both your daughters, God will smite your dick with leprosy"?

Really. As I've said many times - there are plenty of things to get het up about in the Bible without inventing more.


You're right on this, but I was going for a Bible based joke which would combine alcohol, crazy people, and incest and this was what came to mind.

Details!
 
2012-01-26 01:50:02 PM

HeartBurnKid: BraveNewCheneyWorld: Dumbest comparison ever. Clearly a bunch of rules were solely designed for people who didn't know about food contamination.

There were a lot of other differences too. For example, child mortality was ridiculously high, meaning anybody that wasn't reproducing wasn't contributing to the survival of the community. These days the opposite is true; we are overpopulated.

It's amazing that you can acknowledge the differences between their society then and ours now when it comes to the food rules, but not when it comes to other rules.


It's really not that amazing. Saying things simply to get a rise out of people is something even a child can do.
 
2012-01-26 01:51:36 PM

HighOnCraic: Dr Dreidel: Really. As I've said many times - there are plenty of things to get het up about in the Bible without inventing more.

What are your thoughts on the story of Tamar and Judah?


I've heard both answers - that Onan's sin was in not impregnating his new wife (his dead brother's wife) per God's command; and that Onan's sin was in "wasting" his sperm. The prevailing opinion is that the sin was wasting his sperm, but it's not a one-sided debate.

Personally, I think that disobeying God's command to get his new wife preggers was the bigger misstep. The whole idea of yibum> is to continue your dead brother's family line (it only applies if your brother had no sons), so either interpretation is consistent with the text.

// there's a separate Biblical rule about not wasting things in general, but I've heard that, since masturbation relieves stress (among other positive things it does for your body/mind) it's not really a "waste"

HeartBurnKid: Dr Dreidel: So "do not murder" means it's totally NOT cool to murder someone convicted of a capital crime? That no Jewish state should ever declare war on anyone? That "keeping the Sabbath" means letting a person die rather than call an ambulance?

Woah there, cowboy. I didn't write the things, and I sure as hell don't follow them (I'm an atheist). I just have to smirk a little when somebody talks about how inviolate Biblical law is when they themselves break the 10 biggest laws on a regular basis.


I gave up following the religion of my youth as well. Doesn't mean I didn't retain all those 16 years of schooling. That shiat's hard to forget.

So if all I did was disabuse you of the notion that the Big 10 are explicitly stated and inviolate, I'll consider it a good effort. I certainly didn't mean to jump up your nose (and I apologize if you felt that way) - that's why I included all the explanatory text.
 
2012-01-26 01:54:11 PM

HeartBurnKid: BraveNewCheneyWorld: Dumbest comparison ever. Clearly a bunch of rules were solely designed for people who didn't know about food contamination.

There were a lot of other differences too. For example, child mortality was ridiculously high, meaning anybody that wasn't reproducing wasn't contributing to the survival of the community. These days the opposite is true; we are overpopulated.

It's amazing that you can acknowledge the differences between their society then and ours now when it comes to the food rules, but not when it comes to other rules.


I always loved Friedman's commentary on the "be fruitful and multiply and fill the Earth" commandment: "this commandment has been fulfilled."
 
2012-01-26 01:55:15 PM
After that article I can't help but feel personally responsible for this woman's current state. Bad fark. No cookie.
 
2012-01-26 01:55:57 PM

Dr Dreidel: The prevailing opinion is that the sin was wasting his sperm


Which is completely idiotic. That's like stealing a cake, getting caught, and learning the lesson to never eat cake.
 
2012-01-26 02:05:53 PM
I haven't read the entire thread, so maybe this has been brought up...but I'm fairly certain her dad is DEEP in the closet.
 
2012-01-26 02:05:56 PM
If she was being a complete troll.... that whole article .... the last five or so years..... then this woman is about to be really rich. Because that's comedy gold. She could write books and the masses would eat it up.

I mean really? Her dad was a gymnast? And he isn't gay. And he's even homophobic. And her brother ...... might be gay and fat..... and the father hates fat people too? And the Mom is crazy.... but sounds like the sanest of them all.

Come on.... this is a setup for a comedy..... It's essentially All in the Family with Victoria as the main character.

Sadly, I don't think she is. She's just a sad pathetic person who's trying to make money.
 
2012-01-26 02:09:27 PM

Needlessly Complicated: yogaFLAME: She has gained a sympathetic audience with nearly every GOP candidate of the 2012 presidential campaign (excluding the guy she calls a "fake conservative," Mitt Romney).

Aha. Ms. Jackson is clearly a double reverse credibility gambit by Mr. Romney.

Are the reverse vampires and the saucer people somehow involved?


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2012-01-26 02:09:39 PM

GhostFish: Dr Dreidel: The prevailing opinion is that the sin was wasting his sperm

Which is completely idiotic. That's like stealing a cake, getting caught, and learning the lesson to never eat cake.


I'm not saying I agree (in fact, I pointed out where I disagree). I'm saying, according to the majority of Orthodox opinions I'm aware of, that's the interpretation. According to a minority (but a significant and growing minority), Onan's sin was simply not fulfilling his obligations to his brother (i.e. getting Tamar pregnant), and if he had refused to see her outright, he'd have suffered the same fate.

I remember very clearly when the NP (she might have been a PA) they brought in to teach us Health (yep - a single class session, in the 11th grade, devoted to health and hygiene) told us about the masturbation thing. We were all a bit surprised that she wasn't giving us the company line about "wasting seed".
 
2012-01-26 02:11:59 PM
I honestly do think that Victoria Jackson did develop a mental illness sometime in the last decade, or else she decided that crazy was the way to make money. It was probably about ten years ago that I read a Q&A interview with her in the Christian humor/satire magazine "The Door" (they spend most of their time mocking televangelists with some interviews and things thrown in for good measure), and while she was definitely very much in the "conservative Christian" camp, she came across as sane and well-spoken. From what I recall, she talked intelligently about the entertainment industry, her place in that industry, and trying to balance her religious convictions with what it took to be successful, and it came across as well thought out and entirely coherent.

People really need to be encouraging her to get mental help instead of encouraging her paranoid conspiracy theories. It's kind of sad.
 
2012-01-26 02:14:51 PM
Actually alcoholism is more or less frowned upon in the scriptures and commentaries, not outright proscribed. People who are weakened by work in the fields can have wine and red meat, just not to excess, if it can be avoided.
 
2012-01-26 02:16:21 PM
Does it make me a bad person for not feeling the least bit sorry for this coont?
 
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