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2012-01-26 08:50:33 AM
It's not about forgiveness.

It's about if you think he can do the job.

On a few levels, Gingrich fails for me. His record is part of that. His temper is a part of that. His policy decisions have been a part of that. At his core, he has that air of dickishness and fatuousness that doesn't scream dignity, and worse, it is a core of petulance that negates him from consideration from office. His inability to keep promises IS at the core of things, and his affairs are a symptom of that. Not the cause. His ethics violations are a symptom. His hypocrisy on pot is a symptom.

At his heart, he doesn't believe that the rules apply to him, only other people. That disqualifies him from office, and it is that core belief that he is inherently different and above such petty concerns that will keep him from even consideration for the job. We don't need a President who thinks that they're above the law. Newt doesn't believe that he should be bound by it now, let alone if we put him in office.

Ultimately, he brings shame to the game.
 
2012-01-26 09:04:03 AM
I don't care if he was caught with his dick in a horse. Even a male horse. He would be a horrible President.
 
2012-01-26 09:07:19 AM
The only requirement to vote for Gingrich is being a dumbass. It also helps to a hypocrite, a dick, a racist, a misogynist, and a liar.
 
2012-01-26 09:12:53 AM
Forgive him for what? He's done nothing to me personally that needs forgiveness. It's a matter of whether I think a megalomanic with an inflated sense of his own importance and intelligence who has horrible ideas about governance and zero sense of empathy should be running the executive branch of government.

And the answer to that is "no, I do not."
 
2012-01-26 09:34:25 AM
Hath not a Newt eyes?
 
2012-01-26 09:38:58 AM
...although I don't care about his personal life, it does point to his hypocrisy. And he threw a childish hissy fit when someone asked him about it in one of the debates. The moderator buckled like a belt.
 
2012-01-26 10:53:17 AM
He stopped the government in 1995 over not getting to sit in the front of the plane. Pretty much sums up his career. Petulant selfish asshat.
 
2012-01-26 11:19:43 AM
Sorry Newt, your personal plenary indulgence doesn't change you from being an amoral scumsucker.
 
2012-01-26 11:19:54 AM
After seeing the turnaround around against Newt in Florida, I am somewhat relieved he will not be the Republican candidate.
 
2012-01-26 11:21:55 AM
Come on, 'baggers. You know you want him.
 
2012-01-26 11:22:14 AM
Quagdingo: After seeing the turnaround around against Newt in Florida, I am somewhat relieved he will not be the Republican candidate.

The freepers are in a quandry as their favorite pollster, Rasmussen, put Romney firmly in the lead in Florida.
 
2012-01-26 11:24:05 AM
Mitt Romney is "flip-flopping"? Gingrich has changed religions and married three women.

That should be made into a commercial.
 
2012-01-26 11:25:46 AM
I'm voting for Newt in the Florida Primary next week.

I think he's a sociopathic piece of human garbage, sure, but I want to help contribute to the total meltdown of the GOP.
 
2012-01-26 11:26:27 AM
Quagdingo: After seeing the turnaround around against Newt in Florida, I am somewhat relieved he will not be the Republican candidate.

I'm pissed he cratered this quick. I want a brokered convention for maximum lulz.
 
2012-01-26 11:26:38 AM
www.emagill.com

To know him is to love him is to know him is to forgive him is to vote for him?
 
2012-01-26 11:28:54 AM
I'm confused

You won't be after this episode of Soap.
 
2012-01-26 11:29:51 AM
Newt is THE candidate to stick it to the libs.
 
2012-01-26 11:30:13 AM
Gingrich's major flaw (other than being wrong on most policy issues, but that applies to all the Republican Presidential candidates) is his strong temper. That is a personality trait that is incompatible with being President.
 
2012-01-26 11:31:19 AM
Newt is a giant bag of shiat. He's a reprehensible human being. No amount of church-going is ever going to cure him of that. He was a bag of shiat then and he still is one today and he will be one until the day he dies.

No, he wouldn't make a good President because he inspires his co-workers to hate him. We've all seen people like this on the job. They are self-important cockbags that feel like they've got all the right answers and everybody else doesn't know what the hell they're doing. Newt would be a terrible President, and anybody that thinks he would be a good one really needs to have their head examined.
 
2012-01-26 11:31:56 AM
For conservatives, Newt's sin is his fickle pickle.

For everyone else, Newt's sin is his hypocrisy.

Conservatives do not get offended by hypocrisy. If they did there would be no conservatives.
 
2012-01-26 11:32:17 AM
Jake Havechek: Quagdingo: After seeing the turnaround around against Newt in Florida, I am somewhat relieved he will not be the Republican candidate.

The freepers are in a quandry as their favorite pollster, Rasmussen, put Romney firmly in the lead in Florida.


Well, it was fun while it lasted.
 
2012-01-26 11:33:11 AM
You don't need to forgive him because he didn't break any laws.
 
2012-01-26 11:33:20 AM
GAT_00: Quagdingo: After seeing the turnaround around against Newt in Florida, I am somewhat relieved he will not be the Republican candidate.

I'm pissed he cratered this quick. I want a brokered convention for maximum lulz.


Well, my thinking is that he could turn up the wharrgarbl a bit more (just a bit). Perhaps he could get that momentum back, but I highly doubt it.
 
2012-01-26 11:36:12 AM
"We had oral sex. He prefers that modus operandi because then he can say, 'I never slept with her.'" - Anne Manning (who was also married at the time.)

"We would have won in 1974 if we could have kept him out of the office, screwing her [a young volunteer] on the desk." - Dot Crews, his campaign scheduler at the time

[In the book] "Men Who Hate Women and the Women Who Love Them", "found frightening pieces that related to my own life." - Newt.

"I think you can write a psychological profile of me that says I found a way to immerse my insecurities in a cause large enough to justify whatever I wanted it to." - Newt, speaking to Gail Sheehy.

"She isn't young enough or pretty enough to be the President's wife. And besides, she has cancer." - Newt, on his first wife (Jackie, his high school teacher)

"I don't want him to be president and I don't think he should be." - Newt's second wife Marianne.

"He treats me really nicely, buys me all these ices. Dolce & Gabbana, Fendi and that Donna, Karan, he be sharin' All that money got me wearin'" -- Callista? No wait, that's Fergie, "My Humps"

"She [Callista] is the single most self-centered person I've run into in politics-it's all about her. They do these movies together, and she does a word count: she has to have the same number of words on camera as he does or they have to reshoot. ...And Callista did not want him to run for President. That's why he had to buy her so much damn jewelry." - an unnamed "former strategist." Will Rogers, Newt's ex-Iowa strategist has denied it was him.

"If the country today were to move to the left, Newt would sense it before it started happening and lead the way." - Dot Crews, his campaign scheduler throughout the 1970s.

"It doesn't matter what I do. People need to hear what I have to say. There's no one else who can say what I can say. It doesn't matter what I live." - Newt.
 
2012-01-26 11:36:36 AM
jackthezomber: You don't need to forgive him because he didn't break any laws.

It's the place of the state to "forgive" (recognize appropriate punishment dealt or grant pardons) someone for broken laws. It is the place of society to "forgive" public figures for perceived moral failings and hypocrisy. Laws have nothing to do with it.
 
2012-01-26 11:37:47 AM
"It doesn't matter what I do. People need to hear what I have to say. There's no one else who can say what I can say. It doesn't matter what I live."


- Newt.
 
2012-01-26 11:38:24 AM
Bloody William: jackthezomber: You don't need to forgive him because he didn't break any laws.

It's the place of the state to "forgive" (recognize appropriate punishment dealt or grant pardons) someone for broken laws. It is the place of society to "forgive" public figures for perceived moral failings and hypocrisy. Laws have nothing to do with it.


So society has to forgive Newt for doing what so many of them already do anyway? He screws whatever he wants, as long as it gives consent. That sounds like America to me.
 
2012-01-26 11:39:08 AM
JimmyFartpants: I'm voting for Newt in the Florida Primary next week.

I think he's a sociopathic piece of human garbage, sure, but I want to help contribute to the total meltdown of the GOP.


Exactly. We are not our brother's keeper and it is not our job to forgive him. It is, however, our job -- if we choose to expand the lulz of the Republican primaries -- to do anything we can to support Newt now, in his time of need. Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of evil, I will fear no petulant, ego-maniacal, hypocritical wife-hopper.
 
2012-01-26 11:40:13 AM
jasimo: JimmyFartpants: I'm voting for Newt in the Florida Primary next week.

I think he's a sociopathic piece of human garbage, sure, but I want to help contribute to the total meltdown of the GOP.

Exactly. We are not our brother's keeper and it is not our job to forgive him. It is, however, our job -- if we choose to expand the lulz of the Republican primaries -- to do anything we can to support Newt now, in his time of need. Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of evil, I will fear no petulant, ego-maniacal, hypocritical wife-hopper.


you ever heard of the Seven Year Itch? Men are biologically driven to switch mates every 7 years or so.
 
2012-01-26 11:40:34 AM
jackthezomber: So society has to forgive Newt for doing what so many of them already do anyway? He screws whatever he wants, as long as it gives consent. That sounds like America to me.

Zzzzzzz.... whuh? Huh? Sorry, your multi-thread super he-man moral pedantry schtick made me sleepy.
 
2012-01-26 11:43:32 AM
jasimo: JimmyFartpants: I'm voting for Newt in the Florida Primary next week.

I think he's a sociopathic piece of human garbage, sure, but I want to help contribute to the total meltdown of the GOP.

Exactly. We are not our brother's keeper and it is not our job to forgive him. It is, however, our job -- if we choose to expand the lulz of the Republican primaries -- to do anything we can to support Newt now, in his time of need. Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of evil, I will fear no petulant, ego-maniacal, hypocritical wife-hopper.


I've always liked this tactic, in the sheer nastiness of it. Never done it myself, mainly because I've never really had a chance to (I live in California, and the Republicans always nominate idiots without my help for state offices, and the Presidential primaries here are too late to matter).
 
2012-01-26 11:43:53 AM
Jake Havechek: "It doesn't matter what I do. People need to hear what I have to say. There's no one else who can say what I can say. It doesn't matter what I live."


- Newt.


I'd really like to believe you're being satirical. Shirley there's no way that someone could *actually* utter such a thing and win an entire state's primary?
 
2012-01-26 11:49:55 AM
jackthezomber:
you ever heard of the Seven Year Itch? Men are biologically driven to switch mates every 7 years or so.


Ah yes, Pon Farr.
 
2012-01-26 11:50:24 AM
Boondock3806: Jake Havechek: "It doesn't matter what I do. People need to hear what I have to say. There's no one else who can say what I can say. It doesn't matter what I live."


- Newt.

I'd really like to believe you're being satirical. Shirley there's no way that someone could *actually* utter such a thing and win an entire state's primary?


That's an actual quote from an interview with his second wife.

Here's my favorite:

1994 A South Carolina woman, Susan Smith, murders her two sons. Gingrich draws the only logical conclusion: "I think that the mother killing the two children in South Carolina vividly reminds every American how sick the society is getting and how much we need to change things. The only way you get change is to vote Republican."
 
2012-01-26 11:51:06 AM
The problem isn't just Gingrich's hypocrisy, and we wouldn't be having a discussion about him as a semi-viable candidate for POTUS if that were the case, but moreso that of the GOP base's hypocrisy. The evangelicals don't truly forgive him for his transgressions but they are willing to *overlook* them as long as there is a -R beside the name.

If a three-marriage dem was running for prez this year, all we would be hearing from Fox and from the pulpit is how we couldn't trust someone who can't even make a commitment to their chosen life partner and religion.
 
2012-01-26 11:56:41 AM
Disposable Rob: jackthezomber:
you ever heard of the Seven Year Itch? Men are biologically driven to switch mates every 7 years or so.

Ah yes, Pon Farr.


For many of you, this will mean much less breeding. For me, much, much more.
 
2012-01-26 11:58:09 AM
Newt's personal life doesn't matter to me. What Newt's rise shows is that for people with conservative values faith is subservient to politics. Newt can't possibly be the paragon of family values when you've got deeply religious, monogamous, family men standing right next to him.
 
2012-01-26 12:03:05 PM
Boondock3806: Jake Havechek: "It doesn't matter what I do. People need to hear what I have to say. There's no one else who can say what I can say. It doesn't matter what I live."


- Newt.

I'd really like to believe you're being satirical. Shirley there's no way that someone could *actually* utter such a thing and win an entire state's primary?



They booed the golden rule and you're surprised that they would agree with "do as i say, not as i do?".

That's real leadership. The kind you can't tell is happening.
 
2012-01-26 12:04:03 PM
www.pbs.org

Unamused.

/Lost the California primary in '64 because his second wife had a baby the night before.
//Hilarity did not ensue.
 
2012-01-26 12:04:49 PM
I simply adore reading about Newt. The man is positively Dickensian!

I couldn't give less of a shiat what coordinates his cock occupied, ever. If his pant leg leaves a trail of creamy, pearly slime everywhere he walks, I couldn't give less of a shiat about that. Why the media focuses on his crotch is beyond me. I don't care if he farks corpses, his policies are insane. His ideas are far far scarier then his wilted little mushroom-wand, a-probe without Godly sanction.

The man wants to bring back child labor, and I'll be damned if I've heard him touch on child abuse at all. He wants to arrest "activist" judges, and have them come before Congress and account for making unpopular rulings. He thinks SINGAPORE has a sane drug policy. He wants to get rid of the EPA and create an "Environmental Solutions Agency." I don't care if he farks watermelons with a picture of Hil tacked to them-- what is relevant is this kind of retrograde thinking. It ain't gonna be 1962 ever, ever again, boys.
 
2012-01-26 12:06:36 PM
Rich Cream: Boondock3806: Jake Havechek: "It doesn't matter what I do. People need to hear what I have to say. There's no one else who can say what I can say. It doesn't matter what I live."


- Newt.

I'd really like to believe you're being satirical. Shirley there's no way that someone could *actually* utter such a thing and win an entire state's primary?


They booed the golden rule and you're surprised that they would agree with "do as i say, not as i do?".

That's real leadership. The kind you can't tell is happening.


The full quote:

Early in May, she went out to Ohio for her mother's birthday. A day and a half went by and Newt didn't return her calls, which was strange. They always talked every day, often ten times a day, so she was frantic by the time he called to say he needed to talk to her."About what?"

He wanted to talk in person, he said.

"I said, 'No, we need to talk now.' "

He went quiet.

"There's somebody else, isn't there?"

She kind of guessed it, of course. Women usually do. But did she know the woman was in her apartment, eating off her plates, sleeping in her bed?

She called a minister they both trusted. He came over to the house the next day and worked with them the whole weekend, but Gingrich just kept saying she was a Jaguar and all he wanted was a Chevrolet. " 'I can't handle a Jaguar right now.' He said that many times. 'All I want is a Chevrolet.' "

He asked her to just tolerate the affair, an offer she refused.

He'd just returned from Erie, Pennsylvania, where he'd given a speech full of high sentiments about compassion and family values.

The next night, they sat talking out on their back patio in Georgia. She said, "How do you give that speech and do what you're doing?"

"It doesn't matter what I do," he answered. "People need to hear what I have to say. There's no one else who can say what I can say. It doesn't matter what I live."
 
2012-01-26 12:06:46 PM
the opposite of charity is justice: The problem isn't just Gingrich's hypocrisy, and we wouldn't be having a discussion about him as a semi-viable candidate for POTUS if that were the case, but moreso that of the GOP base's hypocrisy. The evangelicals don't truly forgive him for his transgressions but they are willing to *overlook* them as long as there is a -R beside the name.

If a three-marriage dem was running for prez this year, all we would be hearing from Fox and from the pulpit is how we couldn't trust someone who can't even make a commitment to their chosen life partner and religion.


Yup. The hypocritical right would be assaulting any Dem with two wives in their life much less three.

Meanwhile, our president is an exemplary example of marital fidelity and family love and respect, and what do we hear out of the Right? not one word of praise or respect. Nope, just ad hominems non stop on every idiot attack point they can come up with.

So to sum up: Its great to preach about morals, so long as you don't have any of your own. The Republican Family Values platform has been this way for over 20 years. And its kind of a running joke among everyone else.
 
2012-01-26 12:07:45 PM
odinsposse: Newt's personal life doesn't matter to me. What Newt's rise shows is that for people with conservative values faith is subservient to politics. Newt can't possibly be the paragon of family values when you've got deeply religious, monogamous, family men standing right next to him.


You sound like a Clinton apologist. Back then.

/it's going to be hard to orate about the newt without rubbing the willy when they are so historically intercoursed.
 
2012-01-26 12:08:27 PM
I refuse to believe that anybody associated with the Party of Personal Responsibility and High Moral Values would ever consider voting for this guy.
 
2012-01-26 12:09:03 PM
jackthezomber: jasimo: JimmyFartpants: I'm voting for Newt in the Florida Primary next week.

I think he's a sociopathic piece of human garbage, sure, but I want to help contribute to the total meltdown of the GOP.

Exactly. We are not our brother's keeper and it is not our job to forgive him. It is, however, our job -- if we choose to expand the lulz of the Republican primaries -- to do anything we can to support Newt now, in his time of need. Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of evil, I will fear no petulant, ego-maniacal, hypocritical wife-hopper.

you ever heard of the Seven Year Itch? Men are biologically driven to switch mates every 7 years or so.


Someone try that one out on the wife and report back on her reaction.

/no, you can't sleep on my couch
 
2012-01-26 12:09:21 PM
HighOnCraic: Rich Cream: Boondock3806: Jake Havechek: "It doesn't matter what I do. People need to hear what I have to say. There's no one else who can say what I can say. It doesn't matter what I live."


- Newt.

I'd really like to believe you're being satirical. Shirley there's no way that someone could *actually* utter such a thing and win an entire state's primary?


They booed the golden rule and you're surprised that they would agree with "do as i say, not as i do?".

That's real leadership. The kind you can't tell is happening.

The full quote:

Early in May, she went out to Ohio for her mother's birthday. A day and a half went by and Newt didn't return her calls, which was strange. They always talked every day, often ten times a day, so she was frantic by the time he called to say he needed to talk to her."About what?"

He wanted to talk in person, he said.

"I said, 'No, we need to talk now.' "

He went quiet.

"There's somebody else, isn't there?"

She kind of guessed it, of course. Women usually do. But did she know the woman was in her apartment, eating off her plates, sleeping in her bed?

She called a minister they both trusted. He came over to the house the next day and worked with them the whole weekend, but Gingrich just kept saying she was a Jaguar and all he wanted was a Chevrolet. " 'I can't handle a Jaguar right now.' He said that many times. 'All I want is a Chevrolet.' "

He asked her to just tolerate the affair, an offer she refused.

He'd just returned from Erie, Pennsylvania, where he'd given a speech full of high sentiments about compassion and family values.

The next night, they sat talking out on their back patio in Georgia. She said, "How do you give that speech and do what you're doing?"

"It doesn't matter what I do," he answered. "People need to hear what I have to say. There's no one else who can say what I can say. It doesn't matter what I live."




Ahhh, like a priest providing marriage counseling. I see.
 
2012-01-26 12:16:35 PM
jasimo: jackthezomber: jasimo: JimmyFartpants: I'm voting for Newt in the Florida Primary next week.

I think he's a sociopathic piece of human garbage, sure, but I want to help contribute to the total meltdown of the GOP.

Exactly. We are not our brother's keeper and it is not our job to forgive him. It is, however, our job -- if we choose to expand the lulz of the Republican primaries -- to do anything we can to support Newt now, in his time of need. Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of evil, I will fear no petulant, ego-maniacal, hypocritical wife-hopper.

you ever heard of the Seven Year Itch? Men are biologically driven to switch mates every 7 years or so.

Someone try that one out on the wife and report back on her reaction.

/no, you can't sleep on my couch


And try this one as well:

The thrice-married Speaker then defended his personal marital history, claiming his multiple affairs "make me more normal than somebody who wanders around seeming perfect" because he can understand "the human condition and challenges of life for normal people."

Link (new window)

"Honestly, honey, I just slept with her so ordinary Americans will be able to relate to me better."

Besides, Fox News thinks the affairs make him a better president:

"When three women want to sign on for life with a man who is now running for president, I worry more about whether we'll be clamoring for a third Gingrich term, not whether we'll want to let him go after one."


http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2012/01/20/408488/fox-news-a-team-psych o logist-being-married-three-times-could-make-gingrich-a-better-presiden t/ (new window)
 
2012-01-26 12:19:28 PM
jasimo: jackthezomber: jasimo: JimmyFartpants: I'm voting for Newt in the Florida Primary next week.

I think he's a sociopathic piece of human garbage, sure, but I want to help contribute to the total meltdown of the GOP.

Exactly. We are not our brother's keeper and it is not our job to forgive him. It is, however, our job -- if we choose to expand the lulz of the Republican primaries -- to do anything we can to support Newt now, in his time of need. Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of evil, I will fear no petulant, ego-maniacal, hypocritical wife-hopper.

you ever heard of the Seven Year Itch? Men are biologically driven to switch mates every 7 years or so.

Someone try that one out on the wife and report back on her reaction.

/no, you can't sleep on my couch


it doesn't matter what your wife thinks of it. if you're gonna quit it, you quit it.
 
2012-01-26 12:32:39 PM
Rich Cream: odinsposse: Newt's personal life doesn't matter to me. What Newt's rise shows is that for people with conservative values faith is subservient to politics. Newt can't possibly be the paragon of family values when you've got deeply religious, monogamous, family men standing right next to him.


You sound like a Clinton apologist. Back then.

/it's going to be hard to orate about the newt without rubbing the willy when they are so historically intercoursed.


Anyone with any sense was a Clinton apologist. I didn't care who Clinton banged and I don't care who Newt bangs. My post was merely pointing out that this is more evidence that conservative Christian is an oxymoron.
 
2012-01-26 01:24:43 PM
Generation_D: He stopped the government in 1995 over not getting to sit in the front of the plane. Pretty much sums up his career. Petulant selfish asshat.

Done.

W. Bush's penchant for creating unbreakable messes would be nothing compared to Pres. Newt. To fight against being caught, Newt would dissolve the government, and he would erase states off of the map. He's canny that way.
 
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