Student takes photo of sub sleeping in class. School thanks student for pointing this out and takes appropriate action. And by appropriate action, they suspend the student

Uh asinine? That was the appropriate action. You're not allowed to use cell phones in the middle of class. Two wrongs do not make a right, son.

Also, that teacher should never be asked to sub again.

If there is one lesson they want you to learn in school, it is to be a good obedient citizen, and do not question or disrespect authority.

While it makes sense to have policies prohibiting students from using cell phones while in class (as they are disruptive to learning,) this was a case where the student took a photo as evidence that their substitute teacher was not doing their job. Suspending the student is (rightly) seen as punishment for whistle blowing and potentially making the school district look bad.

The appropriate action to take would be a verbal or written reminder to the student of the cell phone policy, coupled with a statement on what action they would take with regards to the napping sub (this might be an isolated incident, but he at least needs to be talked to in order to get all the facts in their proper contexts and the sub needs to be warned about the ramifications of this and future actions.)

Uh kids, the lesson to be learned here should be obvious...don't post the photos in your own name. Post it to an anonymous Flickr acct and then have all the class members point to it on their Facebook pages. Mission accomplished.

Geesh...I'm almost 60 years old. I shouldn't have to point these things out to you.

/snow...3 miles...uphill both directions

Did they at least punish the sub for sleeping on the job?

Did the student take the picture and then show it to the appropriate personnel or did the student take the picture and then put it on Youtube, the issue only coming to light when it was later found on the internets?

Because I have to say, if it's the first, then, yea, sticking strictly to the policy is dick-ish. If it's the latter, I have substantially less sympathy for the punished student.

Crappy article is crappy.

/ now we watch as a few dozen people who have virtually none of the facts argue vociferously in favor of their view of what they imagine might have happened....

ExcaliburPrime111: While it makes sense to have policies prohibiting students from using cell phones while in class (as they are disruptive to learning,) this was a case where the student took a photo as evidence that their substitute teacher was not doing their job. Suspending the student is (rightly) seen as punishment for whistle blowing and potentially making the school district look bad.

The appropriate action to take would be a verbal or written reminder to the student of the cell phone policy, coupled with a statement on what action they would take with regards to the napping sub (this might be an isolated incident, but he at least needs to be talked to in order to get all the facts in their proper contexts and the sub needs to be warned about the ramifications of this and future actions.)

Seems like perfectly reasonable suggestions. What the hell is wrong with you? We don't need no reasonable in our schools!

I don't know why these news reports always think of suspensions as "Serious consequences"

I was a fairly good kid, and I got suspended maybe once a year In addition to a a few in school suspensions per annum.

All for dumb shiat like what this kid did. Changing passwords on a computer and locking a hilarious picture to a desktop once I believe.

Not saying that the teacher shouldn't be let go as well. But a one or two day suspension of the kid wouldn't exactly outrage me.

Splinshints: / now we watch as a few dozen people who have virtually none of the facts argue vociferously in favor of their view of what they imagine might have happened....

A.K.A. Fark.

So teachers are cops now?

NightOwl2255: ExcaliburPrime111: Wh

Seems like perfectly reasonable suggestions. What the hell is wrong with you? We don't need no reasonable in our schools FARK discussion threads!
ftfy

Student must be of either African or Hispanic origin.

What, and he didn't take pictures of the dom??

You people are idiots. This was an definitely an appropriate response but the student to the situation. You follow the rules at all costs or be punished farkwits should move a more authoritarian country if you love the goddamn rules so much.

Great moments in zero-tolerance #16,386

Seriously America, you do realize you're raising a generation that had no clue what "common sense" and "discretion" mean? If this policy of turning to suspensions as a first resort goes on, in about five years there won't be a graduating student left who hasn't served one at some stage.

Does this sort of thing go on a permanent record that's taken into account by places like colleges?

Eriond: lennavan: Uh asinine? That was the appropriate action. You're not allowed to use cell phones in the middle of class. Two wrongs do not make a right, son.

"In the middle of class"? The teacher was sleeping...how is that "in the middle of class"? Had the sub actually been, well, *teaching*, the student wouldn't have had any reason to use the phone to take a picture.

Take the phone away, sure, but suspending the student is asinine.

No it isn't. He violated the school policy. School policy says if you use your cell phone, you get suspended. Kid used his cell phone. SHOCK AND DISMAY, he was suspended. Sorry, maybe you should have been sitting down for that part.

Wait, you're making an argument, the actions of the teacher FORCED the student to use his cell phone? Or are you saying a cell phone picture is the ONLY way to inform the appropriate people your teacher is sleeping? Because I mean shiat, the teacher is asleep, just walk out the door and walk the principal in. Or you've got an entire class full of witnesses.

Let's be honest, the kid used his cell phone so he could have the picture on it to laugh about and show/send to his buddies. Not because that's the only way to bust the teacher.

Try to put some thought into it before getting all derped up.

When I was in school if the sub was sleeping that was prime goofing off opportunity. If some punk.had ruined that good of a thing we would have jumped him.

lennavan: Student takes photo of sub sleeping in class. School thanks student for pointing this out and takes appropriate action. And by appropriate action, they suspend the student

Uh asinine? That was the appropriate action. You're not allowed to use cell phones in the middle of class. Two wrongs do not make a right, son.

Also, that teacher should never be asked to sub again.

Yay for zero tolerance!

lennavan: No it isn't. He violated the school policy. School policy says if you use your cell phone, you get suspended. Kid used his cell phone. SHOCK AND DISMAY, he was suspended. Sorry, maybe you should have been sitting down for that part.

Sub has heart attack. Student calls 911. Gets suspended. Seems reasonable.

StoneColdAtheist:
/snow...3 miles...uphill both directions

you walked to school through the snow and it was uphill both directions? how does this happen? does your house gain altitude during the day, and then lower itself when you're sleeping?

Ooooooooooooooooooklahoma where the subs are sleepin' at Mustang...

lennavan: Eriond: lennavan: Uh asinine? That was the appropriate action. You're not allowed to use cell phones in the middle of class. Two wrongs do not make a right, son.

"In the middle of class"? The teacher was sleeping...how is that "in the middle of class"? Had the sub actually been, well, *teaching*, the student wouldn't have had any reason to use the phone to take a picture.

Take the phone away, sure, but suspending the student is asinine.

No it isn't. He violated the school policy. School policy says if you use your cell phone, you get suspended. Kid used his cell phone. SHOCK AND DISMAY, he was suspended. Sorry, maybe you should have been sitting down for that part.

Wait, you're making an argument, the actions of the teacher FORCED the student to use his cell phone? Or are you saying a cell phone picture is the ONLY way to inform the appropriate people your teacher is sleeping? Because I mean shiat, the teacher is asleep, just walk out the door and walk the principal in. Or you've got an entire class full of witnesses.

Let's be honest, the kid used his cell phone so he could have the picture on it to laugh about and show/send to his buddies. Not because that's the only way to bust the teacher.

Try to put some thought into it before getting all derped up.

Obvious troll is obvious.

I'll even go a step further and say anyone defending suspending the student is de facto trolling. While policies should be enforced, the reason behind them needs to be considered, and discretion applied to fit the circumstances. In this case, the use of the cell phone did not disrupt education, but was rather used to obtain evidence that the school district would presumably be interested in (since its job is to ensure adequate education for the students.) A warning to the student is much more reasonable here.

As for the sub - we do not know all the facts. Maybe he was supposed to proctor a quiz and dozed off for a minute. Probably not. At any rate, it would behoove the district to investigate the matter and take appropriate disciplinary action. Personally, I don't think he should be fired immediately for something like this, unless this behavior is repeated.

Tired sub. Idiot student.

NightOwl2255: lennavan: No it isn't. He violated the school policy. School policy says if you use your cell phone, you get suspended. Kid used his cell phone. SHOCK AND DISMAY, he was suspended. Sorry, maybe you should have been sitting down for that part.

Sub has heart attack. Student calls 911. Gets suspended. Seems reasonable.

Right, calling 911 for a dying teacher is the same as snapping a candid photo of a sleeping teacher. And just like busting a sleeping teacher, there are multiple options available for calling 911 and no time constraints at all. This reply seems reasonable.

Got to love the Democrat teachers union. Freedom of choice is what you want. Freedom from choice is what you get.

Sail The Wide Accountancy: I don't know why these news reports always think of suspensions as "Serious consequences"

I was a fairly good kid, and I got suspended maybe once a year In addition to a a few in school suspensions per annum.

All for dumb shiat like what this kid did. Changing passwords on a computer and locking a hilarious picture to a desktop once I believe.

Not saying that the teacher shouldn't be let go as well. But a one or two day suspension of the kid wouldn't exactly outrage me.

Back when I was in high school, each day of out-of-school suspension resulted in a 2% reduction in each of your classes. In-school suspension was a 1% reduction. Two days of suspension could mean nearly half a letter-grade reduction in all this student's semester grades for catching a teacher sleeping...crazy...

Genta: StoneColdAtheist:
/snow...3 miles...uphill both directions

you walked to school through the snow and it was uphill both directions? how does this happen? does your house gain altitude during the day, and then lower itself when you're sleeping?

GIS is your friend... ;^)

Genta: you walked to school through the snow and it was uphill both directions? how does this happen? does your house gain altitude during the day, and then lower itself when you're sleeping?

I'm guessing you never heard the joke about a chicken crossing the road.

If there's ever a school shooting I hope everybody at this school thinks twice before calling 9-1-1 and that the operators respond to callers with a stern "You shouldn't be using your cell phone while at school!"

ExcaliburPrime111: I'll even go a step further and say anyone defending suspending the student is de facto trolling.

Wait, your argument is so weak, you have to pre-label your opposition as trolls? Wow.

How about you keep your goddamn filthy paws off that person's private property, and discipline your worthless excuse for a teacher, you pasty-faced unionized cockbags?

Splinshints: Crappy article is crappy.

But the slideshow of sideways pictures is pretty awesome.

StoneColdAtheist: Genta: StoneColdAtheist:
/snow...3 miles...uphill both directions

you walked to school through the snow and it was uphill both directions? how does this happen? does your house gain altitude during the day, and then lower itself when you're sleeping?

GIS is your friend... ;^)

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yea but look at it this way.... you got to walk downhill both ways too!

NightOwl2255: lennavan: No it isn't. He violated the school policy. School policy says if you use your cell phone, you get suspended. Kid used his cell phone. SHOCK AND DISMAY, he was suspended. Sorry, maybe you should have been sitting down for that part.

Sub has heart attack. Student calls 911. Gets suspended. Seems reasonable.

In that situation, the student goes to the office or gets the teacher next door for assistance. Or starts CPR, while another student notifies an adult. There's a lot you can do to help without a cell phone. The world won't stop if every student doesn't have a cell phone.

lennavan: School policy says if you use your cell phone, you get suspended.

lennavan: Kid used his cell phone

lennavan: he was suspended

According to your own words, if a shooter was walking through the school killing people and a student called 911, they should be suspended. Unless, you want to take into consideration the reason for using the phone. And be reasonable.

lennavan: Because I mean shiat, the teacher is asleep, just walk out the door and walk the principal in

And get suspended for leaving the classroom without permission, never mind that the sub's inability to give such permission in the first place due to sleeping on the job is why the student went to the principal's office on his or her own initiative.

ChrisDe: In that situation, the student goes to the office or gets the teacher next door for assistance. Or starts CPR, while another student notifies an adult. There's a lot you can do to help without a cell phone. The world won't stop if every student doesn't have a cell phone.

Sure, all true. And no where near the point. If a student does call 911 due to an emergency, should they be suspended for using the phone?

lennavan: ExcaliburPrime111: I'll even go a step further and say anyone defending suspending the student is de facto trolling.

Wait, your argument is so weak, you have to pre-label your opposition as trolls? Wow.

I don't think my argument is weak. I think the argument that the student should be suspended for this action is so incredibly weak and unreasonable that it is probable that those employing it are doing so for trolling purposes.

The school is suspending a kid for raising uncomfortable questions and for potentially making them look bad. The rule against the use of cell phones is not in place to protect napping substitute teachers, but to prevent disruptions in the learning process. If there was no learning taking place to begin with, a simple reminder of the policy would be warranted, not kicking a kid out of the classroom (and depriving that student from learning) for a day or two.

So the lesson here is that if you take a picture of a sleeping teacher with a regular camera, it's good. If you take a picture of a sleeping teacher with camera that also has phone capabilities, then it automatically invalidates any point you were trying to make and will result in massive punishment.

See, if the student had one of his buddies tea-bag the sub while taking the photo, then they could also level sexual assault/pedo charges on the guy. That would have distracted everyone from the illegal cell-phone use

/I hear kids today love tea-bagging

Splinshints: Did the student take the picture and then show it to the appropriate personnel or did the student take the picture and then put it on Youtube, the issue only coming to light when it was later found on the internets?

Because I have to say, if it's the first, then, yea, sticking strictly to the policy is dick-ish. If it's the latter, I have substantially less sympathy for the punished student.

Crappy article is crappy.

/ now we watch as a few dozen people who have virtually none of the facts argue vociferously in favor of their view of what they imagine might have happened....

Don't you think a teacher sleeping with students is bad enough? Not only that a student taking photos and vido of it is not only sick but creation and distribution of cp. Really, that student is lucky he only got a suspension. Then everyone present should be labled a sexual predator to protect people like me from being a victim of their deviancy. Fortunatly this didn't go on for as long as the Jerry Sandusky situation.
All it takes for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing.

So if the student pulled out a digital camera, without any telecommunication capability, and took the picture would they be fine?

Is this a zero-tolerance issue?

Plus, let the teacher sleep. No one wants to teach highschool and the schools are lucky to get anyone who'd work for 2 turnips and a belt of vodka a week.

lennavan: ExcaliburPrime111: I'll even go a step further and say anyone defending suspending the student is de facto trolling.

Wait, your argument is so weak, you have to pre-label your opposition as trolls? Wow.

For people using the argument "what if a student called 9-1-1 on a cell phone to save someone's life!?" Aren't there usually land-line phones in public schools? Y'know, those big bulky things with keys like a cell phone but are usually wired to a desk or stuck to a wall?

As far as I know, land-line phones cut 9-1-1 response times by a matter of minutes because there is no delay in tracking the specific location of the call. So even if they had cell phones, the BETTER option would be to use a land-line. That is one of the reasons Sean Taylor died, lost too much blood waiting for responders because the call was placed from a cell phone.

/I could be totally wrong

THX 1138: So the lesson here is that if you take a picture of a sleeping teacher with a regular camera, it's good. If you take a picture of a sleeping teacher with camera that also has phone capabilities, then it automatically invalidates any point you were trying to make and will result in massive punishment.

Beat me by 53 seconds, you magnificent bastard!

Suspend the student for having the cell phone, then tell him the suspension is considered "served" due to doing the right thing by reporting the teacher.

Taking this kid out of school for trying to keep things "right" isn't going to help anyone.