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(Fox News)   Memorial service to cap three days of mourning for Joe Paterno at Penn State. Rumor has it that any PSU student not mourning sincerely enough could face harsh penalties, like all 8am classes next semester   ( foxnews.com) divider line
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2012-01-26 09:47:48 AM  
As someone who's had 8am classes every day for a semester, its surprisingly not that bad.
 
2012-01-26 10:46:12 AM  
Kim Jong Paterno?
 
2012-01-26 10:55:47 AM  
I hated 8am classes, especially if they were on the other side of campus.
 
2012-01-26 11:04:55 AM  
I do not understand mourning someone who condoned by inaction the ongoing rape of children.

I do not understand cults of personality and never will.

Penn State's culture seems more in tune with its own need to follow a flawed leader than with the actual results that following that leader caused. And as a result Penn State's culture seems to me to be deeply flawed.

Maybe in a few years once they snap out of their cult, get out side of Creepy Valley and mingle with the rest of society, they will start to understand just how deluded and easily led they were.

You do not blindly follow a pedophilia enabling befuddled liar no matter how many of you he makes feel good being "Pappa." That is the definition of a dysfunctional family. That is the definition right now of Penn State.
 
2012-01-26 11:07:53 AM  
 
2012-01-26 11:25:36 AM  
I don't fault people for feeling they way they do about Paterno. A lot of people can't just turn off their emotions and feelings about the good things they see they guy as being responsible for. This despite the scandal.

That said, I, too have never understood the cult of personality, regardless of who it is. Dale Earnhardt is a great example. When he died, it was like people lost their closest friend, when in reality most people never even met the man. It's just weird.
 
2012-01-26 11:49:18 AM  
that is a load off my mind, knowin that rapist is gone. i feel pretty good. think i might just... heh... get noood! shine some sun where the sun don't shine! long past the point of caring on this one.
 
2012-01-26 11:49:34 AM  
What's next? The Pope making this guy a saint? Certainly has the M.O.
 
2012-01-26 11:49:37 AM  
If you make a religion out of college football, please kill yourself. You are part of the problem.
 
2012-01-26 11:50:20 AM  
Don't bother telling him that kids were there.
 
2012-01-26 11:50:36 AM  

TV's Vinnie: If you make a religion out of college football, please kill yourself. You are part of the problem.


This.
 
2012-01-26 11:51:16 AM  
I wonder if this guy will show:

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2012-01-26 11:51:42 AM  
Rot in hell, Joe Pa!
 
2012-01-26 11:51:47 AM  

Some Bass Playing Guy: That said, I, too have never understood the cult of personality, regardless of who it is. Dale Earnhardt is a great example. When he died, it was like people lost their closest friend, when in reality most people never even met the man. It's just weird.


Brother, you have no idea. I had to witness some of the Earnhardt mess myself. I wanted to open my office window and yell "Grow up!" a couple of times that afternoon.

And now Dean Smith is ailing and probably not long for this world. When he croaks, I'll probably have to leave the state for a week or so.
 
2012-01-26 11:52:22 AM  

SilentStrider: As someone who's had 8am classes every day for a semester, its surprisingly not that bad.


Those were some of my favorite classes.

This personality cult has got to go away. Three days of mourning? He coached football, he didn't feed the poor, he didn't house the homeless, he didn't arrange eternal peace in the middle east. He taught people how to play a farking game.

Most importantly (and worst of all), he did the absolute bare minimum when he had reason to believe that children were being harmed by his colleague. That's what he's going to be remembered for, folks. His creepy football cult and his child-rapist-protecting status.
 
2012-01-26 11:52:50 AM  

TV's Vinnie: If you make a religion out of college football, please kill yourself. You are part of the problem.


This x 2.
 
2012-01-26 11:53:32 AM  
Leonard: How was your football party?
Penny: It was, pretty good. We won!
Leonard: Oh, that's excellen! It's a weird figure of speech, isn't it. "We won", when you're not actually playing. When we watch Star Wars we don't say: "We defeated the empire"

Say whatever you want about your beloved Pappa Joe, but in the end, he enabled a pedophile.
 
2012-01-26 11:53:47 AM  
8am class at Penn State?

Sounds like a real pain in the ass!
 
2012-01-26 11:54:03 AM  
Or they could be sentenced to private sessions with one of the creepy coaches in the locker room.
 
2012-01-26 11:54:38 AM  

texdent: I hated 8am classes, especially if they were on the other side of campus.


yeah, that 10 minute commute. Its a killer. I hope things get better when Barry gives us all our job when we get out.
 
2012-01-26 11:55:00 AM  

TV's Vinnie: If you make a religion out of college football, please kill yourself. You are part of the problem.


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2012-01-26 11:56:41 AM  
 
2012-01-26 12:00:05 PM  

SilentStrider: As someone who's had 8am classes every day for a semester, its surprisingly not that bad.


Same, my best grades were actually in those
 
2012-01-26 12:00:36 PM  

Nutsac_Jim: texdent: I hated 8am classes, especially if they were on the other side of campus.

yeah, that 10 minute commute. Its a killer. I hope things get better when Barry gives us all our job when we get out.


Roll up your sleeves and get to work. You gotta pay for your grandparent's health care.
 
2012-01-26 12:01:12 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: Most importantly (and worst of all), he did the absolute bare minimum when he had reason to believe that children were being harmed by his colleague. That's what he's going to be remembered for, folks. His creepy football cult and his child-rapist-protecting status.


did you know that (apparently) in PA, you can't get information about an ongoing child abuse investigation until it goes public with a grand jury indictment? After the first report you make, you actually cannot get more information about it. It is not possible, even for a famous football coach, to breach the confidentiality of child abuse investigations. That's bullshiat. I want all the details of every investigation, even the accusations that turn out to be false. For, uh, my review and study. yeah, that's the ticket.
 
2012-01-26 12:01:16 PM  
That place is just beyond creepy.

Here's a story (new window) about internal memos showing that Penn States primary concern was how the scandal would impact donations. Not sure it's in the article linked, but my personal favorite to read was that university officials were instructed to remind outraged donors that they couldn't get any money back.

Stay classy, Pedo State.

thecomicnews.com
 
2012-01-26 12:02:32 PM  

LesserEvil: Nice to see they will have a good turn out... (new window)


For once, I have no problem with this.
 
2012-01-26 12:02:44 PM  

LesserEvil: Nice to see they will have a good turn out... (new window)


I can see someone going ape shiat crazy on WBC protests @ Penn State.
 
2012-01-26 12:03:25 PM  
SilentStrider: As someone who's had 8am classes every day for a semester, its surprisingly not that bad.

firstworldproblems.jpg
 
2012-01-26 12:03:55 PM  
I still don't understand why people are so quick to dance on Joe Paterno's grave but act like McQueary is blameless.

He's the real problem. He's the real enabler. And in the end, he sold out those kids for a job.
 
2012-01-26 12:03:59 PM  

beta_plus: That place is just beyond creepy.

Here's a story (new window) about internal memos showing that Penn States primary concern was how the scandal would impact donations. Not sure it's in the article linked, but my personal favorite to read was that university officials were instructed to remind outraged donors that they couldn't get any money back.

Stay classy, Pedo State.

[thecomicnews.com image 640x386]


i strongly suspect that every penn state employee, alumnus, and student is a pedophile or supports the cause of pedophiles.
 
2012-01-26 12:04:48 PM  
I have HUGE problems with the way this is being handled. There are heads of state who negotiated major peace agreements who didn't get this kind of treatment. It absolutely ridiculous and makes the place look like a bunch of farkwads all around.
 
2012-01-26 12:05:01 PM  
I was thinking the other day, can you imagine what JoePa's death would have been like if we'd never heard the name Sandusky? If he had just croaked in the off season without any peep of the scandal coming out? ESPN might have had to temporarily create another channel.
 
2012-01-26 12:06:35 PM  
INeedAName: There are heads of state who negotiated major peace agreements who didn't get this kind of treatment.

Yeah, but who cares about recognizing that when we can worship SPORTS!
 
2012-01-26 12:06:43 PM  

beta_plus: That place is just beyond creepy.

Here's a story (new window) about internal memos showing that Penn States primary concern was how the scandal would impact donations. Not sure it's in the article linked, but my personal favorite to read was that university officials were instructed to remind outraged donors that they couldn't get any money back.

Stay classy, Pedo State.


Sadder thing is they had nothing to worry about. They greatly underestimated the pro child rapeyness of their alums.
 
2012-01-26 12:06:43 PM  

beta_plus: That place is just beyond creepy.

Here's a story (new window) about internal memos showing that Penn States primary concern was how the scandal would impact donations. Not sure it's in the article linked, but my personal favorite to read was that university officials were instructed to remind outraged donors that they couldn't get any money back.

Stay classy, Pedo State.

[thecomicnews.com image 640x386]


Kinda paints the Michael Mann whitewash in a new light, doesn't it?

/oh I forgot, an AGW saint cannot be questioned.
 
2012-01-26 12:08:04 PM  
I can't imagine what would possess someone to stand in line for 2 hours to see the casket of a man they've probably never met.
 
2012-01-26 12:11:33 PM  
Dookie V was on Mike & Mike yesterday verbally fellating Paterno and saying he did everything he could have done. Made me want to puke.
 
2012-01-26 12:11:41 PM  

jackthezomber: beta_plus: That place is just beyond creepy.

Here's a story (new window) about internal memos showing that Penn States primary concern was how the scandal would impact donations. Not sure it's in the article linked, but my personal favorite to read was that university officials were instructed to remind outraged donors that they couldn't get any money back.

Stay classy, Pedo State.

[thecomicnews.com image 640x386]

i strongly suspect that every penn state employee, alumnus, and student is a pedophile or supports the cause of pedophiles.


I don't recall anyone feeling very sorry for all of the poor innocent employees of these guys:

www.joefino.com

But it's different when it's a university - they shouldn't be held to the same standards and consequences as everyone else.
 
2012-01-26 12:12:05 PM  
Morning classes are where its at.


/currently sitting in one.
 
2012-01-26 12:14:00 PM  

Yanks_RSJ: I can't imagine what would possess someone to stand in line for 2 hours to see the casket of a man they've probably never met.


Maybe they want to make sure he's dead.
 
2012-01-26 12:14:19 PM  

Snarfangel: Kim Jong Paterno?


Does this mean we should start economic sanctions on PSU?
 
2012-01-26 12:17:32 PM  

LarryDan43: beta_plus: That place is just beyond creepy.

Here's a story (new window) about internal memos showing that Penn States primary concern was how the scandal would impact donations. Not sure it's in the article linked, but my personal favorite to read was that university officials were instructed to remind outraged donors that they couldn't get any money back.

Stay classy, Pedo State.

Sadder thing is they had nothing to worry about. They greatly underestimated the pro child rapeyness of their alums.


Uggh. I hadn't thought about it that way, but you're absolutely right.

/thank god it's cheap drinks night at my local bar.
 
2012-01-26 12:18:21 PM  

SoCalSurfer: SilentStrider: As someone who's had 8am classes every day for a semester, its surprisingly not that bad.

Same, my best grades were actually in those


I was lucky enough to go the Law School where Prof Conviser taught (He's the guy who owns Bar-Bri, the country's largest Bar Review company) Of course everyone wanted to take his classes because fark it, it was like getting free bar review. But in his fairly typical assholish way, he decided he'd only teach classes that started at 8am-and he had an attendance policy.

And yet, now that I'm up just before 5:00 am every morning so I can make the 6:15 bus for an hour commute to my job; that suddenly doesn't seem like the outrage it was when I was in school. Funny that.
 
2012-01-26 12:18:52 PM  

beta_plus: jackthezomber: beta_plus: That place is just beyond creepy.

Here's a story (new window) about internal memos showing that Penn States primary concern was how the scandal would impact donations. Not sure it's in the article linked, but my personal favorite to read was that university officials were instructed to remind outraged donors that they couldn't get any money back.

Stay classy, Pedo State.

[thecomicnews.com image 640x386]

i strongly suspect that every penn state employee, alumnus, and student is a pedophile or supports the cause of pedophiles.

I don't recall anyone feeling very sorry for all of the poor innocent employees of these guys:

[www.joefino.com image 640x282]

But it's different when it's a university - they shouldn't be held to the same standards and consequences as everyone else.


look i hate learning and education as much as anyone. i just don't think this is the right way to take apart public education.
 
2012-01-26 12:20:52 PM  
As a long time PA resident, I have a couple points.

1) The cult of personality regarding JoePa is ridiculous. People going after the accusers, going out of their way to excuse Joe, etc. Just goes to show how powerful sports are and how weak minded most people are.

2) The people who sweat Paterno do so because he was a bastion of morality. The guy who sat players before Bowl games for minor infractions, who ran a "clean" program and never cheated, the guy who passed up more money to stay at PSU. They continue to venerate him for being so moral, when the biggest moral test of his life, he failed miserably and repeatedly. Sitting a player and losing a bowl game is about a billion times less important than stopping child rape.

3) It's clear that Paterno wasn't really that smart, wasn't really that curious and had lost his marbles perhaps as early as his early 70's. He was pretty much a simpleton.

4) Any time you confront Paterno supporters with "well, if that was your child getting raped, do you think he did enough?" you get enough cognitive dissonance to make their heads explode.
 
2012-01-26 12:21:17 PM  

MattyFridays: I still don't understand why people are so quick to dance on Joe Paterno's grave but act like McQueary is blameless.

He's the real problem. He's the real enabler. And in the end, he sold out those kids for a job.


I don't. But McQuery did not have the authority that JoePa had. JoePa could have demanded police take action, JoePa could have demanded his own administration stop sitting on its hands hushing things up. JoePa could have taken a pistol and shot the pedo himself if he'd wanted, probably gotten justifyable homicide.

Instead, JoePa told his boss and washed his hands of the whole thing, then never followed up for ten years after, not so much as once. He probably continued to interact with Sandusky on campus, he definitely went on with business as usual at his football coaching job knowing Sandusky was still using Second Mile as a rape-recruiting business.

The *best* you can do for JoePa is say he just had no idea how to frame child rape and it baffled him and he didn't know what to do so he gave up and moved on. Does that sound like a leader of men and a shaper of moral minds to you? It sounds like an empty shell of a leader to me. But then I tend to look down on leaders whose actions don't match their words.

Penn State, the rest of the nation isn't drinking your kool aid. The sooner you realize it the better off you'll be in life.
 
2012-01-26 12:24:18 PM  

Generation_D: Penn State, the rest of the nation isn't drinking your kool aid. The sooner you realize it the better off you'll be in life.


As an Ohio State fan, I'm proud to see my school raping very few (if any) children. I recommend Penn State fans come on over to Columbus. The hotels, parking, and restaurants are better, and we rape very few children at Ohio State. Very, very few, if any.

I guess if PSU were really any good, they wouldn't be raping so many children. Ha ha, how'd that end of the season go, by the way? HA HA
 
2012-01-26 12:28:22 PM  
The Big Ten made a huge mistake buying into the Cult of JoePa in 1994. I would be happy to see the Big Ten figure it out and kick Penn State out, but I suppose thats putting morality ahead of dollar signs. At the least, they should hold Penn State to some pretty high accountability standard now that the truth about JoePa's so called clean program has emerged.

Ohio State only cheats in the traditional way and ol sweater vest has plenty to answer for, but as far as we know never allowed an assistant to rape any kids.
 
2012-01-26 12:31:41 PM  
In before the haters......who am I kidding?!?

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2012-01-26 12:33:27 PM  

suburbanguy: In before the haters......who am I kidding?!?

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I dunno...people who hate child rape and those who facilitate it are pretty fast.
 
2012-01-26 12:35:33 PM  

suburbanguy: In before the haters......who am I kidding?!?

/welcometofark.jpg


Nope, but we were all in before the child-rape-enabler apologists showed up.
 
2012-01-26 12:36:21 PM  

Generation_D: Penn State, the rest of the nation isn't drinking your kool aid. The sooner you realize it the better off you'll be in life.


Here's the only thing you need to say to a Penn State zealot about the whole McQueary/Paterno thing.

If Joe Paterno did what needed to be done with the information he had, he's nothing more than a football coach who doesn't deserve a statue or this degree of respect and admiration.

Fact is, he's revered by that entire community, which suggests that he's far more to them than just a football coach. They can't say on one hand that he's a legendary figure in State College, then say that reporting up the "chain of command" is enough. There's just no way to connect the two.
 
2012-01-26 12:36:55 PM  
I wonder if they would have this kind of funeral/mourning for a tenured professor.....

/College Sports are overrated
 
2012-01-26 12:37:14 PM  

jackthezomber: beta_plus: jackthezomber: beta_plus: That place is just beyond creepy.

Here's a story (new window) about internal memos showing that Penn States primary concern was how the scandal would impact donations. Not sure it's in the article linked, but my personal favorite to read was that university officials were instructed to remind outraged donors that they couldn't get any money back.

Stay classy, Pedo State.

[thecomicnews.com image 640x386]

i strongly suspect that every penn state employee, alumnus, and student is a pedophile or supports the cause of pedophiles.

I don't recall anyone feeling very sorry for all of the poor innocent employees of these guys:

[www.joefino.com image 640x282]

But it's different when it's a university - they shouldn't be held to the same standards and consequences as everyone else.

look i hate learning and education as much as anyone. i just don't think this is the right way to take apart public education.


That school makes a mockery of the whole concept of public education. It's a private university when it doesn't want to comply with FOIA laws, but a public one so that it can get sovereign immunity and limited liability in the civil suits that will follow a Sandusky conviction. Oh, and BTW, there are 2 other professors in your precious "public" school, Neisworth and Lasaga, who are under suspicion for child rape at Penn State. Lasaga is already serving 20 years for raping a kid at Yale. Neisworth (you can't make this stuff up) is a Professor of Childhood Development of AUTISTIC CHILDREN.

And let's just forget that Ray Gricar, who tried to prosecute Sandusky in 1998 but didn't have enough evidence, disappeared from the face of the earth with his car found abandoned and locked, his laptop thrown in a river with the hard drive missing, and the hard drive found later and unreadable.

But we must protect public education because nothing is more important for our great American Republic! Trivial matters like the rule of law should not get in the way!

Now, do we have the right to throw everyone ever associated with Penn State in jail? No. We must convict them in a court of law to do so. But we have every right to have the PA legislature and US Congress cut off all funding immediately (especially student loans), on the very legitimate justification that that school is no longer worthy of our trust.

The simple fact is that if one replaced "Monsanto" with "Penn State" in this scandal, you'd be cheering for its destruction.
 
2012-01-26 12:40:01 PM  

beta_plus: That school makes a mockery of the whole concept of public education. It's a private university when it doesn't want to comply with FOIA laws, but a public one so that it can get sovereign immunity and limited liability in the civil suits that will follow a Sandusky conviction. Oh, and BTW, there are 2 other professors in your precious "public" school, Neisworth and Lasaga, who are under suspicion for child rape at Penn State. Lasaga is already serving 20 years for raping a kid at Yale. Neisworth (you can't make this stuff up) is a Professor of Childhood Development of AUTISTIC CHILDREN.

And let's just forget that Ray Gricar, who tried to prosecute Sandusky in 1998 but didn't have enough evidence, disappeared from the face of the earth with his car found abandoned and locked, his laptop thrown in a river with the hard drive missing, and the hard drive found later and unreadable.

But we must protect public education because nothing is more important for our great American Republic! Trivial matters like the rule of law should not get in the way!

Now, do we have the right to throw everyone ever associated with Penn State in jail? No. We must convict them in a court of law to do so. But we have every right to have the PA legislature and US Congress cut off all funding immediately (especially student loans), on the very legitimate justification that that school is no longer worthy of our trust.

The simple fact is that if one replaced "Monsanto" with "Penn State" in this scandal, you'd be cheering for its destruction.


I think school choice is a better way to take apart public education, that's all I'm saying.
 
2012-01-26 12:42:58 PM  
With each passing day, more and more, I am ashamed to admit I went to school there.
What a bunch of festering assholes.
 
2012-01-26 12:43:03 PM  

jackthezomber: As an Ohio State fan, I'm proud to see my school raping very few (if any) children. I recommend Penn State fans come on over to Columbus. The hotels, parking, and restaurants are better, and we rape very few children at Ohio State. Very, very few, if any.

I guess if PSU were really any good, they wouldn't be raping so many children. Ha ha, how'd that end of the season go, by the way? HA HA


Said with all the class TOSU fans are famous for.
 
2012-01-26 12:43:04 PM  

Generation_D: The *best* you can do for JoePa is say he just had no idea how to frame child rape and it baffled him and he didn't know what to do so he gave up and moved on. Does that sound like a leader of men and a shaper of moral minds to you?


No, and anyone even inferring he can hide behind the "he's just a football coach" idea is being deliberately obtuse, or worse.

I personally ascribe to that line of thinking in regards to Paterno (that he was "baffled" by everything as opposed to deliberately covering anything up, but who knows...there will be a lot more to come to light that may completely exonerate him, or otherwise), but it takes a mind-numbingly absurd level of ignorance to not comprehend child abuse. So much so, in fact, that it's hard to feel much sympathy for him, even assuming that he pulled no strings to intentionally hide the scandal or protect Sandusky.
 
2012-01-26 12:43:08 PM  
There's a hundred players, dozens of coaches and assistants, and millions of fans who all strive for the success and the ultimate prize-a National championship. The money that comes with this helps the entire University, and everyone in it, The prestige is invaluable.
This man won two Championships, and dozens of high profile bowl wins, all while espousing core values, bettering the lives of many, and graduating his players.
If a few people have to suffer to achieve this, it's a price worth paying.
People actually died in Afghanistan and Iraq. Does this negate all the good done? No. There is always a price.
 
2012-01-26 12:43:39 PM  

Yanks_RSJ: Generation_D: Penn State, the rest of the nation isn't drinking your kool aid. The sooner you realize it the better off you'll be in life.

Here's the only thing you need to say to a Penn State zealot about the whole McQueary/Paterno thing.

If Joe Paterno did what needed to be done with the information he had, he's nothing more than a football coach who doesn't deserve a statue or this degree of respect and admiration.

Fact is, he's revered by that entire community, which suggests that he's far more to them than just a football coach. They can't say on one hand that he's a legendary figure in State College, then say that reporting up the "chain of command" is enough. There's just no way to connect the two.


Thats a good way to put it. The whole "leader of men" argument fails miserably if you have to put a big asterisk on it and say "except when his trusted assistant is buggering boys in campus lockerrooms"
 
2012-01-26 12:44:43 PM  

hachijuhachi: jackthezomber: As an Ohio State fan, I'm proud to see my school raping very few (if any) children. I recommend Penn State fans come on over to Columbus. The hotels, parking, and restaurants are better, and we rape very few children at Ohio State. Very, very few, if any.

I guess if PSU were really any good, they wouldn't be raping so many children. Ha ha, how'd that end of the season go, by the way? HA HA

Said with all the class TOSU fans are famous for.


said with all the bitterness of a fallen empire
 
2012-01-26 12:46:04 PM  
fark Joe Paterno. I don't care how man pointless farking football games he won.

Yes he deserved to die, and I hope he burns in Hell!
 
2012-01-26 12:47:18 PM  

Generation_D: I do not understand mourning someone who condoned by inaction the ongoing rape of children.

I do not understand cults of personality and never will.


He helped make it possible for many men to play with balls.

Something about a gridiron, too...
 
2012-01-26 12:49:29 PM  

hillary: LesserEvil: Nice to see they will have a good turn out... (new window)

As a gay man, I'd be tempted to side with Westboro on this one.


Yeah, this one time I will ever be cheering for the Westboro team.
 
2012-01-26 12:53:04 PM  

Tman144: fark Joe Paterno. I don't care how man pointless farking football games he won.

Yes he deserved to die, and I hope he burns in Hell!


That's rather harsh. How about being uncomfortably warm in Heck?
 
2012-01-26 01:05:34 PM  

hachijuhachi: jackthezomber: As an Ohio State fan, I'm proud to see my school raping very few (if any) children. I recommend Penn State fans come on over to Columbus. The hotels, parking, and restaurants are better, and we rape very few children at Ohio State. Very, very few, if any.

I guess if PSU were really any good, they wouldn't be raping so many children. Ha ha, how'd that end of the season go, by the way? HA HA

Said with all the class TOSU fans are famous for.


You're right. It's preferable and much classier to blindly support a coach who facilitated child rape. And the members of the coaching staff who facilitiated it. And the administration who facilitated child rape.

Those darn Buckeyes and their hurtful words...
 
2012-01-26 01:09:43 PM  
This whole thing... the rabid hate, the desperate defense of JoePa... it annoys me to no end.

McQueary comes to Joe (instead of calling the police) and tells him something (we really don't know what since there is McQueary's version and Paterno's version) went on in that shower with Sandusky. Joe calls Curley/Schultze and they talk to McQueary about what went on. Joe (as far as we know) does nothing further.

I've seen it argued that Joe should have went to the police. Here's a link to the PSU org chart (sorry, it's a .pdf ) Link (new window).

The police reported directly to Schultze so it could be argued that he went over their head, effectively going to the police commissioner rather than the police themselves. Curley and Schultze opted to bury this and they'll burn for it. Unfortunately, I am not convinced that the police department nor other any law enforcement entity in the Centre region wouldn't have buried it as well even if directly reported by Paterno or McQueary. So hey, fine, whatever. Joe also could have pressured his superiors to ban Sandusky from the facilities, if not done so himself... but as far as we know, he didn't. This angers some of my friends and fellow alumni, but Joe needed to go, and the BOT did the right thing by unceremoniously canning him. He admitted himself that he wished he had done more. Did he fail? Nah, I won't go that far. Failing would have been telling McQueary that he must have been seeing things and to keep his mouth shut. But he certainly didn't morally excel in this situation as he should have, and for that, he was canned and will have his legacy tarnished. It's too bad that (what I believe to be) a basically good man will be remembered for this, but that's how life is and had he just lived up to his own ideal, it wouldn't matter because he would have done more.

I think that there needs to be a purge in the administration. I don't think a death penalty for the program accomplishes anything but to damage the economy of the area. (it's not like the football program is going to be all that successful for a while anyway) But I do think that nuking the administration and those people that allowed this to happen under their watch needs to happen... immediately. I think the Clery act needs to be exercised here. I think there needs to be a number of civil payouts to these kids.

The whole "start the healing" things is BS. Those kids are the ones who need the healing. And while I don't think that healing should come at the expense of the students in the university (like the oft-repeated "Arthur Andersening" that gets thrown around in these threads), the people that oversaw this mess should be publicly shamed much in the same way as Paterno has been for arguably a lesser offense and I'd be happy if more of them saw actual prison time.

I'd even be fine if a lot of the BOT was gone as well. To actually put donations to the school ahead of the massive shiatstorm enveloping the school? That's a farking travesty. It disgusts me to think that after all of this blew up, and after the way this thing has been handled by my alma mater, that they came to me and solicit funds! Fark them in their ear with a rusty spork!

Clean house and show me you have your shiat together and MAYBE I'll consider sending money to dear old state.

RIP Joe, it's too bad you couldn't live up to your own standard. It's too bad you'll be remembered like this, but tough titty said the kitty when the milk went dry. You should have done more, and you recognized it. It's too bad so many of my fellow alumni cannot.

/class of '04
 
2012-01-26 01:11:03 PM  

hachijuhachi: jackthezomber: As an Ohio State fan, I'm proud to see my school raping very few (if any) children. I recommend Penn State fans come on over to Columbus. The hotels, parking, and restaurants are better, and we rape very few children at Ohio State. Very, very few, if any.

I guess if PSU were really any good, they wouldn't be raping so many children. Ha ha, how'd that end of the season go, by the way? HA HA

Said with all the class TOSU fans are famous for.


www.inquisitr.com
 
2012-01-26 01:15:31 PM  
As an alum and still a resident in the area (but not an employee of PSU), I'll reserve my outrage until the results of the court case(s). If it turns out that Joe was active in the coverup and that he was complacent, then I will agree to evicerate him like the rest of you. If it turns out that McQueary didn't see what he thought he saw and this is all a money grab from a creepy old man (unlikely, but possible), then I will be up front campaigning for Joe's Sainthood.

Until then, I'm going to try and act like a civil human being and wait until all the facts are out, not just a Grand Jury report (which is only the Prosecution's point of view) and some accusations. The days of pitchforks and torches are over. Reserve your tar and feathers for sentencing, not arrest.

On a side note: Maybe it's time to re-think your position in life if you end up on the same side as the Westboro freaks. It is possible to not like child-rape, wait for all the facts to come out, and still hate everything the WBC do. It's not a binary situation. Regardless of how the political machine has tried to convince us, there are always more than 2 options in this world for everything.

/If everyone else involved would have done the legal minimum lke JoePa did in 2002, Sandusky would've been investigated (And likely charged) then and none of this would have happened. He wasn't the break in the chain.
 
2012-01-26 01:25:23 PM  
I'll leave this here: Link (new window)
 
2012-01-26 01:57:37 PM  

solaufein: I'll leave this here: Link (new window)



Damn.
 
2012-01-26 01:59:24 PM  

solaufein: I'll leave this here: Link (new window)


pretty powerful - I like her idea of using today as a day for survivors or remembering those who died because of the things Paterno hid and Sandusky did.
 
2012-01-26 02:00:06 PM  

fatalvenom: solaufein: I'll leave this here: Link (new window)


Damn.


Wow...so that's what you get when you know your buddy is raping children in the shower and you don't call the cops.
 
2012-01-26 02:05:10 PM  
www.gazzettanews.com
 
2012-01-26 02:06:41 PM  

fatalvenom: Damn


p the boiler: pretty powerful -


gimmegimme: Wow.


Yeah, pretty much my reaction, along with some tears.
 
2012-01-26 02:12:44 PM  
fark you for not doing your goddamn job or fulfilling your most basic moral obligation as an adult to protect children who were being harmed. And spare me your excuses, and your pleas for "respect", and "remembering the good things" you are rubbing salt in the wounds of every child that was victimized by Jerry Sandusky while he sat back and did nothing.

That is some righteous anger. Justified in my opinion. (from the Kos link)
 
2012-01-26 02:16:49 PM  

Boxingoutsider: As a long time PA resident, I have a couple points.

1) The cult of personality regarding JoePa is ridiculous. People going after the accusers, going out of their way to excuse Joe, etc. Just goes to show how powerful sports are and how weak minded most people are.

2) The people who sweat Paterno do so because he was a bastion of morality. The guy who sat players before Bowl games for minor infractions, who ran a "clean" program and never cheated, the guy who passed up more money to stay at PSU. They continue to venerate him for being so moral, when the biggest moral test of his life, he failed miserably and repeatedly. Sitting a player and losing a bowl game is about a billion times less important than stopping child rape.

3) It's clear that Paterno wasn't really that smart, wasn't really that curious and had lost his marbles perhaps as early as his early 70's. He was pretty much a simpleton.

4) Any time you confront Paterno supporters with "well, if that was your child getting raped, do you think he did enough?" you get enough cognitive dissonance to make their heads explode.


As another PA resident, let me tell ya, you hit the nail on the head.

Two people I knew for years, who are normally very logical and reasonable, who just shut off their rational judgment when Penn State is involved. Very cult-like, and disturbing.

As for Paterno, everything I hear is how much he did for "the team", his "players" and the University. And that seems to be the problem - he had tunnel vision. If it was Penn State or football-related, he handled it. Since this kid wasn't a student, he wasn't his responsibility, and the fact that McQuery and Sandusky WERE Penn State, gave them preference in the situation (Paterno said he didn't want to take further action because it would look like he favored or disfavored Sandusky, so he did nothing). Ultimately, as you said, what hangs Paterno, and pisses people off, is his reputation as Mr. Morality, and in this abuse situation he at best passed the buck without concern and at worst intentionally enabled abuse. He couldn't explain himself out of it, either.

This explains the alumni as well (not all of them) - they circle wagons for Penn State. Dismiss the victims, marginalize the university involvement, blame the Trustees for selling out JoePa and the University, etc.
 
2012-01-26 02:20:00 PM  

MattyFridays: I still don't understand why people are so quick to dance on Joe Paterno's grave but act like McQueary is blameless.

He's the real problem. He's the real enabler. And in the end, he sold out those kids for a job.


I don't think there is one single solitary person on Fark that has ever 'danced on Joe Paterno's grave' and also 'acted like McQuery is blameless' Not one.
 
2012-01-26 02:20:50 PM  
The thing I can't figure out at all is how he remained the coach for so damned long, yet only won the championship TWICE. How in the hell could a head coach keep his job that long?

Idolizing a coach is stupid, especially one that wasn't that successful.
 
2012-01-26 02:21:08 PM  

beta_plus: jackthezomber: beta_plus: jackthezomber: beta_plus: That place is just beyond creepy.

Here's a story (new window) about internal memos showing that Penn States primary concern was how the scandal would impact donations. Not sure it's in the article linked, but my personal favorite to read was that university officials were instructed to remind outraged donors that they couldn't get any money back.

Stay classy, Pedo State.

[thecomicnews.com image 640x386]

i strongly suspect that every penn state employee, alumnus, and student is a pedophile or supports the cause of pedophiles.

I don't recall anyone feeling very sorry for all of the poor innocent employees of these guys:

[www.joefino.com image 640x282]

But it's different when it's a university - they shouldn't be held to the same standards and consequences as everyone else.

look i hate learning and education as much as anyone. i just don't think this is the right way to take apart public education.

That school makes a mockery of the whole concept of public education. It's a private university when it doesn't want to comply with FOIA laws, but a public one so that it can get sovereign immunity and limited liability in the civil suits that will follow a Sandusky conviction. Oh, and BTW, there are 2 other professors in your precious "public" school, Neisworth and Lasaga, who are under suspicion for child rape at Penn State. Lasaga is already serving 20 years for raping a kid at Yale. Neisworth (you can't make this stuff up) is a Professor of Childhood Development of AUTISTIC CHILDREN.

And let's just forget that Ray Gricar, who tried to prosecute Sandusky in 1998 but didn't have enough evidence, disappeared from the face of the earth with his car found abandoned and locked, his laptop thrown in a river with the hard drive missing, and the hard drive found later and unreadable.

But we must protect public education because nothing is more important for our great American Republic! Trivial matters like the ru ...


Amen.
 
2012-01-26 02:24:10 PM  

MixxMaster: The thing I can't figure out at all is how he remained the coach for so damned long, yet only won the championship TWICE. How in the hell could a head coach keep his job that long?

Idolizing a coach is stupid, especially one that wasn't that successful.


Well, see, he was a moral leader who ran a program "the right way." So his occasional mediocre seasons were part of the bargain. Penn State didn't cheat like all those other programs that won more titles.

It just condoned rape of children, no big deal.
 
2012-01-26 02:26:04 PM  

solaufein: fatalvenom: Damn

p the boiler: pretty powerful -

gimmegimme: Wow.

Yeah, pretty much my reaction, along with some tears.


Especially when I got to her follow-up where she discusses the reaction that people had when she Boobiesed it. Imagine pouring your heart out like that and the first thing out of your audience's mouth is name-calling to that degree.

Joe Paterno apologists are some seriously screwed up people.
 
2012-01-26 02:32:06 PM  

solaufein: I'll leave this here: Link (new window)


Somehow I doubt she'll be a speaker at the service. Though she should be.

I hear that they charge for attendance to the public service:

A public memorial service will be held Thursday at 2 p.m. at the Bryce Jordan Center, near the Penn State campus. "A Memorial For Joe" service is requiring tickets for admission with a limit of two tickets per person. The tickets, free of charge, can be ordered online or by calling 1-800-NITTANY. They will be avaliable as of 10 a.m. on Tuesday, January 24. (new window)

No mention if the proceeds go to abused kids. Not holding my breath on that.

Maybe they'll stuff his body in a glass case at Main ala Lenin.
 
2012-01-26 02:34:47 PM  

SaltyDonnie: solaufein: I'll leave this here: Link (new window)

Somehow I doubt she'll be a speaker at the service. Though she should be.

I hear that they charge for attendance to the public service:

A public memorial service will be held Thursday at 2 p.m. at the Bryce Jordan Center, near the Penn State campus. "A Memorial For Joe" service is requiring tickets for admission with a limit of two tickets per person. The tickets, free of charge, can be ordered online or by calling 1-800-NITTANY. They will be avaliable as of 10 a.m. on Tuesday, January 24. (new window)

No mention if the proceeds go to abused kids. Not holding my breath on that.

Maybe they'll stuff his body in a glass case at Main ala Lenin.


That link has the tickets as "free of charge", which is not what the local news reported yesterday.
 
2012-01-26 02:39:34 PM  

SaltyDonnie: SaltyDonnie: solaufein: I'll leave this here: Link (new window)

Somehow I doubt she'll be a speaker at the service. Though she should be.

I hear that they charge for attendance to the public service:

A public memorial service will be held Thursday at 2 p.m. at the Bryce Jordan Center, near the Penn State campus. "A Memorial For Joe" service is requiring tickets for admission with a limit of two tickets per person. The tickets, free of charge, can be ordered online or by calling 1-800-NITTANY. They will be avaliable as of 10 a.m. on Tuesday, January 24. (new window)

No mention if the proceeds go to abused kids. Not holding my breath on that.

Maybe they'll stuff his body in a glass case at Main ala Lenin.

That link has the tickets as "free of charge", which is not what the local news reported yesterday.


The tickets and parking were free. The tickets were only because the venue couldn't hold the expected numbers and they had to have some method of crowd control. The ushers and workers consisted mostly of people volunteering their time. Not sure which local news you are watching, but it's probably not the first thing they've sensationalized in this story to generate more viewership and frenzy.
 
2012-01-26 02:42:29 PM  
I found this (new window) gem, basically a guy whining about Westboro protesting the "king".

Best line, though...

* What I am saying is that for more than 60 years, Paterno took thousands of young football players and did all he could to ensure they became men, both on and off the field. *

My response...

"Probably not the BEST way to put that, given the situation... "
 
2012-01-26 02:44:32 PM  
Sounds like Best Korea
 
2012-01-26 02:48:35 PM  

IXI Jim IXI: I found this (new window) gem, basically a guy whining about Westboro protesting the "king".

Best line, though...

* What I am saying is that for more than 60 years, Paterno took thousands of young football players and did all he could to ensure they became men, both on and off the field. *

My response...

"Probably not the BEST way to put that, given the situation... "


My response was to express my disdain for WBC while cheering them on for this one gig.
 
2012-01-26 02:51:15 PM  
I might hate the school in ohio, but that is about the rivalry. I don't particularly hate any one ohio person, and usually those people are the kind of people I would have beers with if not for the rivalry.

I think the opposite might be true over this penn state pedony lions thing. It is pitiful. I guess I have more pity than hate. I don't really hate psu, but some of those fans are sick. I wouldn't even say that about fans of that school in columbus.
 
2012-01-26 03:36:33 PM  
I keep hearing people call in to the radio programs and talk about how the good stuff Paterno did should outweigh the negative he allowed. I really don't understand that logic at all. People who do atrocious and horrible things are often driven by guilt to be exceptionally rigorous in other areas. Being driven by guilt to make amends is admirable, once you've made restitution for the damage you did. No one cares that you are donating to charity to cover your guilt for illegal toxic waste dumping while you are still dumping toxic waste, and that's what Paterno was doing. Everything he did to cover his guilty conscience means absolutely nothing while he was still letting people around him use his program as a breeding ground for abuse.

I hope he was wracked by soul crushing guilt every day of his life.
 
2012-01-26 03:55:37 PM  
Awesome headline. +1
 
2012-01-26 04:52:19 PM  
Subby can Bite Me.
 
2012-01-26 05:30:41 PM  
i604.photobucket.com
 
2012-01-26 05:41:55 PM  

TV's Vinnie: If you make a religion out of college football, please kill yourself. You are part of the problem.


This times however many.

The guy coached football. Granted, he was good to his players and nice to the other students, and I'll give him credit for that. But the world doesn't begin and with football, and Penn State's biggest problem is that they don't get that.

/never a fan of Penn State
//Fight on!
 
2012-01-26 05:49:05 PM  
The impotent rage in this thread is amazing.
 
2012-01-26 05:49:33 PM  
Here's the follow-up to my original post. The tribute page (new window)
 
2012-01-26 05:53:47 PM  
That's some denial there. How you can reduce "Paterno enabled Sandusky for at least 12 years" to Paterno did nothing wrong" is beyond me.
 
2012-01-26 06:02:58 PM  

oryx: That's some denial there. How you can reduce "Paterno enabled Sandusky for at least 12 years" to Paterno did nothing wrong" is beyond me.


Who is saying this?
 
2012-01-26 06:09:52 PM  

Cheez_Wit: TV's Vinnie: If you make a religion out of college football, please kill yourself. You are part of the problem.

This times however many.

The guy coached football. Granted, he was good to his players and nice to the other students, and I'll give him credit for that. But the world doesn't begin and with football, and Penn State's biggest problem is that they don't get that.

/never a fan of Penn State
//Fight on!


The respect for Paterno didn't come from football alone. Honestly, if you weren't from the area or familiar with him and what he did it's understandable if you assume that it was about football.
 
2012-01-26 07:25:05 PM  

kim jong-un: Cheez_Wit: TV's Vinnie: If you make a religion out of college football, please kill yourself. You are part of the problem.

This times however many.

The guy coached football. Granted, he was good to his players and nice to the other students, and I'll give him credit for that. But the world doesn't begin and with football, and Penn State's biggest problem is that they don't get that.

/never a fan of Penn State
//Fight on!

The respect for Paterno didn't come from football alone. Honestly, if you weren't from the area or familiar with him and what he did it's understandable if you assume that it was about football.


And this is why Paterno's terrible judgment and morals are central to the issue. When he confirmed his friend was literally farking little boys in the shower, he didn't call the cops. This demonstrates moral bankruptcy and Gingrich levels of selfishness.
 
2012-01-26 07:29:19 PM  

MattyFridays: I still don't understand why people are so quick to dance on Joe Paterno's grave but act like McQueary is blameless.

He's the real problem. He's the real enabler. And in the end, he sold out those kids for a job.


Folks are going to disagree with you, but THIS.

Toss in Spanier and his aides (two of which are now charged with perjury) as well. For the love of FSM, PSU's internal investigation directly reported to Spanier and the guy didn't tell the trustees (according to the Associated Press) save for a single 7 minute meeting, where he was vague as hell. Citation Provided

From the grand jury, the only person who a jury said should have done more was McQueary. Paterno never saw anything and only got the story from McQueary (based on some of the things he's said, it's anyone's guess how he actually phrased it). McQueary's statement that he referred to it as "horsing around" vs. what he later testified to means that people didn't have the whole story. And just a little gem from the grand jury was the admonishment of McQueary, not Paterno for not doing more based on what he knew. Citation Provided to one of those documents

A lot of folks say that Paterno had a moral obligation, and yes he did, which is why I don't fault people for the animosity towards him. I have some myself, and yes he should have done more. However, I'm saving up my anger for McQueary (who should have done a LOT more), for Spanier and his subordinates (who covered it up), for the PSU trustees (who failed to step up once things hit the fan and are still only interested with PSU's inflow of donations), and most of all for Sandusky (obvious reasons).

Paterno's an easy target, and a valid one. Just don't lose sight of all the players who made this happen (and just how much of a role they played).

/PSU actually called me last week for donations
//I couldn't help but ask if it was to pay for their legal defense
///they hung up on me, lol.
 
2012-01-26 07:31:28 PM  
sorry fat fingered the link for the grand jury

Citation provided
 
2012-01-26 07:47:13 PM  

kim jong-un: Cheez_Wit: TV's Vinnie: If you make a religion out of college football, please kill yourself. You are part of the problem.

This times however many.

The guy coached football. Granted, he was good to his players and nice to the other students, and I'll give him credit for that. But the world doesn't begin and with football, and Penn State's biggest problem is that they don't get that.

/never a fan of Penn State
//Fight on!

The respect for Paterno didn't come from football alone. Honestly, if you weren't from the area or familiar with him and what he did it's understandable if you assume that it was about football.


I am from the area, and I'm familiar with him because people here eat, breath, live, sleep, and shiat Penn State and the Nittany Lions. Paterno's goal was to protect the football program at any cost, and Spanier's and the administration's goal was to protect Paterno at any cost. I know Paterno donated elebenty-bazillion dollars to PSU and I know that he did good things for the university. That doesn't negate the fellatio that he received (and continues to receive) from fans and the administration. Had there been less fellatio and more scrutiny and oversight, Sandusky wouldn't have been able to diddle little boys on Penn State property.
 
2012-01-26 07:47:36 PM  
My 2 cents worth, from my own experience as a "whistleblower":
People criticize McQuarry for not 'doing enough', and point to the absense of a Police Report to 'disprove' his testimony - but absence of Proof is not proof of Absence.

I personally videotaped a car hit a pedestrian in a crosswalk and drive off over 400 feet at full speed with the victim still on the hood before two motorcyle cops stopped the car.
About a dozen groups of people went over to give their statements, but were all sent away.
I tried filing a report on several occasions - but the police department handed me back my paperwork each time. (because somebody was shot dead in the lobby a couple years ago, while the videocameras were "out of film" I didn't want to press my luck)

When I filed an Official Complaint, I specifically described what my videotape depicted in detail. The "investigating" Sergeant said that he had "interviewed" the officer, who said that the car had stopped "several times" but the victim had "refused to get off the hood". When I pointed out that my videotape would prove the officer was lying, he told me that the investigation was closed. I got a letter from the Chief of Police to confirm this.

My point is: if something can get Memory-Holed in front of dozens of witnesses, with incontrovertible video evidence, then I can only imagine what kind of a Memory-Holing those poor kids got in the locker room.
Perhaps McQuarry didn't "do enough" - but on the other hand I have to cut him more slack than Pederno.
 
2012-01-26 07:54:44 PM  

LegalizeThoughtCrime: My 2 cents worth, from my own experience as a "whistleblower":
People criticize McQuarry for not 'doing enough', and point to the absense of a Police Report to 'disprove' his testimony - but absence of Proof is not proof of Absence.

I personally videotaped a car hit a pedestrian in a crosswalk and drive off over 400 feet at full speed with the victim still on the hood before two motorcyle cops stopped the car.
About a dozen groups of people went over to give their statements, but were all sent away.
I tried filing a report on several occasions - but the police department handed me back my paperwork each time. (because somebody was shot dead in the lobby a couple years ago, while the videocameras were "out of film" I didn't want to press my luck)

When I filed an Official Complaint, I specifically described what my videotape depicted in detail. The "investigating" Sergeant said that he had "interviewed" the officer, who said that the car had stopped "several times" but the victim had "refused to get off the hood". When I pointed out that my videotape would prove the officer was lying, he told me that the investigation was closed. I got a letter from the Chief of Police to confirm this.

My point is: if something can get Memory-Holed in front of dozens of witnesses, with incontrovertible video evidence, then I can only imagine what kind of a Memory-Holing those poor kids got in the locker room.
Perhaps McQuarry didn't "do enough" - but on the other hand I have to cut him more slack than Pederno.


I just wish someone could provide me with a link to the 911 call that McQueary made after he saw the anal rape of a child. Or a link to the police report that was filed after Paterno called 911 and handed McQueary the phone and said, "Jesus Christ, tell them what you saw and get some cops down here."
 
2012-01-26 08:06:46 PM  

Cheez_Wit: kim jong-un: Cheez_Wit: Paterno's goal was to protect the football program at any cost, and Spanier's and the administration's goal was to protect Paterno at any cost.


Citation Needed
 
2012-01-26 08:19:48 PM  
Did that wreath from NAMBLA get there in time for the funeral?
 
2012-01-26 08:31:17 PM  
Anyone outside of his family and hospital crew seen the body?


A closed casket? For what? It's not like he was mangled in a car wreck, not to mention he couldn't look much worse in that casket as he did when he was alive

I think he faked his death
 
2012-01-26 10:00:12 PM  

meathome: A lot of folks say that Paterno had a moral obligation, and yes he did, which is why I don't fault people for the animosity towards him. I have some myself, and yes he should have done more.


I don't care if he could've stopped Sandusky with a single word in a right place. Nothing is worth the "animosity" that Fark is spewing out towards him. But hey, they have their witch, and since he's a witch, he's inhuman, so they can speak ill of him even when he's dead, right?

/Even for Fark, this is way, way overboard.
//Go Bucks.
 
2012-01-26 10:22:24 PM  
I'd like to point out, for anyone who is letting the term "diddling" lessen the impact of what Sandusky did and what JoPa enabled, that the correct term is "forcible sodomy of a minor" and "rape", in addition to "molestation","aggravated assault", "perjury", and --OH shiat DID PSU JUST SCORE A TOUCHTOWN??!!

WE LOVE YOU JOPA YOU'RE THE JOPAINEST JOPA THAT EVER JOPAD A FOOTBALLINEST JOPA!!!!

/If Frank Beamer was caught "diddling" kids, there would be a line around the stadium to hang him.

//WE LOVE YOU JOPA THOSE KIDS ARE JUST HATERS PED STATE WE ARE!!!!
 
2012-01-26 10:31:23 PM  

natural316: I think he faked his death


ya know......natalie and leland noticed an old guy in rolled top khakis, dark glasses at a car wash in Sparks, Nevada by the name of laVarr Rodriguez who drew some offensive football plays that won the high school championship, and ate 3 pizza with anchovies later that day.
 
2012-01-26 10:32:41 PM  

born_yesterday: I

WE LOVE YOU JOPA YOU'RE THE JOPAINEST JOPA THAT EVER JOPAD A FOOTBALLINEST JOPA!!!!



wasn't teh internets shut down last wednesday for JOPA?
 
2012-01-26 11:51:50 PM  
You know what rankles me (and probably most people) about apologists? The man had a job. Everything he did was in self-interest. What he did was coach grown men, not children, grown men, on how to throw/catch a ball. If you're 19 years old and don't know right from wrong, you fail at life and an aging sports coach isn't going to help your ass; most people have mastered that at 8 years old. The 'good' he did (if you can call it that) is all self-interest for him or his employer. Things expected of him due to his position (it's not like any other college football coach isn't doing the same sort of things and all for public image).

So let's get off of the indignant high-horse and pretend we're smearing a 'king' because he fired a servant over something trivial. A grown man had knowledge of serial, despicable crimes that will have long, lasting, and mentally damaging impacts on many people's lives til they are dead and he chose to do next to nothing.

"All that is required for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing." Or in this case, not so good men.
 
2012-01-26 11:58:26 PM  
From the Centre County District Attorney:

"I'd like to set something straight for those (even Joepa's supporters) who are writing and saying Joepa made an error in judgment or failed in his leadership by not calling the police or "following up" on what McQueary told him. He did not make an error or fail to follow up. He did what every other teacher and/or school employee does in Pennsylvania every day. When they learn of such an allegation (usually directly from a student victim), they report it to the guidance office and/or principle, who then reports it to Children & Youth Services, who then notifies police. This is without exception and is and has been accepted protocol in PA for years. It is not the responsibility of the teacher to follow up because he/she expects the administration officials to properly report it. Additionally, the police will not share details of the investigation with the teacher, outside of possibly interviewing him/her. Believe me, we (police) don't want people doing their own investigation or follow-up. How do I know this? I investigate and prosecute these crimes every day and have done so for 17 years. I'm tired of hearing that Joepa made a mistake by not contacting police. Not only did he follow the law in PA, he followed normal protocol which is in place for a reason. If Joe made a mistake and deserved to be fired, then we should be firing hundreds of teachers every year. Joe did NOT make a mistake and those who say he did have no idea what they are talking about. I hope Freeh and his people look into child abuse reporting protocol in PA so Joepa's actions can be placed in the proper perspective. I'm sorry this is so long, but it needed to be made clear to those unfamiliar with these investigations, which I imagine is most people."


There is not one single justified reason for any of the hatred shown to JoePa.
 
2012-01-27 01:00:17 AM  

TheyCallMeC0WB0Y: From the Centre County District Attorney:

"He did what every other teacher and/or school employee does in Pennsylvania every day. When they learn of such an allegation (usually directly from a student victim), they report it to the guidance office and/or principle, who then reports it to Children & Youth Services, who then notifies police."

There is not one single justified reason for any of the hatred shown to JoePa.


I'll bite.

The guidance counselor/principle (sic) nearly always reports family related child abuse. Sandusky was more of an establishment pedo. The possibility of a cover up is pretty plausible. With Penn State's asstastic reaction to the scandal, especially the alumni, it's well established that the entire fruit stand has gone bad.

But Paterno is in fact a scape goat. The trustees walked the fence on his firing. They should have disbanded the entire football program for a decade and let people really figure out what college is meant to do to young people.
 
2012-01-27 02:23:06 AM  

hachijuhachi: jackthezomber: As an Ohio State fan, I'm proud to see my school raping very few (if any) children. I recommend Penn State fans come on over to Columbus. The hotels, parking, and restaurants are better, and we rape very few children at Ohio State. Very, very few, if any.

I guess if PSU were really any good, they wouldn't be raping so many children. Ha ha, how'd that end of the season go, by the way? HA HA

Said with all the class TOSU fans are famous for.


Better to be classless than apologists for child rape. tOSU wins this one.
 
2012-01-27 02:29:08 AM  

LegalizeThoughtCrime: My 2 cents worth, from my own experience as a "whistleblower":
People criticize McQuarry for not 'doing enough', and point to the absense of a Police Report to 'disprove' his testimony - but absence of Proof is not proof of Absence.

I personally videotaped a car hit a pedestrian in a crosswalk and drive off over 400 feet at full speed with the victim still on the hood before two motorcyle cops stopped the car.
About a dozen groups of people went over to give their statements, but were all sent away.
I tried filing a report on several occasions - but the police department handed me back my paperwork each time. (because somebody was shot dead in the lobby a couple years ago, while the videocameras were "out of film" I didn't want to press my luck)

When I filed an Official Complaint, I specifically described what my videotape depicted in detail. The "investigating" Sergeant said that he had "interviewed" the officer, who said that the car had stopped "several times" but the victim had "refused to get off the hood". When I pointed out that my videotape would prove the officer was lying, he told me that the investigation was closed. I got a letter from the Chief of Police to confirm this.

My point is: if something can get Memory-Holed in front of dozens of witnesses, with incontrovertible video evidence, then I can only imagine what kind of a Memory-Holing those poor kids got in the locker room.
Perhaps McQuarry didn't "do enough" - but on the other hand I have to cut him more slack than Pederno.


What a horrible story. I believe all of it. Who were the cops trying to protect? Or were they just being lazy? And your last paragraph is absolutely on the money.
 
2012-01-27 04:36:10 AM  
i42.photobucket.com
 
2012-01-27 07:52:35 AM  

meathome: MattyFridays: I still don't understand why people are so quick to dance on Joe Paterno's grave but act like McQueary is blameless.

He's the real problem. He's the real enabler. And in the end, he sold out those kids for a job.

Folks are going to disagree with you, but THIS.

Toss in Spanier and his aides (two of which are now charged with perjury) as well. For the love of FSM, PSU's internal investigation directly reported to Spanier and the guy didn't tell the trustees (according to the Associated Press) save for a single 7 minute meeting, where he was vague as hell. Citation Provided

From the grand jury, the only person who a jury said should have done more was McQueary. Paterno never saw anything and only got the story from McQueary (based on some of the things he's said, it's anyone's guess how he actually phrased it). McQueary's statement that he referred to it as "horsing around" vs. what he later testified to means that people didn't have the whole story. And just a little gem from the grand jury was the admonishment of McQueary, not Paterno for not doing more based on what he knew. Citation Provided to one of those documents

A lot of folks say that Paterno had a moral obligation, and yes he did, which is why I don't fault people for the animosity towards him. I have some myself, and yes he should have done more. However, I'm saving up my anger for McQueary (who should have done a LOT more), for Spanier and his subordinates (who covered it up), for the PSU trustees (who failed to step up once things hit the fan and are still only interested with PSU's inflow of donations), and most of all for Sandusky (obvious reasons).

Paterno's an easy target, and a valid one. Just don't lose sight of all the players who made this happen (and just how much of a role they played).

/PSU actually called me last week for donations
//I couldn't help but ask if it was to pay for their legal defense
///they hung up on me, lol.


I too got a call last week asking for $$$ and I said the same thing. I got yelled at for 10 minutes. The language used was nothing to lol about. I so wish I had had the capability to record the call. I will never give them another dime. I agree with your assessment of that boy-man McQueary. I can say no more on that subject, but wish I could.

I have so much I could say in general about this Penn State cluster fark, but why bother? Paterno has been canonized, will forever be remember as a god, he has a library named after him and soon will have THE FARKING BLOODY FOOTBALL STADIUM named after him and the victims of the abuse will be vilified for the rest of their lives (it's already started). That's PENN STATE PROUD biatchES!

/any odds on Sandusky walking away scot-free?
 
2012-01-27 08:01:28 AM  
Mary and the disciples could have done more too.
 
2012-01-27 09:08:20 AM  

hillary: SaltyDonnie: No mention if the proceeds go to abused kids. Not holding my breath on that. Maybe they'll stuff his body in a glass case at Main ala Lenin.

Yeah, well he ain't no Jeremy Bentham, that's fer damned sure.

[www.wumpus.demon.co.uk image 640x547]

Yes, that is the real deceased Jeremy Bentham, father of modern corrections, not a mock-up. He was kind of a hero of mine back in college.


He looks good for his age. Hope I look that good when I've been dead that long.
 
2012-01-27 09:09:09 AM  

hillary: SaltyDonnie: No mention if the proceeds go to abused kids. Not holding my breath on that. Maybe they'll stuff his body in a glass case at Main ala Lenin.

Yeah, well he ain't no Jeremy Bentham, that's fer damned sure.

[www.wumpus.demon.co.uk image 640x547]

Yes, that is the real deceased Jeremy Bentham, father of modern corrections, not a mock-up. He was kind of a hero of mine back in college.


www.irregulartimes.com
 
2012-01-27 09:11:05 AM  

abmoraz: SaltyDonnie: SaltyDonnie: solaufein: I'll leave this here: Link (new window)

Somehow I doubt she'll be a speaker at the service. Though she should be.

I hear that they charge for attendance to the public service:

A public memorial service will be held Thursday at 2 p.m. at the Bryce Jordan Center, near the Penn State campus. "A Memorial For Joe" service is requiring tickets for admission with a limit of two tickets per person. The tickets, free of charge, can be ordered online or by calling 1-800-NITTANY. They will be avaliable as of 10 a.m. on Tuesday, January 24. (new window)

No mention if the proceeds go to abused kids. Not holding my breath on that.

Maybe they'll stuff his body in a glass case at Main ala Lenin.

That link has the tickets as "free of charge", which is not what the local news reported yesterday.

The tickets and parking were free. The tickets were only because the venue couldn't hold the expected numbers and they had to have some method of crowd control. The ushers and workers consisted mostly of people volunteering their time. Not sure which local news you are watching, but it's probably not the first thing they've sensationalized in this story to generate more viewership and frenzy.


I THINK it was WTAE 4 Action News, but I may be wrong. I had it on in the background, and heard "charge for tickets" when discussing the Paterno service. It actually stopped me cold because I thought "nah, they couldn't be that tacky". I can see the logic in using "tickets" to limit the amount of people in the facility for safety purposes.
 
2012-01-27 09:27:04 AM  

TheyCallMeC0WB0Y: From the Centre County District Attorney:

"I'd like to set something straight for those (even Joepa's supporters) who are writing and saying Joepa made an error in judgment or failed in his leadership by not calling the police or "following up" on what McQueary told him. He did not make an error or fail to follow up. He did what every other teacher and/or school employee does in Pennsylvania every day. When they learn of such an allegation (usually directly from a student victim), they report it to the guidance office and/or principle, who then reports it to Children & Youth Services, who then notifies police. This is without exception and is and has been accepted protocol in PA for years. It is not the responsibility of the teacher to follow up because he/she expects the administration officials to properly report it. Additionally, the police will not share details of the investigation with the teacher, outside of possibly interviewing him/her. Believe me, we (police) don't want people doing their own investigation or follow-up. How do I know this? I investigate and prosecute these crimes every day and have done so for 17 years. I'm tired of hearing that Joepa made a mistake by not contacting police. Not only did he follow the law in PA, he followed normal protocol which is in place for a reason. If Joe made a mistake and deserved to be fired, then we should be firing hundreds of teachers every year. Joe did NOT make a mistake and those who say he did have no idea what they are talking about. I hope Freeh and his people look into child abuse reporting protocol in PA so Joepa's actions can be placed in the proper perspective. I'm sorry this is so long, but it needed to be made clear to those unfamiliar with these investigations, which I imagine is most people."

There is not one single justified reason for any of the hatred shown to JoePa.


Do does the DA address what Paterno should have done had he saw Sandusky on campus after that? I mean, is it his call to toss him off campus, or his boss's? If I were in Paterno's shoes, if for no other reason that to cover my own ass, I would want a direction from on high as to what to do if I see him hand in hand with a kid again on campus, or at any other Penn State activity for that matter. If I cared about it as a person, I'd be honor-bound or at least curious as to how allegations of child sex abuse against a former college and employee of mine which happened on a business site for which I had responsibility turned out, so I should know to shun him. Again, the DA's discussion is from the LEGAL standpoint, which is why JoePa wasn't charged - but if JoePa was a janitor that McQueary took aside and told, he'd have a whole lot less pull and responsibility (and liability) than the head of the football program with a statute to his honor on front of the campus. All that does is relieve Paterno of criminal liability, NOT moral culpability. And for someone that is held on peoples' shoulders as a moral icon (EVEN NOW), that ain't good enough.

they report it to the guidance office and/or principle, who then reports it to Children & Youth Services, who then notifies police.


This is the problem - no concept of personal responsibility. No inner desire to see if the situation is begin addressed. Pass the info to a govt. service and then wipe your mind of it. If I did that in my profession, nothing would ever get done, as I have to light fires under several asses a day to see movement on anything, ESPECIALLY if it's govt. related. Tie the school's connection to the university police and the school's interest in playing down this incident and you have every reason to want fires lit. And that's the point, no one really looked into it afterward. And that's fine, but don't hold the guy up as a moral beacon on the hill.
 
2012-01-27 09:27:46 AM  
All this outrage from people just because some football players picked on them in high school. Pathetic.
 
2012-01-27 09:31:48 AM  

TheyCallMeC0WB0Y: From the Centre County District Attorney:

"I'd like to set something straight for those (even Joepa's supporters) who are writing and saying Joepa made an error in judgment or failed in his leadership by not calling the police or "following up" on what McQueary told him. He did not make an error or fail to follow up. He did what every other teacher and/or school employee does in Pennsylvania every day. When they learn of such an allegation (usually directly from a student victim), they report it to the guidance office and/or principle, who then reports it to Children & Youth Services, who then notifies police. This is without exception and is and has been accepted protocol in PA for years. It is not the responsibility of the teacher to follow up because he/she expects the administration officials to properly report it. Additionally, the police will not share details of the investigation with the teacher, outside of possibly interviewing him/her. Believe me, we (police) don't want people doing their own investigation or follow-up. How do I know this? I investigate and prosecute these crimes every day and have done so for 17 years. I'm tired of hearing that Joepa made a mistake by not contacting police. Not only did he follow the law in PA, he followed normal protocol which is in place for a reason. If Joe made a mistake and deserved to be fired, then we should be firing hundreds of teachers every year. Joe did NOT make a mistake and those who say he did have no idea what they are talking about. I hope Freeh and his people look into child abuse reporting protocol in PA so Joepa's actions can be placed in the proper perspective. I'm sorry this is so long, but it needed to be made clear to those unfamiliar with these investigations, which I imagine is most people."

There is not one single justified reason for any of the hatred shown to JoePa.


I'd also add that Paterno's actions were INCIDENTALLY legal, meaning, he acted as he did because he acted that way, NOT because he reviewed Article X, Subsection Y, Paragraph Z for how to report sex abuse. The guy's own statements show he bumbled, stumbled and delayed through the reporting, and he admitted he "didn't understand male on male rape" (if that can be believed), so that's why he couldn't step up and say "I followed the law, and did the right thing as anyone will tell ya" because he didn't, and didn't know that - he acted out of other motives, and it happened to coincide with the bare ass minimum legal standard.
 
2012-01-27 10:35:18 AM  

TheyCallMeC0WB0Y: From the Centre County District Attorney:

"I'd like to set something straight for those (even Joepa's supporters) who are writing and saying Joepa made an error in judgment or failed in his leadership by not calling the police or "following up" on what McQueary told him. He did not make an error or fail to follow up. He did what every other teacher and/or school employee does in Pennsylvania every day. When they learn of such an allegation (usually directly from a student victim), they report it to the guidance office and/or principle, who then reports it to Children & Youth Services, who then notifies police. This is without exception and is and has been accepted protocol in PA for years. It is not the responsibility of the teacher to follow up because he/she expects the administration officials to properly report it. Additionally, the police will not share details of the investigation with the teacher, outside of possibly interviewing him/her. Believe me, we (police) don't want people doing their own investigation or follow-up. How do I know this? I investigate and prosecute these crimes every day and have done so for 17 years. I'm tired of hearing that Joepa made a mistake by not contacting police. Not only did he follow the law in PA, he followed normal protocol which is in place for a reason. If Joe made a mistake and deserved to be fired, then we should be firing hundreds of teachers every year. Joe did NOT make a mistake and those who say he did have no idea what they are talking about. I hope Freeh and his people look into child abuse reporting protocol in PA so Joepa's actions can be placed in the proper perspective. I'm sorry this is so long, but it needed to be made clear to those unfamiliar with these investigations, which I imagine is most people."

There is not one single justified reason for any of the hatred shown to JoePa.


Except that there is.

Legally, Paterno did what the law required him to do. He reported what he knew (or had heard) of Sandusky's behavior to the proper people, in this case Curley and Schultz, both of whom are now facing trial in Harrisburg on charges of perjury and failing to report. Post-Gazette article here. (new window) Again, the code of ethics at Penn State apparently means protecting Paterno and the football program at any cost, even if it means going to jail for it.

However, there are several bills (new window) currently before the state legislature that would require those in Paterno's position who learn of abuse to make a report directly to the police or to the Department of Public Welfare. This would bring PA's mandatory reporting law in line with those of other states.

And for those who believe that Paterno's obligation began and ended with telling Curley and Schultz, and that he had no other obligation, legal or moral, it speaks volumes about your own moral code. Paterno chose to do the minimum. He had the power to do a lot more and didn't, and that's what makes him a scumbag here. If you can't understand that, you need to re-assess your own morals and values.
 
2012-01-27 02:00:20 PM  
I like the part where you said, "Except that there is" and then reference something that has been proposed AFTER the fact.

Paterno did his job. He was never privy to the details of the investigation. He was told it had been resolved and Sandusky lost his access to the facilities.

Again, referencing the District Attorney's statement, Paterno has NO LEGAL RESPONSIBILITY OR RECOURSE beyond his initial report.

If the 'investigation' (which is now known as nothing more than a cover-up) had revealed that Sandusky was innocent and Paterno called a press conference based on a rumor, what kind of liability would he be opening himself and the University up to?

Of course, in light of the fact that we NOW know about the cover-up, that we NOW know about the series of multiple abuses, you want to judge Paterno on EVERYTHING and not the very little he was told SECOND-HAND.

How high & mighty of you.

Quite honestly, I hold the Paterno accusers as culpable of enabling child abuse for they are ignoring the crimes of the people who decided to cover-up the abuse in the first place.
 
2012-01-27 02:25:54 PM  

TheyCallMeC0WB0Y: From the Centre County District Attorney:

"I'd like to set something straight for those (even Joepa's supporters) who are writing and saying Joepa made an error in judgment or failed in his leadership by not calling the police or "following up" on what McQueary told him. He did not make an error or fail to follow up. He did what every other teacher and/or school employee does in Pennsylvania every day. When they learn of such an allegation (usually directly from a student victim), they report it to the guidance office and/or principle, who then reports it to Children & Youth Services, who then notifies police. This is without exception and is and has been accepted protocol in PA for years. It is not the responsibility of the teacher to follow up because he/she expects the administration officials to properly report it. Additionally, the police will not share details of the investigation with the teacher, outside of possibly interviewing him/her. Believe me, we (police) don't want people doing their own investigation or follow-up. How do I know this? I investigate and prosecute these crimes every day and have done so for 17 years. I'm tired of hearing that Joepa made a mistake by not contacting police. Not only did he follow the law in PA, he followed normal protocol which is in place for a reason. If Joe made a mistake and deserved to be fired, then we should be firing hundreds of teachers every year. Joe did NOT make a mistake and those who say he did have no idea what they are talking about. I hope Freeh and his people look into child abuse reporting protocol in PA so Joepa's actions can be placed in the proper perspective. I'm sorry this is so long, but it needed to be made clear to those unfamiliar with these investigations, which I imagine is most people."

There is not one single justified reason for any of the hatred shown to JoePa.


JoePa was not any other administrator or teacher. Here's a guy who told his football players to pick up garbage after football games. And here he goes, doing the absolute minimum?

C'mon!

So, McQueary protects Sandusky for what, now? For what? McQueary, Schultz, the Board of Trustees... they all cover for Sandusky for what?

JoePa gets the record, and then all this shiat breaks loose once the record was secured. farking a sick joke that was. The state of Pennsylvania has some serious issues if anyone thinks this ends with JoePa or Sandusky, and all some of you farkers are upset with is someone posting mean words about JoePa on teh intarwebs?!

Sick ass cult of personality. Maybe we call you Best State instead of Ped State now that Sandusky is in jail.
 
2012-01-27 02:35:03 PM  
The State indeed does have some serious issues. The University, the police, the former District Attorney (who has mysteriously disappeared) President Spanier, The Board of Trustees, The Second mile Charity (who donated 25,000 to Governor Corbett, who then kicked them back to the $3 million in public funds DESPITE knowing about the investigation before it went public)... all these people NEED to be held accountable. THESE are the people who's JOBS it was to handle this.

Yet you focus on the one man who tried to do the right thing.

I blame all of you for allowing child abuse to continue by turning a blind eye and shouting accusations at a dead man who's only crime is he knew too little.
 
2012-01-27 03:15:16 PM  

TheyCallMeC0WB0Y: Yet you focus on the one man who tried to do the right thing.


I think everybody here hating on Paterno agrees there are many culpable parties, but since this is, in fact, a thread ABOUT Paterno, he's getting all the well-deserved rage.

It's actually pretty easy to argue that this whole mess indicates failure on the institutional level. Any one person might have stepped up and saved many young boys from being raped by a predator. All failed.

Including Joe Paterno, Sandusky's close friend.

In the best light, he failed morally to make sure this ended. There is no way he could not be aware this had been covered up - any moral person would have raised questions why the shiat hadn't hit the fan yet and pursued justice before any other children were raped. In the worst light, he was actively involved in covering this up to protect his friend and his program.... no scratch that, there is far worse, but nobody is even talking about that at this point.

/Baffled at the idolizers who defend a child-rape enabler.
 
2012-01-27 03:21:33 PM  
Sandusky's close friend??

See, this is the kind of absurdity that makes us just laugh at all of you as idiots deluded with rage.

JoePa and Sandusky were anything BUT friends. It's stupid shiat like this and shiat like people saying Joe knew about the 1999 incident (or any other case of child abuse) that makes us just ignore you because you are a stupid asshole that just makes shiat up to satisfy his own need to be indignant.

This is just yet ANOTHER reason why YOU are to blame. Not only do you point the finger at the wrong person over the now-known facts, you make up additional untrue shiat to support your ridiculously misplaced rage.
 
2012-01-27 03:38:54 PM  

TheyCallMeC0WB0Y: you are a stupid asshole


Thanks. Please feel free to put me on ignore and bury that head in the sand. Resorting to calling people names, though? Yeah, classy.

I guess you do have rage... for people posting on Fark. ...for people criticizing somebody you clearly idolize. That's not very rational.

As for their friendship... nobody really knows for sure, I guess (there are conflicting reports on that count). I would think if there was no friendship, then why the inaction? It doesn't really make sense at all at that point... no reason at all for Paterno not to squish Sandusky like a bug on the report or inappropriate behavior in his facilities (even assuming Paterno honestly thought McQueary told him Sandusky was "fooling around" and not "anally raping an 11 year old boy")
 
2012-01-27 03:51:07 PM  
The only conflicting 'reports' about Paterno and Sandusky's personal relationship are baseless assumptions form morons like you.

They had a professional relationship at best while Sandusky was on staff. What makes you think they suddenly got all chummy after Paterno told Sandusky that he wouldn't ever be getting the head coaching position that Sandusky had been craving his whole life?

As for their friendship... we DO know for sure. But assholes like you refuse to let up with the accusations because you feel better when you're angrier.

In summary, go fark yourself. When you're done with that, go DIAF.,

farking prick.
 
2012-01-27 03:58:35 PM  

TheyCallMeC0WB0Y: In summary, go fark yourself. When you're done with that, go DIAF.,

farking prick.


Here you go... I'm not so much a prick I wouldn't offer you something to sop up those tears.

1.bp.blogspot.com

memedepot.com
 
2012-01-27 04:06:16 PM  
fark you.

Don't biatch about enabling people enabling child rape and then go and ENABLE CHILD RAPE by completely ignoring all the people who actually enabled the child rape in the first place.

You are one of the DUMBEST bastards I have ever had the misfortune of communicating with. Your inability to grasp the simplest truth is astounding.
I hope to christ you contract testicular cancer to prevent the world from succumbing to your genetic reproduction.
 
2012-01-27 04:18:48 PM  

ExperianScaresCthulhu: LegalizeThoughtCrime: I personally videotaped a car hit a pedestrian in a crosswalk and drive off over 400 feet at full speed with the victim still on the hood before two motorcyle cops stopped the car...

What a horrible story. I believe all of it. Who were the cops trying to protect? Or were they just being lazy? And your last paragraph is absolutely on the money.


In this case, it was because the guy hit in the crosswalk was a "hippie" who was a "problem citizen". This happened a couple years after the Federal Civil Rights Commission had an investigation and said it was the worst case of "Us v Them" mentality they had ever seen in a police department in their 20+ years of existence. ('Appalled' at police shootings Fed report: Oversight needed - Press Democrat April 21, 2000)

Look up the killing of Dale Robbins in the lobby of the Santa Rosa Police Department on January 29, 1996 - while the videocameras were 'out of film' - and the questionable 'investigation' by the DA. Mr Robbins claimed to have evidence of criminal activity by the SRPD, and told his family that if he was killed it would be at the hands of the SRPD. The Chief of Police described him as 'paranoid'.

My point in the Pedorno context is that reports disapper if the Watchmen are protecting somebody/thing. Some snarky "quote" of my post asked, "oh yeah? then show me a record of the 911 call!" which is a dissociated response to "records were erased or not filed, and witnesses sent away an prohibited from making a statement"
 
2012-01-27 04:41:10 PM  

TheyCallMeC0WB0Y: fark you.

Don't biatch about enabling people enabling child rape and then go and ENABLE CHILD RAPE by completely ignoring all the people who actually enabled the child rape in the first place.

You are one of the DUMBEST bastards I have ever had the misfortune of communicating with. Your inability to grasp the simplest truth is astounding.
I hope to christ you contract testicular cancer to prevent the world from succumbing to your genetic reproduction.


Already have cancer (inside my right eye, no less), but thanks for wishing it upon me.

Having to deal with that unpleasant fact of life, I wish it upon nobody, but you stay classy, ya'hear?
 
2012-01-27 04:57:52 PM  

SaltyDonnie: TheyCallMeC0WB0Y: From the Centre County District Attorney:

"I'd like to set something straight for those (even Joepa's supporters) who are writing and saying Joepa made an error in judgment or failed in his leadership by not calling the police or "following up" on what McQueary told him. He did not make an error or fail to follow up. He did what every other teacher and/or school employee does in Pennsylvania every day. When they learn of such an allegation (usually directly from a student victim), they report it to the guidance office and/or principle, who then reports it to Children & Youth Services, who then notifies police. This is without exception and is and has been accepted protocol in PA for years. It is not the responsibility of the teacher to follow up because he/she expects the administration officials to properly report it. Additionally, the police will not share details of the investigation with the teacher, outside of possibly interviewing him/her. Believe me, we (police) don't want people doing their own investigation or follow-up. How do I know this? I investigate and prosecute these crimes every day and have done so for 17 years. I'm tired of hearing that Joepa made a mistake by not contacting police. Not only did he follow the law in PA, he followed normal protocol which is in place for a reason. If Joe made a mistake and deserved to be fired, then we should be firing hundreds of teachers every year. Joe did NOT make a mistake and those who say he did have no idea what they are talking about. I hope Freeh and his people look into child abuse reporting protocol in PA so Joepa's actions can be placed in the proper perspective. I'm sorry this is so long, but it needed to be made clear to those unfamiliar with these investigations, which I imagine is most people."

There is not one single justified reason for any of the hatred shown to JoePa.

Do does the DA address what Paterno should have done had he saw Sandusky on campus after that? I mean, is it his call to toss him off campus, or his boss's? If I were in Paterno's shoes, if for no other reason that to cover my own ass, I would want a direction from on high as to what to do if I see him hand in hand with a kid again on campus, or at any other Penn State activity for that matter. If I cared about it as a person, I'd be honor-bound or at least curious as to how allegations of child sex abuse against a former college and employee of mine which happened on a business site for which I had responsibility turned out, so I should know to shun him. Again, the DA's discussion is from the LEGAL standpoint, which is why JoePa wasn't charged - but if JoePa was a janitor that McQueary took aside and told, he'd have a whole lot less pull and responsibility (and liability) than the head of the football program with a statute to his honor on front of the campus. All that does is relieve Paterno of criminal liability, NOT moral culpability. And for someone that is held on peoples' shoulders as a moral icon (EVEN NOW), that ain't good enough.

they report it to the guidance office and/or principle, who then reports it to Children & Youth Services, who then notifies police.

This is the problem - no concept of personal responsibility. No inner desire to see if the situation is begin addressed. Pass the info to a govt. service and then wipe your mind of it. If I did that in my profession, nothing would ever get done, as I have to light fires under several asses a day to see movement on anything, ESPECIALLY if it's govt. related. Tie the school's connection to the university police and the school's interest in playing down this incident and you have every reason to want fires lit. And that's the point, no one really looked into it afterward. And that's fine, but don't hold the guy up as a moral beacon on the hill.


I was involved in aiding a CPS investigation against a day care.

CPS asked me to not contact, inquire, inform, speak to the other parents until CPS concluded the investigation.

In fact I asked CPS if I should ask the other parents to call CPS and give them a report. CPS said no as they wanted their testimony untainted even if it was just me asking them to call CPS.

That's why this reaction against Paterno bothers me so much, because it is VERY misguided and at best wildly misinformed regarding how these things are handled.
 
2012-01-27 07:01:27 PM  

LesserEvil: TheyCallMeC0WB0Y: fark you.

Don't biatch about enabling people enabling child rape and then go and ENABLE CHILD RAPE by completely ignoring all the people who actually enabled the child rape in the first place.

You are one of the DUMBEST bastards I have ever had the misfortune of communicating with. Your inability to grasp the simplest truth is astounding.
I hope to christ you contract testicular cancer to prevent the world from succumbing to your genetic reproduction.

Already have cancer (inside my right eye, no less), but thanks for wishing it upon me.

Having to deal with that unpleasant fact of life, I wish it upon nobody, but you stay classy, ya'hear?


So you're gonna at least be blind and might actually die??

Excellent. This has been a most satisfactory day of internetting.
 
2012-01-27 07:34:08 PM  
George Costanza: "Oh yeah? Well I slept with your wife!"

His wife's in a coma.
 
2012-01-27 11:45:04 PM  
people here don't realize joe paterno *wasn't* winning a whole lot of games and was kept for reasons that led the Dean of Liberal Arts at PSU to speak at his memorial
 
2012-01-28 12:07:18 AM  

TheyCallMeC0WB0Y: So you're gonna at least be blind and might actually die??


The miracle of radiation and lasers.. how do they farking work?

Treatment sucked, hardest thing I've done in my life (and there is a long list of things I've done that many couldn't). I honestly don't wish it upon anybody, certainly nobody who expresses opinions about something on a glorified internet message board.

BTW: in regards to your earlier comment, I think you'll find that I have stated several times that there were plenty of people involved in this mess that have blame. Paterno was one of them (and this thread is about him, ergo, the criticism of him here), regardless of your own blind biases.

Nobody is "ignoring" the others. We just find hero-worship of one of those responsible parties to be misplaced.

/You might want to clean up the froth that has dribbled down your chin.
 
2012-01-28 12:30:11 PM  
And my whole point, you ignorant farktard, is that Paterno shares none of the blame.

Maybe they didn't cure your cancer. Maybe you have a brain tumor, because you sure as hell aren't thinking clearly. Paterno not only carries no blame in the coverup, he should be heralded as the only person who did the right thing.

For all the claims of "Oh, I blame others as well," I BARELY see any press on what a scumbag Sandusky is, let alone anything about the Shultz & Curley, who's legal defense is being paid for by the University. If they are charged with a crime, why weren't they fired? Why is the University financially supporting them? Why was JoePa thrown under the bus and fired when he was cleared of any wrongdoing? Where's the outrage at the police and District Attorney who buried the 1999 investigation? Where's the movement to have Governor Tom Corbett removed from office after he admitted knowing about the entire affair before it went public and STILL accepted a $25,000 campaign contribution from the Second Mile and THEN gave them $3 million dollars in public funding.

Your 'outrage' is a farking joke, just like you. You pretend to hold the moral high ground when you're just sitting on a pile of shiat.

But you just keep on with your ignorance, you pathetic piece of shiat. I'll be sure to vilify you at your upcoming funeral.
 
2012-01-28 01:51:22 PM  

TheyCallMeC0WB0Y: And my whole point, you ignorant farktard, is that Paterno shares none of the blame.


i51.tinypic.com

Wow, you are really deluded... and outraged.

Get a grip, really.
 
2012-01-28 02:14:29 PM  
So says the guy seething with rage at a man who had nothing to do with the coverup of the investigation.

I've presented facts. You keep making up bullshiat to support your moronic claims.

Chemo must have melted your brain.
 
2012-01-28 02:52:04 PM  

TheyCallMeC0WB0Y: So says the guy seething with rage at a man who had nothing to do with the coverup of the investigation.

I've presented facts. You keep making up bullshiat to support your moronic claims.

Chemo must have melted your brain.


Rage? I find this whole exchange amusing. Weren't you going to "Ignore" me a while back?

I'm flattered my opinion means so much to you, but please don't burst a vein on my account (at least no more than you already have, LOL)
 
2012-01-28 02:57:15 PM  
Opinions matter not. Baseless accusations do.

Which is yet one of the reasons Paterno could not have simply called a press conference after hearing a second-hand rumor.

Unless you feel all rumors deserve a public address, because I've heard some awfully skeevy things about you.
 
2012-01-28 03:06:00 PM  

TheyCallMeC0WB0Y: Opinions matter not. Baseless accusations do.

Which is yet one of the reasons Paterno could not have simply called a press conference after hearing a second-hand rumor.

Unless you feel all rumors deserve a public address, because I've heard some awfully skeevy things about you.


The thing that makes this funny is your impotent internet rage (along with accompanying tiny shaking fists), combined with the fact that your spittle can't project through your monitor into my airspace.

Paterno should have followed up, if he indeed characterized the child rape as it was supposedly told to him. I guess he just wasn't curious to see if a child rapist was ever brought to justice, according to your theory.

/I'm still not on your ignore list?
 
2012-01-28 03:33:38 PM  
So you're damning Paterno for making the futile effort to follow-up, which would have 100% been met with a 'we can not comment' as per the statement released by the District Attorney.

There was no way for Paterno to follow-up. There is no such thing as a follow-up. You might as well condemn him for not renting a time machine from the local Hertz Time Machine rental lot and going back to personally stop Sandusky.

Your insistence that Paterno should have done something which does not exist, is the most beautiful example of why the Penn State community is so perplexed at your ridiculous outrage. Please keep responding. Everything you say only shows the purposefully ignorant reaction of the general public .
 
2012-01-28 04:14:57 PM  

LesserEvil: TheyCallMeC0WB0Y: Opinions matter not. Baseless accusations do.

Which is yet one of the reasons Paterno could not have simply called a press conference after hearing a second-hand rumor.

Unless you feel all rumors deserve a public address, because I've heard some awfully skeevy things about you.

The thing that makes this funny is your impotent internet rage (along with accompanying tiny shaking fists), combined with the fact that your spittle can't project through your monitor into my airspace.

Paterno should have followed up, if he indeed characterized the child rape as it was supposedly told to him. I guess he just wasn't curious to see if a child rapist was ever brought to justice, according to your theory.

/I'm still not on your ignore list?


Woah...

maybe I missed this while reading the grand jury testimony, but both McQueary and Paterno acknowledged that McQueary didn't say that he saw a rape.

That said, Paterno said that he saw McQueary visibly upset as he tried to describe what he saw and it was understood that something inappropriate happened.

There's also no dispute that Paterno immediately called Curley and said "I think we got a problem here." Then described what McQueary told him.

One of the big things that Curley is on trial for is perjuring himself with regard to his interaction with McQueary and Paterno (in addition to a bunch of other stuff that he tried to sweep under the rug).

Paterno admits that knowing now what he should have known then that he should have done more. His admission and acceptance of criticism were a complete 180 from nearly everyone else involved.

The man deserves some harsh criticism, but let's criticize him for the right things, and way too many folks are forgetting that.

BTW: no, there have been nearly no articles regarding this where the blame has gone to the trustees, Spanier, or his aides. Most articles are of them telling their side of things and none of them accept any responsibility for it.

Sorry, just had to correct that bit. It was enough to make him call immediately (and yes, he asked that the police needed to be involved, though he supposedly said to wait till the weekend was over; that one of the items that Curley is facing perjury for BTW).

/having worked with PSU leadership in the past, the coverup doesn't surprise me at all
 
2012-01-28 04:22:38 PM  
Hey meathome, any ideas as to why Penn Sate is footing the bill for Curl & Shutlz legal defense?

I'm baffled as to why Paterno gets fired for doing the right thing and they get protected for covering Sandusky's ass.
 
2012-01-28 07:28:53 PM  

TheyCallMeC0WB0Y: Hey meathome, any ideas as to why Penn Sate is footing the bill for Curl & Shutlz legal defense?

I'm baffled as to why Paterno gets fired for doing the right thing and they get protected for covering Sandusky's ass.


I wasn't aware that Paterno called the cops and handed the phone to McQueary, telling him, "Jesus Christ, tell them what you saw and let's get a billion cops down here." I wasn't aware that Paterno raised hell when he saw that someone he knew was a child rapist was still using the very same showers. I wasn't aware that Paterno took the necessary steps to make sure Sandusky never attended another Penn State game and never recruited for them again.

If Paterno had done the right thing, he wouldn't have wished he had done more.

Remember folks, if you witness child rape, don't wait until the weekend is over and don't call your father or your boss. Call the cops. If your trusted associate tells you he saw your friend raping a child, call the cops.
 
2012-01-28 08:57:43 PM  
What Paterno did is exactly follow the protocol set forth by the State of Pennsylvania. What Paterno did is exactly what every other person in the State of Pennsylvania is supposed to do they hear a rumor about child abuse.

Sandusky did no recruiting after his retirement. Thank you though for yet another excellent example of morons making up more bullshiat to better justify their baseless rage.

Paterno was told that Sandusky lost his keys and access to the athletic facilities, so I'm not sure why you are saying he still was using the same showers. Maybe that's just some more bullshiat you're inventing to support your bullshiat argument.
 
2012-01-29 12:52:48 AM  

TheyCallMeC0WB0Y: Hey meathome, any ideas as to why Penn Sate is footing the bill for Curl & Shutlz legal defense?

I'm baffled as to why Paterno gets fired for doing the right thing and they get protected for covering Sandusky's ass.


I'm not going to say that Paterno did "the right thing", but he and McQueary did more than anyone else at PSU. What's scary about that, is that the grand jury had some harsh words for McQueary about his lack of reporting what he saw to the authorities and following up (i.e., not doing what they considered to be "his moral obligation"). Of course, I don't need to mention the animosity that Paterno has received. And think, this are the two folks who did more about the situation than pretty much anyone else at that university. Makes you think...

FWIW: all the "Paterno should have called the cops" stuff. He reported what McQueary told him to Gary Schultz. Schultz have complete oversight of the university police. He still should have called the police, but when you're talking with the guy who basically runs their dept, I can see how you'd have certain preconceptions regarding how it's going to be handled. I think that's the primary reason that Schultz is presently on trial.

Now onto your question. Why is PSU paying for Curley's and Schultz's defense? I'd follow the chain of command. I'd say that PSU's leadership is helping to cover for their boys, lest the beans get spilled. It's the only reason I can think for the university's actions to Spanier, Curley, and Schultz compared to those of Paterno and McQueary.

What ought to get your knickers in a twist is that Spanier is merely listed as being "on sabbatical" (instead of having resigned his position), and Curley and Schultz are still drawing a salary from the university, despite all three having resigned their positions.
 
2012-01-29 01:51:12 AM  
I knew Schultz & Curley we're still on the payroll, but Spanier too?? fark...

I just don't get how the guy who does the right thing gets canned and the assholes who broke the law keep getting their asses covered.

The University should be distancing themselves from those assholes, not embracing them.
 
2012-01-30 12:11:47 AM  

TheyCallMeC0WB0Y: I knew Schultz & Curley we're still on the payroll, but Spanier too?? fark...

I just don't get how the guy who does the right thing gets canned and the assholes who broke the law keep getting their asses covered.

The University should be distancing themselves from those assholes, not embracing them.


Well, Paterno has his sins in this as well, but not nearly as much as McQueary, Spanier, Schultz, Curley, the PSU trustees, and of course Sandusky.

That said, the bureaucracy at PSU has always protected itself above all else. This is just more of the same ("the PSU shuffle" was how it was described to me). Paterno obviously had a following, but the friction between him and the leadership there was also very well known. Trustees hated the man for the most part, and this was a way to get rid of him (in the AP article I linked, you see that they fired him because who was he to tell them that he was going to retire at the end of the season because of this? Their own comments make you wonder WTF is going on there.)

That's why Spanier, Curley, and Schultz are still getting paid. Now to be fair, Paterno got a pension, but those three are still getting a paycheck as though they're working, which is unbelievable.

McQueary is also on academic leave, but it was originally reported as a suspension, and it was known (and later changed by PSU) that it was without pay. So the guys who are on trial get their paychecks, but the primary witness doesn't? Another WTF. Thankfully, the courts made it clear that such an action would be interpreted as an attempt to silence the witness.

I read it in another article, but forgot where it is else I'd link it with all the others I've provided... long story short, it was a statement from the court or DA involved stating that their opinion after hearing the testimony was the PSU was also trying to suppress witnesses from coming forward or testifying. If that's true, you've got a whole new angle on things, which makes it worse. I hope that does not come to be true, but at this point it's anyone's guess.

The big thing here is PSU's leadership simply refuses to acknowledge that this involves PSU. Erickson (Spanier's replacement) made it very clear that he did not "view this as a PSU scandal. It's Jerry Sandusky's scandal."

When you have a mentality like that, you can justify a lot of horrible actions in the name of keeping your name out of the press. It's my belief that is what we're seeing here (and Erickson was one of Spanier's toads, so this is no surprise). What amazes me is that so many damning quotes from Erickson at the PSU town-hall I was at were never reported or focused upon (and this was the one that had most of Philly's media in attendance). That's just damn scary.
 
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