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Mayhem of the Black Underclass		2012-01-26 01:11:33 PM

WHAT? I CAN'T HEAR YOU OVER THE SLASHFIC.
/Oh, Jim.

RexTalionis		2012-01-26 01:13:01 PM

GAT_00: sarah_t_s: GAT_00: sarah_t_s: thus made 'Schrödinger's starship' (it is both 5 years and 75 years from home at the exact same time)

See, if you actually knew what happened,

7,000 light years in 7 years. From a ship capable of sustaining, in the words of it's own navigator (who bloody well should know how fast the ship goes) 21,473 times the speed of light (0.0007 ly/s or 0.042 ly/m or 22,089.848 light years per year). Which is Warp 9.95. Which is an Intrepid class starship's maximum sustainable cruise speed. Voyager was an Intrepid class, fully provisioned for it's intended mission of "extended range deep space exploration" before being tasked with the Marquis hunt that ultimately led it to being stranded 'so far' from home.

Aunt Kathy, lovely woman, can't drive for shiat.

Or... they didn't have a bible and made Schrödinger's starship.

How often do you run your car flat out at top speed for extended periods of time?

To answer both of you, according to the technical manual, the cruising speed of Voyager is Warp 6. However, according to Memory Alpha:

"Canonically in "Caretaker", "Relativity" and "Barge of the Dead", Voyager is specifically stated having the maximum cruising speed of warp 9.975. In the episode "Threshold", when accelerating to and attempting to match warp 9.97, the computer warned of imminent structural collapse. In the episode "The Swarm", it is only possible to maintain warp 9.75 for twelve hours. It is also stated in the episode by Chakotay, that Voyager is not able to sustain its maximum warp at that time. The maximum warp is however used in several episodes before and after "The Swarm" for extended periods. Finally the maximum warp is given a canonical speed estimate in "Friendship One" as being capable of crossing 132 light years in one month. This turns out to be only about 1,554 - 1,721 times the speed of light. "

So, yes, it's also true that Voyager either didn't have a bible, or the writers ignored it whenever it's convenient.

Dumb-Ass-Monkey		2012-01-26 01:13:06 PM

Nick the What: FTA: "As luck would have it, my oldest son got his father and me the DVD of Season Five..."

Do I just need more coffee? Please tell me what I'm missing here.

women are allowed to write things for the internet now.

They're out of the kitchen, have the right to vote, and can post stuff online.

sarah_t_s		2012-01-26 01:13:22 PM

Mayhem of the Black Underclass: [cdn1.markstechnologynews.com image 468x519]
WHAT? I CAN'T HEAR YOU OVER THE SLASHFIC.
/Oh, Jim.

I so want one of those corsets :(

PsyLord		2012-01-26 01:16:24 PM

Mayhem of the Black Underclass: [cdn1.markstechnologynews.com image 468x519]
WHAT? I CAN'T HEAR YOU OVER THE SLASHFIC.
/Oh, Jim.

www.trekcast.com

/I'll be in holodeck 4

sarah_t_s		2012-01-26 01:21:15 PM

RexTalionis:
So, yes, it's also true that Voyager either didn't have a bible, or the writers ignored it whenever it's conveni ...

Even in a sprint/rest cycle Voyager could go further.

But yes, I'd add that Voyager came possibly at just the wrong time, it used the standard thing of 45min episodes that vaguely followed/set cannon but with no real care as WTF was said 'last week'. Shows were already coming out that had a full on bible and forced you to use it so things were consistent.

It's some Enterprise at least appeared to start trying to do. Although that show is just shiat in different ways... like the time travelling upside down Akira class.

Memoryalpha		2012-01-26 01:21:30 PM

Actually the thing that most amused me when the dvds of the series came out was that the walls of the corridors would wobble as Stewart and Frakes would do a walk&talk scene. Heck I think they even joked about that in the dvd commentary. Now the question is, given that these shows were shot in pretty low definition, how many disks are they going to need for blueray? One per season? Other than trying to milk the still bleeding teats of the trek cash cow, why put this on blueray at all?

/Not another penny for you paramount.

FirstNationalBastard		2012-01-26 01:24:58 PM

Memoryalpha: Now the question is, given that these shows were shot in pretty low definition, how many disks are they going to need for blueray? One per season? Other than trying to milk the still bleeding teats of the trek cash cow, why put this on blueray at all?

/Not another penny for you paramount.

The whole "remastered from the original 35mm film elements so it's true HD" thing just went totally over your head, didn't it?

Der Poopflinger		2012-01-26 01:25:06 PM

they have it in hd on the space channel, I don't understand the hype, it looks like poop in hd, non-hd hides the shiatty blue screens better

Nick the What		2012-01-26 01:25:09 PM

Dumb-Ass-Monkey: Nick the What: FTA: "As luck would have it, my oldest son got his father and me the DVD of Season Five..."

Do I just need more coffee? Please tell me what I'm missing here.

women are allowed to write things for the internet now.

They're out of the kitchen, have the right to vote, and can post stuff online.

ha! who knew?!

//wishes I could delete that post

FirstNationalBastard		2012-01-26 01:26:59 PM

Der Poopflinger: they have it in hd on the space channel, I don't understand the hype, it looks like poop in hd, non-hd hides the shiatty blue screens better

Are you sure it's in HD? Are you sure it isn't just the old 480i 4x3 SD video stretched out to 16x9 to fit the screen? Or, just a SD show on a HD channel?

TyrantII		2012-01-26 01:27:45 PM

RexTalionis:
So, yes, it's also true that Voyager either didn't have a bible, or the writers ignored it whenever it's conveni ...

That's Voyager for you, and why it was terrible. Not only did they ignore and change their own technobbable on the fly, but they would completly change their characters to fit their horrible stories too.

Hence we get Captian Schizophrenic, one episode scared to kill a bacteria, the next a sociopath killing a sentient being.

It was just horrible, horrible story telling trying to hark back to a time in TV where every episode stood alone. But even back then they didn't have characters act out of character so freaking much.

Memoryalpha		2012-01-26 01:29:53 PM

FirstNationalBastard
Memoryalpha: Now the question is, given that these shows were shot in pretty low definition, how many disks are they going to need for blueray? One per season? Other than trying to milk the still bleeding teats of the trek cash cow, why put this on blueray at all?

/Not another penny for you paramount.
The whole "remastered from the original 35mm film elements so it's true HD" thing just went totally over your head, didn't it?

I've seen the results of such remastering and upconverting, it is not pretty, so no, It didn't go over my head, I simply treated it as the advertising hype that it generally proves to be.

TyrantII		2012-01-26 01:32:06 PM

Memoryalpha: Actually the thing that most amused me when the dvds of the series came out was that the walls of the corridors would wobble as Stewart and Frakes would do a walk&talk scene. Heck I think they even joked about that in the dvd commentary. Now the question is, given that these shows were shot in pretty low definition, how many disks are they going to need for blueray? One per season? Other than trying to milk the still bleeding teats of the trek cash cow, why put this on blueray at all?

/Not another penny for you paramount.

Trolling?

Because they went back to the original flim, are painstakingly putting back together each master as film, reconstituting the digital film shots, and adding in new CGI where needed (tape composite shots like phasers, transporter effects, ect that will be lost in the new transfer). This is the old tape put on one BD disk. It's the original negatives spliced into the full episodes and scanned at 8K to keep as the new archive.

Take a look at the difference. It's night and day, and a worthy project IMO: http://tng.trekcore.com/bluray/index.html#farp_ex

FirstNationalBastard		2012-01-26 01:32:59 PM

Memoryalpha: FirstNationalBastard
Memoryalpha: Now the question is, given that these shows were shot in pretty low definition, how many disks are they going to need for blueray? One per season? Other than trying to milk the still bleeding teats of the trek cash cow, why put this on blueray at all?

/Not another penny for you paramount.
The whole "remastered from the original 35mm film elements so it's true HD" thing just went totally over your head, didn't it?

I've seen the results of such remastering and upconverting, it is not pretty, so no, It didn't go over my head, I simply treated it as the advertising hype that it generally proves to be.

You don't "upconvert" something from 35mm film.

35mm film is better than bluray, better than HD... bluray can't even begin to capture all the information contained on 35mm film yet.

So, how can something created from better elements be worse?

bemis23		2012-01-26 01:34:43 PM

sarah_t_s: GAT_00: sarah_t_s: thus made 'Schrödinger's starship' (it is both 5 years and 75 years from home at the exact same time)

See, if you actually knew what happened,

7,000 light years in 7 years. From a ship capable of sustaining, in the words of it's own navigator (who bloody well should know how fast the ship goes) 21,473 times the speed of light (0.0007 ly/s or 0.042 ly/m or 22,089.848 light years per year). Which is Warp 9.95. Which is an Intrepid class starship's maximum sustainable cruise speed. Voyager was an Intrepid class, fully provisioned for it's intended mission of "extended range deep space exploration" before being tasked with the Marquis hunt that ultimately led it to being stranded 'so far' from home.

Aunt Kathy, lovely woman, can't drive for shiat.

Or... they didn't have a bible and made Schrödinger's starship.

IIRC the caretaker threw them 70,000 LY from the badlands......not 7,000. An order of magnitude difference - that 7 year trip home just turned into 70 years, longer than most of the human crew would have survived.

TyrantII		2012-01-26 01:35:01 PM

FirstNationalBastard: Der Poopflinger: they have it in hd on the space channel, I don't understand the hype, it looks like poop in hd, non-hd hides the shiatty blue screens better

Are you sure it's in HD? Are you sure it isn't just the old 480i 4x3 SD video stretched out to 16x9 to fit the screen? Or, just a SD show on a HD channel?

Nope

http://tng.trekcore.com/bluray/index.html#farp_ex

And they kept the OAR, which means no annoying scan and clipping of the picture. They looked into widescreen, but there was too much noise in the stuff off frame to allow it without having frame it in a way that would cut out the top and bottom of the OAR (IE zoom and crop)

RexTalionis		2012-01-26 01:35:53 PM

By the way, since we're talking about TNG in HD, why not look at what the HD Remastered footage looks like? Here's a video. Skip to 1:00 for the remastered stuff.

FirstNationalBastard		2012-01-26 01:39:23 PM

TyrantII: FirstNationalBastard: Der Poopflinger: they have it in hd on the space channel, I don't understand the hype, it looks like poop in hd, non-hd hides the shiatty blue screens better

Are you sure it's in HD? Are you sure it isn't just the old 480i 4x3 SD video stretched out to 16x9 to fit the screen? Or, just a SD show on a HD channel?

Nope

http://tng.trekcore.com/bluray/index.html#farp_ex

And they kept the OAR, which means no annoying scan and clipping of the picture. They looked into widescreen, but there was too much noise in the stuff off frame to allow it without having frame it in a way that would cut out the top and bottom of the OAR (IE zoom and crop)

Yeah, that's nice, I was talking about these Space channel broadcasts.

Why would one non-US channel have the HD masters and be airing them before they've even been released in the US?

sarah_t_s		2012-01-26 01:43:44 PM

bemis23:

IIRC the caretaker threw them 70,000 LY from the badlands......not 7,000. An order of magnitude difference - that 7 year trip home just turned into 70 years, longer than most of the human crew would have survived.

That was a reply to GAT_00 who stated that Voyager only flew 7,000 of the 70,000 light years under it's own steam. The rest were travelled via 'magic' (transwarp conduits, soon-to-be hyperspace god heads, etc).

I am pointing out that, thanks to the show not having a bible, I can cherry pick from the mess of writing that the ship covering 7,000 ly is pathetic given it's stated capabilities.

Samwise Gamgee		2012-01-26 01:44:52 PM

GAT_00: sarah_t_s: thus made 'Schrödinger's starship' (it is both 5 years and 75 years from home at the exact same time)

See, if you actually knew what happened, you wouldn't say things like that. Kes flung them 10,000 light years at the beginning of season 4 when she left, and they got another 20,000 out of a transwarp coil. That's 30,000 of the 70,000 light years. They got 5,000 on their own during the 7 years of the show, and the Borg conduits got them the last 35,000 light years.

They were only 70 years away assuming they traveled exclusively on their own power and technologies.

Voyager could have gotten home in 1.38 years on impulse engines alone, thanks to relativity.

Since the starship has magical gizmos called 'inertial dampeners,' let's assume they can accelerate at a solid 10 G's without the crew being pancaked. Let's ignore deceleration time by saying that can use their warp drive to stop suddenly without killing everyone aboard.

A journey of 70,000 light years taken with a constant acceleration of 10 G for the entire journey, from the crew's point of view, will take only 1.38 years. However, on Earth, 70,695 years will pass by. Easy enough - all they have to do is slingshot around the sun and go back to their own time, right? Bam, book it, done. Relativity is neat.

Though I guess there wouldn't have been a show.

Memoryalpha		2012-01-26 01:45:16 PM

Ok, I"ll admit that if the video quality shown in that youtube link is comparative it would indeed be a worthy project.

Confabulat		2012-01-26 01:45:16 PM

Worf looks ridiculous in HD.

MusicMakeMyHeadPound		2012-01-26 01:49:08 PM

TyrantII: RexTalionis:
So, yes, it's also true that Voyager either didn't have a bible, or the writers ignored it whenever it's conveni ...

That's Voyager for you, and why it was terrible. Not only did they ignore and change their own technobbable on the fly, but they would completly change their characters to fit their horrible stories too.

Hence we get Captian Schizophrenic, one episode scared to kill a bacteria, the next a sociopath killing a sentient being.

It was just horrible, horrible story telling trying to hark back to a time in TV where every episode stood alone. But even back then they didn't have characters act out of character so freaking much.

There was a parody website out there years ago that explained this behavior as extended caffeine withdrawal.

"Captain, there's a ship in our way."
"Arm photon torpedoes, leave no survivors!"
"Sensors indicate their hold is full of coffee."
"...hailing frequencies, let's try diplomacy."

I've always been curious what the Voyager death count is. Seemed like every episode they were killing off redshirts. That and Chakotay was like the worst shuttle pilot ever. Dude was repeatedly crashed on some planet or moon. They have a shuttle factory on board?

imgod2u		2012-01-26 01:49:45 PM

I looked on Amazon and only found a blu-ray box with 3 episodes in it for pre-order. Is the entire 7 seasons going to be released at once or are they doing a Good Eats style "hey, buy this random ass collection of episodes".

Smoky Dragon Dish		2012-01-26 01:51:01 PM

NeoCortex42: Edymnion:
Ezri was way cuter anyway, even if the writers had no freaking clue what to do with her.

Ezri had some good stories, too. I loved the mystery assassin episode with the prototype rifle.

One of my favorite DS9 episodes...

FirstNationalBastard		2012-01-26 01:51:34 PM

imgod2u: I looked on Amazon and only found a blu-ray box with 3 episodes in it for pre-order. Is the entire 7 seasons going to be released at once or are they doing a Good Eats style "hey, buy this random ass collection of episodes".

teaser disc released next week, seasons coming later in 2012 and 2013 and so on until they're done.

BumpInTheNight		2012-01-26 01:52:01 PM

RexTalionis: By the way, since we're talking about TNG in HD, why not look at what the HD Remastered footage looks like? Here's a video. Skip to 1:00 for the remastered stuff.

Wow, okay that does look sweet.

GBmanNC		2012-01-26 01:54:50 PM

imgod2u: I looked on Amazon and only found a blu-ray box with 3 episodes in it for pre-order. Is the entire 7 seasons going to be released at once or are they doing a Good Eats style "hey, buy this random ass collection of episodes".

They're releasing an episode sample disk to wet everyones appetite and show what can be done. I believe they were the episodes done as a proof of concept. Than they are releasing each season 1 at a time. I imagine the remastering process is pretty time consuming.

Smoky Dragon Dish		2012-01-26 01:54:55 PM

sarah_t_s: RexTalionis:
I've watched Season 5, and, in my opinion, it's nowhere close. Yes, it has some good episodes, but it's nowhere close to the best DS9 episodes.

Whilst I agree Voyager was... reasonably abysmal you must, mentally, remove Robert Beltran from the equation; he is on record as saying he hated the show, hated the scripts, hated the character and deliberately delivered a wooden performance.

So ignoring the fact they ignored (or didn't have) the 'bible' for the writers to follow and thus made 'Schrödinger's starship' (it is both 5 years and 75 years from home at the exact same time), it was never going to be awesome even if they had thrown enough money at script writing and effects to make Avatar's budget look like raiding the petty cash drawer because one of the lead actors for the show was too busy going "fark this, fire me" in his delivery rather than just getting on with it and enjoying the career long money being a star in a Trek series can bring.

Huh? What about this from Wikipedia:
Beltran is perhaps best known for his role as Commander Chakotay, the first officer on the lost starship Voyager, in the science fiction television series Star Trek: Voyager from 1995 to 2001. Beltran won the Nosotros Golden Eagle Award for Outstanding Actor in a Television Series in 1997. He was nominated in 1996 for the NCLR Bravo Award for Outstanding Television Series Actor in a Crossover Role, and the ALMA Award for Outstanding Individual Performance in a Television Series in a Crossover Role in 1998 and 1999.

/How can Wikipedia possibly be wrong?

sarah_t_s		2012-01-26 02:01:00 PM

Smoky Dragon Dish: Robert Beltran

http://www.firsttvdrama.com/funstuff/beltran.php3

I'm not saying Wikipedia is wrong, just I remember a fark ton of stuff appearing about his biatching. More, quantity wise, than Mulgrew allegedly generated herself.

Smoky Dragon Dish		2012-01-26 02:13:10 PM

sarah_t_s: Smoky Dragon Dish: Robert Beltran

http://www.firsttvdrama.com/funstuff/beltran.php3

I'm not saying Wikipedia is wrong, just I remember a fark ton of stuff appearing about his biatching. More, quantity wise, than Mulgrew allegedly generated herself.

He's just upset he didn't get to wear a skant.

FirstNationalBastard		2012-01-26 02:15:20 PM

Smoky Dragon Dish: sarah_t_s: Smoky Dragon Dish: Robert Beltran

http://www.firsttvdrama.com/funstuff/beltran.php3

I'm not saying Wikipedia is wrong, just I remember a fark ton of stuff appearing about his biatching. More, quantity wise, than Mulgrew allegedly generated herself.

He's just upset he didn't get to wear ~~a skant~~ Jeri Ryan like a feedbag.

More believable.

Jim from Saint Paul		2012-01-26 02:15:46 PM

sarah_t_s: Mayhem of the Black Underclass: [cdn1.markstechnologynews.com image 468x519]
WHAT? I CAN'T HEAR YOU OVER THE SLASHFIC.
/Oh, Jim.

I so want one of those corsets :(

Your newsletter. May I subscribe?

BumpInTheNight		2012-01-26 02:16:28 PM

Smoky Dragon Dish: sarah_t_s: RexTalionis:
I've watched Season 5, and, in my opinion, it's nowhere close. Yes, it has some good episodes, but it's nowhere close to the best DS9 episodes.

Whilst I agree Voyager was... reasonably abysmal you must, mentally, remove Robert Beltran from the equation; he is on record as saying he hated the show, hated the scripts, hated the character and deliberately delivered a wooden performance.

So ignoring the fact they ignored (or didn't have) the 'bible' for the writers to follow and thus made 'Schrödinger's starship' (it is both 5 years and 75 years from home at the exact same time), it was never going to be awesome even if they had thrown enough money at script writing and effects to make Avatar's budget look like raiding the petty cash drawer because one of the lead actors for the show was too busy going "fark this, fire me" in his delivery rather than just getting on with it and enjoying the career long money being a star in a Trek series can bring.

Huh? What about this from Wikipedia:
Beltran is perhaps best known for his role as Commander Chakotay, the first officer on the lost starship Voyager, in the science fiction television series Star Trek: Voyager from 1995 to 2001. Beltran won the Nosotros Golden Eagle Award for Outstanding Actor in a Television Series in 1997. He was nominated in 1996 for the NCLR Bravo Award for Outstanding Television Series Actor in a Crossover Role, and the ALMA Award for Outstanding Individual Performance in a Television Series in a Crossover Role in 1998 and 1999.

/How can Wikipedia possibly be wrong?

Token visible minority award, token visible minority award and visible minority token award. I hear to be nominated for one of those you just need a last name that sounds kind of spanish or mexican and be steadily employed for more then one episode of a show.

/I really haven't a clue, but that's what imdb tells me about those particular awards

penguinfark		2012-01-26 02:25:16 PM

Mayhem of the Black Underclass: [cdn1.markstechnologynews.com image 468x519]
WHAT? I CAN'T HEAR YOU OVER THE SLASHFIC.
/Oh, Jim.

How about some infinite diversity in infinite combinations?

/BOOBS

burndtdan		2012-01-26 02:29:08 PM

sarah_t_s: 21,473 times the speed of light (0.0007 ly/s or 0.042 ly/m or 22,089.848 light years per year)

i might be missing something, but if you travel 21,473 times the speed of light, and you are measuring distance in light years per year, and a light year is the distance light travels in a year, then you would travel 21,473 times that distance.

i think you have a rounding error ;)

/was really just pointing out that the math was simpler than you made it
//if that is the speed he said, and it was long-term sustainable, then they would have been home 3.26 years... i think that it was not a long-term sustainable speed, especially considering that traveling above warp 9 seemed to eventually cause structural strain in TNG after a while, but i could be remembering that wrong

TyrantII		2012-01-26 02:34:04 PM

MusicMakeMyHeadPound:
I've always been curious what the Voyager death count is. Seemed like every episode they were killing off redshirts. That and Chakotay was like the worst shuttle pilot ever. Dude was repeatedly crashed on some planet or moon. They have a shuttle factory on board?

I made the mistake of rewatching the series recently. Literally 1 out of every 3 episodes was a shuttlecraft down episode. Most of them lost for good. At what point in 7 years do you stop sending them out into hostile territory alone?

Add that in to their frequent use of the holodeck, and one wonders why they were forced to eat grime to "save energy stores".

The show just makes no sense, on any level. The showrunners egos just killed off any chance of it being good. And then Moore comes back with BSG and slap's them in the face (for most of is series).

TyrantII		2012-01-26 02:35:29 PM

imgod2u: I looked on Amazon and only found a blu-ray box with 3 episodes in it for pre-order. Is the entire 7 seasons going to be released at once or are they doing a Good Eats style "hey, buy this random ass collection of episodes".

Season by Season.

$15 "Sampler" end of this month and season probably for fall to coincide with TNG's 25th anniversary.

sarah_t_s		2012-01-26 02:38:02 PM

burndtdan:

/was really just pointing out that the math was simpler than you made it
//if that is the speed he said, and it was long-term sustainable, then they would have been home 3.26 years... i think that it was not a long-term sustainable speed, especially considering that travelling above warp 9 seemed to eventually cause structural strain in TNG after a while, but i could be remembering that wrong

Yeah I figured I'd over cooked it somewhere on the math. Again, Voyagers long term cruise speed is Warp meh. Just so long as it's a totally different figure to what was said 'last week' or the RP-fluff you've already put out.

They say 9.95 but even that has at least three different speeds, one from the TNG tech manual and two from the scripts themselves.

TyrantII		2012-01-26 02:42:42 PM

sarah_t_s:

I'm not saying Wikipedia is wrong, just I remember a fark ton of stuff appearing about his biatching. More, quantity wise, than Mulgrew allegedly generated herself.

He was, but after hearing more leaks about the writers and Berman it's not surprising. As said above, they treated their characters like shiat and never bothered to actually build them. They were to do and act in a way to serve the plot of the week. It becomes a joke after a while, not one that someone looking to continue their career appreciates.

from what i read Robert Picardo was pretty much the only one who got leeway with his character. Surprisingly enough it was the only one worth a damn in the entire show besides a few good performances out of Jeri Ryan. Unfortunately for her Berman felt the need to show off his catsuit fetish and what he was hitting off screen.

TyrantII		2012-01-26 02:44:53 PM

whoops, meant Braga. Practically the same guy thought.

Lochsteppe		2012-01-26 02:47:23 PM

I started to type [nerds.jpg] but midway through I just went "Meh."

[nermeh

sarah_t_s		2012-01-26 02:53:20 PM

TyrantII: It becomes a joke after a while, not one that someone looking to continue their career appreciates.

True and I agree with what you're saying just that... if I were an actor who'd just got hired for a Star Trek show when Trek was still stupidly popular... I'd have looked at what happened to a little known actor called William Shattner then keep my gob shut and plan where my new mansions are going to go.

RexTalionis		2012-01-26 02:56:06 PM

Has anyone noticed that there is a Star Trek Trifecta in the Geek tab right now?

TheMysteriousStranger		2012-01-26 02:59:19 PM

I certainly remember noticing those skirts on male crew members when I watched the pilot way back in 1987. There was no HD TV back then and I certainly was not watching on screen that where remotely state-of-the-art for 1987.

Viewers were supposed to notice the skants on males.

Call me if the HD picks up on the jokes put on control panels (like "medical insurance remaining" indicator in sick bay) but were way to small to be noticed on standard resolution.

null		2012-01-26 03:05:19 PM

sarah_t_s: burndtdan:

/was really just pointing out that the math was simpler than you made it
//if that is the speed he said, and it was long-term sustainable, then they would have been home 3.26 years... i think that it was not a long-term sustainable speed, especially considering that travelling above warp 9 seemed to eventually cause structural strain in TNG after a while, but i could be remembering that wrong

Yeah I figured I'd over cooked it somewhere on the math. Again, Voyagers long term cruise speed is Warp meh. Just so long as it's a totally different figure to what was said 'last week' or the RP-fluff you've already put out.

They say 9.95 but even that has at least three different speeds, one from the TNG tech manual and two from the scripts themselves.

You forgot that episode where they could technically go to Warp 10 with the special blend of dilithium crystals if they hadn't decided to test it with one of the infinite supply of shuttlecraft and ended up with mutant-lizard-Aunt Kathy and mutant-lizard-Tom Paris having mutant-lizard babies on a swamp planet.

Calm Down You Spaz		2012-01-26 03:30:46 PM

DjangoStonereaver: USCLaw2010: Ennuipoet: DjangoStonereaver: Subby is probably under 12; at the time the show first aired, much was
made of the unisex skirt uniform in the prerelease publicity.

I remember watching the pilot and after my giddy high subsided, my next reaction was "WTF* was that guy doing in a skirt uniform?"

*I probably didn't use the actual work, I was still young enough to think fark was inappropriate for even a mental conversation.

Maybe Starfleet expanded upon the repeal of DADT and decided to go full fabulous.

Roddenberry wanted to get a homosexual character into ST:TNG from the
very beginning, but was never able to do so.

Wait, you never saw the episodes with Wesley crusher?

StrangeQ		2012-01-26 03:32:15 PM

How can anyone stand to watch these shows? Last summer when Netflix got the rights I thought I would give them a go starting from the beginning and I couldn't get past the first episode with the energy creatures. Everything seems so cheesy and contrived, but I guess that's what happens when you grow up and get a physics degree and realize 99% of the shiat on the show is complete bullshiat.

ronin7		2012-01-26 03:35:30 PM

bemis23: sarah_t_s: GAT_00: sarah_t_s: thus made 'Schrödinger's starship' (it is both 5 years and 75 years from home at the exact same time)

See, if you actually knew what happened,

7,000 light years in 7 years. From a ship capable of sustaining, in the words of it's own navigator (who bloody well should know how fast the ship goes) 21,473 times the speed of light (0.0007 ly/s or 0.042 ly/m or 22,089.848 light years per year). Which is Warp 9.95. Which is an Intrepid class starship's maximum sustainable cruise speed. Voyager was an Intrepid class, fully provisioned for it's intended mission of "extended range deep space exploration" before being tasked with the Marquis hunt that ultimately led it to being stranded 'so far' from home.

Aunt Kathy, lovely woman, can't drive for shiat.

Or... they didn't have a bible and made Schrödinger's starship.

IIRC the caretaker threw them 70,000 LY from the badlands......not 7,000. An order of magnitude difference - that 7 year trip home just turned into 70 years, longer than most of the human crew would have survived.

Well Humans active in Kirks day can live well over 100 years... Lifespan of a TNG Era human who wasnt wearing a red shirt is probably higher than that.

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