Banning books just makes them more popular.

Tatsuma: Yeah there are many things that Germany need, but freely accessible Mein Kampf copies while Europe is in economical turmoil is not one of them.

Yes, they do. The antidote to speech you find abhorrent is more speech, not less.

Pretty much what I would expect Tatsuma to say, as he is blinded by his own superiority complex and unable to look at things objectively.

I heard that springtime is better for Hitler stuff in Germany.

In Germany, where you still have an underground nazi movement, and 25% of Germans publicly admit to feel negatively toward Jews?

Yeah, I'm not feeling that good about saying 'Well guys just give these fascists a platform'.

What utter horse shiat. The USA has underground neo Nazi movements as well, and the Klan is still pretty active, and they(those of them that can read) have probably read Mein Kampf and The Turner Diaries multiple times.

You know who else liked to burn books
/oblig

I may be wrong, but I'm pretty sure Germany has a special copyright law for Mein Kampf that'll stop it ever going into the public domain, precisely so they can keep control of it and make sure no-one republishes it. They're still real touchy about that Hitler guy for some reason.

I expect that the GOP will be pissed when they find out about this.

Typical Republicans!!! This is what happens when you vote in a black guy.

Tatsuma: dittybopper: Yes, they do. The antidote to speech you find abhorrent is more speech, not less.

I would never ask for Mein Kampf to be banned in America, for example.

In Germany, where you still have an underground nazi movement, and 25% of Germans publicly admit to feel negatively toward Jews?

Yeah, I'm not feeling that good about saying 'Well guys just give these fascists a platform'.

I'm sure that anyone who is determined enough can get a copy. A simple Google search would likely get you a pdf download somewhere.

Censorship only adds to the popularity of a publication. Whenever I hear about "family" groups blacklisting companies, it only gives outsiders a convenient guide for places to patronize out of spite.

We have a copy in our house for nostalgic reasons.

farm machine: I expect that the GOP will be pissed when they find out about this.

Wow good for you.

Anyway, aren't Nazi materials banned in Germany already? What difference does the copyright make?

/Oblig.
//Still funny.

Jake Havechek: In Germany, where you still have an underground nazi movement, and 25% of Germans publicly admit to feel negatively toward Jews?

Yeah, I'm not feeling that good about saying 'Well guys just give these fascists a platform'.

What utter horse shiat. The USA has underground neo Nazi movements as well, and the Klan is still pretty active, and they(those of them that can read) have probably read Mein Kampf and The Turner Diaries multiple times.

Yeah, but neither the Klan nor skinheads waged aggressive war on a continent that resulted in six million killed in camps and 60 million deaths worldwide.
The Nazi brand is magical, you see, and not in a good way. And that is some dangerous shiat. In Germany, there are laws against displaying Nazi symbols and for good reason, which would never fly here in the good old US and A because the free speech screamers would start up their howling and lawyering.

ThunderChild: I may be wrong, but I'm pretty sure Germany has a special copyright law for Mein Kampf that'll stop it ever going into the public domain, precisely so they can keep control of it and make sure no-one republishes it. They're still real touchy about that Hitler guy for some reason.

You are wrong.
The Bavarian government doesn't know yet how it can prevent the distribution of Mein Kampf after 2015.

HotIgneous Intruder: Jake Havechek: In Germany, where you still have an underground nazi movement, and 25% of Germans publicly admit to feel negatively toward Jews?

Yeah, I'm not feeling that good about saying 'Well guys just give these fascists a platform'.

What utter horse shiat. The USA has underground neo Nazi movements as well, and the Klan is still pretty active, and they(those of them that can read) have probably read Mein Kampf and The Turner Diaries multiple times.

Yeah, but neither the Klan nor skinheads waged aggressive war on a continent that resulted in six million killed in camps and 60 million deaths worldwide.
.

11 million in the camps. Everybody always forgets the gypsys, mentally ill, retarded, Russians, intellectuals, trade unionists, and Catholics Hitler had killed, all you hear about is how many Jews died.

Why don't they just gather up all copies of the book and make a big bonfire. That would solve the problem

ThunderChild: I may be wrong, but I'm pretty sure Germany has a special copyright law for Mein Kampf that'll stop it ever going into the public domain, precisely so they can keep control of it and make sure no-one republishes it. They're still real touchy about that Hitler guy for some reason.

Can't access TFA for some reason so I dunno whether that's been mentioned in there but...

The Bavarian ministry of finance owns the rights but they're due to expire in 2015. As far as I know there is no special law preventing this. There is, however, a special law forbidding it to be publically read out to people in its entirety. Quoting is allowed.

I'd have to agree with Tatsuma that I do not want to see this published here. Ever. You can freely access it for research purposes and reading it will melt your brain. It's a rambling, nonsensical speech without any discernible structure that - to the best of my knowledge - Hitler dictated (hah...) into the typewrite of Rudolf Hess. It has sentences that end in "etc.-" because things got a little too incoherent or, possibly, Hess just couldn't keep up typing. It shoud theoretically work pretty well to put you off these kinds of ideas forever just going by the style of it alone but since the minds of hateful people generally don't work this way I'd say "keep it under wraps" just to make it perfectly clear this crap isn't condoned in any way, shape or form.

The fact that you can download it whenever you please doesn't really change that. There is a special obligation this country has and will always retain and we should stay conscious about the signals we're sending out. Releasing "Mein Kampf" for general public consumption mere weeks after some people were arrested for a neo-nazi killing spree and in the same week a survey got released that basically stated a lot of my countrymen are okay with the "lol secretly we still hate those hook-nosed money-grabbers" sentiment is probably not the best idea.

Tatsuma: Yeah but no reason to make it easier for them to distribute it

It's already pretty easy to distribute books online. My main point is that any schmuck with an internet connection can download a copy of Mein Kampf in a matter of a few minutes.

There are plenty of dangerous books out there that I'm not a fan of certain people getting ahold of, but there is nothing anyone can do to stop it. You can pass all the censorship and copyright laws you want, and there will still be someone who possesses a copy of something you don't want them to have.

I would rather people have access to uncensored material and look at Hitler for the crazed asshole he was than ignore it and create some sort of blind mystique about him. As much as I hate censorship, I also think that all the holocaust deniers should be shot into the sun. That was a terrible chapter in history, and everyone should be aware of the evidence that it actually happened. Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it.

//hot like a concentration camp oven

ThunderChild: I may be wrong, but I'm pretty sure Germany has a special copyright law for Mein Kampf that'll stop it ever going into the public domain, precisely so they can keep control of it and make sure no-one republishes it. They're still real touchy about that Hitler guy for some reason.

And the guy wasn't even German FFS.

Jake Havechek: 11 million in the camps. Everybody always forgets the gypsys, mentally ill, retarded, Russians, intellectuals, trade unionists, and Catholics Hitler had killed, all you hear about is how many Jews died.

don't forget the clown!

Klopfer: ThunderChild: I may be wrong, but I'm pretty sure Germany has a special copyright law for Mein Kampf that'll stop it ever going into the public domain, precisely so they can keep control of it and make sure no-one republishes it. They're still real touchy about that Hitler guy for some reason.

You are wrong.
The Bavarian government doesn't know yet how it can prevent the distribution of Mein Kampf after 2015.

Ah ok. Maybe I read somewhere they were panicking about it and drew my own conclusions. I do that a lot

Tatsuma, you're a convert. Nobody cares what you think.

Tatsuma: Yeah, I'm not feeling that good about saying 'Well guys just give these fascists a platform'.

pssst......about that: the cat's out of the bag, I think they already have a platform...

Headline: "Republication of 'Mein Kampf' stopped in Germany. Wait until Hitler hears about this. Fark: Due to copyright "

When I first read the headline, I thought it read "Republican of 'Mein Kampf' stopped in Germany. Wait until Hitler hears about this. Fark: Due to copyright "

/hahah

Desmo: Tatsuma: Yeah, I'm not feeling that good about saying 'Well guys just give these fascists a platform'.

pssst......about that: the cat's out of the bag, I think they already have a platform...

That, and there's already strict laws on the books in Germany against any public display of Nazi sympathy. If allowing physical publication of Mein Kampf ever happens there, the only people who will buy it are likely historical researchers and "edgy" hipsters who will stick it on a shelf and leave it unread for eternity.

Actual Neo-Nazis probably already have access to the book (either in physical or digital form) despite the country's efforts. The only thing that will be effective in stopping them from directly harming people is for authorities to keep a close eye on hate groups and keep them away from holding any sort of political power. If they maintain society's perception of Neo-Nazis being a bunch of bigoted morons, the movement isn't going to go anywhere.

Tatsuma: dittybopper: Yes, they do. The antidote to speech you find abhorrent is more speech, not less.

I would never ask for Mein Kampf to be banned in America, for example.

In Germany, where you still have an underground nazi movement, and 25% of Germans publicly admit to feel negatively toward Jews?

Yeah, I'm not feeling that good about saying 'Well guys just give these fascists a platform'.

Oh, so freedom of speech is OK for America, but not for Germany?

Even you should see the irony in using methods against your enemy that you would rightly denounce them for using.

Jake Havechek: HotIgneous Intruder: Jake Havechek: In Germany, where you still have an underground nazi movement, and 25% of Germans publicly admit to feel negatively toward Jews?

Yeah, I'm not feeling that good about saying 'Well guys just give these fascists a platform'.

What utter horse shiat. The USA has underground neo Nazi movements as well, and the Klan is still pretty active, and they(those of them that can read) have probably read Mein Kampf and The Turner Diaries multiple times.

Yeah, but neither the Klan nor skinheads waged aggressive war on a continent that resulted in six million killed in camps and 60 million deaths worldwide.
.

11 million in the camps. Everybody always forgets the gypsys, mentally ill, retarded, Russians, intellectuals, trade unionists, and Catholics Hitler had killed, all you hear about is how many Jews died.

"The death of one man is a tragedy, the death of millions is a statistic." ~ Stalin

I wonder what will happen in three years when the copyright runs out.

I doubt that they can stop republication then as I could buy the book legally now. Owning it is also legal. Yes, even here in Germany.

The Nazi salute and the swastika are illegal as well as denying that the Holocaust happened.
Anybody complaining about freedom of speech because those things are legal in the US? I can provide enough things that you aren't allowed to say...

We have some really stupid laws against those symbols. Someone manufactored a garden gnome giving the salute and that was ruled ok because it's comedy/art. Neo Nazis using the salute, but instead of a flat hand use the victory symbol, so that's ok. Meanwhile we are censoring video games because there are swastika symbols in it as in any Indiana Jones game or Medal of Honour where you are killing the nazis. It boggles the mind.

As for the book, one of these days I will get it. Probably just because they will try to ban it. And I will read it and then I can talk about it unlike 99.9% of people who haven't read it but still have an opinion about it. I doubt it is 300 pages with every page filled with "kill the jews".

This was the main reason why the copyright term was extended to 70 years -- to keep Mein Kampf under copyright.

The Republicans have been doing that for decades in the USA.

Tatsuma:

In Germany, where you still have an underground nazi movement, and 25% of Germans publicly admit to feel negatively toward Jews?

Yeah, I'm not feeling that good about saying 'Well guys just give these fascists a platform'.

I'd bet that the question was "How do you feel against religion" and then religion got turned into Jews.
And what do you mean with underground nazi movement? You mean those guys with registered clubhouses, legally allowed and permitted demonstrations and so on? Those who are almost all on some watch list? Or is there an even deeper underground movement?

Banning stuff does not get rid off it. Quite the opposite in fact.

25% of Germans can't feel negatively towards Jews, because that large a portion of the population will have never met a Jew. At least not a recognisable one with the Jew beany and stuff. I, for one, have never seen one in Germany, only on holidays in other countries. And how do you tell them apart from other caucasians anyway (without the help of a yellow star)? My city has two synagogues, so it stands to reason that we have quite a few Jews here and I will have met a few without knowing that they are Jews.

You can only blame the Jews if you are mental and always go "I bet the Jews did this" when something goes wrong instead of saying "For farks sake" or whatever.

From all the people I have met and know better due to school comrades, friends or whatever, only one was a neo nazi with above said attitude. Had the great misfortune of being in the same company as him in an apprenticeship. Druggie, neo nazi and lives of the state for the last 15 years, great. We should build a camp for people like this, no?

ThunderChild: I may be wrong, but I'm pretty sure Germany has a special copyright law for Mein Kampf that'll stop it ever going into the public domain, precisely so they can keep control of it and make sure no-one republishes it. They're still real touchy about that Hitler guy for some reason.

No special copyright law needed. The publisher was owned by the party, the party was dissolved and its property seized by the state of Bavarai, which now owns the copyright for Mein Kampf, and it hasn't been 75 years since the death of the author yet, I think. Whatever happened to that dude? Anybody recall?

Jake Havechek: 11 million in the camps. Everybody always forgets the gypsys, mentally ill, retarded, Russians, intellectuals, trade unionists, and Catholics Hitler had killed, all you hear about is how many Jews died.

sure, but what have germans done for us lately?

As someone whose been arrested for smuggling literature before I am really getting a kick.....

I find it ironic that people that are so worried about a resurgence in Fascism think Book Burning is a good way to prevent it.

/suggests they try reading books instead of burning them.

NEIN NEIN NEIN NEIN NEIN NEIN NEIN !

Tatsuma: goobergal: We have a copy in our house for nostalgic reasons.

Your grand-father died while falling out of a watch tower?

oroku_saki: I'm sure that anyone who is determined enough can get a copy.

Yeah but no reason to make it easier for them to distribute it

It is essential to continue to discriminate against those who do not think exactly as you do.

oroku_saki:
As much as I hate censorship, I also think that all the holocaust deniers should be shot into the sun. That was a terrible chapter in history, and everyone should be aware of the evidence that it actually happened. Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it.

Those who ignore history are doomed to assert that people who disagree with them should be shot in the sun.

lol?

Cyrusv10: Headline: "Republication of 'Mein Kampf' stopped in Germany. Wait until Hitler hears about this. Fark: Due to copyright "

When I first read the headline, I thought it read "Republican of 'Mein Kampf' stopped in Germany. Wait until Hitler hears about this. Fark: Due to copyright "

/hahah

I'm sure subby was trying to make people think of Republicans when he chose that word.

/She doesnt want to touch his trololol

Legal troubles publishing Mein Kampf? Too bad you pissed off all the best lawyers.

oroku_saki: Desmo: Tatsuma: Yeah, I'm not feeling that good about saying 'Well guys just give these fascists a platform'.

pssst......about that: the cat's out of the bag, I think they already have a platform...

That, and there's already strict laws on the books in Germany against any public display of Nazi sympathy. If allowing physical publication of Mein Kampf ever happens there, the only people who will buy it are likely historical researchers and "edgy" hipsters who will stick it on a shelf and leave it unread for eternity.

Actual Neo-Nazis probably already have access to the book (either in physical or digital form) despite the country's efforts. The only thing that will be effective in stopping them from directly harming people is for authorities to keep a close eye on hate groups and keep them away from holding any sort of political power. If they maintain society's perception of Neo-Nazis being a bunch of bigoted morons, the movement isn't going to go anywhere.

Citizen! Please cease all unauthorized thoughts immediately or be terminated!

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