Dammit to hell, now the Broncos have to get their, what, EIGHTH defensive coordinator in EIGHT years?

shiat.

Pretty sure they did it just tO fark over the ponies

Can we ever get a coach that has, you know, head coaching experience?? I'm sick of coordinators.

Not only a coordinator but one with only one year experience at defensive coordinator. I for one wish the raiders the josh mcdaniels experience. Please trade the broncos DMC for moreno.

Kornchex: I don't think there's any question that they'll be moving in the right direction now that the crazy one has died. Hell, give them a new stadium and and a few years to regenerate some draft picks (haha) and they'll be downright scary.

Regardless of how this year ended, I still think the Raiders are the team to beat in the west. Losing our #1 QB and #1 RB for majority of the season and still losing the division on a tie break is a decent year, as far as I'm concerned.

As for the team getting better now that Davis is dead - well, his biggest fark-up was obviously drafting Jamarcus. That move set the team back a few too many years. But really, can you blame him for the pick? He was the consensus #1 overall that year. Shiate happens. Other than that, his drafts actually haven't been super terrible this past decade. They haven't been great, but neither have a lot of teams' drafts. I mean, is DHB really any worse than Crabtree??

homarjr: Kornchex: I don't think there's any question that they'll be moving in the right direction now that the crazy one has died. Hell, give them a new stadium and and a few years to regenerate some draft picks (haha) and they'll be downright scary.

Regardless of how this year ended, I still think the Raiders are the team to beat in the west. Losing our #1 QB and #1 RB for majority of the season and still losing the division on a tie break is a decent year, as far as I'm concerned.

As for the team getting better now that Davis is dead - well, his biggest fark-up was obviously drafting Jamarcus. That move set the team back a few too many years. But really, can you blame him for the pick? He was the consensus #1 overall that year. Shiate happens. Other than that, his drafts actually haven't been super terrible this past decade. They haven't been great, but neither have a lot of teams' drafts. I mean, is DHB really any worse than Crabtree??

Davis was pretty adept at drafting busts over the last 25 years. Bob Buczkowsk, John Clay, Marinovich, Patrick Bates, Rob Fredrickson, Matt Stinchcomb, Derrick Gibson, Tyler Brayton, Robert Gallery, Fabian Washington, JaWalrus, and the jury's still out on DHB.

UNC_Samurai: Davis was pretty adept at drafting busts over the last 25 years. Bob Buczkowsk, John Clay, Marinovich, Patrick Bates, Rob Fredrickson, Matt Stinchcomb, Derrick Gibson, Tyler Brayton, Robert Gallery, Fabian Washington, JaWalrus, and the jury's still out on DHB.

Yeah, and how many GMs only draft studs ever year?

I don't know which GM/owner has had the most busts ever, or even who has the most busts on average, but something tells me it isn't Davis.

Is there any truth to the rumors that Schiano is going to tampa bay?

A defensive minded head coach, this could be fun.

/get rid of rolando.

As a Raiders fan of 29 years, I have this to say...

UNC_Samurai: Davis was pretty adept at drafting busts over the last 25 years. Bob Buczkowsk, John Clay, Marinovich, Patrick Bates, Rob Fredrickson, Matt Stinchcomb, Derrick Gibson, Tyler Brayton, Robert Gallery, Fabian Washington, JaWalrus, and the jury's still out on DHB.

But nevermind that he also got Steve Wisniewski, Tim Brown, McGlockton, Woodson, Asomugha, and McFadden in the same period. All four AFC Weams aren't exactly studs in the last 25 years with first rounders.

How can be people vouch for the Raiders draft picks? Since 2002, they have a record 45-99. The Lions have had a record of 44-100 in the same period. I think we can safely say that they farking suck. Sure, all other teams whiff on draft picks too. The difference is other teams (except the Lions) don't go 45-99 over a nine year period. To do that, you need to have years and years of shiatty drafts.

The main reason Al no longer being in charge is good is not necessarily his draft picking abilities, but the fact that coaches will no longer be straightjacketed by his vision of what Raider football should be, which hardly changed over the fifty years he was in charge. They can try new things now.

I just hope they stay in Oakland.

As they say in Oakland, " we'll take a shot at anything . . . "

domdare: How can be people vouch for the Raiders draft picks? Since 2002, they have a record 45-99. The Lions have had a record of 44-100 in the same period. I think we can safely say that they farking suck. Sure, all other teams whiff on draft picks too. The difference is other teams (except the Lions) don't go 45-99 over a nine year period. To do that, you need to have years and years of shiatty drafts.

Yep, it's been a pretty terrible decade. But to say that Al Davis is the WORST EVER is an overstatement.

Having a #1 pick go as wrong as Russell did will cripple any team.

homarjr: domdare: How can be people vouch for the Raiders draft picks? Since 2002, they have a record 45-99. The Lions have had a record of 44-100 in the same period. I think we can safely say that they farking suck. Sure, all other teams whiff on draft picks too. The difference is other teams (except the Lions) don't go 45-99 over a nine year period. To do that, you need to have years and years of shiatty drafts.

Yep, it's been a pretty terrible decade. But to say that Al Davis is the WORST EVER is an overstatement.

Having a #1 pick go as wrong as Russell did will cripple any team.

Besides, there is someone much more deserving for worst ever.

Also, fun fact: The Lions picked Charles Rogers one spot over Andre Johnson.

Could you imagine if the Lions had both Andre Johnson and Calvin Johnson?

Pratty: Also, fun fact: The Lions picked Charles Rogers one spot over Andre Johnson.

Could you imagine if the Lions had both Andre Johnson and Calvin Johnson?

Pretty sure they wouldn't have drafted CJ if they had Andre.

homarjr: Pratty: Also, fun fact: The Lions picked Charles Rogers one spot over Andre Johnson.

Could you imagine if the Lions had both Andre Johnson and Calvin Johnson?

Pretty sure they wouldn't have drafted CJ if they had Andre.

I know, but I like to imagine what would happen if they did.

Pratty: homarjr: Pratty: Also, fun fact: The Lions picked Charles Rogers one spot over Andre Johnson.

Could you imagine if the Lions had both Andre Johnson and Calvin Johnson?

Pretty sure they wouldn't have drafted CJ if they had Andre.

I know, but I like to imagine what would happen if they did.

My guess? Stafford would get hurt and they'd go 5-11.

Pratty: homarjr: domdare: How can be people vouch for the Raiders draft picks? Since 2002, they have a record 45-99. The Lions have had a record of 44-100 in the same period. I think we can safely say that they farking suck. Sure, all other teams whiff on draft picks too. The difference is other teams (except the Lions) don't go 45-99 over a nine year period. To do that, you need to have years and years of shiatty drafts.

Yep, it's been a pretty terrible decade. But to say that Al Davis is the WORST EVER is an overstatement.

Having a #1 pick go as wrong as Russell did will cripple any team.

Besides, there is someone much more deserving for worst ever.

Yeah, he's not the worst ever. But over the last nine years, he's been in the bottom 5 or 10. The best way to sum things up: No playoff appearances, no winning seasons, constant coaching changes, a large amount of general dysfunction, 43-99. Picking Jamarcus Russell wasn't an automatic #1 pick like Luck. All of these have to fall on the feet of the person calling the shots. If not him, then who?

He won in the 70s and 80s, no one can take that away from him. Still, the game had long passed him by. The only consistent winning seasons they've had in the last 20 years is when he ceded some control to Gruden.

The best way to put it - when he died, was anyone sad that the team might change their culture? People, even Raiders fans, were overjoyed about the team taking a new direction. They may have been sad about his death, but no one was sad that someone else was going to control the front office.

domdare: Pratty: homarjr: domdare: How can be people vouch for the Raiders draft picks? Since 2002, they have a record 45-99. The Lions have had a record of 44-100 in the same period. I think we can safely say that they farking suck. Sure, all other teams whiff on draft picks too. The difference is other teams (except the Lions) don't go 45-99 over a nine year period. To do that, you need to have years and years of shiatty drafts.

Yep, it's been a pretty terrible decade. But to say that Al Davis is the WORST EVER is an overstatement.

Having a #1 pick go as wrong as Russell did will cripple any team.

Besides, there is someone much more deserving for worst ever.

Yeah, he's not the worst ever. But over the last nine years, he's been in the bottom 5 or 10. The best way to sum things up: No playoff appearances, no winning seasons, constant coaching changes, a large amount of general dysfunction, 43-99. Picking Jamarcus Russell wasn't an automatic #1 pick like Luck. All of these have to fall on the feet of the person calling the shots. If not him, then who?

He won in the 70s and 80s, no one can take that away from him. Still, the game had long passed him by. The only consistent winning seasons they've had in the last 20 years is when he ceded some control to Gruden.

The best way to put it - when he died, was anyone sad that the team might change their culture? People, even Raiders fans, were overjoyed about the team taking a new direction. They may have been sad about his death, but no one was sad that someone else was going to control the front office.

Oh, trust me, I'm more or less glad that he's gone. Sucks that he had to die to leave, but the team is probably better without him. Not arguing that.

And by the way - Luck is only the automatic #1 right now. His career could easily go the Ryan Leaf route, or the Peyton Manning route, and anything in between. No one knows. But if it goes south to the point of Russell's career, does that make Irsay a terrible owner??

UNC_Samurai: and the jury's still out on DHB.

DHB had 975 yards receiving this season. He seems to have figured out how to hold onto the ball. Assuming this year wasn't an anomaly he seems to have come into his own. Granted...not a #1 quality pick yet but still a good WR. Better than Crabtree anyway.

Assuming Oakland can keep its offense potent, a defensive minded coach could be just what the Raiders need. My biggest ? for them in this upcoming season is at QB. Are they staying with Palmer? How's that going to work out exactly. Makes me more nervous than anything else.

homarjr: domdare: Pratty: homarjr: domdare: How can be people vouch for the Raiders draft picks? Since 2002, they have a record 45-99. The Lions have had a record of 44-100 in the same period. I think we can safely say that they farking suck. Sure, all other teams whiff on draft picks too. The difference is other teams (except the Lions) don't go 45-99 over a nine year period. To do that, you need to have years and years of shiatty drafts.

Yep, it's been a pretty terrible decade. But to say that Al Davis is the WORST EVER is an overstatement.

Having a #1 pick go as wrong as Russell did will cripple any team.

Besides, there is someone much more deserving for worst ever.

Yeah, he's not the worst ever. But over the last nine years, he's been in the bottom 5 or 10. The best way to sum things up: No playoff appearances, no winning seasons, constant coaching changes, a large amount of general dysfunction, 43-99. Picking Jamarcus Russell wasn't an automatic #1 pick like Luck. All of these have to fall on the feet of the person calling the shots. If not him, then who?

He won in the 70s and 80s, no one can take that away from him. Still, the game had long passed him by. The only consistent winning seasons they've had in the last 20 years is when he ceded some control to Gruden.

The best way to put it - when he died, was anyone sad that the team might change their culture? People, even Raiders fans, were overjoyed about the team taking a new direction. They may have been sad about his death, but no one was sad that someone else was going to control the front office.

Oh, trust me, I'm more or less glad that he's gone. Sucks that he had to die to leave, but the team is probably better without him. Not arguing that.

And by the way - Luck is only the automatic #1 right now. His career could easily go the Ryan Leaf route, or the Peyton Manning route, and anything in between. No one knows. But if it goes south to the point of Russell's career, does that make Irsay a terrible owner??

No, it wouldn't make him a horrible owner. Every owner would draft Luck (even if only to trade him for picks). Luck is the consensus #1. It's like playing blackjack. You always split aces, maybe you'll lose both hands, but the only bad play is not to do it in the first place.

Jamarcus wasn't a consensus #1. No one ever talked about tanking for Jamarcus. He mainly got himself noticed after his last bowl game. There were many questions about maturity well before the draft. No one ever called Jamarcus the best prospect since Manning, like with Luck. Al Davis picked him because he had a strong arm and he always favored a vertical game. That's it. Sure he was the first pick, but even at the time, people knew it could easily backfire. This isn't looking back on things with the benefit of hindsight, this was known at the time. I don't remember anyone being shocked about Jamarcus holding out for the majority of the preseason. His immaturity was known even then.

domdare: Jamarcus wasn't a consensus #1. No one ever talked about tanking for Jamarcus. He mainly got himself noticed after his last bowl game.

The Raiders were in a precarious spot. Kerry Collins got run out of town in favor of Andrew Walter, who might have been a rock star in another era, but he was a feckin' statute. After having him go 2-14, no FA QB's looking to talk to Oakland and a guy you CANNOT trot back out there, what else could they do?

/And don't say draft Calvin Johnson
//The other QB's in the class also stunk up the joint

Ken VeryBigLiar: domdare: Jamarcus wasn't a consensus #1. No one ever talked about tanking for Jamarcus. He mainly got himself noticed after his last bowl game.

The Raiders were in a precarious spot. Kerry Collins got run out of town in favor of Andrew Walter, who might have been a rock star in another era, but he was a feckin' statute. After having him go 2-14, no FA QB's looking to talk to Oakland and a guy you CANNOT trot back out there, what else could they do?

/And don't say draft Calvin Johnson
//The other QB's in the class also stunk up the joint

You have to make the best decision you can. They weren't in a precarious spot. They were going to lose with Jamarcus and they were going to lose with whatever QB they could find in FA or trade. Wait a year and see if the QB prospects improve. I don't remember who else was in that draft, but why not improve the D or maybe the OL? Saying you HAD to get a QB is the same logic of saying I have to get with a girl because the bar I'm in is about to close. In both cases, its going to lead to a bad decision. With enough money and the chance at a starting gig, you won't get a QB like Brady but you'll do better than Russell easily. You wouldn't even have to pay $32 million guaranteed. Even the 1-15 Dolphins landed Chad Pennington, so it's not like a 2-14 team landing a serviceable QB was some sort of impossibility.

Ken VeryBigLiar: The Raiders were in a precarious spot. Kerry Collins got run out of town in favor of Andrew Walter, who might have been a rock star in another era, but he was a feckin' statute. After having him go 2-14, no FA QB's looking to talk to Oakland and a guy you CANNOT trot back out there, what else could they do?

Traded the number 1 pick then got kevin kolb, troy smith, hell or even trent edwards later in the draft.

If a GM drafts out of need then he is a farking moron, you draft the best possible player and there is no farking way jamarcus was the best player available that draft, they should have taken adrian peterson or calvin johnson, maybe even patrick willis.

steamingpile: Traded the number 1 pick then got kevin kolb, troy smith, hell or even trent edwards later in the draft.

You say this like its so easy to trade the #1 pick in a weak draft class back when the #1 would get a billion dollars.

tnpir: Dammit to hell, now the Broncos have to get their, what, EIGHTH defensive coordinator in EIGHT years?

shiat.

The broncos go through D coordinators like the raiders go through head coaches.

As a Broncos fan, meh.

The Broncos were 20th in total defense, and 24th in scoring defense. They gave up 38 points or more in a game SIX times, although it doesn't help when your offense can't convert on third down. Sucks to need another new DC, but I'm not too worked up about it.