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(Some Guy)   Starbucks doesn't care if you open/conceal carry weapons in their shops. Some people have a problem with this, plan a boycott, and hope for American gun laws to be modeled after England's. Stop laughing   (forusa.org) divider line 301
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2012-01-26 12:39:41 AM
"Starbucks allowing guns to be carried in thousands of their stores significantly increases everyone's risk of being a victim of gun violence," says Elliot Fineman, C.E.O. of the NGAC. "Open and conceal and carry are among the reasons there are 12,000 gun homicides each year in the U.S. If we had England's gun laws we would expect 375 gun homicides each year - 97% less than we have."

wut
 
2012-01-26 01:11:23 AM
If we become England someone will feel challenged to go for a high score.
 
2012-01-26 01:24:27 AM
WTF?!!
 
2012-01-26 08:14:14 AM
How 'bout we pass a law that if you pass a safety course and a mental health exam you can carry wherever and whenever you want.

/but if you ever use a gun inappropriately, you get life in prison
 
2012-01-26 09:13:27 AM
"Some people have a problem with this"

Then go eat shiat. Go somewhere that only criminals carry guns.
 
2012-01-26 09:14:30 AM
A gun is not a weapon, it's a tool, like a hammer or a screwdriver or an alligator.
 
2012-01-26 09:15:50 AM
I think you should be able to.

"close that laptop now, you pretentious fark!!!!!"
 
2012-01-26 09:16:25 AM
Guns aren't toys - - they're for family protection, hunting dangerous and delicious animals, and keeping the king of England out your face.
 
2012-01-26 09:16:28 AM

TIKIMAN87: "Some people have a problem with this"

Then go eat shiat. Go somewhere that only criminals carry guns.


lolwut?
 
2012-01-26 09:16:39 AM

Mad Scientist: alligator


??
 
2012-01-26 09:17:40 AM

Fark It: "Starbucks allowing guns to be carried in thousands of their stores significantly increases everyone's risk of being a victim of gun violence," says Elliot Fineman, C.E.O. of the NGAC. "Open and conceal and carry are among the reasons there are 12,000 gun homicides each year in the U.S. If we had England's gun laws we would expect 375 gun homicides each year - 97% less than we have."

wut


Oh yeah, don't you know? Starbucks is a death trap now, with all the constant shootings by people with concealed carry permits.
 
2012-01-26 09:17:41 AM
Some people have a problem with this

They should probably not go to Starbucks.

Problem solved, please put the check for my consulting fees in the mail ASAP.
 
2012-01-26 09:18:24 AM
I've heard about having a shot with your coffee but this is ridiculous

*is pulled off stage by a large hook*
 
2012-01-26 09:18:59 AM
See, this is what someone truly on the left end of the American political spectrum looks like. Use this to calibrate your scale. Then you might notice that Obama is pretty much at the center of the scale, maybe just a touch to the left. He's far from the most liberal liberal that ever liberal-ed.
 
2012-01-26 09:19:21 AM
The usual stupidity.

Somehow law abiding people being able to carry guns will result in massive shoot outs and blood baths.

Then law abiding people are permitted to carry guns, and the predicted wild west shoot outs don't happen.

Time passes, and a new controversy around allowing law abiding people to carry guns comes up...

"Blood baths!" "Wild west shoot outs!" "No matter how many times we predict this and it doesn't happen we won't ever stop BS'ing!"
 
2012-01-26 09:19:34 AM
When venti double latte frapaccinos are outlawed, only outlaws will have venti double latte frapaccinos.

/Subby doesn't realize that state laws govern what people carry or do not carry inside Starbucks in any given place.
//As yet, Starbucks doesn't make its own gun laws
///The stupid, it stalks us from every quarter
 
2012-01-26 09:21:50 AM

PanicMan: See, this is what someone truly on the left end of the American political spectrum looks like. Use this to calibrate your scale. Then you might notice that Obama is pretty much at the center of the scale, maybe just a touch to the left. He's far from the most liberal liberal that ever liberal-ed.


Objectively measured, Obama governs to the right of Richard Nixon.
 
2012-01-26 09:22:56 AM

Fark It: "Starbucks allowing guns to be carried in thousands of their stores significantly increases everyone's risk of being a victim of gun violence," says Elliot Fineman, C.E.O. of the NGAC. "Open and conceal and carry are among the reasons there are 12,000 gun homicides each year in the U.S. If we had England's gun laws we would expect 375 gun homicides each year - 97% less than we have."

wut


I believe the proper expression is . . ."Citation Needed"
 
2012-01-26 09:22:57 AM

Satanic_Hamster: Oh yeah, don't you know? Starbucks is a death trap now, with all the constant shootings by people with concealed carry permits.


Fark pretty much covers every shoot-em-up in public nationwide, but I feel like I must have missed the rash of Starbucks slayings peppering our country.

Rufus Lee King: "Everything's a Glock!"


I was impressed that their "types of guns" link seemed to get all three models correct. What was with the stock on the AR-15, though? It just looked like a padded pipe. I'd also be shocked to see someone actually pull off firing 17 rounds in a second from a semi-auto rifle. 3-round burst is not available to AR users.
 
2012-01-26 09:23:11 AM
I like my coffee like I like my gun violence.

Black on white.
 
2012-01-26 09:25:03 AM
It's got to be willful ignorance to think that criminals will obey a policy against guns when they won't obey the laws against armed robbery and/or murder.
 
2012-01-26 09:25:06 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: /Subby doesn't realize that state laws govern what people carry or do not carry inside Starbucks in any given place.


In some states at the very least (gun-super-friendly SC is one) if a proprietor says "no guns," you cannot carry inside the premises. So yes, in this case Starbucks has property rights, too.
 
2012-01-26 09:25:45 AM
Silly boycotters! English gun laws are for TEA shoppes.

Real Americuns (tm) drink coffee and carry guns!
 
2012-01-26 09:25:50 AM

Fark It: "Starbucks allowing guns to be carried in thousands of their stores significantly increases everyone's risk of being a victim of gun violence," says Elliot Fineman, C.E.O. of the NGAC. "Open and conceal and carry are among the reasons there are 12,000 gun homicides each year in the U.S. If we had England's gun laws we would expect 375 gun homicides each year - 97% less than we have."

wut


What he isnt telling you is that in the 12,000 gun homicides you have everything ranging from suicide, police shootings, self defense shootings, etc.
 
2012-01-26 09:26:28 AM

PanicMan: See, this is what someone truly on the left end of the American political spectrum looks like. Use this to calibrate your scale. Then you might notice that Obama is pretty much at the center of the scale, maybe just a touch to the left. He's far from the most liberal liberal that ever liberal-ed.


Yeah, the thing is, the Far Left generally does not get elected in the US.

President Obama, being more-or-less in the center, is about as left-wing as US politicians typically get. You'll get a few outliers like Sen. Bernie Sanders, who is pretty left-wing, but most of our politicians are either center, center-right, right, or far right.

The problem lately has been too many Far Right politicians that are completely divorced from reality.
 
2012-01-26 09:26:33 AM
What people don't realize about gun owners is that it isn't really about protection. We strap on every day and leave our houses, eyes peeled for potential threats to ourselves and our countrymen. We are like unpaid police, patrolling your streets and neighborhoods, just itching to find a threat or a crime, where we can finally, finally draw our weapon and display our might against those who would injure our society.

Remember, if you outlaw guns, only outlaws will carry guns. And police, National Guard, and other government agents "properly trained" to use them.
 
2012-01-26 09:26:52 AM
Serious question: Can anyone link to a story about a robbery/homicide committed by someone with a conceal carry permit in good standing?
 
2012-01-26 09:27:15 AM

Malcolm_Sex: TIKIMAN87: "Some people have a problem with this"

Then go eat shiat. Go somewhere that only criminals carry guns.

lolwut?


Simple logic poorly stated. If the law abiding aren't allowed to carry guns somewhere, then the only people there that have guns are criminals.
 
2012-01-26 09:27:48 AM

Jerkwater: What people don't realize about gun owners is that it isn't really about protection. We strap on every day and leave our houses, eyes peeled for potential threats to ourselves and our countrymen. We are like unpaid police, patrolling your streets and neighborhoods, just itching to find a threat or a crime, where we can finally, finally draw our weapon and display our might against those who would injure our society.


I seriously cannot tell if you are a fascist lunatic or sarcastic.
 
2012-01-26 09:27:58 AM

Satanic_Hamster: Fark It: "Starbucks allowing guns to be carried in thousands of their stores significantly increases everyone's risk of being a victim of gun violence," says Elliot Fineman, C.E.O. of the NGAC. "Open and conceal and carry are among the reasons there are 12,000 gun homicides each year in the U.S. If we had England's gun laws we would expect 375 gun homicides each year - 97% less than we have."

wut

Oh yeah, don't you know? Starbucks is a death trap now, with all the constant shootings by people with concealed carry permits.


I'm relatively well versed on mass shootings and I've not actually ever heard of a shooting at a Starbucks started by someone legally carrying. Then again all people with CCW permits are bloodthirsty Heston wannabes with a Death Wish.
 
2012-01-26 09:28:54 AM
We need to adopt RON PAUL'S method to ban something his religion finds objectionable.

RON PAUL wants to rewrite the Constitution to remove all federal court review on all abortion laws on all levels of government in this country. He's admitted it is the only way to ban abortion in this country.

We need to rewrite the Constitution to ban all federal court review on gun ban legislation so we can get all guns banned in this country. I'm sure RON PAUL's followers have no problem using his technique to protect people from another barbaric source of death and violence.

If we can't protect life from guns, how can we protect liberty?
 
2012-01-26 09:28:59 AM

factoryconnection: Satanic_Hamster: Oh yeah, don't you know? Starbucks is a death trap now, with all the constant shootings by people with concealed carry permits.

Fark pretty much covers every shoot-em-up in public nationwide, but I feel like I must have missed the rash of Starbucks slayings peppering our country.

Rufus Lee King: "Everything's a Glock!"

I was impressed that their "types of guns" link seemed to get all three models correct. What was with the stock on the AR-15, though? It just looked like a padded pipe. I'd also be shocked to see someone actually pull off firing 17 rounds in a second from a semi-auto rifle. 3-round burst is not available to AR users.


That's just the buffer tube. It's an AR pistol, because if it was sold in that barrel length with a stock, it would be an SBR and the market would be a lot smaller.
 
2012-01-26 09:29:33 AM

Mad Scientist: A gun is not a weapon, it's a tool, like a hammer or a screwdriver or an alligator.


I have the entire Snap-On alligator set. Very useful for extracting that stuck poodle from a sewer line.
 
2012-01-26 09:29:46 AM
sadhillnews.com

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. Hilarious subby!
 
2012-01-26 09:30:02 AM
From the picture -

"Nothing works as well in a Glock pistol as Glock factory magazines."

Thanks for the helpful reminder.

/owns a Glock 19.
/with factory magazines.
 
2012-01-26 09:30:33 AM
According to The Guardian (new window), 67% of US deaths are caused by firearms (2010). According to The Independent (new window), 7% of UK deaths are caused by firearms (2009).

Significant?
 
2012-01-26 09:31:18 AM

Jerkwater: What people don't realize about gun owners is that it isn't really about protection. We strap on every day and leave our houses, eyes peeled for potential threats to ourselves and our countrymen. We are like unpaid police, patrolling your streets and neighborhoods, just itching to find a threat or a crime, where we can finally, finally draw our weapon and display our might against those who would injure our society.

Remember, if you outlaw guns, only outlaws will carry guns. And police, National Guard, and other government agents "properly trained" to use them.


Awesome.
 
2012-01-26 09:31:21 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: How 'bout we pass a law that if you pass a safety course and a mental health exam you can carry wherever and whenever you want.

/but if you ever use a gun inappropriately, you get life in prison


Thats how you get to own guns in Canada.... but then we also dont get to have open carry or CCWs.... if you want a hand gun, you need to belong to a gun club, and you need to have a permit that allows you to bring the gun in a double locked container, from your home to the range, and back again.
 
2012-01-26 09:31:29 AM
I don't normally drink Starbucks but I will make sure to stop in on Valentine's day to purchase a $5 drink. I will be carrying a concealed handgun and not a single person will ever know except myself and you fine folks in this thread. My handgun isn't going to jump out of the holster and start slinging lead anymore than my hammer is going to hop off my workbench to cave in my skull as I walk by.
 
2012-01-26 09:31:33 AM
FTFA: England's The UK's gun laws are based on protecting public safety, pandering to the suburban prejudices of ignorant tabloid readers.
 
2012-01-26 09:33:09 AM

Im In Love With Americans: According to The Guardian (new window), 67% of US deaths are caused by firearms (2010). According to The Independent (new window), 7% of UK deaths are caused by firearms (2009).

Significant?


There is no way that 67% of all deaths in the United States are caused by firearms.
 
2012-01-26 09:33:11 AM
Hells yeah, about time someone stood up to Starbucks and their ultra-conservative politics, with all their fair-trade talk and facist attemps to provide quality drinking water to poor people around the world. And the biggest ultra-conservative lie of all, Global Warming. They're fighting it with corporate policies, such as setting their AC at 75 instead of 72 degrees!!! GREEN BUILDINGS!!!

I hate to go all Godwin here, but they're a bunch of NAZIS!!!!
 
2012-01-26 09:33:13 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: PanicMan: See, this is what someone truly on the left end of the American political spectrum looks like. Use this to calibrate your scale. Then you might notice that Obama is pretty much at the center of the scale, maybe just a touch to the left. He's far from the most liberal liberal that ever liberal-ed.

Objectively measured, Obama governs to the right of Richard Nixon.


Hell, pretty much everyone was to the right of Richard Nixon: establishing the EPA, pulling troops out of Vietnam, talking with China instead of saber rattling, etc. If he were around today, the DailyKos would be rallying around the guy saying that the plumbers were true patriots seeking to expose the 1% candidate.
 
2012-01-26 09:33:52 AM

Starbucks isn't "allowing" legal weapons in their stores. They are simply not banning them. There is a (very minute) difference. Starbucks has elected to abide by the laws of the states where their stores are. If a particular state has no restriction on lawful carry, Starbucks is going along with the state law. There are some states that prohibit legal carry on private property where a "No Guns" sign is displayed, and Starbucks has not put up those signs.

And this isn't a new thing. In 2010 Starbucks issued a corporate statment (new window) that said (in part)

We comply with local laws and statutes in all the communities we serve. That means we abide by the laws that permit open carry in 43 U.S. states. Where these laws don't exist, openly carrying weapons in our stores is prohibited. The political, policy and legal debates around these issues belong in the legislatures and courts, not in our stores.


To my knowledge there have been no gun-related blood baths at any Starbucks, and people (including me) have been legally carrying guns into their stores for a long time.
 
2012-01-26 09:34:21 AM
says Elliot Fineman, C.E.O. of the NGAC. "Open and conceal and carry are among the reasons there are 12,000 gun homicides each year in the U.S.

Are there even figures to support this? I mean, do open carry and concealed carry permit holders shoot 12,000 people a year? They must be pretty good shots.

Hysterical liberals are funny.
 
2012-01-26 09:36:28 AM
I like fire arms. I like shotguns. You should be allowed to shoot the shiat out of any assholes that gives you lip or looks at you funny.
 
2012-01-26 09:36:30 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: How 'bout we pass a law that if you pass a safety course and a mental health exam you can carry wherever and whenever you want.

/but if you ever use a gun inappropriately, you get life in prison


So can we have tests for all your other constitutional rights as well?
 
2012-01-26 09:36:45 AM

Mad Scientist: A gun is not a weapon, it's a tool, like a hammer or a screwdriver or an alligator.


A gun is a tool that is used to _____________.
 
2012-01-26 09:36:58 AM

factoryconnection: Satanic_Hamster: Oh yeah, don't you know? Starbucks is a death trap now, with all the constant shootings by people with concealed carry permits.

Fark pretty much covers every shoot-em-up in public nationwide, but I feel like I must have missed the rash of Starbucks slayings peppering our country.

Rufus Lee King: "Everything's a Glock!"

I was impressed that their "types of guns" link seemed to get all three models correct. What was with the stock on the AR-15, though? It just looked like a padded pipe. I'd also be shocked to see someone actually pull off firing 17 rounds in a second from a semi-auto rifle. 3-round burst is not available to AR users.


Pretty much anything over 5+ rounds per second is an automatic weapon. As far as I know, there are no fully automatic variants of an AR. The military doesn't really use them on full-auto either. It's all 3 round burst.

Stock was missing the butt. It is the buffer tube that holds the bolt spring.
 
2012-01-26 09:38:09 AM

Joe Blowme: So can we have tests for all your other constitutional rights as well?


Based on some of the insane ranting by Freepers, the existence of Stormfront and politics tab trolls... A test to allow free speech wouldn't be the worst idea ever.
 
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