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(CBS Los Angeles 2)   There's everyday green, then there's "capital G Green," and then there's "your energy-efficient windows are melting your neighbor's Prius" Green   (losangeles.cbslocal.com) divider line 98
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2012-01-25 10:52:04 PM
Okay. Let's go after the easy one first...

FTFA: Toyota told Patron nothing was wrong with the car. After having the mirrors replaced, she noticed the mirrors on the car parked next to hers were also melting.

If there wasn't anything wrong with the car, why did they need to replace the mirrors? They didn't think it was the slightest bit odd that the car's mirrors melted? Of course, I guess this should be expected from the company that insisted there wasn't anything wrong with their cars until people started calling 911 from the highway and complaining they couldn't get their Toyotas to stop.
 
2012-01-25 10:56:35 PM
FTFA: Patron then observed a powerful beam of light that was reflecting off the window of a next door condominium, casting a concentrated beam over her carport.

OMFG... I'm having a flashback... to an episode of "Lassie"... with a glass bottle that was dropped in the grass... reflecting and concentrating the sun's light... and causing a wildfire...

(*rubs eyes and winces in pain*)

What's so sad about this is that I'm old enough to remember seeing that episode in first run.
 
2012-01-25 10:59:24 PM
FTFA: The Los Angeles City Department of Building and Safety says even if the window is the source of the damage, there are no code violations involved. The department says it's not against the law to install a window that reflects sunlight.

Gosh... think about the kind of fun we could have with this down here in The Sunshine State...
 
2012-01-25 11:06:10 PM
Begun, the smug wars have
 
2012-01-25 11:16:12 PM

Fark Me To Tears: FTFA: The Los Angeles City Department of Building and Safety says even if the window is the source of the damage, there are no code violations involved. The department says it's not against the law to install a window that reflects sunlight.

Gosh... think about the kind of fun we could have with this down here in The Sunshine State...


So, it is perfectly legal to "accidentally" burn people like an ant with a magnifying glass?

Got it.
 
2012-01-25 11:19:46 PM
If the windows are reflecting and concentrating the sunlight enough to melt plastic like that, then it is likely that if someone were to stand in that light for a bit of time that it would cause a bit of a burn. There are ways to diffuse the light instead of concentrating it. IF that is the case. Quickest way to determine it would be to put a pile of paper and wood there and see if it catches fire. Be interesting to see the results.
 
2012-01-25 11:30:18 PM
Reminds me of this old Fark thread (new window).
 
2012-01-26 01:17:09 AM

Sid_6.7: Reminds me of this old Fark thread (new window).


I thought of Vdara too, nice job finding the link.
 
2012-01-26 01:33:30 AM
Plant a shrubbery. Bring me a shrubbery!
 
2012-01-26 05:24:54 AM
cdn.static.ovimg.com
That's no ordinary blazer.
 
2012-01-26 06:32:15 AM
I am completely ignorant on this topic, but would "tinting" the windows if the house like you would a car help break of the light?
 
2012-01-26 06:32:16 AM

SpaceyCat: If the windows are reflecting and concentrating the sunlight enough to melt plastic like that, then it is likely that if someone were to stand in that light for a bit of time that it would cause a bit of a burn. There are ways to diffuse the light instead of concentrating it. IF that is the case. Quickest way to determine it would be to put a pile of paper and wood there and see if it catches fire. Be interesting to see the results.


I was going to go with a can of starting fluid-(aka) diethyl ether
 
2012-01-26 06:33:36 AM

Fark Me To Tears: Of course, I guess this should be expected from the company that insisted there wasn't anything wrong with their cars until people started calling 911 from the highway and complaining they couldn't get their Toyotas to stop.



Yeah, about that.


/so, don't play with green Army men around energy efficient buildings?
 
2012-01-26 06:35:57 AM
Well I guess going to the media is far easier than planting a bush or putting up a screen to diffuse the light. . . .
 
2012-01-26 06:37:30 AM
The real problem is the car's color. Being black and Prius is always an unfortunate combination.
 
2012-01-26 06:42:09 AM
FTFA: "The temperature registered over 120 degrees in less than five minutes."

The thermometer on your patio, what does it read when the sun strikes it? It routinely gets much hotter inside vehicles and they don't melt. Something else is happening here.
 
2012-01-26 06:42:52 AM
This happened at the Vdara Casino in Vegas as well. It was called the "death ray".
 
2012-01-26 06:44:58 AM

Fark Me To Tears: Okay. Let's go after the easy one first...

FTFA: Toyota told Patron nothing was wrong with the car. After having the mirrors replaced, she noticed the mirrors on the car parked next to hers were also melting.

If there wasn't anything wrong with the car, why did they need to replace the mirrors? They didn't think it was the slightest bit odd that the car's mirrors melted? Of course, I guess this should be expected from the company that insisted there wasn't anything wrong with their cars until people started calling 911 from the highway and complaining they couldn't get their Toyotas to stop.


You assume that there was actually something wrong with the mirrors and she isn't just some crazy cat-lady who goes down to the dealer and screeches about how the government's lazors are reading her mind until they take the car into the service bay and put a "lazor screen antenna ball" on it as a "courtesy" just to make her go away.

Hopefully if the melting mirrors were a hallucination, they actually put new mirrors on the car if they charged her for them.
 
2012-01-26 06:45:57 AM

Fark Me To Tears: If there wasn't anything wrong with the car, why did they need to replace the mirrors?


Probably meant there was nothing about the car's functionality that was causing the mirrors to melt.
 
2012-01-26 06:46:15 AM

Fark Me To Tears: OMFG... I'm having a flashback... to an episode of "Lassie"... with a glass bottle that was dropped in the grass... reflecting and concentrating the sun's light... and causing a wildfire...


That'd be refraction, not reflection.


Fark Me To Tears: If there wasn't anything wrong with the car, why did they need to replace the mirrors?


I.e., "there's nothing wrong with the car in that the car was made properly and isn't melting because it uses shoddy materials."

Having broken windows because someone smashed them doesn't mean there is anything wrong with the car, it means someone smashed them (as opposed to "they exploded on their own").

Aside: why the hell would the window be concentrating the light? Wouldn't it have to be concave to do that?
 
2012-01-26 06:47:51 AM

Chevello: Fark Me To Tears: Okay. Let's go after the easy one first...

FTFA: Toyota told Patron nothing was wrong with the car. After having the mirrors replaced, she noticed the mirrors on the car parked next to hers were also melting.

If there wasn't anything wrong with the car, why did they need to replace the mirrors? They didn't think it was the slightest bit odd that the car's mirrors melted? Of course, I guess this should be expected from the company that insisted there wasn't anything wrong with their cars until people started calling 911 from the highway and complaining they couldn't get their Toyotas to stop.

You assume that there was actually something wrong with the mirrors and she isn't just some crazy cat-lady who goes down to the dealer and screeches about how the government's lazors are reading her mind until they take the car into the service bay and put a "lazor screen antenna ball" on it as a "courtesy" just to make her go away.

Hopefully if the melting mirrors were a hallucination, they actually put new mirrors on the car if they charged her for them.


The way i read that line FTA was that there was nothing within the prius itself causing the mirror to melt. If the window installed has a slight soncavity it might actually be focusing reflected sunlight. Or Prius is using cheap plastics.
 
2012-01-26 06:47:59 AM
<big>Mythbusters</big> used a bunch of mirrors and could not get that hot, what kind of magic death ray windows are these?
 
2012-01-26 06:53:18 AM
I'm riding slow in my Prius.
All-leather, tinted windows. (You can't see us.)
Everybody's trying to park. You can feel the tension.
I'm in electric mode, can't even hear the engine.

Shiat just got real.
 
2012-01-26 06:53:34 AM
Happens (link)
 
2012-01-26 06:56:19 AM

Fark Me To Tears: FTFA: The Los Angeles City Department of Building and Safety says even if the window is the source of the damage, there are no code violations involved. The department says it's not against the law to install a window that reflects sunlight.

Gosh... think about the kind of fun we could have with this down here in The Sunshine State...


Laser Cannon Death Sentence?
 
2012-01-26 06:56:19 AM
something about Obama green energy jobs melting...
 
2012-01-26 06:57:26 AM

Fark Me To Tears: Okay. Let's go after the easy one first...

FTFA: Toyota told Patron nothing was wrong with the car. After having the mirrors replaced, she noticed the mirrors on the car parked next to hers were also melting.

If there wasn't anything wrong with the car, why did they need to replace the mirrors? They didn't think it was the slightest bit odd that the car's mirrors melted? Of course, I guess this should be expected from the company that insisted there wasn't anything wrong with their cars until people started calling 911 from the highway and complaining they couldn't get their Toyotas to stop.


8/10. Good troll!
 
2012-01-26 07:03:32 AM
First world problems.
 
2012-01-26 07:11:30 AM

bretpc: <big>Mythbusters</big> used a bunch of mirrors and could not get that hot, what kind of magic death ray windows are these?


1) Not held by unsteady humans.
2) Concave, so they tend to concentrate light.
3) Considerably more surface area at play.
 
2012-01-26 07:11:44 AM
So now the condos are chargin' their lazors?
 
2012-01-26 07:16:04 AM
Is the neighbor Ruby Rodd?

/super green
 
2012-01-26 07:17:52 AM
120F (I'm assuming Fahrenheit since it's American) should not melt a car. If your car is melting at that temperature, it's a piece of shiat.
 
2012-01-26 07:23:01 AM
I clicked on the story Subby, fully expecting some amusing and/or interesting story. Then I spied a picture in the sidebar. It looked like a pole dancer, so how could I help but click on it? It turned out to be a picture of Pink doing a performance at the Grammys. I had to scroll through a few pictures on the slideshow in order to determine who it was. I was both repulsed and fascinated by the pictures, captivated as I would be by watching a car stalled on the railroad tracks, train coming full speed. As much as I wanted to, I couldn't look away until I had clicked through the last picture. I was helpless. I hate you for that subby.
 
2012-01-26 07:26:48 AM

moothemagiccow: Fark Me To Tears: If there wasn't anything wrong with the car, why did they need to replace the mirrors?

Probably meant there was nothing about the car's functionality that was causing the mirrors to melt.


Depends on what you define as functionality.
Since I live in the Caribbean, I would consider "withstanding direct sunlight and temperatures of over a hundred degrees, no matter what color it happens to be painted or how hot the parking lot is" to be part of a cars function.

I just don't see a few random windows reflecting enough sunlight to melt every vehicle in its path. You have to wonder exactly how much heat is being generated here, and why no ones thought to hook it up to a boiler.
 
2012-01-26 07:27:00 AM

bretpc: <big>Mythbusters</big> used a bunch of mirrors and could not get that hot, what kind of magic death ray windows are these?


i41.tinypic.com

Archimedes mirrors!

/pew pew
 
2012-01-26 07:32:48 AM

Fark Me To Tears: Okay. Let's go after the easy one first...

FTFA: Toyota told Patron nothing was wrong with the car. After having the mirrors replaced, she noticed the mirrors on the car parked next to hers were also melting.

If there wasn't anything wrong with the car, why did they need to replace the mirrors? They didn't think it was the slightest bit odd that the car's mirrors melted? Of course, I guess this should be expected from the company that insisted there wasn't anything wrong with their cars until people started calling 911 from the highway and complaining they couldn't get their Toyotas to stop.


From the Wiki:
After a 10 month search, NASA and NHTSA scientists found no electronic defect in Toyota vehicles. Driver error or pedal misapplication was found responsible for most of the incidents.

Old people's problems
 
2012-01-26 07:37:46 AM

7wolf: 120F (I'm assuming Fahrenheit since it's American) should not melt a car. If your car is melting at that temperature, it's a piece of shiat.


120F in five minutes. I think the car may have been in the light a bit longer than that.
 
2012-01-26 07:42:59 AM

whipbambucket: Is the neighbor Ruby Rodd?

/super green


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Peace, brother.

/ My name is Ruby RHOD! R, H, O, D! Now would you pleeeeeeeeease show some entHUSIASM???
 
2012-01-26 07:44:07 AM
According TFA, that 120 degrees was achieved on a partially cloudy day. Might get a lot hotter
in full sun.
 
2012-01-26 07:46:40 AM

way south: moothemagiccow: Fark Me To Tears: If there wasn't anything wrong with the car, why did they need to replace the mirrors?

Probably meant there was nothing about the car's functionality that was causing the mirrors to melt.

Depends on what you define as functionality.
Since I live in the Caribbean, I would consider "withstanding direct sunlight and temperatures of over a hundred degrees, no matter what color it happens to be painted or how hot the parking lot is" to be part of a cars function.

I just don't see a few random windows reflecting enough sunlight to melt every vehicle in its path. You have to wonder exactly how much heat is being generated here, and why no ones thought to hook it up to a boiler.


www.overthinkingit.com
 
2012-01-26 07:46:55 AM
Where's the IRONY tag?
 
2012-01-26 07:47:16 AM

Popster101: According TFA, that 120 degrees was achieved on a partially cloudy day. Might get a lot hotter
in full sun.


This is LA, bru. Every day is "partially cloudy"
 
2012-01-26 07:50:11 AM

Make More Hinjews: whipbambucket: Is the neighbor Ruby Rodd?

/super green



/came for the Super-Green and leaving sassified.
 
2012-01-26 07:54:48 AM
Meh, Already done subby -

- Link (new window)
 
2012-01-26 08:03:39 AM

Boudyro: Well I guess going to the media is far easier than planting a bush or putting up a screen to diffuse the light. . . .


Or finding another place to park.
 
2012-01-26 08:03:41 AM

Sarah Palin's Conscience: would "tinting" the windows if the house like you would a car help break of the light?


Just reading that sentence 4 times trying to figure out what the hell you were talking about made my brain hurt.
 
2012-01-26 08:04:47 AM
Car windows can shatter (especially the rear tempered ones) from temperature changes due to differential expansion and contraction.

Look up stories of the windows spontaneously breaking due to window defrosters. There's lots of stories. The windows wouldn't have to concentrate the light much, just an concentration square running across a car slowly would start at one edge of the window and double the light flux there.

There's probably nothing to do aside from move the car or put up a car port.

Oh, and stop whining.
 
2012-01-26 08:10:15 AM

SpaceyCat: If the windows are reflecting and concentrating the sunlight enough to melt plastic like that, then it is likely that if someone were to stand in that light for a bit of time that it would cause a bit of a burn. There are ways to diffuse the light instead of concentrating it. IF that is the case. Quickest way to determine it would be to put a pile of paper and wood there and see if it catches fire. Be interesting to see the results.


Paper generally requires much higher temperature to combust than some plastic melts. Or so Ray Bradbury alleged.
 
2012-01-26 08:12:44 AM
Place some of the same glass out there to protect the car. Might even get a solar feedback loop going!

It'll have the added bonus of incinerating any stray cats passing through looking for a place to poop.
 
2012-01-26 08:21:16 AM

Fark Me To Tears: Of course, I guess this should be expected from the company that insisted there wasn't anything wrong with their cars until people started calling 911 from the highway and complaining they couldn't get their Toyotas to stop.


link to LA times story on the matter in which it turns out that driver error is to blame. (new window)

Yeah, I know that we Prius drivers are easy to troll, but that chestnut has to be put to bed.
 
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