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2012-01-25 09:07:26 PM
FTFA: "Indeed, a recent study by Booz & Company"

They're responsible for most of my studies as well.
 
2012-01-25 09:51:33 PM
If the US can't fark up the internet, let Ireland and Canada do it for you.
 
2012-01-25 10:16:04 PM
F*ck.

I really hope the Conservatives will do the responsible thing and not hinder Canada's tech industry competitiveness...
 
2012-01-25 10:55:44 PM
Shut down Youtube? From my cold, poutine slathered, dead hands.
 
2012-01-25 10:58:27 PM
At least 50% of Youtube content must be Canadian?
 
2012-01-25 11:15:39 PM
Looks like MPAA has been spending some money up north
 
2012-01-25 11:27:14 PM
Bill C11 is gonna get pushed through. No one seems to know about it and no one seems to care.
 
2012-01-25 11:30:56 PM
I don't know how the system works up in Canada, but start calling your elected officials and telling them not to do this.
 
2012-01-26 12:20:29 AM
Will it only affect Canadian access to Youtube? Or will this somehow bleed over into the US?
 
2012-01-26 01:53:59 AM
eddievercetti: If the US can't fark up the internet, let Ireland and Canada do it for you.

They'll shop it until someone does.
 
2012-01-26 02:47:38 AM
Methadone Girls: Bill C11 is gonna get pushed through. No one seems to know about it and no one seems to care.

They certainly kept this quiet. I'm pissed I didn't hear about it.
 
2012-01-26 04:06:55 AM
Yah? Well, what the F? I'm not sure how something like this could just suddenly pop up, like it apparently has. I'm not Canadian, but I certainly hope my well-mannered Northern neighbors will speak up about this apparently sudden injustice. Politely, of course.
 
2012-01-26 04:11:02 AM
And apparently, I'm an asshole.

\\ or is it? // Might be a bit under the influence
 
2012-01-26 04:15:30 AM
Methadone Girls: Bill C11 is gonna get pushed through. No one seems to know about it and no one seems to care.

Indeed. It will get pushed through, there's nothing that can stop that, short of the government deciding they suddenly don't want to do it. The Leafs have a better shot at winning the cup.
 
2012-01-26 04:48:23 AM
whereisian: Methadone Girls: Bill C11 is gonna get pushed through. No one seems to know about it and no one seems to care.

Indeed. It will get pushed through, there's nothing that can stop that, short of the government deciding they suddenly don't want to do it. The Leafs have a better shot at winning the cup.


True. Sadly, the Senate used to be good for at least slowing down these sorts of bills, but now that Harper has managed to stack the Senate in his favour too, we can't even rely on that. And most print media seem to be attacking them based on the omnibus crime bill (which also will pass), so we don't even have decent media exposure on this one.

The only slim hope I can see is if the bill keeps getting tied to SOPA, perhaps the negative US backlash will spill over, and the Cons will postpone the bill until they figure they can slip it through unnoticed.
 
2012-01-26 05:17:46 AM
Wtf, Canada? I thought that you were the same half of North America...
 
2012-01-26 05:18:37 AM
Sarah Palin's Conscience: Wtf, Canada? I thought that you were the same half of North America...

That should be "sane."

/pre-coffee retardation syndrome
//time for another dose!
 
2012-01-26 05:18:56 AM
MaudlinMutantMollusk: Looks like MPAA has been spending some money up north

Eh, Canada's the place that brought us the policy of arbitrary taxing recording media and giving the revenue directly to lobbyists to spend as they please. They're so far in the pockets of the big entertainment companies that sending in the attack dogs (RIAA/MPAA, if that's not clear from context) would be pretty much redundant.
 
2012-01-26 05:25:04 AM
With all this cash that the media bigshots are throwing around on this crap, imagine how they could have spent it on developing a system to actually make use of the Internet instead of trying to kill it?

Oh, that's right. They don't want to adapt and just prefer the old ways where the peasants submissively line up to dump all their money into a chute that heads straight to Hollywood.
 
2012-01-26 05:41:36 AM
Woo Hoo... The United States Congress is only one of the best legislatures money can buy!
 
2012-01-26 06:07:18 AM
bobbette: F*ck.

I really hope the Conservatives will do the responsible thing and not hinder Canada's tech industry competitiveness...


How much booze have you had? You're dreaming, sadly. :( The Reform Party in Conservative clothing never do the responsible thing. I want my PCs back. They were fiscally conservative, but social progressive.

Sarah Palin's Conscience: Sarah Palin's Conscience: Wtf, Canada? I thought that you were the same half of North America...

That should be "sane."

/pre-coffee retardation syndrome
//time for another dose!


where have you been in the past few months. Canada really let herself go, by giving Stephen Harper a majority. He's still a bit left of Obama in some areas, but he's still a diet Dubya with aspartame, and as well know, diet something may appear to be good for you intitally, it will end up killing you quicker in the long run. :(

Bhruic: whereisian: Methadone Girls: Bill C11 is gonna get pushed through. No one seems to know about it and no one seems to care.

Indeed. It will get pushed through, there's nothing that can stop that, short of the government deciding they suddenly don't want to do it. The Leafs have a better shot at winning the cup.

True. Sadly, the Senate used to be good for at least slowing down these sorts of bills, but now that Harper has managed to stack the Senate in his favour too, we can't even rely on that. And most print media seem to be attacking them based on the omnibus crime bill (which also will pass), so we don't even have decent media exposure on this one.

The only slim hope I can see is if the bill keeps getting tied to SOPA, perhaps the negative US backlash will spill over, and the Cons will postpone the bill until they figure they can slip it through unnoticed.


Ironic, considering Harper keeps vowing to abolish the senate. We have no one to blame buy ourselves, by all those people not voting, and letting less than 40% of the country, who were primarily made up of old men in their 60s or older, decide we need an asshole like Harper leading the country in a majority. Bravo Canada, bravo.
 
2012-01-26 06:10:58 AM
SOPA was a threat because it was happening inside the US, one of the biggest internet markets. If legislation happens outside then many sights might just end up banning that country by IP from the major online services like youtube, google, wiki, etc...
The resulting outrage/fear of being black listed should be enough to un-corrupt or trigger a cleaning house in most voting bodies.

/A nation cut off from the global supply of LOL cats is hardly a power worth mentioning.
/Question would be if Canada is enough of a third world country that companies would cut it off rather than cater to its governments demands.
/Because the likes of Google were all to ready to bend over for the likes of China when it came to far bigger infractions on the peoples rights.
 
2012-01-26 06:22:53 AM
BohemianGraham: bobbette: F*ck.

I really hope the Conservatives will do the responsible thing and not hinder Canada's tech industry competitiveness...

How much booze have you had? You're dreaming, sadly. :( The Reform Party in Conservative clothing never do the responsible thing. I want my PCs back. They were fiscally conservative, but social progressive.

Sarah Palin's Conscience: Sarah Palin's Conscience: Wtf, Canada? I thought that you were the same half of North America...

That should be "sane."

/pre-coffee retardation syndrome
//time for another dose!

where have you been in the past few months. Canada really let herself go, by giving Stephen Harper a majority. He's still a bit left of Obama in some areas, but he's still a diet Dubya with aspartame, and as well know, diet something may appear to be good for you intitally, it will end up killing you quicker in the long run. :(

Bhruic: whereisian: Methadone Girls: Bill C11 is gonna get pushed through. No one seems to know about it and no one seems to care.

Indeed. It will get pushed through, there's nothing that can stop that, short of the government deciding they suddenly don't want to do it. The Leafs have a better shot at winning the cup.

True. Sadly, the Senate used to be good for at least slowing down these sorts of bills, but now that Harper has managed to stack the Senate in his favour too, we can't even rely on that. And most print media seem to be attacking them based on the omnibus crime bill (which also will pass), so we don't even have decent media exposure on this one.

The only slim hope I can see is if the bill keeps getting tied to SOPA, perhaps the negative US backlash will spill over, and the Cons will postpone the bill until they figure they can slip it through unnoticed.

Ironic, considering Harper keeps vowing to abolish the senate. We have no one to blame buy ourselves, by all those people not voting, and letting less than 40% of the country, who were primarily made up of old men in their 60s or older, decide we need an asshole like Harper leading the country in a majority. Bravo Canada, bravo.


But he likes kittens!

Guys who take pictures with kittens can't be all that bad...
 
2012-01-26 06:29:39 AM
Isn't Canada still on dial up?
 
2012-01-26 06:34:04 AM
Nemo's Brother: Isn't Canada still on dial up?

You joke, but I have been to fairly urban areas where people willingly use dial-up.

/Firefox takes an hour on dial-up
//windows service pack 3, 6 hours
 
2012-01-26 06:46:33 AM
Sarah Palin's Conscience: Nemo's Brother: Isn't Canada still on dial up?

You joke, but I have been to fairly urban areas where people willingly use dial-up.

/Firefox takes an hour on dial-up
//windows service pack 3, 6 hours


Well, 56K dialup is $10/month, and 512K DSL is $40. (though 12M cable is like $80. The ax+b equation around here has a really high B and a really low A). So for older people on a budget, especially ones who don't understand computers all that well and get tricked by "super-fast dialup" promises on the websites, and don't really use the internet, it's not entirely a bad deal.
 
2012-01-26 06:55:16 AM
This is the real problem with SOPA and it's much bigger brother ACTA. Yes, we/you have managed to stop the American SOPA passing for the time being and you should be celebrating or at least feeling pleased with yourselves; you now need to do that... everywhere else.

Because if the UK passes it's SOPA or the EU passes it's SOPA then guys what'll come out the draw and get sent off again in America? You got it, SOPA. Biatch be coming back.

But this time it'll come back with the politicians scared witless that their corporate masters are VERY unhappy after the first time and they might as well resign instead of opposing it this time; so it'll pass regardless of public protest. As they'd rather not resign and keep their money.
 
2012-01-26 07:30:16 AM
meyerkev: Well, 56K dialup is $10/month, and 512K DSL is $40. (though 12M cable is like $80.

That is stunning. I can get 100Mbit, 2 telephone lines with free nationwide calls, e-mail address, and PayTV HD channels, for 49.90 Euro a month.

If I don't want the PayTV HD cable channels, I can get 100Mbit, 1 telephone line with free nationwide calls, and an e-mail address for 29.90 Euro a month.

How in the holy fark is 12Mbit cable by itself $80?
 
2012-01-26 07:43:11 AM
Sarah Palin's Conscience: Nemo's Brother: Isn't Canada still on dial up?

You joke, but I have been to fairly urban areas where people willingly use dial-up.

/Firefox takes an hour on dial-up
//windows service pack 3, 6 hours


I live in the states, and 20 minutes West of me, people are stuck on dial up or satellite.
 
2012-01-26 07:44:25 AM
Canada's citizens need to get their act together. How the we, Americans, assist to stop this? It took more than just Americans to stop SOPA. We're all in this together.
 
2012-01-26 07:46:52 AM
Nemo's Brother: Sarah Palin's Conscience: Nemo's Brother: Isn't Canada still on dial up?

You joke, but I have been to fairly urban areas where people willingly use dial-up.

/Firefox takes an hour on dial-up
//windows service pack 3, 6 hours

I live in the states, and 20 minutes West of me, people are stuck on dial up or satellite.


'West' should not have been capitalized. For that, I apologize.
 
2012-01-26 07:49:15 AM
The funny thing is that everyone is going to begin using an anonymized, encrypted version of the internet, which will make all of these laws useless. In addition, it will ultimately be the RIAA and MPAA which will be driving people to create the safest digital haven terrorists ever dreamed of.
 
2012-01-26 08:00:00 AM
Was that article written in Canadian English or did the author suffer brain damage?
 
2012-01-26 08:10:55 AM
The only hope I have is that... the Conservatives continue to do what they've done the last few years... draw up C11 and introduce it before a recess so it dies on the floor. Previously it was always marketed as the 'Canadian DMCA' - though it was always worse than that.

So this bill is nothing new, it's been introduced in each of the last two parliaments - of course previously the Conservatives had a minority government, so there was usually just enough outcry about it to keep them from trying to push it through. But their timing on it always seemed like they were just introducing it for the sake of appeasing the *AA lobbyists.

Hopefully it can start getting more notice before it's too late for this session if it's being introduced at a point it can be pushed through.
 
2012-01-26 08:29:15 AM
I was watching C-11 back when it was called C-32. This bill was originally suppose to be pushed through with harpers "Mega crime" bill. However at the last minute it was cut and redrawn up at C-32. Originally C-32 stated that ripping media for ANY PURPOSE was against the law. Own a CD and want to rip it so you can use it on your Ipod? Enjoy your prison time you dirty pirate!

C-11 Specifically states SEVERAL TIMES that reproduction for PRIVATE USE is not against the law. Also no where in C-11 does it state that "Youtube" can not function.

Please read C-11 in its full form from the government of Canada website. Canada works very different from America, bills very rarely get rammed through the house of commons. It takes years of reading before it even goes to the senate for final approval.

http://www.parl.gc.ca/HousePublications/Publication.aspx?Language=E&M o de=1&DocId=5144516

/Would also like to point out the RCMP has stated several dozen times they really don't give a single fark about whats on your ipod
//They have bigger crimes to deal with, like where the fark did all the snow go?
 
2012-01-26 08:51:56 AM
Caeldan: The only hope I have is that... the Conservatives continue to do what they've done the last few years... draw up C11 and introduce it before a recess so it dies on the floor. Previously it was always marketed as the 'Canadian DMCA' - though it was always worse than that.

So this bill is nothing new, it's been introduced in each of the last two parliaments - of course previously the Conservatives had a minority government, so there was usually just enough outcry about it to keep them from trying to push it through. But their timing on it always seemed like they were just introducing it for the sake of appeasing the *AA lobbyists.

Hopefully it can start getting more notice before it's too late for this session if it's being introduced at a point it can be pushed through.


No, you were right in your middle paragraph. They knew that they'd never get the other parties to agree to C11, so that's why they kept allowing it to die. Now that they have a majority, there's no such worry. Unless there is a substantial public outcry, this bill will become law.
 
2012-01-26 08:54:05 AM
I_C_Weener: At least 50% of Youtube content must be Canadian?

And in French.
 
2012-01-26 08:56:39 AM
Sarah Palin's Conscience: BohemianGraham: bobbette: F*ck.

I really hope the Conservatives will do the responsible thing and not hinder Canada's tech industry competitiveness...

How much booze have you had? You're dreaming, sadly. :( The Reform Party in Conservative clothing never do the responsible thing. I want my PCs back. They were fiscally conservative, but social progressive.

Sarah Palin's Conscience: Sarah Palin's Conscience: Wtf, Canada? I thought that you were the same half of North America...

That should be "sane."

/pre-coffee retardation syndrome
//time for another dose!

where have you been in the past few months. Canada really let herself go, by giving Stephen Harper a majority. He's still a bit left of Obama in some areas, but he's still a diet Dubya with aspartame, and as well know, diet something may appear to be good for you intitally, it will end up killing you quicker in the long run. :(

Bhruic: whereisian: Methadone Girls: Bill C11 is gonna get pushed through. No one seems to know about it and no one seems to care.

Indeed. It will get pushed through, there's nothing that can stop that, short of the government deciding they suddenly don't want to do it. The Leafs have a better shot at winning the cup.

True. Sadly, the Senate used to be good for at least slowing down these sorts of bills, but now that Harper has managed to stack the Senate in his favour too, we can't even rely on that. And most print media seem to be attacking them based on the omnibus crime bill (which also will pass), so we don't even have decent media exposure on this one.

The only slim hope I can see is if the bill keeps getting tied to SOPA, perhaps the negative US backlash will spill over, and the Cons will postpone the bill until they figure they can slip it through unnoticed.

Ironic, considering Harper keeps vowing to abolish the senate. We have no one to blame buy ourselves, by all those people not voting, and letting less than 40% of the country, who were primarily made up of old men in ...


It's a cunning plan to get people to trust him. He's like a pedophile in that way. Sweater vests and kittens, what a nice, friendly man, until you elect him.

Nemo's Brother: Canada's citizens need to get their act together. How the we, Americans, assist to stop this? It took more than just Americans to stop SOPA. We're all in this together.

Canadians are lazy, apathetic, sacks of shiat. We couldn't even get enough people to come out and vote against Harper's majority, yet everyone and the dog biatches about Harper. If you assholes had voted, we wouldn't have this issue.

/Voted, and biatched at everyone who didn'tSchadenfreude ist die schoenste Freude: meyerkev: Well, 56K dialup is $10/month, and 512K DSL is $40. (though 12M cable is like $80.

That is stunning. I can get 100Mbit, 2 telephone lines with free nationwide calls, e-mail address, and PayTV HD channels, for 49.90 Euro a month.

If I don't want the PayTV HD cable channels, I can get 100Mbit, 1 telephone line with free nationwide calls, and an e-mail address for 29.90 Euro a month.

How in the holy fark is 12Mbit cable by itself $80?


Depends on the area. I currently pay around 200 dollars a month for 80 some TV channels in standard definition, uncapped 7 MBPS/s "high speed" internets, and an iJesusPhone plan that gives me 500MB of data, 300 minutes, unlimited local evenings and weekends that go from 6pm to 7am, 10 numbers anywhere in Canuckistan for talk and text, unlimited texting, voice mail, caller id, and unlimited social networking (i.e. facebooks and twitards don't count against my data usage). That's the best deal I can get. If I choose to can my TV, I'll not really be saving a lot. I feel I get more than my money's worth out of my TV though. I have TCM set on perma-record on my Desktop it seems.

Cost breakdown:

Internets - 65 bucks a month before tax
Cel phone - 63 bucks before tax
TV - 40 bucks a month before tax

So since tax is 15% in my province, that's why I pay almost 200 a month for all those things. I'm one of the lucky ones, Bell Aliant hasn't started capping the internets here like their parent company Bell does in other provinces. A lot of areas in my province still can't even get low level high speed internets, and require dial-up.
 
2012-01-26 08:59:11 AM
Schadenfreude ist die schoenste Freude: meyerkev: Well, 56K dialup is $10/month, and 512K DSL is $40. (though 12M cable is like $80.

That is stunning. I can get 100Mbit, 2 telephone lines with free nationwide calls, e-mail address, and PayTV HD channels, for 49.90 Euro a month.

If I don't want the PayTV HD cable channels, I can get 100Mbit, 1 telephone line with free nationwide calls, and an e-mail address for 29.90 Euro a month.

How in the holy fark is 12Mbit cable by itself $80?


America, that's how.
 
2012-01-26 09:00:12 AM
Fixerofcars:
C-11 Specifically states SEVERAL TIMES that reproduction for PRIVATE USE is not against the law. Also no where in C-11 does it state that "Youtube" can not function.


No one has ever thought that any of these bills (US/Canadian/whoever) would shut down Youtube. Youtube is used as the example, because it's big enough that people are very familiar with it, and it went through, in the past, exactly the sort of growth issues that bills such as this would target. Indeed, the Viacom lawsuit is still being appealed.

What this bill would affect is the next Youtube. Because when you aren't run by a mammoth corporation like Google, and you have to lure investors, the last thing they want is potential legal issues.
 
2012-01-26 09:02:50 AM
I thought I join a militant protest organization supporting internet freedom. Turns out their name is not ACTA UP and while they do support some internet freedom it is of a questionable nature.
 
2012-01-26 09:04:34 AM
Fixerofcars:

/Would also like to point out the RCMP has stated several dozen times they really don't give a single fark about whats on your ipod
//They have bigger crimes to deal with, like arresting all the potheads


This country REALLY needs electoral reform
 
2012-01-26 09:04:52 AM
i live in a city of 350,000 ish people and can't get more than 5mb dsl without giving bell ( a evil evil version of verizon) my first born every month, so i go through a re-sell who at least doesn't cap my useage. when this bill goes through, and i will some of the politicians are on the crtc ( a more inept version of fcc, with actual members of rogers and bell bord of directors running it).

that right in canada the providers actually control the regulatory panel, that controls them, sounds for for john q doesn't it?
 
2012-01-26 09:13:57 AM
bobbette: I really hope the Conservatives will do the responsible thing

I hope naked supermodels descend from the sky in parachutes to give me free BJs and $100 bills.
 
2012-01-26 09:28:52 AM
BohemianGraham: Depends on the area. I currently pay around 200 dollars a month for 80 some TV channels in standard definition, uncapped 7 MBPS/s "high speed" internets, and an iJesusPhone plan that gives me 500MB of data, 300 minutes, unlimited local evenings and weekends that go from 6pm to 7am, 10 numbers anywhere in Canuckistan for talk and text, unlimited texting, voice mail, caller id, and unlimited social networking (i.e. facebooks and twitards don't count against my data usage). That's the best deal I can get. If I choose to can my TV, I'll not really be saving a lot. I feel I get more than my money's worth out of my TV though. I have TCM set on perma-record on my Desktop it seems.

Cost breakdown:

Internets - 65 bucks a month before tax
Cel phone - 63 bucks before tax
TV - 40 bucks a month before tax

So since tax is 15% in my province, that's why I pay almost 200 a month for all those things. I'm one of the lucky ones, Bell Aliant hasn't started capping the internets here like their parent company Bell does in other provinces. A lot of areas in my province still can't even get low level high speed internets, and require dial-up.


I think you meant 7Mbps not 7MBps. And my prices are with tax included. There's no such thing as a list price here that doesn't include the VAT.

Also caps? What happens if you go over the cap, do they bill you another 63 bucks on the cell plan? That whole way of doing business is just mind boggling to me.
 
2012-01-26 09:52:48 AM
I have said it before, and I will say it again. Until people nail the RIAA and MPAA where it hurts, their pockets, nothing will change about this crap. People need to boycott. Sure, it will suck not buying new music or seeing/buying new movies, but it is worth it to save the internet.
 
2012-01-26 10:00:30 AM
bobbette: F*ck.

I really hope the Conservatives will do the responsible thing and not hinder Canada's tech industry competitiveness...


i1097.photobucket.com

When have these farktards done anything responsible? These are the same idiots that have stated that they don't govern by silly things like 'statistics' or 'facts'.
 
2012-01-26 10:10:43 AM
Schadenfreude ist die schoenste Freude: BohemianGraham: Depends on the area. I currently pay around 200 dollars a month for 80 some TV channels in standard definition, uncapped 7 MBPS/s "high speed" internets, and an iJesusPhone plan that gives me 500MB of data, 300 minutes, unlimited local evenings and weekends that go from 6pm to 7am, 10 numbers anywhere in Canuckistan for talk and text, unlimited texting, voice mail, caller id, and unlimited social networking (i.e. facebooks and twitards don't count against my data usage). That's the best deal I can get. If I choose to can my TV, I'll not really be saving a lot. I feel I get more than my money's worth out of my TV though. I have TCM set on perma-record on my Desktop it seems.

Cost breakdown:

Internets - 65 bucks a month before tax
Cel phone - 63 bucks before tax
TV - 40 bucks a month before tax

So since tax is 15% in my province, that's why I pay almost 200 a month for all those things. I'm one of the lucky ones, Bell Aliant hasn't started capping the internets here like their parent company Bell does in other provinces. A lot of areas in my province still can't even get low level high speed internets, and require dial-up.

I think you meant 7Mbps not 7MBps. And my prices are with tax included. There's no such thing as a list price here that doesn't include the VAT.

Also caps? What happens if you go over the cap, do they bill you another 63 bucks on the cell plan? That whole way of doing business is just mind boggling to me.


I just left the caps lock on. My bad.

I think it's something like 5 cents per MB on my cell plan if I go over (so if I go 250 MB over, it's like a 12.50 dollar additional charge). I've never gone over, so I've never had to pay.

Internet's the same way, you pay x amount of dollars per GB if you go over. My internet isn't capped yet, but there was talk of doing so.

Only places that include tax in the price here are the liquor stores, and few non-bix box stores, everything on a shelf is one price, but when you get to the cash, you slap on another 15% of tax. It's the opposite when I order stuff from Amazon.co.uk, It's at a higher price until I go to pay for it, and then they remove the VAT from the total.
 
2012-01-26 10:12:25 AM
BohemianGraham: Schadenfreude ist die schoenste Freude: BohemianGraham: Depends on the area. I currently pay around 200 dollars a month for 80 some TV channels in standard definition, uncapped 7 MBPS/s "high speed" internets, and an iJesusPhone plan that gives me 500MB of data, 300 minutes, unlimited local evenings and weekends that go from 6pm to 7am, 10 numbers anywhere in Canuckistan for talk and text, unlimited texting, voice mail, caller id, and unlimited social networking (i.e. facebooks and twitards don't count against my data usage). That's the best deal I can get. If I choose to can my TV, I'll not really be saving a lot. I feel I get more than my money's worth out of my TV though. I have TCM set on perma-record on my Desktop it seems.

Cost breakdown:

Internets - 65 bucks a month before tax
Cel phone - 63 bucks before tax
TV - 40 bucks a month before tax

So since tax is 15% in my province, that's why I pay almost 200 a month for all those things. I'm one of the lucky ones, Bell Aliant hasn't started capping the internets here like their parent company Bell does in other provinces. A lot of areas in my province still can't even get low level high speed internets, and require dial-up.

I think you meant 7Mbps not 7MBps. And my prices are with tax included. There's no such thing as a list price here that doesn't include the VAT.

Also caps? What happens if you go over the cap, do they bill you another 63 bucks on the cell plan? That whole way of doing business is just mind boggling to me.

I just left the caps lock on. My bad.

I think it's something like 5 cents per MB on my cell plan if I go over (so if I go 250 MB over, it's like a $12.50 dollar additional charge). I've never gone over, so I've never had to pay.

Internet's the same way, you pay x amount of dollars per GB if you go over. My internet isn't capped yet, but there was talk of doing so.

Only places that include tax in the price here are the liquor stores, and few non-bix box stores, everything on a shelf ...


FTFM
 
2012-01-26 10:14:41 AM
This Bill is a sad sad state of affairs. It appears to have been made up by people who really don't understand the facts and the environment that they are introducing it in to. Some of the provisions will stagnate research, as you can no longer break the encryption without the original copyright holders permission. While it says copies can be made if you own it already., the trick here is that if you break a digital lock any kind of digital lock, it will be deemed illegal and then they can come after you. It's just depressing that the inbred hicks that populate most of the back benches for the Conservatives, will blindly go along with this.


*sigh*

this is a great country... I really hope it stays that way.. But currently the outlook is very dim.
 
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