Will fuzzy dice hanging from the rearview mirror be standard or an option?

Whar are the "American cars are more Mexican than the Japanese cars" people at?
Whar?

$2 billion? damn well better come with a golden, velvety crown air freshener with each sale

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FlashHarry: i think they've had a plant in mexico for decades.

FTFA

"will spend as much as $2 billion on a third factory in the country as the yen's strength drives the company out of Japan."

Where is your NAFTA now?

Today I saw a truck with a 'you look like a SISSY in that foreign car' bumper sticker. I found it amusing that his F-250 that was partially constructed in Mexico was attempting to mock my Subaru that was built in Indiana.

I thought maybe it had to do with the fact that they wouldn't have to use union labor among other things. The foreign auto makers didn't put plants, in AL, TN, etc. for no reason.

Kazan: more jobs in mexico means less reason for people to illegally immigrate.

though more jobs here would be nice too.

Well, the people that illegally immigrate aren't the ones holding down nice jobs like that. They're the ones that don't have those skills.

NAFTA

$2 billion could build a pretty damn decent public transit system.

Why Yes I Am A Wizard: Drug smuggling compartments (with included drugs for shipment) are now a standard feature.

Narcixico.
Come for the beaches. Stay suspend headless from an overpass.

I don't know where Narcixico is, but I know Narcolombia isn't fond of turf wars.

Kazan: bhcompy: They're the ones that don't have those skills.

all the skills most factory workers need can be trained... the same thing happens with most illegals (they get trained)

They don't do that here, either, so why would you expect when they're going somewhere else?

drjekel_mrhyde: Whar are the "American cars are more Mexican than the Japanese cars" people at?

Anything that helps the North American economy, helps everyone here. Sending money to Asia doesn't end the mess in Mexico.
Mexico, it's in North America, thus American.
/honest

bhcompy: Kazan: bhcompy: They're the ones that don't have those skills.

all the skills most factory workers need can be trained... the same thing happens with most illegals (they get trained)

They don't do that here, either, so why would you expect when they're going somewhere else?

Factories used to train workers to do the jobs needed to function. Most people didn't leave the company because of loyalty and those lucky enough to have a union or a work in well managed company received decent/good pay and benefits. In many places generations of families worked there and received pensions when they retired. What changed that was the baby boomers who had attended college felt they should get paid more money than those trained by the company and got the company to see their point. Then companies dropped most of their training and let the colleges do it. That's why college degrees are required for most jobs. Pensions got cancelled because the same generation thought there would be more money to invest if people got on a stock generated retirement plan. Then companies didn't have to administrate retirement plans, they outsourced it. Now our workforce has no loyalty from either the worker or the company and are seen as not human but as a resource.

sonorangal: bhcompy: Kazan: bhcompy: They're the ones that don't have those skills.

all the skills most factory workers need can be trained... the same thing happens with most illegals (they get trained)

They don't do that here, either, so why would you expect when they're going somewhere else?

Factories used to train workers to do the jobs needed to function. Most people didn't leave the company because of loyalty and those lucky enough to have a union or a work in well managed company received decent/good pay and benefits. In many places generations of families worked there and received pensions when they retired. What changed that was the baby boomers who had attended college felt they should get paid more money than those trained by the company and got the company to see their point. Then companies dropped most of their training and let the colleges do it. That's why college degrees are required for most jobs. Pensions got cancelled because the same generation thought there would be more money to invest if people got on a stock generated retirement plan. Then companies didn't have to administrate retirement plans, they outsourced it. Now our workforce has no loyalty from either the worker or the company and are seen as not human but as a resource.

We also used to start having children as soon as we were biologically ready for it. Fortunately or unfortunately, those days are gone.

bhcompy: sonorangal: bhcompy: Kazan: bhcompy:

We also used to start having children as soon as we were biologically ready for it. Fortunately or unfortunately, those days are gone.

That is true. Thank that Social Conservatives/fundies who raised enough money to buy their candidates who got or are getting their agendas passed as laws.

sonorangal: bhcompy: sonorangal: bhcompy: Kazan: bhcompy:

We also used to start having children as soon as we were biologically ready for it. Fortunately or unfortunately, those days are gone.

That is true. Thank that Social Conservatives/fundies who raised enough money to buy their candidates who got or are getting their agendas passed as laws.

Blaming the money is stupid. Blame the people that voted those people in. The voters are responsible for their direct choices.

A company is buying labor like we buy groceries. Do you try to save money or is the sky the limit?

Guntram Shatterhand: Today I saw a truck with a 'you look like a SISSY in that foreign car' bumper sticker. I found it amusing that his F-250 that was partially constructed in Mexico was attempting to mock my Subaru that was built in Indiana.

Yeah, my dad made a comment about me driving a foreign car and not helping America out. My Acura was assembled in Ohio with a majority of American sourced parts while his Dodge pickup was made in Meheeco. Dumbass.

How is this different than Ford, GM, or Chrysler?

bhcompy: Kazan: more jobs in mexico means less reason for people to illegally immigrate.

though more jobs here would be nice too.

Well, the people that illegally immigrate aren't the ones holding down nice jobs like that. They're the ones that don't have those skills.

That lettuce ain't gonna pick itself.

bhcompy: sonorangal: bhcompy: sonorangal: bhcompy: Kazan: bhcompy:

We also used to start having children as soon as we were biologically ready for it. Fortunately or unfortunately, those days are gone.

That is true. Thank that Social Conservatives/fundies who raised enough money to buy their candidates who got or are getting their agendas passed as laws.

Blaming the money is stupid. Blame the people that voted those people in. The voters are responsible for their direct choices.

Yes, you can blame the voters. If you do that you also have to blame the ones who didn't vote either. They could have been the ones to block the SCs from getting their candidates into office had they taken the time to vote. The SCs know that most people will not go out and vote so they used some of that money they raised to canvas the people from like minded organizations to vote. In most states mail in ballots are legal. If a SC offer to take mail in ballots at church services, door to door, or taking people to vote they can get their way. Unless they are challenged by the opposite party doing the same thing.

Whadya mean. North America? Is that like Canada. South America is Mexico right? America is America.

I'M NOT FROM HERES! I GOT MY OWN CUSTOMS!

LOOK AT MY CUH-RAAAAAAZY PASSPORT.

"fail" because Latin Americans buy cars? The automatic assumption that they are producing them there for all importing here is a wee bit egotistical.

Since my presidential campaign platform is to annex Mexico, this is relevant to my interests.

ramblinwreck: How is this different than Ford, GM, or Chrysler?

Dunno. My new Chevy Cruze was manufactured in Youngstown, Ohio.

/150 miles on it so far.
// Smells like burning oil at idle.
/// Hopes it's not a turbo seal leak, bad PCV, or valve cover gasket.

soopey: ramblinwreck: How is this different than Ford, GM, or Chrysler?

Dunno. My new Chevy Cruze was manufactured in Youngstown, Ohio.

/150 miles on it so far.
// Smells like burning oil at idle.
/// Hopes it's not a turbo seal leak, bad PCV, or valve cover gasket.

I'd get that checked out quick. Odd smells are common on new cars as they get broken in, but burning oil is not.

RickyWilliams'sBong: soopey: ramblinwreck: How is this different than Ford, GM, or Chrysler?

Dunno. My new Chevy Cruze was manufactured in Youngstown, Ohio.

/150 miles on it so far.
// Smells like burning oil at idle.
/// Hopes it's not a turbo seal leak, bad PCV, or valve cover gasket.

I'd get that checked out quick. Odd smells are common on new cars as they get broken in, but burning oil is not.

Seeing as it's brand new I will soon if it keeps up. I'm trying to decide if they just splashed some oil on the exhaust manifold when filling it or if it's much much worse. Plan right now is to keep an eye on the oil level right now and hope for no blue clouds of smoke, yet.

Plus isn't this going to be a small car plant with most of the vehicles meant for Mexico, Central America and South America?

Nissan sells a boatload of cars in Mexico. Makes perfect sense.

Good. The more jobs that young people can find there, the less likely they are to have to work for a cartel to feed their families.

I'd rather see cars meant mostly for Latin America built in the NAFTA area than Japan, so, yeah, I'm pretty much okay with this.

Plus, I'd trust Mexicans building Nissans over Tennesseeans building Volkswagens any day of the week.

FlashHarry: i think they've had a plant in mexico for decades. i'm pretty sure i drove a mexi-nissan in the early 90s.

totally, they still make one called the tsuru, which resembles the sentra from the 80s but discontinued here in the early 90s. most of the mexican taxis are tsurus since they have a great milea... -huh, just looked up the stat and it's actually not that amazing. 25 city 35 hw, but I guess that was back in the 80s so maybe it was good for it's time?

Guntram Shatterhand: Today I saw a truck with a 'you look like a SISSY in that foreign car' bumper sticker. I found it amusing that his F-250 that was partially constructed in Mexico was attempting to mock my Subaru that was built in Indiana.

Hahaha! I've been to that Ford plant. It's in Leon, Mexico. Pretty impressive I must say.

bhcompy: sonorangal: bhcompy: sonorangal: bhcompy: Kazan: bhcompy:

We also used to start having children as soon as we were biologically ready for it. Fortunately or unfortunately, those days are gone.

That is true. Thank that Social Conservatives/fundies who raised enough money to buy their candidates who got or are getting their agendas passed as laws.

Blaming the money is stupid. Blame the people that voted those people in. The voters are responsible for their direct choices.

To a certain degree, I think it doesn't matter who you vote in. Lobbyists always seem to do their job effectively.

bhcompy: sonorangal: bhcompy: Kazan: bhcompy: They're the ones that don't have those skills.

all the skills most factory workers need can be trained... the same thing happens with most illegals (they get trained)

They don't do that here, either, so why would you expect when they're going somewhere else?

Factories used to train workers to do the jobs needed to function. Most people didn't leave the company because of loyalty and those lucky enough to have a union or a work in well managed company received decent/good pay and benefits. In many places generations of families worked there and received pensions when they retired. What changed that was the baby boomers who had attended college felt they should get paid more money than those trained by the company and got the company to see their point. Then companies dropped most of their training and let the colleges do it. That's why college degrees are required for most jobs. Pensions got cancelled because the same generation thought there would be more money to invest if people got on a stock generated retirement plan. Then companies didn't have to administrate retirement plans, they outsourced it. Now our workforce has no loyalty from either the worker or the company and are seen as not human but as a resource.

We also used to start having children as soon as we were biologically ready for it. Fortunately or unfortunately, those days are gone.

"Mass education was designed to turn independent farmers into docile, passive tools of production. That was its primary purpose. And don't think people didn't know it. They knew it and they fought against it. There was a lot of resistance to mass education for exactly that reason. It was also understood by the elites. Emerson once said something about how we're educating them to keep them from our throats. If you don't educate them, what we call "education," they're going to take control -- "they" being what Alexander Hamilton called the "great beast," namely the people. The anti-democratic thrust of opinion in what are called democratic societies is really ferocious. And for good reason. Because the freer the society gets, the more dangerous the great beast becomes and the more you have to be careful to cage it somehow."

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