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		The Colts hire the Ravens' defensive coordinator to prevent scoring at home; funny, their offense seems to be doing that just fine (espn.go.com)		40
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I_C_Weener		2012-01-25 06:28:32 PM

Is this an indication that Manning will be back as offensive coordinator?

jaylectricity		2012-01-25 07:11:48 PM

Looks like it's back to the same ole Indianapolis Colts, like before the offense was manned by Peyton.

/Manning!
//Dolphin Blood

I_C_Weener		2012-01-25 07:31:03 PM

jaylectricity: Looks like it's back to the same ole Indianapolis Colts, like before the offense was manned by Peyton.

/Manning!
//Dolphin Blood

Remember the years when Jim Irsay was the GM? Man, I can't wait for more of that.

Scrotastic Method		2012-01-25 07:40:57 PM

The fourth Baltimore D-coord to leave for a head coaching job in the last decade. As going from Baltimore to Indy is still seen as a traitorous act (you should see the comments on some of the articles in the Baltimore press, baltimoreravens.com, etc.) I wish him all the success of Marvin Lewis, Mike Nolan, and Rex Ryan.

Captain Oates		2012-01-25 08:10:57 PM

What only Ravens fans seem to realize is Ray Lewis has made all D-Co's irrelevant since Marvin Lewis.

iron_city_ap		2012-01-25 08:13:48 PM

Good Hire on their part. Before the Polians were canned, I was certain it was going to be the sweater vest. After they were fired, I thought it would probably be him. Taking a good coach from a conference perennial powerhouse is usually a good plan.

I think Peyton's retirement, I mean, rehab will be largely determined by how much Grigson and Pagano kiss his ass, assuming they don't cut/trade him 1st. When you read stuff like "The offseason moves are taking a toll on the team's morale. In an interview published Tuesday by The Indianapolis Star, Manning called the complex not a "very good environment" for healing. You have to read between the lines a bit.

They are going to get hurt in free agency I think. The players have to be looking at this situation and thinking 'if its this uncertain for Peyton, my a$$ is outta here'.

DisregardTheFollowing		2012-01-25 08:23:12 PM

I don't know anything about the guy other than he coached a monster defense (for one year). I don't think in the Colts situation that bringing in an unseasoned coach is a wise move at all. Granted, he has been a position coach for a while. I don't think the team is headed in the right direction and I think Irsay is on whatever he was on before he sobered up. Gonna be a long decade for the Colts fans.

lacrossestar83		2012-01-25 08:30:00 PM

Subby's headline almost seems like [s]he's talking about baseball.

/"[s]" is not intended to be an insult. Believe it or not there are some females on the internet, so just in case...

HellRaisingHoosier		2012-01-25 08:31:39 PM

Better than Caldwell.

Chunks McGunks		2012-01-25 08:32:10 PM

iron_city_ap: Good Hire on their part. Before the Polians were canned, I was certain it was going to be the sweater vest. After they were fired, I thought it would probably be him. Taking a good coach from a conference perennial powerhouse is usually a good plan.

I think Peyton's retirement, I mean, rehab will be largely determined by how much Grigson and Pagano kiss his ass, assuming they don't cut/trade him 1st. When you read stuff like "The offseason moves are taking a toll on the team's morale. In an interview published Tuesday by The Indianapolis Star, Manning called the complex not a "very good environment" for healing. You have to read between the lines a bit.

They are going to get hurt in free agency I think. The players have to be looking at this situation and thinking 'if its this uncertain for Peyton, my a$$ is outta here'.

What would the point of hiring the sweater vest even be? I can call the plays for him. Dive, Dive, Short Pass (slants or hook route). Exciting football!

That's the reason I never believed he would have the job. He was so great at Ohio State because he always had so much more talent than any other Big 1G team. That wouldn't be true in the NFL.

UNC_Samurai		2012-01-25 08:32:17 PM

And then there was one - Hey, Bucs, please take Mike Sherman and keep your hands off Chudzinski!

neuroflare		2012-01-25 08:56:53 PM

Totally off subject, but I listened to an interview with Gil Brandt on a local radio station today and all I could think of when listening to his rambling farking nonsense was he is the Tim McCarver of football. Am I wrong?
/end threadjack

jaylectricity		2012-01-25 09:01:05 PM

Scrotastic Method: The fourth Baltimore D-coord to leave for a head coaching job in the last decade.

iron_city_ap: Taking a good coach from a conference perennial powerhouse is usually a good plan.

That's why Belichick stopped naming offensive and defensive coordinators for awhile. They were always really good and the rest of the league would pilfer them.

Shaggy_C		2012-01-25 09:28:46 PM

Seems like a good pick; the Colts defense (particularly the secondary) was the big hole this last year. The Colts offense needed continuity (meaning Manning, duh), and given all indications (keeping the OC and Manning not leaving unless Polian says so), that seems to be the plan. There's a good chance we could see a few more great years in Indy.

Adolf Oliver Nipples		2012-01-25 09:32:18 PM

You have no idea how much I want the new Ravens defensive coordinator to bring in his own schemes and mess with everything that has made Baltimore a defensive terror. I want to see the strife live and in living color on the sidelines when Suggs and Lewis drop the hammer on the new guy and he tells them to shut up and color. I want to see the one thing that has made Baltimore even remotely good fall completely apart, if only for the year or two it will take to fire the guy. I want to see their defense get burned like an arsonist in Hell. Oh, that would make me so happy, I'm grinning ear to ear right now thinking about it.

Looks like the Steelers have a leg up on the division already next year. The Bengals aren't ready for prime time and this year may well have been a fluke anyway, they rarely string two good seasons together. Cleveland is still Cleveland. For all the Steelers fans that wanted Arians gone (I didn't) we get to see what a dedication to the run will do in a pass-happy league with one of the 5 best quarterbacks in it.

I'm already anxious for next year. Too bad I have 7 months to wait.

Fricknmaniac		2012-01-25 09:40:07 PM

Darn, Pagano was so much better than Mattison (everyone I knew was ecstatic when he left for Michigan.) I was hoping we'd keep him for more than one year, but I can't fault him for taking this job.

As weird as it sounds, he really turned around the Ravens defense this year. In 2010 the Ravens set a franchise low in sacks (27) which Pagano increased to 48 this year. He also took a defense that blew four 4th quarter leads last year and lost (and many more that they still managed to win, like the Bills and Texans games,) and didn't blow a single 4th quarter lead that led to a loss other than the AFC Championship game.

I wish him the best of luck, though I'm curious to see how much of a Rex Ryan he pulls. The Ravens have a lot of quality defensive free agents this year that they probably won't be able to retain. So we'll see how many of those people go to Indy to be with Pagano.

runwiz		2012-01-25 09:56:48 PM

Pagano may turn out to be a very good head coach. But the track record of former Ravens' defensive coordinators as head coaches has been somewhat less than spectacular. I wonder if the Ravens had beaten the Patriots and were in the Super Bowl, would the Colts have waited an extra 2 weeks to interview Pagano or would he have missed out on this opportunity?

lacydog		2012-01-25 10:37:18 PM

Scrotastic Method: The fourth Baltimore D-coord to leave for a head coaching job in the last decade. As going from Baltimore to Indy is still seen as a traitorous act (you should see the comments on some of the articles in the Baltimore press, baltimoreravens.com, etc.) I wish him all the success of Marvin Lewis, Mike Nolan, and Rex Ryan.

While certainly not runaway success stories, I would say that Lewis and Ryan have had at least some mixed success. Though they both have some trouble disciplining their players.

A part of me thinks this is somehow Rey Lewis' fault.

UNC_Samurai		2012-01-25 10:42:38 PM

lacydog: Scrotastic Method: The fourth Baltimore D-coord to leave for a head coaching job in the last decade. As going from Baltimore to Indy is still seen as a traitorous act (you should see the comments on some of the articles in the Baltimore press, baltimoreravens.com, etc.) I wish him all the success of Marvin Lewis, Mike Nolan, and Rex Ryan.

While certainly not runaway success stories, I would say that Lewis and Ryan have had at least some mixed success. Though they both have some trouble disciplining their players.

A part of me thinks this is somehow Rey Lewis' fault.

Marvin Lewis has done really well in spite of the fact that his owner is a penny-pinching chucklefark who thinks you can be successful in the NFL without a general manager and a real scouting department.

GypsyJoker		2012-01-25 10:43:06 PM

Decades later, Indianapolis is still stealing Baltimore's team... bit by bit.

\snerk

GypsyJoker		2012-01-25 10:44:37 PM

UNC_Samurai: lacydog: Scrotastic Method: The fourth Baltimore D-coord to leave for a head coaching job in the last decade. As going from Baltimore to Indy is still seen as a traitorous act (you should see the comments on some of the articles in the Baltimore press, baltimoreravens.com, etc.) I wish him all the success of Marvin Lewis, Mike Nolan, and Rex Ryan.

While certainly not runaway success stories, I would say that Lewis and Ryan have had at least some mixed success. Though they both have some trouble disciplining their players.

A part of me thinks this is somehow Rey Lewis' fault.

Marvin Lewis has done really well in spite of the fact that his owner is a penny-pinching chucklefark who thinks you can be successful in the NFL without a general manager and a real scouting department.

And that free agents will be enticed to some of the worst facilities and amenities in the league.

I_C_Weener		2012-01-25 10:48:56 PM

GypsyJoker: Decades later, Indianapolis is still stealing Baltimore's team... bit by bit.

\snerk

Well there is one difference...Baltimore didn't try to enslave this guy by eminent domain.

Shaggy_C		2012-01-25 11:14:49 PM

GypsyJoker: Decades later, Indianapolis is still stealing Baltimore's team... bit by bit.

Meh, you got your payback in the mid-90s. You took our coach, you took Goose, and you took Captain Comeback!

GypsyJoker		2012-01-25 11:21:01 PM

Shaggy_C: GypsyJoker: Decades later, Indianapolis is still stealing Baltimore's team... bit by bit.

Meh, you got your payback in the mid-90s. You took our coach, you took Goose, and you took Captain Comeback!

I'm not from Baltimore Or Indy. Just trying this "trolling" thing. Seems kinda boring.

\random capitalization of conjunctions courtesy of this iPad

Shaggy_C		2012-01-25 11:28:55 PM

GypsyJoker: I'm not from Baltimore Or Indy. Just trying this "trolling" thing. Seems kinda boring.

You didn't mention the Tebow. You can't troll a sports thread without it!

Harv72b		2012-01-25 11:35:34 PM

Hey, that was my guess. I wonder if I won?

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Allen262		2012-01-25 11:41:39 PM

lacrossestar83: Subby's headline almost seems like [s]he's talking about baseball.

/"[s]" is not intended to be an insult. Believe it or not there are some females on the internet, so just in case...

Rule 30! If any one claims to be a girl see Rule 29.

redmid17		2012-01-26 12:06:39 AM

I_C_Weener: Is this an indication that Manning will be back as offensive coordinator?

I'm torn. Grigson went out of his way to keep Clyde as the "OC" but canned almost every other coach. I don't think they've really made their decision yet. Irsay is going to be the man to make the call anyway. Manning and Grigson have admitted as much. I hope they keep him AND he is able to play at a high level. Kelvin Hayden had the same surgery and started most of the season for the Falcons.

/also lets bring back marlin jackson for vet min.
//then cut him when he gets hurt

Triumph		2012-01-26 12:11:59 AM

Scrotastic Method: The fourth Baltimore D-coord to leave for a head coaching job in the last decade. As going from Baltimore to Indy is still seen as a traitorous act (you should see the comments on some of the articles in the Baltimore press, baltimoreravens.com, etc.) I wish him all the success of Marvin Lewis, Mike Nolan, and Rex Ryan.

Add in Mike Singletary and Jack Del Rio and you have six HCs taken from Ravens defensive coaching staff.

redmid17		2012-01-26 12:16:33 AM

Triumph: Scrotastic Method: The fourth Baltimore D-coord to leave for a head coaching job in the last decade. As going from Baltimore to Indy is still seen as a traitorous act (you should see the comments on some of the articles in the Baltimore press, baltimoreravens.com, etc.) I wish him all the success of Marvin Lewis, Mike Nolan, and Rex Ryan.

Add in Mike Singletary and Jack Del Rio and you have six HCs taken from Ravens defensive coaching staff.

Out of the 5 who can be judged:

3 sucked ass (JDR, Nolan, and Singletary)
1 was touch and go (Lewis)
1 has been passable ( Ryan)

Damn thats depressing

carej		2012-01-26 12:23:16 AM

Indy? Really? I can only imagine what the folks back home are saying about this one.

Like it really matters anyway. Congrats Chuck, too bad we won't be seeing you next year.

Cybernetic		2012-01-26 08:35:20 AM

They should have hired my ex-wife. She really knows how to prevent scoring at home.

IAmRight		2012-01-26 09:58:41 AM

redmid17: 3 sucked ass (JDR, Nolan, and Singletary)
1 was touch and go (Lewis)
1 has been passable ( Ryan)

Damn thats depressing

Pretty much all of them had decent defenses - just most of them had sh*tty offenses and took over sh*tty teams.

I like how in our retarded society, reaching the tournament semifinals two out of three years is "passable." He set the sights higher than that, but in reality, that's not easy to do.

bgddy24601		2012-01-26 10:21:20 AM

Triumph: Scrotastic Method: The fourth Baltimore D-coord to leave for a head coaching job in the last decade. As going from Baltimore to Indy is still seen as a traitorous act (you should see the comments on some of the articles in the Baltimore press, baltimoreravens.com, etc.) I wish him all the success of Marvin Lewis, Mike Nolan, and Rex Ryan.

Add in Mike Singletary and Jack Del Rio and you have six HCs taken from Ravens defensive coaching staff.

Mike Smith (Falcons) was on the Ravens' staff for 3 years too. So you can put him in the same extended branch of the "coaching tree" as Singletary and DelRio.

/I'd be okay w/DelRio coming back to Baltimore as the new DC.
//Really sorry to see Pagano leave, but happy for him.

redmid17		2012-01-26 12:03:53 PM

IAmRight: redmid17: 3 sucked ass (JDR, Nolan, and Singletary)
1 was touch and go (Lewis)
1 has been passable ( Ryan)

Damn thats depressing

Pretty much all of them had decent defenses - just most of them had sh*tty offenses and took over sh*tty teams.

I like how in our retarded society, reaching the tournament semifinals two out of three years is "passable." He set the sights higher than that, but in reality, that's not easy to do.

Both of those years they did pretty poorly in the regular season. One year they made it to the finals, they had a playoff game handed to them by the Colts in the final minute.

IAmRight		2012-01-26 02:22:49 PM

redmid17: Both of those years they did pretty poorly in the regular season. One year they made it to the finals, they had a playoff game handed to them by the Colts in the final minute

10-6 is "poorly"?

I think that as a Colts fan you'd know what "poorly" looks like.

/there's no reason to have a great season anymore in the NFL - all that matters is getting into the playoffs. Home field advantage isn't even significant.

redmid17		2012-01-26 03:15:35 PM

IAmRight: redmid17: Both of those years they did pretty poorly in the regular season. One year they made it to the finals, they had a playoff game handed to them by the Colts in the final minute

10-6 is "poorly"?

I think that as a Colts fan you'd know what "poorly" looks like.

/there's no reason to have a great season anymore in the NFL - all that matters is getting into the playoffs. Home field advantage isn't even significant.

Yes I do know what a poor season looks like, especially after setting the record for most wins in a decade. Based against expectations, the Jets didn't have good regular seasons. Playoffs involve a lot more luck than people think.

Pratty		2012-01-26 04:29:30 PM

IAmRight		2012-01-27 09:45:08 AM

redmid17: Based against expectations, the Jets didn't have good regular seasons. Playoffs involve a lot more luck than people think.

The only reason the Jets expectations were high was because Ryan set them higher than people would have normally expected. Unless you expect most teams with a rookie head coach and QB to make the AFC Championship Game. Or even have a winning record. Setting goals high and falling short of them USED to be considered good because hey, if you set your goals high and fall short, then you're still doing a damn good job. Now people seem to think that if you set your goals high and fall short, then you're a failure.

Pratty: Saints laugh heartily

I forgot to add the caveat that home-field only matters if you're a dome team (that doesn't choke on bags of dicks under pressure like, say, Atlanta and Dallas).

redmid17		2012-01-27 11:48:42 AM

IAmRight: redmid17: Based against expectations, the Jets didn't have good regular seasons. Playoffs involve a lot more luck than people think.

The only reason the Jets expectations were high was because Ryan set them higher than people would have normally expected. Unless you expect most teams with a rookie head coach and QB to make the AFC Championship Game. Or even have a winning record. Setting goals high and falling short of them USED to be considered good because hey, if you set your goals high and fall short, then you're still doing a damn good job. Now people seem to think that if you set your goals high and fall short, then you're a failure.

Your 2009 record matched your 2008 record. Offense was worse because you lost a HOF QB (who had been hurt the last month of the season). Defense was much better because you brought in some food FAs, a great defensive coach, and some reorganization. You didn't exactly ride Sanchez into the playoffs, which you backed into.

2010 was much better. You got supremely lucky against Colts in the playoffs. Only 3 games in playoff history have had 2 lead changes in the last minute. You used the Ravens game plan and beat a good Pats team, but lost in the AFC CG. The team went completely off the wheels in season 3. Anytime you inherit a winning team and shiat hits the fan by season 3, I think it's pretty safe to say you might not be the best coach.

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