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Revek: Why is it when a douche meets a douche they don't cancel out?

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id say its the brown bear watching them all

http://www.flhsmv.gov/fhp/misc/Floridalaw/fllaw.htm

I guess it's not illegal after all in Florida


No parent, legal guardian, or other person responsible for a child younger than 6 years of age shall leave such child unattended or unsupervised in a motor vehicle for a period in excess of 15 minutes; however, no such person shall leave a child unattended for any period of time if the motor vehicle is running or the health of the child is in danger.

I don't advocate leaving your kids alone like that, but since the parent showed up within a couple minutes, I think there's a little overreaction going on here.

stirfrybry: http://www.flhsmv.gov/fhp/misc/Floridalaw/fllaw.htm

I guess it's not illegal after all in Florida


No parent, legal guardian, or other person responsible for a child younger than 6 years of age shall leave such child unattended or unsupervised in a motor vehicle for a period in excess of 15 minutes; however, no such person shall leave a child unattended for any period of time if the motor vehicle is running or the health of the child is in danger.

Must be a slow news day.

Maybe they're crying because there's a strange man standing inches away from them gawking and videoing them? That's not upsetting to a child at all.

Rowena: I don't advocate leaving your kids alone like that, but since the parent showed up within a couple minutes, I think there's a little overreaction going on here.

A little?

triumphator!: Maybe they're crying because there's a strange man standing inches away from them gawking and videoing them? That's not upsetting to a child at all.

But but ... the CHILDREN! Permanently scarred! The TRAUMA!!! They were CRYING!!

I just love that absolutely everybody is now walking around with a camera/video recorder on their phone. Having someone stick a camera in my face all New Year's Eve was great. Everybody is a farking Japanese tourist nowadays.

//Don't even get me started on phones at concerts.

Not that I'd be leaving kids in the car unattended but..... I think I'd freak the fark out on someone standing around filming my children, regardless of the circumstances.

Who watches the watchers?

Ayup over reaction. The guy holding a camera should be taken out in public and openly mocked.

being that it was walmart, the parent made the right choice.

"First Coast?"

Is that what you people are calling it now?

Happy Hours: Ow! That was my feelings!: I just love that absolutely everybody is now walking around with a camera/video recorder on their phone. Having someone stick a camera in my face all New Year's Eve was great. Everybody is a farking Japanese tourist nowadays.

//Don't even get me started on phones at concerts.

Ow! That was my feelings!: I just love that absolutely everybody is now walking around with a camera/video recorder on their phone. Having someone stick a camera in my face all New Year's Eve was great. Everybody is a farking Japanese tourist nowadays.

//Don't even get me started on phones at concerts.

So what do you think about phones at concerts?

what a bunch of douchebags might look like....

I have left my 4YO and 2YO in the locked car for periods up to and including 3 minutes. There, I said it.

They were happy doing whatever they were doing, and I was happy not to have to extract two small children from car seats.

/always at a convenience store, take-out restaurant, etc., where I could see the car the whole time.

Jerkwater: where I could see the car the whole time.

If that's the case, it's no problem. Otherwise, it is.

nocturn: Ayup over reaction. The guy holding a camera should be taken out in public and openly mocked.

Perhaps on a website that could link to the article, and allow visitors to comment on such. We could even submit funny headlines for the articles. I'll name it ferk.com and become a thousandaire by charging people money to see a list of all the rejected links.

Hmmmmmmmmm, l;et's see:

1. Guy leaves kids in the car, he is gone less than 5 minutes;

2. Some dickweed with nothing better to do sees this and starts a ruckus;

3. Guy comes back, dickweed confronts him;

4. Guy drives off without punching out dickweed busybody, to the disappointment of many.

I would have kicked him in the balls myself.

Stupid video vigilantes. They'll ruin it for us all.

Jerkwater: I have left my 4YO and 2YO in the locked car for periods up to and including 3 minutes. There, I said it.

They were happy doing whatever they were doing, and I was happy not to have to extract two small children from car seats.

/always at a convenience store, take-out restaurant, etc., where I could see the car the whole time.

The only time I've ever done that is in our driveway...300 feet long, off the main road, etc...ya realize you forgot something in the house...kids already buckled in, etc. lock the doors, run in the house...it's all good.

Now, out in public somewhere? nah...no way.

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I used to work in a coffee shop. One day a woman came in during a particularly busy time and ordered a few bar drinks (as in not just regular coffee) so she was going to have to wait up to 5 minutes for her order. Out of nowhere, another customer comes up and starts yelling at this lady about her leaving her baby in her car. I'm talking maybe a six month old. I happened to look out the bay window and you could see it screaming it's head off. The lady seemed completely unperturbed by this. The complaining customer, however, had already called the cops. In the end, cops and paramedics showed up, checked the baby out and after determining he was okay, told the mom "Hey, don't do that silly!". Oh boy, was the other customer mad!

/coffee shop problems

I keep my kids in a secure vault at home, it is too risky to let them out. They've been there for several years now, we are home schooling them.

I live on the First Coast (Redneck Riviera was already taken) and saw this on the news last night. As a parent, it pissed me off the guy left his kids in the car. The guy with the camera was actually doing the kids a favor by waiting for someone to show up. Who knows what might have happened to them if a guy with bad intentions had shown up.

Sure it all overwrought, but the "father" was farking stupid for leaving the kids there.

Sin_City_Superhero: I leave my kids in the car ALL THE TIME. At the convenience store, or the post office, or if I go to the movie theatre to take in the newest blockbuster, at the bar. Sometimes they're in there for hours, and hours, and nobody's taken them yet. What do I gotta do?

Dress them provocatively and put them on a plane to Bangkok. That should do it.

Revek: Why is it when a douche meets a douche they don't cancel out?

It depends on their relative phase. Sometimes they add constructively, other times destructively. It's the wave nature of douches.

One of the benefits to having a child with an obvious medical condition is that you can leave them on the street with a bow on their head and a birth certificate with the MOM part still blank and still no one would take them.

/kind of kidding
//If the car isn't running and it's not too hot or cold in the car I say you can leave them for a minute or so at a gas station or whatnot

Of course this happened at Walmart.

I recall when I was about five, my mom ran into some building on a military post. She left the keys in the ignition and the car off. I knocked the car out of gear and it rolled back into the road behind us. My brother and I were getting scared because there was a car coming towards us. (It was some ways down the road still but we didn't know if it was going to stop, we were three and five). Some gal jumped in and put the car back in the parking spot. I'm betting my mom got more vigilant about using the e-brake after that. The car was a stick so knocking out of gear for a five year old would still be easy. Mom wasn't really gone all that long, just long enough for me to get into mischief.

This "never, ever leave your kid in a car (and you're a horrible parent if you ever did)" mentality is a bit unrealistic. I don't really see an issue with going back in and grabbing something like your wallet when you're parked at your house given that you know exactly where it is and don't dawdle. Don't leave kids in the car in a public place where weird people might be or you can't be sure how long it will take because checkout lines might suddenly get long or something could happen to the computer system making check out a slow painful process. If you're doing anything that takes more than maybe two minutes worst case scenario, or you're in a store parking lot, get the kids out of the car and bring them with you.

I'm not saying we should go back to this standard, but half a century ago, mothers would leave the babies outside stores. Another half century before that, parents would leave seven-year-old kids in charge of things while they went into town, leaving children in the house alone for several hours. Technology has gotten to the point where children may need more supervision than days gone by because there may be more dangerous things to be exposed to, but generally, I think we've skewed a little to far towards the hyper vigilant regarding children.

shiat, my parents used to leave me in the car for 5-10 minutes all the time and I turned out just...Oh. My. God. Now it all adds up. Those bastards!

Just kidding. I turned out fine. My brother turned out fine. My cousins (most of them) turned out fine. Would I leave my [hypothetical] kid in the car? No. But I really can't fault my parents for doing it occasionally because that was the style at the time. Supervision was simply a lot more lax back in the day. When I went out to play (what a concept!), my mom had a general idea where I was headed in the morning but actually tracking me down to a specific location would have been a heck of a job. I might have started off at Mark's house but, by mid-afternoon, we could have been halfway across town at Kevin's house or two doors down at Chris' house or 2 miles out into the fields shooting at each other with BB guns. Hrm. I guess a little more supervision might have been a good thing. :)

ohokyeah: I'm not saying we should go back to this standard, but half a century ago, mothers would leave the babies outside stores.

That's still fairly common practice I saw used in Denmark this past August. Outside of a shop it was not uncommon to see a line of strollers with the babies still in them.

triumphator!: Maybe they're crying because there's a strange man standing inches away from them gawking and videoing them? That's not upsetting to a child at all.

That was my first thought.

Media: Careful the pedos are everywhere just waiting to snatch your baby!

Reality: Your kids are much more likely to be abused by someone in the family so leaving them with strangers is safer than uncle Bob or aunt debbie.

whidbey: "First Coast?"

Is that what you people are calling it now?

First Coast refers to the area from St. Augustine to Jacksonville. The area where Ponce de Leon landed, etc.

Well, the two choices for a mildly responsible human being are:

(1) Hang out, watch the kids to make sure they're OK until parent gets back.

(2) Hang out, watch the kids to make sure they're OK until parent gets back or the cops arrive, while calling the proper authorities and otherwise making an effort to publicly shame the parent for his negligence.

While #1 is acceptable, from a practical perspective #2 is much more likely to prevent the behavior from repeating in the future. So I see where the camera dude is coming from.

Egoy3k: Reality: Your kids are much more likely to be abused by someone in the family so leaving them with strangers is safer than uncle Bob or aunt debbie.

Or you could, you know, not leave them in the care of anyone unsupervised until you can educate them to recognize and deal with abuse and/or deal with negligence.

I mean, kids as young as three are expected to be able to figure out "if you're alone, find someone in a uniform (cops, security guards, etc) and tell them your parents' phone number", I figure if they can manage that then "if someone exposes their genitals to you, tell your parents" is well within their capacity.

But yeah, I guess I agree with your general point that random strangers are much more likely to surprise you with their fundamental goodness than their perfidy. It takes familiarity to breed the type of ulterior motives that end in abuse, the worst most random people that know nothing about your kid will do is foist the little bugger off on the nearest policeman.

Jerkwater: I have left my 4YO and 2YO in the locked car for periods up to and including 3 minutes. There, I said it.

They were happy doing whatever they were doing, and I was happy not to have to extract two small children from car seats.

/always at a convenience store, take-out restaurant, etc., where I could see the car the whole time.

THIS.

When I was little, I hated shopping for extended periods of time (unlike my mom). The solution, which really was better for everyone, was for my brother and I to go to the car and GASP! start the farker up if it was too hot/cold outside and listen to music minding our business until mom was done. We did this from 7/8 on without anything bad happening. It baffles me that even 11 year olds are now seen as completely incapable of handling sitting in a running car for a few minutes without supervision.

The irony (I think I'm using it right here) is that most of these laws were passed because of parents leaving infants/toddlers in cars for hours without climate control in extreme weather resulting in death. How many typical-for-their-age 6 year olds have died because their parents left them in a hot car? I'd venture to say none because they'll usually get out of the car and go inside to find their parents. I don't know what a parent would have to do to a 6 year old to break that basic self preservation instinct, but suffice to say in that case it's not the age of the kid that's the problem.

Most states (NV for example) have weird age guidelines too-under 7 requires 12 or over supervising.

Smart or not, nearly of those kids that died in the summer heat/winter cold would have been just fine if the A/C / heater was running.

The easy answer would be that you are responsible, PERIOD, for what happens to your kids if you leave them unattended in a car. If nothing happens, you have nothing to answer for. If they die or are injured due to hypo/hyperthermia, you get arrested and charged.

The majority of you people seem lazy, irresponsible, self-centered and naive.