Lets look at a reason why a woman would have an abortion.
1) Not mentally ready to have a child
2) Not financially ready to have a child.


Which one of these does conservative policies (i.e. tax cuts for the rich, etc..) affect more?

I'll get the popcorn.

1) Opposing sex ed.
2) Opposing birth control.
3) Treating woman as inferior

DNRTFA, but I'm willing to bet that's what it says.

4) They don't let men stick it up their woman's butt or in her mouth.

TimeWaste: I'll get the popcorn.

This

Just more evidence that organized religion of all sects is one of the greatest threats to the human race.

Want to see some insanity? When you have something like 20 minutes to spare you should read this because it is insane. And frankly insane people shouldn't have FaceBook pages. It's done best if done with a dramatic reading and you know someone who can nail a "baby voice".


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//Had my sister read this last night and she was crying from laughter about 2/3 into it

Yeah, yeah, we get it ... Christians are stupid people who don't think their cunning plan all the way through. Could we please go back to our regularly scheduled program including important things like bacon, zombies and LOLcats?

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Would you like a window or an aisle seat?

There are more total abortions and far more unsafe abortions where it's illegal. It seems that if what you intend to do is reduce the number of abortions, education and counseling are more effective than prohibitions. Now where have I heard something like that before...

Abortions are wrong. Locking the little crotch fruit in a rubbermaid storage container, placing it back in the crib once it's gone cold, and then claiming SIDS? That's just god's will.

That article was useless drivel.

TimeWaste: I'll get the popcorn.

I'm sure this thread will be full of thoughtful and well-considered commentary designed to further our understanding of this difficult topic.

Vegemite: TimeWaste: I'll get the popcorn.

This

We may need the National Guard to airdrop enough popcorn to deal with this one.

Talondel: 1) Opposing sex ed.
2) Opposing birth control.
3) Treating woman as inferior

DNRTFA, but I'm willing to bet that's what it says.

Pretty much. When you spend 40 years trying to push an extreme and no-compromise agenda, you're missing out on an opportunity to at least mitigate what you're trying to prevent. The hundreds of millions (or billions at this point) of dollars spent by the pro-lifers on protests, ballot initiatives, trying to influence elections, etc. could have been spent trying to find ways to help women not be in that situation to begin with.

Yogimus: Abortions are wrong. Locking the little crotch fruit in a rubbermaid storage container, placing it back in the crib once it's gone cold, and then claiming SIDS? That's just god's will.

That might be the worst thing I've read on Fark that didn't involve eating eyes. Good job.

I'm for freedom of choice. My belief, based upon years of study, is that no soul goes into the fetus until very close to the birth.

Interesting side note: Sometimes crib death is a result of the soul not going into the body at all, due to changing circumstances.

Whatever happens is always for the comfort of God's precious children - us - in the long run.

you have pee hands: There are more total abortions and far more unsafe abortions where it's illegal. It seems that if what you intend to do is reduce the number of abortions, education and counseling are more effective than prohibitions. Now where have I heard something like that before...

And typically in those countries it's also near impossible to access effective birth control or there is even worse sexual education than there is in Florida.

Interestingly, abortions are 14 times safer than childbirth. Which really makes you wonder about all the scare tactic, factually untrue, mandatory warnings that conservatives force doctors to provide.

As a rational person I would like to distance myself form these other Christians since they are insane. In future please call these people fundamentalist/fundy/sun dried brained/insane Christians and those like me rational/enlightened/sane Christians. I know my religion has done many things to make God cry, but my sect was formed to stop such things...and then it splintered further and the crazies made up there own rules.

\May God have mercy on their deluded souls.

There are only 3?

*Reads the article.*

Oh yeah, I thought of at least 3 more.

KatjaMouse: Want to see some insanity? When you have something like 20 minutes to spare you should read this because it is insane. And frankly insane people shouldn't have FaceBook pages. It's done best if done with a dramatic reading and you know someone who can nail a "baby voice".
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/ripped off from STFUParents
//Had my sister read this last night and she was crying from laughter about 2/3 into it

Thank you for that... that was hilarious!!!!!

czei: TimeWaste: I'll get the popcorn.

I'm sure this thread will be full of thoughtful and well-considered commentary designed to further our understanding of this difficult topic.

I'm expecting the whole debate to end with this thread. A funny picture will be posted and the other side will say "Ahhh, yes, they are right." The world will unanimously agree that abortion is ________________.

PsiChi: I'm for freedom of choice. My belief, based upon years of study, is that no soul goes into the fetus until very close to the birth.

Then there are the people that believe there are souls in all those little sperms and that's why masturbation is bad. Forget the Onan story, it's the whole "every sperm is sacred" argument. Imagine guys: you're producing 1,000,000 fresh sperm and 1,000,000 fresh souls a day. Even for the defunct mal formed sperm that won't quite make it out of your peener. It has a soul. And if you don't use it, God kills them all and has your body cannibalize it and then goes through the trouble of producing 1,000,000 fresh souls and fresh sperm to carry them.

Same goes for those rejected eggs every month, ladies.

For absolutely no reason whatsoever, here is some Lionel Richie. Bonus: Afro-mullets

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Talondel: 1) Opposing sex ed.
2) Opposing birth control.
3) Treating woman as inferior

DNRTFA, but I'm willing to bet that's what it says.

No. It basically says religion is dumb and since our abortion rate is high and our religions rate is high..... they're correlated and ultimately directly responsible for abortions.
Basically it's a pathetic piece of dribble.
If this were a liberal issue.. farkdom would FILL this thread with correlation != causation comments and cartoons.
But given the subject.. I expect the opposite will take place.

It's only ironic if you don't expect a bunch of people who follow a religion based on perpetual persecution to do things that perpetuate their feelings of persecution....

Harvey Manfrenjensenjen: When you spend 40 years trying to push an extreme and no-compromise agenda

The Christian political insanity didn't start with Jerry Falwell, he just popularized it in American politics. Christians, Jews, and Muslims have been screwing things up for everyone else through politics and war for millenniums.

Which is why, at this stage in our evolution, I cannot believe we still listen to religious people about anything. It really goes to show that evolution doesn't necessarily make you smarter or stronger, just as long as you manage to live long enough to bust your own defective copy out.

There was a time when Thomas Jefferson admitted in letters to friends that at the rate that the enlightenment movement was going that organized religion was going to peter out well before the start of the new millennium. TJ, you optimistic but dumb bastard.

Here's the logic that pro-lifers take, in the form of a pro-slowdriver...

We don't want people to drive fast, so we will say they can't. And since now they can't, we have no reason to put brakes, or bumpers and fenders on cars. And since people will most definitely 100% not drive fast anymore ever, since we said they can't which means they never will ever, we don't really need seat belts either. Why bother to put in preventative and safety measures for something they will never ever ever do, since we said they can't.

Splinshints: Which is why, at this stage in our evolution, I cannot believe we still listen to religious people about anything.

I don't. As soon as they bring up their Faith, I bring on the STFU.
religeon is like having a penis. I'ts ok ot have one.
It's ok to be proud of it. Don't wave it around in public, and don't try shoving in down my throat. Keep it in your pants at the polling place, too. Farking spiritual perverts.

Christians cause abortions through their quixotic dogmatism with opposing sex, period. Promoting birth control enables people to have sex without negative consequences. Their actions are not consistent with a desire to prevent abortion; their actions are consistent with a desire to punish women for having sex.

Abortion is a horrible, shiatty method of birth control.

But with good sex education and easily available contraceptives, abortion rates would drop.

"But that will make kids want to have teh sex!!!"

Look at the unwed and teen pregnancy rates, they're already farking like rabbits, and conservative religious types think sex ed and contraceptives will make kids want to do it more??? Dumbasses....

/Proud Southern Baptist
//Well, maybe not "proud"...

It's too bad China is filled with so many Christians or the people there wouldn't be getting so many abortions.

Uninformed Atheist thought up an opinion in 30 seconds and felt compelled to share it apparently.

KatjaMouse: Then there are the people that believe there are souls in all those little sperms and that's why masturbation is bad. Forget the Onan story, it's the whole "every sperm is sacred" argument. Imagine guys: you're producing 1,000,000 fresh sperm and 1,000,000 fresh souls a day. Even for the defunct mal formed sperm that won't quite make it out of your peener. It has a soul. And if you don't use it, God kills them all and has your body cannibalize it and then goes through the trouble of producing 1,000,000 fresh souls and fresh sperm to carry them.

Same goes for those rejected eggs every month, ladies.

It only has half a soul. Would you want to have half a soul? I'm doing them a favor.

KatjaMouse: Want to see some insanity? When you have something like 20 minutes to spare you should read this because it is insane. And frankly insane people shouldn't have FaceBook pages. It's done best if done with a dramatic reading and you know someone who can nail a "baby voice".
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/ripped off from STFUParents
//Had my sister read this last night and she was crying from laughter about 2/3 into it

I went to an all-girl Catholic high school. That was read in religion class in complete seriousness, and over half the class was crying uncontrollably from it. lolwut. This was at least ten years ago, too, it's probably still being read today.

/they had pictures of fetuses on the back of the door in the bathroom stalls, so you got to stare at a fetus and a bible quote while you peed
//stole them all

Voiceofreason01: Talondel: 1) Opposing sex ed.
2) Opposing birth control.
3) Treating woman as inferior

DNRTFA, but I'm willing to bet that's what it says.

no, but the article sucks and your list is better

Agreed.

An end to abortion is the RNC's worst nightmare. That's why they promote Talondel's list while at the same time passing obviously unconstitutional anti-abortion laws. It makes them appear to be champions of the pro-lifers, while actually causing the number of abortions to go up.

It's brilliant, if not completely cynical and amoral.

1) Promoting hypocrisy.
2) Promoting hypocrisy.
3) Promoting hypocrisy.

Also, promoting hypocrisy.

penguinfark: Abortion is a horrible, shiatty method of birth control.

But with good sex education and easily available contraceptives, abortion rates would drop.

"But that will make kids want to have teh sex!!!"

Look at the unwed and teen pregnancy rates, they're already farking like rabbits, and conservative religious types think sex ed and contraceptives will make kids want to do it more??? Dumbasses....

/Proud Southern Baptist
//Well, maybe not "proud"...

Well, condoms aren't 100% effective.
Diaphrams, the pill, IUD, aren't 100% effective.
Pulling out isn't 100% effective.
An abortion is 100% effective.
It's actually the best form of birth control.

Voiceofreason01: Talondel: 1) Opposing sex ed.
2) Opposing birth control.
3) Treating woman as inferior

DNRTFA, but I'm willing to bet that's what it says.

no, but the article sucks and your list is better

That's pretty much exactly what the article said.

Brubold: It's too bad China is filled with so many Christians or the people there wouldn't be getting so many abortions.

Uninformed Atheist thought up an opinion in 30 seconds and felt compelled to share it apparently.

This should get ugly fast.

They'd rather be right than solve problems. They would rather oppose abortion than prevent it.


QFT

moonage daydream: KatjaMouse: Want to see some insanity? When you have something like 20 minutes to spare you should read this because it is insane. And frankly insane people shouldn't have FaceBook pages. It's done best if done with a dramatic reading and you know someone who can nail a "baby voice".
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/ripped off from STFUParents
//Had my sister read this last night and she was crying from laughter about 2/3 into it

I went to an all-girl Catholic high school. That was read in religion class in complete seriousness, and over half the class was crying uncontrollably from it. lolwut. This was at least ten years ago, too, it's probably still being read today.

/they had pictures of fetuses on the back of the door in the bathroom stalls, so you got to stare at a fetus and a bible quote while you peed
//stole them all

Wow...that's kind of horrible. Not the stealing part, the rest of it.