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2012-01-25 11:12:00 AM

j0ndas: Obama doesn't write his own speeches. He doesn't even orate his own speeches, he goes everywhere with a teleprompter.


Wow, I had no idea all of the previous presidents wrote their own speeches and never used a teleprompter.
 
2012-01-25 11:13:13 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: Thunderpipes: Obama poops, Farkers call him a hero, news at 11:00!

Getting pretty pathetic in here guys.

But heh, if he gets elected, we get another 10 trillion in debt, woot! We can just tax rich people more!

Bush deposes Saddam Hussein and he's vilified. Obama assassinates Osama bin Laden and he's a hero.

Double standards, get used to them, Thunderpipes.


actually not even close chief...Saddam Hussien was NEVER a threat to the US.
Osama was a direct threat.
Osama 's raid was succesful with zero friendly casualty and intended target neutralized. Bush's adventure to kill a guy who was not a direct danger (to the US) has cost us $1 trillion and hundreds of thousands of innocent lives on all sides BUT yeah go ahead and pretend both are similar.
 
2012-01-25 11:14:11 AM
The mental gymnastics derp motherfarkers put themselves through to put a negative spin on something Obama got 100% right are absolutely hilarious.

It's like tripping on your own goddamn shoes.
 
2012-01-25 11:14:43 AM
www.pbase.com


3rd world problem: Going up against Seal Team 6 with Airguns.
 
2012-01-25 11:19:52 AM
Just so we are clear on how things work for all of you who are saying Obama is doing this and that. When a state of war does not exist the president doesn't plan raids or order raids he signs off on them he can request them. The men and women of the armed forces plan the raids and then present the plan to the secretary of defense who then seeks the president's signature. If you want to give Obama kudos than let us give those to him for signing off and not refusing like Clinton did. If Obama was really tuff on defense he would have requested the armed service to plan the two raids, but then he is not a take charge type of leader so that is why he just signed off on them.

The problem is that few take the time to understand how things work so when they cast their vote they often don't make the best choice which is why we have the worst president of all time in office right now.
 
2012-01-25 11:21:14 AM
What previous US presidents giving speeches may have looked like:

http://www.defshepherd.com/2011/08/pictures-of-presidents-with.html

www.bartcop.com
3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-01-25 11:25:09 AM

Prevailing Wind: 3rd world problem: Going up against Seal Team 6 with Airguns.


3rd world problem: Guns with two triggers
 
2012-01-25 11:26:23 AM

Grungehamster: SUMMARY: Obama believes that America is a great nation (and indeed superior to all others) due to the great works it has done and due to the attitudes, sacrifices, and general efforts of her people. However, he rejects the concept that America is superior to all other nations by virtue of its very existance and believes we should work to live up to this greatness rather than assume inherent superiority due to birthright.


that is what American Exceptionalism is though. The superiority of the United States over all others. The idea that the US is superior to other countries is rejected by many regardless of the reasoning.
 
2012-01-25 11:27:02 AM

Profedius: Just so we are clear on how things work for all of you who are saying Obama is doing this and that. When a state of war does not exist the president doesn't plan raids or order raids he signs off on them he can request them.


Thanks. That really clears things up.
 
2012-01-25 11:28:09 AM

czei: What previous US presidents giving speeches may have looked like:

http://www.defshepherd.com/2011/08/pictures-of-presidents-with.html

[www.bartcop.com image 640x379]
[3.bp.blogspot.com image 500x375]


they looked like us! Damn tootin'!
 
2012-01-25 11:30:54 AM
It's a joke how republicans say the President is not tough enough in his foreign policy. He has gone into Pakistan and other countries like Libiya. He has gone after Osama and other enemies of the US and probably enemy nuclear scientists. Not only has he been killing our enemies he has been smart and used covert ops to destroy/ delay Iran's nuclear weapons capabilities.

Most or all these things no President before him has been 'tough' enough to do.
 
2012-01-25 11:34:28 AM

Aldon: It's a joke how republicans say the President is not tough enough in his foreign policy. He has gone into Pakistan and other countries like Libiya. He has gone after Osama and other enemies of the US and probably enemy nuclear scientists. Not only has he been killing our enemies he has been smart and used covert ops to destroy/ delay Iran's nuclear weapons capabilities.

Most or all these things no President before him has been 'tough' enough to do.


wow...
 
2012-01-25 11:39:03 AM

canyoneer: Giltric: Jessica Buchanan, daughter of John Buchanan....open secrets has a John Buchanan as one of Obamas Inauguration donors and a lobbyist. But with so many Americans being held around the world.......why rescue this one?

Podesta Group?


Yep Podesta Mattoon was listed.
 
2012-01-25 11:39:52 AM

Jackson Herring: Prevailing Wind: 3rd world problem: Going up against Seal Team 6 with Airguns.

3rd world problem: Guns with two triggers


LMAO....that too.
 
2012-01-25 11:40:57 AM

pedobearapproved: At least 9 people died to save the lives of two. The US government took their lives at the request of a single person without trial. What would have been the cost of saving those two? Would have been less than the cost of the mission which cut 9 young men down in their prime. Did we even get the person in charge directing all of this? Think of the suffering now upon the families that these men came from. Their wives will be scared for life, with no other source of income and the children grow up without a father. The memories and hard lessons these men had to learn amount to nothing. They are no longer able to share their mistakes and regrets. They are no longer able to share their culture and heritage with their children. And for what, a political point earned?


1/10
 
2012-01-25 11:41:21 AM
All this money he's dumping on the rest of the world being "tough" makes me totally forgive him for his TSA policies and signing the NDAA and extending the Patriot Act and dumping all over my Constitutional rights. Thanks, Obama! You and your loser opposition are keeping me away from the polls this year. Please don't find some way to f*ck up my reproductive rights during your next term.
 
2012-01-25 11:42:03 AM

Stabone33: TheCenturion: Clancy called it again, right down to the qat. Debt of Honor, opening, I think.

Here's my tinfoil hat theory:

Tom Clancy was one of our Cold War era CIA's most effective weapons. He was fed intelligence about Soviet war plans (Red Storm Rising), weapon development projects (Cardinal of the Kremlin, The Hunt for Red October), and successful clandestine operations that made the Soviets look bad (that book whose title I can't remember about the Pope assassination plot where they smuggled the turncoat dude out in the back of some shiatbox car...that one kinda sucked). It was all a grand strategy to tell the Soviets, "hey -- look how good our intelligence is...there's not a damn thing you can do that we won't find out about. We're so good we even let our people write novels about it. You might as well just give up."

I also seem to vaguely remember some third-page Washington Post blurb several years ago where some CIA agent who was the most successful case officer in Moscow got some award on his retirement, and his name was given as "M.P.", which (as a female), was one of the main characters in Cardinal. Spent all afternoon a couple weeks ago GIS'ing for that, and I couldn't find it.


Clancy was more of a Mil-tech geek, who like his hard Sci-fi author heroes made sure he got his science right. Remember that Hunt for Red October was the very first fiction book ever published by Naval Institute Press. I was told by someone who might have reason to know that in the 80's 3 copies of HRO were stored in the safe at the US Naval Academy and that three minor corrections were hand written into the text, causing all three copies to be stamped "top Secret"
 
2012-01-25 11:42:50 AM
Oops, I should have said dumping and then crapping.
 
2012-01-25 11:43:46 AM
Republicans better hope that the economy goes south again, because it's going to be pretty goddamn hard for Mitt or Newt to argue that they'd be a better Commander-in-Chief.
 
2012-01-25 11:48:53 AM

Profedius: Just so we are clear on how things work for all of you who are saying Obama is doing this and that. When a state of war does not exist the president doesn't plan raids or order raids he signs off on them he can request them. The men and women of the armed forces plan the raids and then present the plan to the secretary of defense who then seeks the president's signature. If you want to give Obama kudos than let us give those to him for signing off and not refusing like Clinton did. If Obama was really tuff on defense he would have requested the armed service to plan the two raids, but then he is not a take charge type of leader so that is why he just signed off on them.

The problem is that few take the time to understand how things work so when they cast their vote they often don't make the best choice which is why we have the worst president of all time in office right now.


I have to hand it to you, I can't tell if you're clueless, trolling, lying or just plain stupid. Well done sir, well done.
 
2012-01-25 11:49:10 AM
Same team always getting involved in events like these?

stargate.blogvie.com know what that's like

/hot
 
2012-01-25 11:49:45 AM
Obama has been the ultimate "Speak softly/ nicely and carry a big stick" kind of foreign policy president.

Repubican's could argue based on facts and say Obama is too agressive and didn't deserve the Nobel prize....but it is pretty hard to deny his results ( if you are based in reality).
 
2012-01-25 11:50:35 AM

skullkrusher: Grungehamster: SUMMARY: Obama believes that America is a great nation (and indeed superior to all others) due to the great works it has done and due to the attitudes, sacrifices, and general efforts of her people. However, he rejects the concept that America is superior to all other nations by virtue of its very existance and believes we should work to live up to this greatness rather than assume inherent superiority due to birthright.

that is what American Exceptionalism is though. The superiority of the United States over all others. The idea that the US is superior to other countries is rejected by many regardless of the reasoning.


Yes it may be rejected by many, but Obama isn't one of them. There is an ongoing allegation that Obama dismissed belief in American greatness because he suggested that other countries also exhibit pride in their cultural identity and that he's willing to concede America hasn't always done the right thing in the past.

There is a distinct difference between believing this country is unremarkable and rejection of blind nationalistic pride that reduces American greatness to a mantra ("The U.S. is the greatest, best country God has ever given man on the face of the earth") and treats self-reflection as tantamount to treason.
 
2012-01-25 11:51:34 AM
blogs.e-rockford.com
Good thing this (new window) website exists!
 
2012-01-25 11:52:35 AM

Magorn: Clancy was more of a Mil-tech geek, who like his hard Sci-fi author heroes made sure he got his science right.


Yeah, my alternate conspiracy theory was that he was deliberately fed most of the info from multiple sources who worked together, and was unknowingly releasing actual secrets, rather than actively working for the CIA. He's a talented writer for sure, and was relatively unknown until HRO came out.

The other "evidence:" The AWESOME disinformation campaign surrounding the shape of the F-117 before it was acknowledged. I remember the two different model airplane kits, one the "frisbee" that Clancy described in RSR, and the other, almost-true-to-form "dart" one. Neither were quite correct, as it turned out.
 
2012-01-25 11:54:22 AM

meta1hed: [blogs.e-rockford.com image 426x282]
Good thing this (new window) website exists!


Good thing my childhood epilepsy wasn't really "epilepsy"
 
2012-01-25 11:56:22 AM

Aldon: Obama has been the ultimate "Speak softly/ nicely and carry a big stick" kind of foreign policy president.

Repubican's could argue based on facts and say Obama is too agressive and didn't deserve the Nobel prize....but it is pretty hard to deny his results ( if you are based in reality).


Very rarely have we seen a president come out and wave his black ops credentials and accomplishments around.....presidents are usually modest about things like that....like they know its not their credit to take.

But Obama is not one to shy away from taking the spotlight and credit at every opportunity.
 
2012-01-25 12:00:52 PM

Magorn: Tom Clancy


What ever happened to him? He wrote a few really good novels, followed by a bunch of crappy books. But he hasn't written any new novels in years. Did he quit?

/not counting all the "Tom Clancy, Inc." co-written bs.
 
2012-01-25 12:08:38 PM

Giltric: Aldon: Obama has been the ultimate "Speak softly/ nicely and carry a big stick" kind of foreign policy president.

Repubican's could argue based on facts and say Obama is too agressive and didn't deserve the Nobel prize....but it is pretty hard to deny his results ( if you are based in reality).

Very rarely have we seen a president come out and wave his black ops credentials and accomplishments around.....presidents are usually modest about things like that....like they know its not their credit to take.

But Obama is not one to shy away from taking the spotlight and credit at every opportunity.


Really? Give me an example of a president being more humble than Obama about an operation like this.

I know Bush wasted no time "taking the spotlight" (your words) for Saddam or Kalid Shiek Mohammad (sp?).

Maybe Obama should have flown in on a carrier jet in uniform With a " mission accomplished" banner flying behind him? At least the banner would be somewhat accurate this time.
 
2012-01-25 12:11:07 PM

Profedius: Just so we are clear on how things work for all of you who are saying Obama is doing this and that. When a state of war does not exist the president doesn't plan raids or order raids he signs off on them he can request them. The men and women of the armed forces plan the raids and then present the plan to the secretary of defense who then seeks the president's signature. If you want to give Obama kudos than let us give those to him for signing off and not refusing like Clinton did. If Obama was really tuff on defense he would have requested the armed service to plan the two raids, but then he is not a take charge type of leader so that is why he just signed off on them.

The problem is that few take the time to understand how things work so when they cast their vote they often don't make the best choice which is why we have the worst president of all time in office right now.



LOL. But George Bush protected us from terrorist attacks for 8 years...except for that one time.


/You all are going to have to come to grips in your own heads with what a President does and is responsible for.
//We get it. He's black.
 
2012-01-25 12:14:12 PM
What's the right-wing's take gonna be on this one? Will Rush talk about him killing black Muslim boys again?
 
2012-01-25 12:14:31 PM

Profedius: The problem is that few take the time to understand how things work so when they cast their vote they often don't make the best choice which is why we have the worst president of all time in office right now.


You almost sounded reasonable until the end, then you blew it.
 
2012-01-25 12:17:54 PM

Whodat: Definition of ASSASSINATE
transitive verb
1: to injure or destroy unexpectedly and treacherously
2: to murder (a usually prominent person) by sudden or secret attack often for political reasons

So the use of the term "assassinate" is appropriate.


Its treacherous to attack an enemy threatening hostages (in a surprise attack) when the primary purpose of the strike is to rescue hostages, and not specifically to kill that enemy?

By your definition, any SWAT raid that results in a persons' death is an "assasination."

/WACO anyone?
 
2012-01-25 12:30:18 PM
I was just thinking about this, and I'll leave this here:

If Obama was President when Carter was President, the American hostages in Iran would have been freed.

That is, Presidential decisions on the amount of resources to give a strike team of this type (and decisions of that sort) matter.

Now, if Dubya was President then, he would launched a full scale invasion of Iran with a million troops and several hundred thousand people (including tens of thousands of US troops and the American hostages themselves) would have died.

See the difference? Carter is too timid, Bush is too gungho, Obama is just right, and only the middle option actually gets the job done.
 
2012-01-25 12:31:26 PM
I for one am very happy the SEALS are on our side.

They operated in an area with no real government, no modern map other than their own intel, and did an amazing job. Obviously they practiced this raid with a high degree of detail.

Now look at what happened to the Russians in Beslan, a well known, mapped, and familiar area. Most of the rebels got away despite hundreds of troops surrounding them.

I am very impressed.
 
2012-01-25 12:36:05 PM

Tax Boy: What ever happened to him? He wrote a few really good novels, followed by a bunch of crappy books. But he hasn't written any new novels in years. Did he quit?


He just released a new book 'Dead or Alive' in 2010 it was marginally entertaining but compared to the abortion that was his previous book it seemed pretty good.

Red Storm Rising was his best book IMO followed by the Bear and the Dragon.
 
2012-01-25 12:38:11 PM

dersk: duffman13: Well, that danish girl they rescued is pretty hot. I'd hit it.

Umm, either you've got really odd taste or you haven't realized it was a Danish man and an American woman who were rescued.


RTFA was never my strong point. I saw cute with blond hair and automagically assumed she was from that portion of the eurpoean continent
 
2012-01-25 12:39:59 PM

Giltric:

Very rarely have we seen a president come out and wave his black ops credentials and accomplishments around.....presidents are usually modest about things like that....like they know its not their credit to take.


lh3.ggpht.com

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-01-25 12:41:20 PM

Egoy3k: Tax Boy: What ever happened to him? He wrote a few really good novels, followed by a bunch of crappy books. But he hasn't written any new novels in years. Did he quit?

He just released a new book 'Dead or Alive' in 2010 it was marginally entertaining but compared to the abortion that was his previous book it seemed pretty good.

Red Storm Rising was his best book IMO followed by the Bear and the Dragon.


Apparently, as soon as he got successful enough he managed to get contracts that specified no editors. And it shows. I gave up on him around Rainbow Six or so, the one with the vegetarian terrorists. It seemed to me that he really started falling into paranoid right-wing fantasies.
 
2012-01-25 12:45:03 PM

xxmedium: Giltric:

Very rarely have we seen a president come out and wave his black ops credentials and accomplishments around.....presidents are usually modest about things like that....like they know its not their credit to take.


[lh3.ggpht.com image 325x385]

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 200x200]


You would expect there to be a certain amount of fanfaire around a war ending....but not eveytime a forward operator lazes a target.
 
2012-01-25 12:45:06 PM

pedobearapproved: At least 9 people died to save the lives of two. The US government took their lives at the request of a single person without trial. What would have been the cost of saving those two? Would have been less than the cost of the mission which cut 9 young men down in their prime. Did we even get the person in charge directing all of this? Think of the suffering now upon the families that these men came from. Their wives will be scared for life, with no other source of income and the children grow up without a father. The memories and hard lessons these men had to learn amount to nothing. They are no longer able to share their mistakes and regrets. They are no longer able to share their culture and heritage with their children. And for what, a political point earned?


I like you. You 're fun.
 
2012-01-25 12:50:49 PM

AverageAmericanGuy: Thunderpipes: Obama poops, Farkers call him a hero, news at 11:00!

Getting pretty pathetic in here guys.

But heh, if he gets elected, we get another 10 trillion in debt, woot! We can just tax rich people more!

Bush deposes Saddam Hussein and he's vilified. Obama assassinates Osama bin Laden and he's a hero.

Double standards, get used to them, Thunderpipes.


Bush unleashes decades of sectarian warfare in Iraq and makes the entire planet a more dangerous place, and is lionized. Obama kills the guy that actually murdered 3000 people and left a smoking hole in downtown Manhattan, and right wing stooges give credit to Bush.
 
2012-01-25 12:51:17 PM

dersk: Egoy3k: Tax Boy: What ever happened to him? He wrote a few really good novels, followed by a bunch of crappy books. But he hasn't written any new novels in years. Did he quit?

He just released a new book 'Dead or Alive' in 2010 it was marginally entertaining but compared to the abortion that was his previous book it seemed pretty good.

Red Storm Rising was his best book IMO followed by the Bear and the Dragon.

Apparently, as soon as he got successful enough he managed to get contracts that specified no editors. And it shows. I gave up on him around Rainbow Six or so, the one with the vegetarian terrorists. It seemed to me that he really started falling into paranoid right-wing fantasies.


I agree with you as for the quality of the writing going downhill and the vegan terrorists were lame but I ignored that and enjoyed the counter terrorism SWAT style raids. As for the right wing fantasies well I haven't thought about it much because he isn't exactly the type of writer that makes me care too much about his views. He seems to try really hard not to be partisan the character Robert Fowler seems to take the worse of both sides of the spectrum and make one giant douche of a president, he's clearly Clinton when he gets accused to sexual misconduct and clearly Bush when he messes up the Iraq situation.
 
2012-01-25 12:55:23 PM

Grungehamster: SUMMARY: Obama believes that America is a great nation (and indeed superior to all others) due to the great works it has done and due to the attitudes, sacrifices, and general efforts of her people. However, he rejects the concept that America is superior to all other nations by virtue of its very existence and believes we should work to live up to this greatness rather than assume inherent superiority due to birthright.


Makes sense to me.
 
2012-01-25 12:57:46 PM

Prevailing Wind: [www.pbase.com image 640x425]
3rd world problem: Going up against Seal Team 6 with Airguns.


Difficulty: no air support, naval support, satellite/drone look-down, night vision, cell phone interception, secure communications, custom laser small arms, mock-up training model and, especially, no chow hall with midnight chow.
 
2012-01-25 12:59:44 PM
Oh, and I would also like to add a FARK YEAH, AMERICA to this thread.
 
2012-01-25 01:01:05 PM

Egoy3k: dersk: Egoy3k: Tax Boy: What ever happened to him? He wrote a few really good novels, followed by a bunch of crappy books. But he hasn't written any new novels in years. Did he quit?

He just released a new book 'Dead or Alive' in 2010 it was marginally entertaining but compared to the abortion that was his previous book it seemed pretty good.

Red Storm Rising was his best book IMO followed by the Bear and the Dragon.

Apparently, as soon as he got successful enough he managed to get contracts that specified no editors. And it shows. I gave up on him around Rainbow Six or so, the one with the vegetarian terrorists. It seemed to me that he really started falling into paranoid right-wing fantasies.

I agree with you as for the quality of the writing going downhill and the vegan terrorists were lame but I ignored that and enjoyed the counter terrorism SWAT style raids. As for the right wing fantasies well I haven't thought about it much because he isn't exactly the type of writer that makes me care too much about his views. He seems to try really hard not to be partisan the character Robert Fowler seems to take the worse of both sides of the spectrum and make one giant douche of a president, he's clearly Clinton when he gets accused to sexual misconduct and clearly Bush when he messes up the Iraq situation.


I think we can all agree that Fowler could fark up anything. I would question whether he would have had the ability to pick out two matching socks in the morning. From a drawer full of identical black socks.

/Yes, I realize he was a fictional character. But wow, what a screw-up.
 
2012-01-25 01:02:14 PM

Tax Boy: Magorn: Tom Clancy

What ever happened to him? He wrote a few really good novels, followed by a bunch of crappy books. But he hasn't written any new novels in years. Did he quit?

/not counting all the "Tom Clancy, Inc." co-written bs.


He was well into middle age when he first made a Splash with Red October (he was an insurance salesman before that) he got fabulously rich (the Annapolis mansion he describes in Patriot Games is his actual real house). He went through two messy divorces, one with Naval Institute Press over the rights to Jack Ryan, the other with his first wife and then liscened a lot of his stuff to video games etc and then I think around 2000, he just...stopped. Could be he was to rich to write anymore, It could have been a case of "There's just two songs in me and I just wrote the third". There's even a rumor that the similarity between the 9/11 attacks and the end of "Debt of Honor" shook him enough that he didn't feel much like writing for a while
 
2012-01-25 01:04:05 PM

Giltric: xxmedium: Giltric:

Very rarely have we seen a president come out and wave his black ops credentials and accomplishments around.....presidents are usually modest about things like that....like they know its not their credit to take.


[lh3.ggpht.com image 325x385]

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 200x200]

You would expect there to be a certain amount of fanfaire around a war ending....but not eveytime a forward operator lazes a target.


Yeah, well, ya gotta take what you can get in an endless war.
 
2012-01-25 01:04:44 PM

Giltric: xxmedium: Giltric:

You would expect there to be a certain amount of fanfaire around a war ending....but not eveytime a forward operator lazes a target.


OK....what fan fanfaire was there, for what and who was the President you are talking about?

Hint: at the time of Bush's mission accomplished speech we had not ended the war or accomplished the mission.
 
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