like I'll trust that liberal rag, Salon.

slayer199: As opposed to how the left brainwashes its followers into believing outright falsehoods about government.

At this point, anyone that believes either party is concerned about The People is a fool. They're only interested in one thing...increasing the size and power of the Federal government at the expense of individual liberty.

I'll give you partial credit inasmuch as Dems are also in someone's pocket. But you lose the fed:liberty ratio argument. It's obvious that the GOP is the party that really wants to shove the federal government in your vagina, your vows, your bloodstream, and your schools. I'm no fan of modern Democrats (nowhere near liberal enough for me), but I'll give them partial credit for not brazenly attacking the lower and middle classes and entire segments of our diverse culture while waving a flag. Democrats provide a lot of cheap lip service, but they also fight for things like unemployment and other benefits that actually assist society when in need. They are also far more concerned with Individual Liberty^tm than your average Republican, the party who keeps tossing that phrase around as though it means something to them.

Yes, there are clear exceptions where Dems go off the rails and support bugfark crazy things like junk-touching and SOPA, but even after factoring for that they're still the party that even pretends to give a damn about actual liberty (not to be confused with Liberty^tm)

So stop with the "both sidez are teh bads" routine. Clearly, one of these groups is far, far more dangerous than the other. That Dems aren't perfect doesn't mean I won't support them in an attempt to combat what I feel is a clear and present danger to the people of the United States - the GOP.

Lionel Mandrake: It's a slow pendulum. Sometimes the left is nuttier, sometimes the right, then it swings back. Right now, so-called "conservatives" are unquestionably nuttier.

I wasn't alive for the 60s wingnuts, but a lot of what I've read about liberals from that era makes me headdesk. But yeah, for the past 10 years it's been the right spewing bullsh*t, and I don't see it stopping until the wheels fall off.

For one thing, it's profitable. I don't imagine Murdoch believing even half of the tripe his publications and airwaves spew forth. The guy is not exactly an idiot. Secondly - and I'm going to be flamed for this - the sort of rubes they're reaching are very susceptible to misinformation and emotive arguments in the first place. Before anyone replies angrily, ask yourself this: why has liberal-oriented media always trailed the likes of Hannity and Limbaugh? It's because we read real sources most of the time and aren't interested in listening to some junkyard dog working us into a froth. To put it bluntly, liberals trend toward intellectual appeals rather than anger.

Interestingly, the same people who levy the charge of "media brainwashing" against liberals are the same ones who love to gloat about how conservative media is so popular. Funny, that. If my AP and Reuters feeds are liberal brainwashing, whoa, I'm guilty as charged! Because I occasionally read Salon doesn't mean that I get my facts there. Conservatives seem content on getting their facts and opinions all in one walled garden of stupid, never daring to venture outside where the facts don't always confirm their presuppositions.

That's the big difference. I draw conclusions based on what is presented. Fox-types draw conclusions and then seek validation, which any number of outlets are only too happy to provide.

Ggpearl: dickfreckle

Every time I start to post something, you say it first, you say it eloquently, and so I can only say THIS

However, I must comment as to the whole mess of 2012

Dear GOP,
Allowing the fundies to take over your party you have become the very BEAST you spittle about. Before your derptastic takeover of words, your Rovian Derida blasting of political dialogs, I rejected the bible. I have since seen the light...you are in fact Legion. So fark you and the four horses you all rode in on.

STFU and DIAF

Hey! You had no EIP, so thanks for that awesome link you gave last week!

EnviroDude: NDAA. Signed by Obama the democrat.

We've already had this argument to the point of dead horse. You also missed where I specifically pointed out that Dems are not perfect in terms of personal liberty. I merely claim that they are by far the least sinister even after factoring the mistakes.

vernonFL: Another straw grasping attempted hit piece by the liberal media.

Salon is the very definition of the Left wing elitist know it all Hollywood limosine Ivory Tower lamestream homosexual Socialist Upper West Side ilberal media.

You had me at "Another straw grasping attempted hit piece by the liberal media." Then you just phoned it in. C'mon, man. You're better than this!

:P

From Social Security hysteria to "Obamacare" madness, right-wing propaganda is increasingly divorced from reality

They just don't want a divorce. They want child support for kids that aren't ours.

How the Right brainwashes its followers to believe outright falsehoods about the government

Repetition, repetition, repetition. Aided by a news media unwilling call bullshiat.

Was that the whole article? 2 paragraphs?

You want to know how to defuse any conservative argument? It's this:

"Just because a Democrat did something doesn't give the Republicans carte blanche to do it. All it means is that Republicans are immature children that don't deserve power."

Seriously, when did 'b-b-b-b they did it' become a reasonable excuse?

I think you just have to accept that a significant part of the population is mentally ill/mentally deficient.

They lie and the media never calls them out, the end.

How the Right brainwashes its followers to believe outright falsehoods about the government. A long, but interesting read A liberal columnist writes a long-winded and boring counterpoint to a shiatty article by a hack conservative


FTFY, subby.

Lando Lincoln: As opposed to how some people constantly blather on about how both sides are equally bad, when that is most certainly not the case.

THIS

Darth_Lukecash: "both sides are bad"

one side is shoplifting and the other side is doing armed robberies.

A representative government is basically a union for the people to protect them from moneyed interests. They are against it for the same reason they are against unions -- they are the moneyed interests.