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(New Haven Register)   Feds arrest four East Haven, Connecticut police officers for racial profiling in pre-dawn raid. Includes bonus video of the officers arresting a white reverend for filming them   (nhregister.com) divider line 76
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2012-01-24 10:54:19 AM  
I would like to propose legislation making it legal to drag into the street and shoot in the knees any individual who embeds a 60-second ad into their video clips. People who link to those video clips get one knee clipped. People who watch the entire ad, thereby encouraging future such behavior, get stern bamboo canings about the head and shoulders.
 
2012-01-24 11:09:09 AM  
Seconded.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-01-24 11:31:38 AM  
targeting Latinos for discriminatory traffic enforcement, treating Latino drivers more harshly than non-Latino drivers after a traffic stop

It's tough to prove intentional racial discrimination because there are other factors that look similar to direct discrimination when you calculate statistics. For example, if Latinos live in the bad part of town and are more likely to have suspended licenses they will be pulled over more often and be treated more harshly. Maybe precedent says if you say a bad word you're guilty of discrimination, the same way assault+insult=hate crime.
 
2012-01-24 11:59:06 AM  

ZAZ: For example, if Latinos live in the bad part of town and are more likely to have suspended licenses they will be pulled over more often and be treated more harshly.


So, it's reasonable to treat someone harsher based on where they live?
 
2012-01-24 12:03:22 PM  

ZAZ: It's tough to prove intentional racial discrimination because there are other factors that look similar to direct discrimination when you calculate statistics.


TFA mention that 50% of the people stopped by one particular cop were latinos, so he either worked in a very hispanic neighborhood, or he was not applying the law evenly...

In this instance, the DA probably has reasons to think it's the latter.
 
2012-01-24 12:05:49 PM  

Theaetetus: ZAZ: For example, if Latinos live in the bad part of town and are more likely to have suspended licenses they will be pulled over more often and be treated more harshly.

So, it's reasonable to treat someone harsher based on where they live?


Or because their license is suspended?
 
2012-01-24 12:11:02 PM  

Flab: Theaetetus: ZAZ: For example, if Latinos live in the bad part of town and are more likely to have suspended licenses they will be pulled over more often and be treated more harshly.

So, it's reasonable to treat someone harsher based on where they live?

Or because their license is suspended?


Or because they're Latino, so therefore you should arrest them just in case their license is suspended?

/and now you see how racial profiling works. Thanks, ZAZ!
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-01-24 12:17:27 PM  
So, it's reasonable to treat someone harsher based on where they live?

Yes. Putting cops near crime is better than having them run speed traps.
 
2012-01-24 12:20:40 PM  
Read the actual indictment. These guys deserved to get arrested.
 
2012-01-24 12:21:08 PM  

ZAZ: So, it's reasonable to treat someone harsher based on where they live?

Yes. Putting cops near crime is better than having them run speed traps.


So all people in a bad area are criminals who should be treated harshly?
 
2012-01-24 12:25:02 PM  

ZAZ: So, it's reasonable to treat someone harsher based on where they live?

Yes. Putting cops near crime is better than having them run speed traps.


Exceeding the speed limit is ALSO a crime, and is actually more dangerous than driving with an expired license.
 
2012-01-24 12:33:21 PM  

Flab: ZAZ: So, it's reasonable to treat someone harsher based on where they live?

Yes. Putting cops near crime is better than having them run speed traps.

Exceeding the speed limit is ALSO a crime, and is actually more dangerous than driving with an expired license.


Not so. Everyone knows that people who have had valid, legitimate licenses for years, like this fellow:
blogs.seattleweekly.com
... are better drivers than people who drive daily for work and have a very important reason to never get into an accident or get pulled over.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-01-24 12:39:38 PM  
Theaetetus: So all people in a bad area are criminals who should be treated harshly?

It is a reasonable exercise of police power to put more police in high crime areas. If that is "harsh", so be it.
 
2012-01-24 12:46:34 PM  

ZAZ: Theaetetus: So all people in a bad area are criminals who should be treated harshly?

It is a reasonable exercise of police power to put more police in high crime areas. If that is "harsh", so be it.


I feel like we're talking in different directions.

I'm talking about treating people harshly. Like the article talks about, harassment, assault, unreasonable searches, unlawful detention.
You keep jumping to "put more police in high crime areas," as if they're just sitting around watching the street.

Without imputing any ill motives to you, it seems like you're dodging the actual meaning of "treating people harshly" and instead treating it as if it means merely "having police presence" as a way to justify unconstitutional racial profiling.
 
2012-01-24 01:07:06 PM  
encrypted-tbn1.google.com

Unimpressed
 
2012-01-24 01:07:15 PM  
Oh 'Staven. You have always been a dump of a town. It has a good tapas restaurant though.
 
2012-01-24 01:12:25 PM  
I do agree that there should be a larger police presence in the more ghetto parts of towns, as traditionally, that's where most of the crimes will be committed, however, that does not excuse harassment, or brutality from the police.
 
2012-01-24 01:14:04 PM  
KKK Kops?

In my East Haven?

// It's more likely than you think
 
2012-01-24 01:14:47 PM  
Don't you love it when there's a nice, juicy scandal like this, and the reporter takes about a page and a half to get to the ACTUAL things they did wrong?
 
2012-01-24 01:17:16 PM  

Pocket Ninja: I would like to propose legislation making it legal to drag into the street and shoot in the knees any individual who embeds a 60-second ad into their video clips. People who link to those video clips get one knee clipped. People who watch the entire ad, thereby encouraging future such behavior, get stern bamboo canings about the head and shoulders.


so this explains the apathetic former adventurers who have dandruff free hair....
 
2012-01-24 01:17:33 PM  

ZAZ: targeting Latinos for discriminatory traffic enforcement, treating Latino drivers more harshly than non-Latino drivers after a traffic stop

It's tough to prove intentional racial discrimination because there are other factors that look similar to direct discrimination when you calculate statistics. For example, if Latinos live in the bad part of town and are more likely to have suspended licenses they will be pulled over more often and be treated more harshly. Maybe precedent says if you say a bad word you're guilty of discrimination, the same way assault+insult=hate crime.



You have no idea what the 4th amendment is. Police aren't paid to analyze statistics.
 
2012-01-24 01:17:59 PM  
I've been following the reverend's case for a while now. The cop who arrested him blatantly lied. He filed a police report saying that the reverend held an "unknown shiny object cupped in his hands" that made him feel unsafe. Yet when the video the reverend took was released, it shows the officer asking why he was videotaping, clearly demonstrating that he knew what it was. The police also tried to confiscate the surveillance tapes from the store after telling the owner that the cameras were illegal.

Fark these cops. It's cops like these that make people afraid and distrustful of them.

/future cop
//knows Constitutional law
///won't hide behind the blue line
 
2012-01-24 01:19:00 PM  
I wonder if these arrests would have happened if it wasn't an election year and the current administration wasn't pandering to the hispanic voting block?
 
2012-01-24 01:21:29 PM  

johncb76006: I wonder if these arrests would have happened if it wasn't an election year and the current administration wasn't pandering to the hispanic voting block?


LOL. Hush up with that nonsense.
 
2012-01-24 01:22:10 PM  
According to the indictment, these guys were using racial slurs in their communications between vehicles, along with a lot of other discriminatory behavior.

Hardly seems like a statistical anomaly based solely on the demographics of the area...
 
2012-01-24 01:23:53 PM  

Rapmaster2000: [encrypted-tbn1.google.com image 172x258]

Unimpressed


That was a good read, and I'm amazed Venkatesh made it out alive.
 
2012-01-24 01:25:51 PM  

Flab: TFA mention that 50% of the people stopped by one particular cop were latinos, so he either worked in a very hispanic neighborhood, or he was not applying the law evenly...


From what I've been told (and I have no way to know if it is true or not, but the information originates from a East Haven police officer), there's been a problem in the town of someone making fake Pennsylvania license plates and then selling them to undocumented aliens, so some officers basically look out for Pennsylvania plates, which invariably leads to a lot of undocumented aliens being stopped and/or arrested.
 
2012-01-24 01:28:45 PM  

Famous Thamas: Rapmaster2000: [encrypted-tbn1.google.com image 172x258]

Unimpressed

That was a good read, and I'm amazed Venkatesh made it out alive.


Meh, the ghetto isn't generally as dangerous as it's made out to be. Everyone you run into there tells you that someone will get you, but it's never them.
 
2012-01-24 01:31:57 PM  

Pocket Ninja: I would like to propose legislation making it legal to drag into the street and shoot in the knees any individual who embeds a 60-second ad into their video clips. People who link to those video clips get one knee clipped. People who watch the entire ad, thereby encouraging future such behavior, get stern bamboo canings about the head and shoulders.


What I can't stand, I've seen times where the video clip they are showing is only 14 seconds long but you have to watch a 30 to 45 second commercial before the clip.
 
2012-01-24 01:47:11 PM  

ArkAngel: /future cop
//knows Constitutional law
///won't hide behind the blue line


Good luck. I hope you aren't corrupted by your future training.
 
2012-01-24 01:48:16 PM  
Rereading TFA: Charges lodged against Spaulding include two counts of excessive force, three counts of false arrest, four counts of obstruction, six counts of false arrest and seven counts of obstruction,

How many?
 
2012-01-24 01:53:02 PM  
What, were they racist against Italians?

/DNRTFA
 
2012-01-24 01:53:26 PM  

johncb76006: I wonder if these arrests would have happened if it wasn't an election year and the current administration wasn't pandering to the hispanic voting block?


This case has been going on for some time so it is hard to say. Seattle, Arizona and East Haven all in a couple of months does raise eyebrows.

The plus side is as a result of the minister getting arrested Connecticut did get a law plainly stating that you can video the police.
 
2012-01-24 01:55:07 PM  

ArkAngel: He filed a police report saying that the reverend held an "unknown shiny object cupped in his hands" that made him feel unsafe


Ridiculous paranoid propaganda used to justify forceful prevention of a citizen exercising his rights. Happens all too often.

ArkAngel: /future cop
//knows Constitutional law
///won't hide behind the blue line


I'd like to believe you, but I'd bet that the blue-line peer pressure and union thug tactics will eventually break down even the most determined and principled recruits. Good luck.
 
2012-01-24 01:56:16 PM  
farking A read some of the comments, thought it was linked to a Free Republic article.
 
2012-01-24 01:59:19 PM  
I'd say the best part of this article is cops being held accountable for their illegal bullshiat.

/take it nationwide
//decriminalize drugs, you can keep the prison industry going by filling it with corrupt cops.
 
2012-01-24 01:59:46 PM  

orange storm: farking A read some of the comments, thought it was linked to a Free Republic article.


Oh yes. The comments on the register page are weapons grade derp.
 
2012-01-24 01:59:47 PM  

Theaetetus: ZAZ: For example, if Latinos live in the bad part of town and are more likely to have suspended licenses they will be pulled over more often and be treated more harshly.

So, it's reasonable to treat someone harsher based on where they live?


Statistically, yes.

Lower income zones have higher rate of criminal activity. More so, crimes committed in a low income area are more likely to be of a violent nature than in high income areas.
 
2012-01-24 02:02:08 PM  

ArkAngel: I've been following the reverend's case for a while now. The cop who arrested him blatantly lied. He filed a police report saying that the reverend held an "unknown shiny object cupped in his hands" that made him feel unsafe. Yet when the video the reverend took was released, it shows the officer asking why he was videotaping, clearly demonstrating that he knew what it was. The police also tried to confiscate the surveillance tapes from the store after telling the owner that the cameras were illegal.

Fark these cops. It's cops like these that make people afraid and distrustful of them.

/future cop
//knows Constitutional law
///won't hide behind the blue line


You go, Serpico
 
2012-01-24 02:04:46 PM  
I woke up see this on the news this morning, and quite loudly cheered, waking up my niece and the wrath of her father. I don't care, these scumbags deserved it. I hope they were roused from their 430am slumber with as much aggression as possible. I've been following this case for awhile now, and at every turn have been disgusted. Especially with the new mayor reinstating the chief, and the majority of the townsfolk apparently supporting that.

And for those arguing the "bad part of town" and "well obviously latinos commit more crime", the percentage of the population of E. Haven that is Latino? About 8%.

Your logic is the same disturbing, disgusting logic formally used on blacks.

/brought to you by the state where an officer, from another town, can race with his buddy at 90+mph, smash into a car with some kids in it, kill them, and still not rot in a prison cell.
 
2012-01-24 02:06:31 PM  

LemSkroob: Theaetetus: ZAZ: For example, if Latinos live in the bad part of town and are more likely to have suspended licenses they will be pulled over more often and be treated more harshly.

So, it's reasonable to treat someone harsher based on where they live?

Statistically, yes.

Lower income zones have higher rate of criminal activity. More so, crimes committed in a low income area are more likely to be of a violent nature than in high income areas.


... again, I don't know about you or ZAZ, but I'm talking about the phrase "treated more harshly". Not "should police patrol area X" but "should the police unconstitutionally detain, arrest, assault, or harass people in area X". If this was unclear to you, then I'd like to remedy that misunderstanding. If, on the other hand, you think that constitutional rights should be modified based on statistics, then I really don't know what to say.
 
2012-01-24 02:06:32 PM  

LemSkroob: Theaetetus: ZAZ: For example, if Latinos live in the bad part of town and are more likely to have suspended licenses they will be pulled over more often and be treated more harshly.

So, it's reasonable to treat someone harsher based on where they live?

Statistically, yes.

Lower income zones have higher rate of criminal activity. More so, crimes committed in a low income area are more likely to be of a violent nature than in high income areas.


It's ok for cops to beat an unarmed, cooperative suspect because he lives in a shady part of town, because statistics say his neighbor are, on average, more violent than in the Hamptons?
 
2012-01-24 02:09:04 PM  
Let's have one set of cops that are good and honest, they can take care of real citizens. Then we'll have another set of cops that are violent and corrupt, and they can be for dealing with illegals. There, now everyone is happy.

/and one really hot redheaded female cop for dealing with just me
 
2012-01-24 02:15:43 PM  

Javacrucian: Let's have one set of cops that are good and honest, they can take care of real citizens. Then we'll have another set of cops that are violent and corrupt, and they can be for dealing with illegals. There, now everyone is happy.

/and one really hot redheaded female cop for dealing with just me


Nope. Still not happy. Officers making routine stops have no way of immediatley knowing if someone is legally in the country or not. Therefore all police officers doing routine stops have to be good cops. This means that the bad cops will have have to become the ICE officers in charge of deportations. Changing all these people's jobs will cost too much, jsut in paperwork, not too mention severely overstaffing ICE, and understaffing city police depts. all over the country.
 
2012-01-24 02:17:03 PM  
Oh. i forgot...

2.bp.blogspot.com
What a hot redhead cop may look like.
 
2012-01-24 02:18:53 PM  

Flab: Oh. i forgot...

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 500x745]
What a hot redhead cop may look like.


Except that she was a stripper in a cop-stripper uniform in that episode.

// Would definitely pay for a lap dance.
 
2012-01-24 02:21:17 PM  
There's nothing wrong with racial profiling. Statistics don't lie.
 
2012-01-24 02:21:43 PM  
Wall off the bad parts of town.. seriously...Escape from New York had it right.

Jake Hoyt: That's street justice.
Alonzo Harris: What's wrong with street justice?
Jake Hoyt: Oh, what, so just let the animals wipe themselves out, right?
Alonzo Harris: God willing. fark 'em, and everybody that looks like 'em.
 
2012-01-24 02:28:05 PM  
I was just perusing the news tab on Google in the hopes of finding more stories involving pigs being held accountable for their criminal activities. But instead I stumbled upon a new article that gave me a sad. It seems that New Jersey is moving in the wrong direction on the whole cop thing-

http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/breaking-news/index.ssf/2012/01/nj_ma y _pick_up_burial_tab_for.html

Even though NJ cops kill hundreds of citizens every year, only about 5 NJ cops are killed by citizens each year (according to the article).

Instead of trying to balance the equation there is now a bill being circulated that would make the taxpayers pay the funeral expenses for these pigs. What the hell???
 
2012-01-24 02:39:01 PM  

gretzkyscores: ArkAngel: He filed a police report saying that the reverend held an "unknown shiny object cupped in his hands" that made him feel unsafe

Ridiculous paranoid propaganda used to justify forceful prevention of a citizen exercising his rights. Happens all too often.

ArkAngel: /future cop
//knows Constitutional law
///won't hide behind the blue line

I'd like to believe you, but I'd bet that the blue-line peer pressure and union thug tactics will eventually break down even the most determined and principled recruits. Good luck.


My personal ethics are one of the most important things in my life. I've turned away job offers because I wouldn't be able to respect myself for doing it. I will not crumble, nor will I let others influence me away from supporting freedom
 
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