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2012-01-24 10:45:19 AM  
I am constantly amused at the notion that Gingrich would kill Obama in debates. The idea that people believe that is just funny.
 
2012-01-24 10:58:35 AM  
I thought he was a master debater.

Or something like that.
 
2012-01-24 11:15:23 AM  
Well, you need a moderator point out the bullshiat that he manufactures to create an argument.
 
2012-01-24 11:15:53 AM  

Demetrius: I thought he was a master debater.

Or something like that.


He was, but for the last decade or so he's been allowing female staffers to take over the oratory. If you get my meaning.




Blowjobs.
 
2012-01-24 11:17:20 AM  
He does righteous indignation really well, though

/it plays good to the rubes
 
2012-01-24 11:17:31 AM  

DamnYankees: I am constantly amused at the notion that Gingrich would kill Obama in debates. The idea that people believe that is just funny.


He would really just shout down Obama so he couldn't speak. Then Newt would claim victory because Obama wouldn't respond to his Chris Matthews like questioning.
 
2012-01-24 11:25:50 AM  

ManateeGag: DamnYankees: I am constantly amused at the notion that Gingrich would kill Obama in debates. The idea that people believe that is just funny.

He would really just shout down Obama so he couldn't speak. Then Newt would claim victory because Obama wouldn't respond to his Chris Matthews like questioning.


Its a little known fact that Newt Gingrich has the "Apache Chief" superpower on cranial size.
 
2012-01-24 11:55:03 AM  
This is what Judson Phillips of Tea Party Nation had to say about the debate:

NBC News is running the Republican debate and it has to be one of the worst debates in history. The South Carolina debates were exciting and allowed the voters to get involved in the process. Brian Williams is doing his best to kill the energy of the debate. While the Republican debates have been great in helping Americans decide who they want to vote for and support, NBC has totally killed this one.

So they're butthurt about NBC actively trying to keep the debate about the issues and less like a football game? Okay then.
 
2012-01-24 12:06:36 PM  

Demetrius: I thought he was a master debater.

Or something like that.


A cunning linguist?
 
2012-01-24 12:06:59 PM  

make me some tea: This is what Judson Phillips of Tea Party Nation had to say about the debate:

NBC News is running the Republican debate and it has to be one of the worst debates in history. The South Carolina debates were exciting and allowed the voters to get involved in the process. Brian Williams is doing his best to kill the energy of the debate. While the Republican debates have been great in helping Americans decide who they want to vote for and support, NBC has totally killed this one.

So they're butthurt about NBC actively trying to keep the debate about the issues and less like a football game? Okay then.


i.imgur.com
 
2012-01-24 12:30:29 PM  
He isn't really.

He's good at self righteous bluster, but when it comes to sticking to the facts or not acting like a petulant child when he doesn't get his way, he is lacking.
 
2012-01-24 12:49:06 PM  
He's a master debater, subby. And he likes it most when everyone is watching.
 
2012-01-24 12:49:10 PM  
Supposedly he will make Obama's head implode, that's how good a debater he is.
 
2012-01-24 12:50:56 PM  
What a Obama-Gingrich presidential race may look like:

home.mchsi.com
 
2012-01-24 12:52:21 PM  
Could be the word debate is being used here in a flawed fashion. The shows I see called debates really seem to be lacking. It is more of a moderator hands the candidate a jumping off platform then the candidate can then boast about his accomplishments and or bash opponents but there has been little to no challenges to some of the bullshiat they have stated. I feel a strong back and forth is needed to call them debates.
 
2012-01-24 12:52:55 PM  

make me some tea: This is what Judson Phillips of Tea Party Nation had to say about the debate:

NBC News is running the Republican debate and it has to be one of the worst debates in history. The South Carolina debates were exciting and allowed the voters to get involved in the process. Brian Williams is doing his best to kill the energy of the debate. While the Republican debates have been great in helping Americans decide who they want to vote for and support, NBC has totally killed this one.

So they're butthurt about NBC actively trying to keep the debate about the issues and less like a football game? Okay then.


If you keep it about the issues, Republicans start to realize their candidates, like their entire party, are a group of greedy, corrupt, fearmongering bigots. That kind of self realization hurts. Of course they want to keep it about ridiculous rhetoric, attacking outsiders, and pandering.
 
2012-01-24 12:54:05 PM  

monoski: Could be the word debate is being used here in a flawed fashion. The shows I see called debates really seem to be lacking. It is more of a moderator hands the candidate a jumping off platform then the candidate can then boast about his accomplishments and or bash opponents but there has been little to no challenges to some of the bullshiat they have stated. I feel a strong back and forth is needed to call them debates.


George Steponopolis tried to debate some constitutional philosophy with Mitt but got booed for it .
 
2012-01-24 12:55:24 PM  
Duh....
 
2012-01-24 12:58:23 PM  
If the audience can't cheer and jeer, how are we to know whether or not the line is a big winner or not? You mean we have to fact check? Nope, not going to happen.
 
2012-01-24 12:58:25 PM  

monoski: Could be the word debate is being used here in a flawed fashion. The shows I see called debates really seem to be lacking. It is more of a moderator hands the candidate a jumping off platform then the candidate can then boast about his accomplishments and or bash opponents but there has been little to no challenges to some of the bullshiat they have stated. I feel a strong back and forth is needed to call them debates.


Are you suggesting CNN opening the debate with John King's question asking Newt Gingrich "Would you care to comment on that?" was a softball non challenging bullshiat question?!?!

/seriously, how did King not get fired immediately after that debate?
 
2012-01-24 12:59:12 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: He does righteous hypocritical indignation really well, though

/it plays good to the rubes


ftfy
 
2012-01-24 12:59:26 PM  
He is excellent at debates, if you just ignore what debates are actually supposed to be and instead focus on the emotive, non-rational messaging and tonality of his discourse.

He is appealing to people who don't really know what he's saying, and who probably don't care what he's saying. But they sense that he must be on their side because of the angry, outraged feelings that he seems to be sharing with them. And as long as he can sprinkle the words "god" and "constitution" and "proud American" and other well-researched buzzwords on top of the other noises he is making, his supporters (and like-minded individuals) will nod violently in agreement and declare him the clear winner.
 
2012-01-24 01:01:57 PM  
Ssshhhh! Don't spoil it for the tard-league red-staters. I want Gingrich to win so we can all watch him "wreck" Obama in debate.
 
2012-01-24 01:04:09 PM  

monoski: Could be the word debate is being used here in a flawed fashion. The shows I see called debates really seem to be lacking. It is more of a moderator hands the candidate a jumping off platform then the candidate can then boast about his accomplishments and or bash opponents but there has been little to no challenges to some of the bullshiat they have stated. I feel a strong back and forth is needed to call them debates.


Parallel press conferences.
 
2012-01-24 01:04:55 PM  

Mr_Fabulous: He is appealing to people who don't really know what he's saying, and who probably don't care what he's saying. But they sense that he must be on their side because of the angry, outraged feelings that he seems to be sharing with them.


The best description of Gingrich I heard was "'A Stupid Man's Idea Of What A Smart Person Sounds Like". He tells his complete fabrications with big words and such conviction.
 
2012-01-24 01:06:05 PM  
He's just hateful. Full of hate. And he needs a target to aim that hate at. He doesn't want facts, he wants emotions. He wants a mob, and he wants to whip them into a frenzy.

That's not leadership. That's manipulation.
 
2012-01-24 01:06:34 PM  
DamnYankees
I am constantly amused at the notion that Gingrich would kill Obama in debates. The idea that people believe that is just funny.


Actually, he probably would - obama is a lousy debater.

Demetrius
I thought he was a master debater.

Or something like that.


Check his wrists and forearms. If he's Popeye on one side, you've got your answer.
 
2012-01-24 01:06:39 PM  

Shaggy_C: Mr_Fabulous: He is appealing to people who don't really know what he's saying, and who probably don't care what he's saying. But they sense that he must be on their side because of the angry, outraged feelings that he seems to be sharing with them.

The best description of Gingrich I heard was "'A Stupid Man's Idea Of What A Smart Person Sounds Like". He tells his complete fabrications with big words and such conviction.


He's shifting the paradigm of debate in a profound and very fundamental way.
 
2012-01-24 01:06:47 PM  
3.bp.blogspot.com

/hot
 
2012-01-24 01:06:54 PM  

Shaggy_C: Mr_Fabulous: He is appealing to people who don't really know what he's saying, and who probably don't care what he's saying. But they sense that he must be on their side because of the angry, outraged feelings that he seems to be sharing with them.

The best description of Gingrich I heard was "'A Stupid Man's Idea Of What A Smart Person Sounds Like". He tells his complete fabrications with big words and such conviction.


So Newt's a compulsive liar?
 
2012-01-24 01:07:03 PM  
Actually, Newt is an excellent debater. He wasn't at the top of his game last night. But even the best have their off days.
 
2012-01-24 01:07:24 PM  
It's almost like he was completely unprepared for a Mitt on offense. He kept his composure for a while, but Mitt just kept body slamming him.

RESIGNED IN DISGRACE
RESIGNED IN DISGRACE
RESIGNED IN DISGRACE

I never once hear Gingrich refute the characterization.
 
2012-01-24 01:08:33 PM  

moops: What a Obama-Gingrich presidential race may look like:

[home.mchsi.com image 506x313]


moops: What a Obama-Gingrich presidential race may look like:

[home.mchsi.com image 506x313]

HA! He loses his home state?
 
2012-01-24 01:09:16 PM  
Debates in an election are only about appearances. If you're wrong but looked good being wrong, you still won the debate. Gingrich can be denigrating and smug which would help him look like he's winning. Core conservative voters really respond to that style. However I don't think he can handle being called on his BS and people who aren't moved by his tactics will probably end up hating him more. So no, he isn't a good debator but that doesn't really matter. You can't write him off but he definitely won't crush Obama or any halfway decent debator in front of an audience that doesn't already love him.
 
2012-01-24 01:09:31 PM  
Newt is indignant and outraged at your attempts to suggest he's not the greatest debater this country has ever seen since Abraham Lincoln, and it's further proof how out of step the mainstream media is with the common people.

How dare you *patronizingly pointing finger*
 
2012-01-24 01:09:53 PM  
I've been saying this for months. Newt is a facade, he's not really good at debating or much else. Compared to the other idiots, he may be. Also, debating the farking moderators just makes him look like a elitist tool to the 75% of American that matters.

/Newt is a Fat Load
 
2012-01-24 01:10:45 PM  

PanicMan: He's just hateful. Full of hate. And he needs a target to aim that hate at. He doesn't want facts, he wants emotions. He wants a mob, and he wants to whip them into a frenzy.

That's not leadership. That's manipulation.


You know who else fed off the emotions of the populace by spoon feeding them a target on which to aim their hate?
 
2012-01-24 01:10:59 PM  

A Screaming Man with Two-Toned Shoes: It's almost like he was completely unprepared for a Mitt on offense. He kept his composure for a while, but Mitt just kept body slamming him.

RESIGNED IN DISGRACE
RESIGNED IN DISGRACE
RESIGNED IN DISGRACE

I never once hear Gingrich refute the characterization.


It would be pretty difficult, since Newt resigned in disgrace.
 
2012-01-24 01:11:12 PM  

LegacyDL: Shaggy_C: Mr_Fabulous: He is appealing to people who don't really know what he's saying, and who probably don't care what he's saying. But they sense that he must be on their side because of the angry, outraged feelings that he seems to be sharing with them.

The best description of Gingrich I heard was "'A Stupid Man's Idea Of What A Smart Person Sounds Like". He tells his complete fabrications with big words and such conviction.

So Newt's a compulsive liar?


Is the Pope catholic?
 
2012-01-24 01:14:28 PM  

Aar1012: LegacyDL: Shaggy_C: Mr_Fabulous: He is appealing to people who don't really know what he's saying, and who probably don't care what he's saying. But they sense that he must be on their side because of the angry, outraged feelings that he seems to be sharing with them.

The best description of Gingrich I heard was "'A Stupid Man's Idea Of What A Smart Person Sounds Like". He tells his complete fabrications with big words and such conviction.

So Newt's a compulsive liar?

Is the Pope catholic?


Is the Space Pope reptilian?
 
2012-01-24 01:15:40 PM  

Mr_Fabulous: He is excellent at debates, if you just ignore what debates are actually supposed to be and instead focus on the emotive, non-rational messaging and tonality of his discourse.


Debates have never been about rational discourse, and have always been about emotive, non-rational messaging and tonality. Same with elections. Newt understands that, which is why he was able to engineer the 1994 Republican revolution. Since voter anger is so palpable this year, much like it was in 1994, this is the perfect year for Newt to run. If Newt knows anything, it's how to harness voter anger, and turn it against Democrats.

Romney will never connect with the conservative base. We know that because after four years of campaigning, and tens of millions of dollars spent, he still hasn't. Evangelicals won't turn out to vote for a Mormon, and movement conservatives won't turn out to vote for a Massachusetts moderate. And why should they? He's not one of them, and they know it. He will compromise with Democrats, advance a centrist agenda, and appoint moderate Supreme Court Justices in the mold of David Souter and Sandra Day O'Connor.

Gingrich will energize the conservative base. We know that because he already has energized them. Independents and moderates don't much like Gingrich now. But if he wins the nomination, he'll have several months and the backing of a major political party to remake his image with them. The establishment have it exactly backwards: Gingrich, not Romney, is the most dangerous Republican candidate this year.
 
2012-01-24 01:16:08 PM  

A Screaming Man with Two-Toned Shoes: It's almost like he was completely unprepared for a Mitt on offense. He kept his composure for a while, but Mitt just kept body slamming him.

RESIGNED IN DISGRACE
RESIGNED IN DISGRACE
RESIGNED IN DISGRACE

I never once hear Gingrich refute the characterization.


Because he can't. Romney was basically daring Newt to respond.

He did resign in disgrace, and if Gingrich had been stupid enough to take that bait, Romney would have come back and absolutely crushed him with the mountain of irrefutable facts surrounding his resignation. And Newt knew that.
 
2012-01-24 01:16:34 PM  

RevLovejoy: PanicMan: He's just hateful. Full of hate. And he needs a target to aim that hate at. He doesn't want facts, he wants emotions. He wants a mob, and he wants to whip them into a frenzy.

That's not leadership. That's manipulation.

You know who else fed off the emotions of the populace by spoon feeding them a target on which to aim their hate?


Senator Palpatine.
 
2012-01-24 01:19:18 PM  
Newt won SC because A. he ain't mormon, and B. he's southern. For SC GOP primary voters that's a sealed deal. Santorum's a yankee and Paul's a nothing. Florida will be different. BTW they all suck.
 
2012-01-24 01:19:25 PM  

qorkfiend: Aar1012: LegacyDL: Shaggy_C: Mr_Fabulous: He is appealing to people who don't really know what he's saying, and who probably don't care what he's saying. But they sense that he must be on their side because of the angry, outraged feelings that he seems to be sharing with them.

The best description of Gingrich I heard was "'A Stupid Man's Idea Of What A Smart Person Sounds Like". He tells his complete fabrications with big words and such conviction.

So Newt's a compulsive liar?

Is the Pope catholic?

Is the Space Pope reptilian?


Do the excretory practices of the family Ursidae typically occur in a woodland ecosystem?
 
2012-01-24 01:21:21 PM  
without a lunatic crowd cheering him he blew his dog whistle far less. Gingrich needs constant validation.

/big fat hot house flower
 
2012-01-24 01:21:25 PM  

lennavan: monoski: Could be the word debate is being used here in a flawed fashion. The shows I see called debates really seem to be lacking. It is more of a moderator hands the candidate a jumping off platform then the candidate can then boast about his accomplishments and or bash opponents but there has been little to no challenges to some of the bullshiat they have stated. I feel a strong back and forth is needed to call them debates.

Are you suggesting CNN opening the debate with John King's question asking Newt Gingrich "Would you care to comment on that?" was a softball non challenging bullshiat question?!?!

/seriously, how did King not get fired immediately after that debate?


He should've gotten fired for not following up by pointing out the hypocrisy of Newt's position that personal lives don't matter given his attempt at removing Clinton for a blowjob while Newt himself was cheating on his wife.
 
2012-01-24 01:21:38 PM  
Right now, Newtie is whining about the last debate, where the audience was asked to be civil. Newt is powerless in a civilized environment. It's his Kryptonite.

He wants to be the head clown in a circus full of yowling bloodthirsty chimps.
 
2012-01-24 01:24:35 PM  
I think John Lithgow should debate for Gingrich, just like he read that press release for him that one time.
 
2012-01-24 01:24:56 PM  
Newt Threatens to Skip Debates If Crowd Can't Cheer (new window)

Not an Onion link, I swear.
 
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