Iran knew, Tyler flew.

Title reminded me of the opening to the Longest Day where the Germans in the gun site look out the window.

Party Boy: Also,
China gets cheaper Iran oil as U.S. pays for Hormuz patrols

I really wish we would stop bending over for the entire world. Let the friggen chinese patrol the strait; it's their oil coming through. Oh wait, they can't, because they have no navy. Why would you need one, when the US will do all the policing at no cost?

Party Boy: wrong link

http://business.financialpost.com/2012/01/12/china-gets-cheaper-iran -o il-as-u-s-pays-for-hormuz-patrols/?__lsa=e98a7da0

Yea, but that just means that Iran is making less money off of the oil they can sell, and Saudi Arabia can pinch them even further.

Stupid muslims.

There are No Carriers in the Straits of Hormuz

abhorrent1: Stupid muslims.

Redundant

Obviously Israel right Amos?

/He will come

What we need is a good old American Navy fashioned way of responding to this crap....

And yes, you are seeing correctly. The kinetic energy from all the main artillery guns firing on deck at the same time actually pushes the Battleship sideways several feet


/Newtons laws, don't fark with them

chopit: Party Boy: Also,
China gets cheaper Iran oil as U.S. pays for Hormuz patrols

I really wish we would stop bending over for the entire world. Let the friggen chinese patrol the strait; it's their oil coming through. Oh wait, they can't, because they have no navy. Why would you need one, when the US will do all the policing at no cost?

But do we want China to have a navy? Being able to rule the oceans around the world means having to do biatch work sometimes.

Freezebyte: What we need is a good old American Navy fashioned way of responding to this crap....

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Gunboat diplomacy--it works.

Freezebyte: What we need is a good old American Navy fashioned way of responding to this crap....

YEE-HAW!! MORE WAR!!!!

ever wonder what an Iranian Nuclear Scientists looked like???



oops, just missed him.

/and who knew they liked Muscle Cars?

Freezebyte: And yes, you are seeing correctly. The kinetic energy from all the main artillery guns firing on deck at the same time actually pushes the Battleship sideways several feet


/Newtons laws, don't fark with them

was wondering about that - that is some shiat right there.
how often do they let off all guns at once?? is it just for show? can they all be accurate if fired all at once?

just curious & like pictures of asplosions

So... when are they going to block the strait? WHEN?

bugmn99: Freezebyte: What we need is a good old American Navy fashioned way of responding to this crap....

YEE-HAW!! MORE WAR!!!!

You know, if we started to fight wars they way we used to in WWII, you know, bomb and kill everything in sight and worry about winning over the population's support once you utterly crushed their nation into dust. Then we would probablly have fewer wars. Just sayin...

inner ted: Freezebyte: And yes, you are seeing correctly. The kinetic energy from all the main artillery guns firing on deck at the same time actually pushes the Battleship sideways several feet


/Newtons laws, don't fark with them

was wondering about that - that is some shiat right there.
how often do they let off all guns at once?? is it just for show? can they all be accurate if fired all at once?

just curious & like pictures of asplosions

It was one of the final "show" demonstrations of the Ohio class battleships before they were fully retired several years ago. A real shame, they are such beautiful ships, and if you a saw a fleet of those farkers coming at you in the ocean, I bet you would think twice of farking with that country again. Looks HELLUVA alot more impressive then a dwinky stealth ship zipping around on the ocean.

From farking awesome



To, meh.....



/WW2 sea warfare while tragic, was the last "beautiful" warfare of mankind

We need to stop being foolish and take this seriously. Iran is backed by some very big names like Russia and China to name just two. Besides the fact that Iran does not have a history of losing wars

If we think our technology as poorer nations comes close, we have a lot to learn, unfortunate painfully.

No one seems to question how Iran could land the uS' top secret, state of the art drone fighter without damaging it. It's been revealed they hacked it, and guided it down. This is a seriously phenominal achievement. We can joke that Iran photoshops pictures, but that if any of us pulled that off, we'd be set for life in the best paying government job.

I don't support Iran, but I don't support any of the countries involved like the US either. Good people don't get involved in these things, it's criminal business enterprisers that make huge cash on the killing machines.. I think we must not be fools and be light hearted about something so serious as being dragged into a war with real giants. Frankly, I see the start of WWIII

IOWA classed battleships, scuze me.

Let the Joes sort it out

Freezebyte: And yes, you are seeing correctly. The kinetic energy from all the main artillery guns firing on deck at the same time actually pushes the Battleship sideways several feet


/Newtons laws, don't fark with them

OK, some quick physics.

According to Wikipedia, the USS Iowa was firing 9 x 16" guns with 1200kg shells at a muzzle velocity of 762 m/s and 6 x 5" guns with 25 kg shells at 790 m/s.

This means the total momentum for the shells is 8348100 kg m/s
The total mass of the Iowa is about 45720000 kg.
Newton's laws mean that the sideways motion of the Iowa (without water resistance) is 18 cm/s.
When you factor in the fact that the motion is perpendicular to the ship, the water resistance probably reduces that to practically nothing.

So there's some other explanation for the perpendicular wakes. Probably the local water current.

/Really hoping I got my numbers right.

How about just throwing enough weight around to build a canal that bypasses that strait? Then use that against China and Iran.

Freezebyte: It was one of the final "show" demonstrations of the Ohio class battleships

Did you ride on Ohio class battleships back in your Core days?

I corrected myself, its IOWA class. Forgive me Zuur

To further correct, yes, OHIO is a class of nuclear ballistic missile submarine of our Navy fleet.

One ohio sub steel hull with 20x ballistic missiles = more firepower then has been ever released in all of history of mankind or 1000 hiroshimas. By approx early 90's missile payload of the fleet at the time, could even be more now with "upgrades"

veryequiped: We need to stop being foolish and take this seriously. Iran is backed by some very big names like Russia and China to name just two. Besides the fact that Iran does not have a history of losing wars

Nor do they have a history of picking fights wherein they are numerically, technologically, or strategically at a disadvantage. And Russia and China have a lot to gain by keeping them peaceful and drinking all of the oil that Europe and the US have declared unwelcome. And we have a lot to gain from trading with those countries when their energy becomes that much cheaper.

If we think our technology as poorer nations comes close, we have a lot to learn, unfortunate painfully.

We are making great strides in fighting assymetric warfare, which has been our trouble in Iraq and Afghanistan. You cannot blockade a water passageway assymetrically. You have to expose yourself to identification long before you get into firing range. Two B-52s carrying GBU-54's can buddy laze and sink or render inoperative the entire Iranian Navy from 40,000 feet. The sailors would never know what hit them. Those planes could take off from Bahrain or the other base in South East Asia we don't officially own. The locals wouldn't care since the Iranians are the "other" form of Islam and thus, tainted worthless vermin who are untrue to the prophet.

The carrier groups are basically there to pick up POWs- ... err.., I mean survivors.

TheSopwithTurtle: When you factor in the fact that the motion is perpendicular to the ship, the water resistance probably reduces that to practically nothing.

Practically no lateral shift, but I'd bet there is some roll around the axial center of gravity. Simply put I bet it rocked the boat, and I can't imagine that firing all guns at once does wonders for accuracy.

Problem with battleships is that they're too sinkable. The Japanese had three of the biggest battleships ever put in the water, and had to keep them in port most of the time.

Well... you all seem to think that the Iranians are going to fight US Navy ships. Why would they want to do that? Navy ships are armed and have close-in defense systems. The target of choice will be totally unarmed civilian oil tankers. These things can be over a thousand feet long and have no armor whatsoever.

And remember, you only have to hit one of them for the civilian captains to say fark you - I'm not moving this ship anywhere near those idiots. Insurance agencies won't cover war damage either. For that matter, you don't even have to hit the tanker. Just come close and broadcast a demand that they turn back. No sane captain will risk it nor will the owning companies let them.

TheSopwithTurtle: Freezebyte: And yes, you are seeing correctly. The kinetic energy from all the main artillery guns firing on deck at the same time actually pushes the Battleship sideways several feet


/Newtons laws, don't fark with them

OK, some quick physics.

According to Wikipedia, the USS Iowa was firing 9 x 16" guns with 1200kg shells at a muzzle velocity of 762 m/s and 6 x 5" guns with 25 kg shells at 790 m/s.

This means the total momentum for the shells is 8348100 kg m/s
The total mass of the Iowa is about 45720000 kg.
Newton's laws mean that the sideways motion of the Iowa (without water resistance) is 18 cm/s.
When you factor in the fact that the motion is perpendicular to the ship, the water resistance probably reduces that to practically nothing.

So there's some other explanation for the perpendicular wakes. Probably the local water current.

/Really hoping I got my numbers right.

Might just be the muzzle blast beating the water to a froth

clovis69: Title reminded me of the opening to the Longest Day where the Germans in the gun site look out the window.

Very visual statement, similar to the movie that states "ALL OF THEM" referencing cops

TheSopwithTurtle: Freezebyte: And yes, you are seeing correctly. The kinetic energy from all the main artillery guns firing on deck at the same time actually pushes the Battleship sideways several feet


/Newtons laws, don't fark with them

OK, some quick physics.

According to Wikipedia, the USS Iowa was firing 9 x 16" guns with 1200kg shells at a muzzle velocity of 762 m/s and 6 x 5" guns with 25 kg shells at 790 m/s.

This means the total momentum for the shells is 8348100 kg m/s
The total mass of the Iowa is about 45720000 kg.
Newton's laws mean that the sideways motion of the Iowa (without water resistance) is 18 cm/s.
When you factor in the fact that the motion is perpendicular to the ship, the water resistance probably reduces that to practically nothing.

So there's some other explanation for the perpendicular wakes. Probably the local water current.

/Really hoping I got my numbers right.

Lunch time laugh, thanks

Deck the halls with Heshmatollah... Falahatpisheh la la la la.

rolladuck: "You cannot blockade a water passageway assymetrically. "

Blockade, no. But you can probably dig up enough extremists, explosives and dinghy's to cause a similar-scale economic snarl.
Not to mention the mining.

Reflecting the uncertainties, the Iranian rial fell Monday to a new low of nearly 21,000 to the dollar, a 14 percent drop since Friday, currency dealers said. A year ago, the rial was trading at 10,500 to the dollar.

Wow. That's pretty damned significant.