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(HitFix)   Complete list of the nominations for the 84th Academy Awards nominations. Lowlight: No Michael Fassbender. Lower note: Sarah Palin got a nomination. Seriously   (hitfix.com) divider line 269
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2012-01-24 08:02:37 PM  

rynthetyn: DamnYankees: rynthetyn: I wanted to head-desk over the number of message board comments I saw asking variations of, "why was Peter crying over kicking his roommate out?"

I have to admit that was a very abrupt scene, seemingly coming out of nowhere. I thought the Mark Strong stuff was a little more evocative while treading similar territory.

But at least you figured out what was happening. An awful lot of people didn't have the slightest clue that it was a breakup scene, and didn't get it even after it was spelled out for them that Smiley told Peter that if he had anything in his personal life that could put him under scrutiny he needed to take care of it, and that the next scene is showing Peter doing just that.

And even fewer people seemed to have picked up on the fact that Hayden's betrayal of Prideaux was personal as well as professional because they'd had some sort of thing in the past. Picking up on that puts you in the minority of viewers.


I don't know how people could fail to see those things, especially the Prideaxu-Hayden stuff. I mean, Prideaux cried when he did...that thing. Why else would he do that?
 
2012-01-24 08:12:29 PM  

theknuckler_33: Sarah Palin got a nomination

I don't think that's right. Maybe I'm splkitting hairs, but I don't see her name listed. I think those guys were the producers. She got a 'writer' credit on that movie because it was based on 'her' book. Even if it were to win (which won't happen)_, I don't think Palin will have the trophy.

Besides, "Paradise Lost 3: Purgatory" was really good. I didn't see the other nominees, but The Undefeated should lose (be defeated by, lol!) to that one at least.


If you do a quick check, you'll see that "Undefeated" was not "The Undefeated." The movie that was nominated had nothing to do with Sarah Palin.

Like you, I was also surprised Paradise Lost 3 didn't get nominated. This was a series of films that literally saved someone's life. Of course, I guess it's not surprising since the first one didn't get nominated either, and that was one of the best documentaries ever made.
 
2012-01-24 08:22:26 PM  
By the way, why is the Academy fawning over Bridesmaids? I watched it a few weeks ago, and while parts of it were funny, it wasn't the comedy masterpiece everyone made it out to be. Really, it just came off like a hybrid of Sex and The City and The Hangover.
 
2012-01-24 09:48:29 PM  

stoli n coke: Like you, I was also surprised Paradise Lost 3 didn't get nominated. This was a series of films that literally saved someone's life. Of course, I guess it's not surprising since the first one didn't get nominated either, and that was one of the best documentaries ever made.


Documentary (Feature)

• "Hell and Back Again" Danfung Dennis and Mike Lerner
• "If a Tree Falls: A Story of the Earth Liberation Front" Marshall Curry and Sam Cullman
• "Paradise Lost 3: Purgatory" Charles Ferguson and Audrey Marrs
• "Pina" Wim Wenders and Gian-Piero Ringel
• "Undefeated" TJ Martin, Dan Lindsay and Richard Middlemas
 
2012-01-24 10:05:02 PM  

DamnYankees: rynthetyn: DamnYankees: rynthetyn: I wanted to head-desk over the number of message board comments I saw asking variations of, "why was Peter crying over kicking his roommate out?"

I have to admit that was a very abrupt scene, seemingly coming out of nowhere. I thought the Mark Strong stuff was a little more evocative while treading similar territory.

But at least you figured out what was happening. An awful lot of people didn't have the slightest clue that it was a breakup scene, and didn't get it even after it was spelled out for them that Smiley told Peter that if he had anything in his personal life that could put him under scrutiny he needed to take care of it, and that the next scene is showing Peter doing just that.

And even fewer people seemed to have picked up on the fact that Hayden's betrayal of Prideaux was personal as well as professional because they'd had some sort of thing in the past. Picking up on that puts you in the minority of viewers.

I don't know how people could fail to see those things, especially the Prideaxu-Hayden stuff. I mean, Prideaux cried when he did...that thing. Why else would he do that?


Apparently American moviegoers just don't get it unless every single thing is spelled out for them in very small words. I guess this is also why gay characters always get introduced in movies and TV shows with the fact that they're gay being front and center, and then repeated multiple times throughout the movie--otherwise half the audience would miss it.

One of the reasons I liked Tinker so much was because it's one of the rare movies where I don't have the entire movie figured out in the first 20 minutes. Most of the time movies, even "artsy" ones, are so busy telegraphing the plot to the audience so they'll understand what's going on that I can tell what's coming from early on. It was nice to be able to sit back, relax, and watch the story unfold without knowing exactly where it's headed.
 
2012-01-24 10:36:18 PM  

rynthetyn: DamnYankees: rynthetyn: Prideaux-Haydon gay subtext.


This is somewhat a mystery to me, because why would you jump at that assumption?
Firstly, none of them were gay in the book. In the case of Guillam it worked very well for the film.
And with Haydon-Prideaux it was merely a long and outstanding friendship, kinda like cop partners. Maybe because the scene with Guillam was so explicit, people just made that connection, but traitorous agent unwilling to kill partner is one of the oldest tropes ever.

/Don't get me wrong, the movie is a masterpiece
 
2012-01-25 12:04:18 AM  

farkeruk: The worst film I've seen that won is Shakespeare in Love


Never seen How Green Was My Valley, have you?

/won 5 Oscars
 
2012-01-25 12:09:27 AM  

robsul82: stoli n coke: Like you, I was also surprised Paradise Lost 3 didn't get nominated. This was a series of films that literally saved someone's life. Of course, I guess it's not surprising since the first one didn't get nominated either, and that was one of the best documentaries ever made.

Documentary (Feature)

• "Hell and Back Again" Danfung Dennis and Mike Lerner
• "If a Tree Falls: A Story of the Earth Liberation Front" Marshall Curry and Sam Cullman
• "Paradise Lost 3: Purgatory" Charles Ferguson and Audrey Marrs
• "Pina" Wim Wenders and Gian-Piero Ringel
• "Undefeated" TJ Martin, Dan Lindsay and Richard Middlemas


Must have scanned over it. Cool. After 18 years, Berlinger and Sinofsky deserve some recognition.
 
2012-01-25 12:48:50 AM  

nameofperson: rynthetyn: DamnYankees: rynthetyn: Prideaux-Haydon gay subtext.

This is somewhat a mystery to me, because why would you jump at that assumption?
Firstly, none of them were gay in the book. In the case of Guillam it worked very well for the film.
And with Haydon-Prideaux it was merely a long and outstanding friendship, kinda like cop partners. Maybe because the scene with Guillam was so explicit, people just made that connection, but traitorous agent unwilling to kill partner is one of the oldest tropes ever.

/Don't get me wrong, the movie is a masterpiece


I still haven't read the books because I've got too many other things to read, but everything I've read indicated that it *was* fairly clearly indicated in the books as well that at least at university they'd had some sort of relationship that was not merely platonic.

In any case, as far as the movie goes, even if you write off everything else as buddy-cop dynamic, the Christmas party flashback and the glances they exchange telegraphs pretty heavily that there's more history between the two of them than simply friendship. Also, that Haydon left an envelope for a "girl" (in a tone that implied it was someone he'd been seeing) and also for a "boy" (in the same tone as with the other envelope) is about as strong an indicator as you're going to get, without the character making an announcement, that he's bisexual.
 
2012-01-25 01:15:07 AM  

rynthetyn: nameofperson: rynthetyn: DamnYankees: rynthetyn: Prideaux-Haydon gay subtext.

/Don't get me wrong, the movie is a masterpiece

I still haven't read the books because I've got too many other things to read, but everything I've read indicated that it *was* fairly clearly indicated in the books as well that at least at university they'd had some sort of relationship that was not merely platonic.

In any case, as far as the movie goes, even if you write off everything else as buddy-cop dynamic, the Christmas party flashback and the glances they exchange telegraphs pretty heavily that there's more history between the two of them than simply friendship. Also, that Haydon left an envelope for a "girl" (in a tone that implied it was someone he'd been seeing) and also for a "boy" (in the same tone as with the other envelope) is about as strong an indicator as you're going to get, without the character making an announcement, that he's bisexual.


In trying to remember, I actually went for the book and looked, and it's only 2 sentences, but Haydon refers to a "sailor friend" of his, and asks for Smiley to pay him off. His current girl also mentions him when confronted by Smiley, suggesting maybe he had run away with him.

Anyway, I stand corrected, guess that's just a testament to how complex and deep the book is. I believe a re-reading is in my future.
 
2012-01-25 01:39:57 AM  

nameofperson: rynthetyn: nameofperson: rynthetyn: DamnYankees: rynthetyn: Prideaux-Haydon gay subtext.

/Don't get me wrong, the movie is a masterpiece

I still haven't read the books because I've got too many other things to read, but everything I've read indicated that it *was* fairly clearly indicated in the books as well that at least at university they'd had some sort of relationship that was not merely platonic.

In any case, as far as the movie goes, even if you write off everything else as buddy-cop dynamic, the Christmas party flashback and the glances they exchange telegraphs pretty heavily that there's more history between the two of them than simply friendship. Also, that Haydon left an envelope for a "girl" (in a tone that implied it was someone he'd been seeing) and also for a "boy" (in the same tone as with the other envelope) is about as strong an indicator as you're going to get, without the character making an announcement, that he's bisexual.

In trying to remember, I actually went for the book and looked, and it's only 2 sentences, but Haydon refers to a "sailor friend" of his, and asks for Smiley to pay him off. His current girl also mentions him when confronted by Smiley, suggesting maybe he had run away with him.

Anyway, I stand corrected, guess that's just a testament to how complex and deep the book is. I believe a re-reading is in my future.


I'd also wager that not catching that is also a function of the fact that the modern audience is a lot more attuned to picking up that sort of subtext today than even a few years ago.
 
2012-01-25 09:48:30 AM  

DamnYankees: Axissillian: Like, compare Winter's Bone to The King's Speech

The King's Speech was a better movie than Winter's Bone.


Um, no.
 
2012-01-25 09:50:40 AM  

rynthetyn: I'm glad Gary Oldman got a nomination for Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy. He was absolutely amazing in that role.


Agree, one the best actor's for several decades now, glad he finally for a nomination
 
2012-01-25 09:51:22 AM  

RhineStoneTaco: When was the last time a film that reviewed so poorly as "Extremely Loud & Incredibly Close" was nominated for Best Picture?


Crash. Please don't let lightning strike twice.
 
2012-01-25 10:33:37 AM  

raymondbree: DamnYankees: Axissillian: Like, compare Winter's Bone to The King's Speech

The King's Speech was a better movie than Winter's Bone.

Um, no.


Um, yes: 8.2 vs. 7.3 on imdb.com.
 
2012-01-25 01:55:20 PM  

Speaker2Animals: raymondbree: DamnYankees: Axissillian: Like, compare Winter's Bone to The King's Speech

The King's Speech was a better movie than Winter's Bone.

Um, no.

Um, yes: 8.2 vs. 7.3 on imdb.com.


Because when I look for a barometer on quality, the first place I go is the IMDB user's ratings.
 
2012-01-25 03:43:27 PM  

RoyFokker'sGhost: Which is something that the Academy needs to change. Mo-Cap is just as artistically intensive and challenging as CGI.


Um. No. HELL NO.

Mo-cap to actual cgi animation is what rotoscoping is to actual hand-drawn animation.

Example: Pixar does NOT use mo-cap.
 
2012-01-26 10:55:08 AM  

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: Case in point, Wall-E. It got a screenplay nomination, and a lot of that's due to that dialogue-free (but brilliant) first half-hour or so.


It lost to Milk. I've read both screenplays. Wall-E is better.

/Best screenplay I've read is "The Apostle"
 
2012-01-26 03:46:13 PM  
Came for hot Tina Fey pics

/ left disappoint
 
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