"You killed all of us as children" LOL

Sigh.

Won't someone think of the younglings?

You know, playing SWTOR makes me reallllly want to watch Episodes 1-6. YES I KNOW 1-3 SUCK, but still...I love me some lightsaber fights.

MBK: You know, playing SWTOR makes me reallllly want to watch Episodes 1-6. YES I KNOW 1-3 SUCK, but still...I love me some lightsaber fights.

With lots of English choirs singing unintelligible words dramatically.

Been watching ALL of the movies with my kid, it has been a few years since I watched them, and there are a couple things that occurred to me this time around.

With Vader his whole story is about redemption, so yeah he killed the younglings and literally billions of other people, but in the end he killed the emperor and restored balace to the force as was prophesied.

Why didn't the emperor establish a Sith training academy to have a more capable force against the rebels or other internal threats?

NowhereMon: Why didn't the emperor establish a Sith training academy to have a more capable force against the rebels or other internal threats?

I'm not the most informed in terms of Star Wars lore, but...if you were the Emperor, why would you train a bunch of young upstarts that want your throne? The main idea of a Sith is "Power leads to victory", so if he had a bunch of young Sith guys, what better way than to challenge the power of the Emperor.

MBK: NowhereMon: Why didn't the emperor establish a Sith training academy to have a more capable force against the rebels or other internal threats?

I'm not the most informed in terms of Star Wars lore, but...if you were the Emperor, why would you train a bunch of young upstarts that want your throne? The main idea of a Sith is "Power leads to victory", so if he had a bunch of young Sith guys, what better way than to challenge the power of the Emperor.

I don't want to get roped into all this but there's a "rule of two" with the Sith. If there are any more than 2 Sith Lords at one time, 2 of them will gang up on the third. So there can be only 2.

MBK: The main idea of a Sith is "Power leads to victory", so if he had a bunch of young Sith guys, what better way than to challenge the power of the Emperor.

I know, but keep your enemies closer as they say.

Mugato: I don't want to get roped into all this but there's a "rule of two" with the Sith. If there are any more than 2 Sith Lords at one time, 2 of them will gang up on the third. So there can be only 2.
Me neither, but I always thought the Sith mirrored the Jedi, with the master/apprentice arrangement. They say in the movies that the Sith were defeated soundly in some previous battle, so it sounded like there were more of them than just two, but who knows.

All I can say is that for all the defense spending by the empire, they sucked at asymmetrical warfare. Vader was the most postent weapon, a couple more like hime and the problem would have been gone.

NowhereMon: They say in the movies that the Sith were defeated soundly in some previous battle, so it sounded like there were more of them than just two, but who knows.

Yeah, that was like thousands of years "ago" when the video games take place.

NowhereMon: All I can say is that for all the defense spending by the empire, they sucked at asymmetrical warfare. Vader was the most postent weapon, a couple more like hime and the problem would have been gone.

Have you ever seen that episode of Futurama with the desert planet and Fry becomes emperor because he drank the last one?

That is how the Sith are. They kill to move up in the ranks.

MBK: That is how the Sith are. They kill to move up in the ranks.

Why didn't Vader make his move earlier then?

NowhereMon: Why didn't Vader make his move earlier then?

Because he wasn't a perfect Sith. He still had some good in him.

MBA Whore: In Episode 3, it appears to me that Mace Windu would have defeated / killed Palpatine but for Anikin's interference. Did anyone else come away with that - that Windu defeated the Sith Lord but Ani farked it up.

Yup that's about right.

NowhereMon: MBK: That is how the Sith are. They kill to move up in the ranks.

Why didn't Vader make his move earlier then?

Vader was making his move, as soon as he found out who Luke was. He needed an apprentice in order to defeat the Emperor, because the Emperor was that powerful. After all, he held off Yoda and killed off Mace Windu

MooseUpNorth: MBA Whore: In Episode 3, it appears to me that Mace Windu would have defeated / killed Palpatine but for Anikin's interference. Did anyone else come away with that - that Windu defeated the Sith Lord but Ani farked it up.

It's certainly what Anakin was meant to conclude, yes. Would Windu have been winning so handily had Anakin not been there? Possibly, but there's room for doubt.

I read the scene this way. Palpatine played a risky game of chance. He knew that Anakin would show up via his force powers (He speaks several times of forseeing things) He fought Mace to the point of anger and fear, then played weak. So when Anakin arrives, and sees Palpatine being tortured and about to be ruthlessly killed by Mace, he gives up on his belief in the Jedi way and betrays them.

t3knomanser: That's retconned crap invented for the prequels to try and make sense of something that didn't need to make sense.

They came up with that long before the prequels.

miss diminutive: I know love is blind and all that, but he was basically a creepy, whiny, petulant, emotionally clingy douche who confessed to killing women and children and yet she still falls for him.

So, you've never met Callista then I take it?

NowhereMon: MBK: The main idea of a Sith is "Power leads to victory", so if he had a bunch of young Sith guys, what better way than to challenge the power of the Emperor.

I know, but keep your enemies closer as they say.

Mugato: I don't want to get roped into all this but there's a "rule of two" with the Sith. If there are any more than 2 Sith Lords at one time, 2 of them will gang up on the third. So there can be only 2.
Me neither, but I always thought the Sith mirrored the Jedi, with the master/apprentice arrangement. They say in the movies that the Sith were defeated soundly in some previous battle, so it sounded like there were more of them than just two, but who knows.

All I can say is that for all the defense spending by the empire, they sucked at asymmetrical warfare. Vader was the most postent weapon, a couple more like hime and the problem would have been gone.

a long time ago (before battle of Yavin) there were many sith at once. the in-fighting helped the jedi kick their asses. so the Rule of Two was established.

or something like that.

I suppose wondering what happened to Anakin's apprentice Ahsoka, and how that fits into the damn ending is just too damn much?

Course, it also fits into the sad fact that Lucas is just making it up as he goes along. Don't get me wrong: I like the Clone Wars episodes, and they go a long way to fill in some backstory, make the Universe a bit fuller and illustrate exactly how messy the Clone Wars were, between the movies and how many adventures that Obi Wan and Anakin had, but damn. Anakin has a frippin' apprentice, and she doesn't show up to pat her master on the back? Or did she wind up being some crazy Force Witch, hiding out with the Wookies as their red faced Medicine Woman?

Lucas needed to just hand the reins over to someone else, and instead we got three "prequels" that were continuity nightmares, and by a guy who had a gottverdammt Bible written for anyone who thought about approaching his franchise, and then tossed it out himself.

Jesu Christo, he made the damn thing a mess. Vader turns emo. Padme is severely damaged goods who gives in to a guy she barely saw during the Clone Wars, except on leave, and who admits fairly early in their relationship that he murdered a lot of women and children, and the goes on to murder dozens upon dozens MOAR children, and still that doesn't break her heart, but him finally getting put down by his Master, that pushes her over the limit and just sucks the life from her? Gee, I'm going to see the little blonde kid from Tatooine that helped us get off that rock before Qui Gon got killed, so I guess I'll wear that leather half bustier, because that will calm down the teenaged apprentice that's here to protect me?

No wonder Leia had so many issues. Acting the ice princess, but then slutting it up on the sail barge? Who didn't see that one coming?

WTF Lucas? WTF?