I hope he burns in hell, the f*cking selfish, cowardly piece of sh*t. pathetic example of a man and disgusting example of a human being.

*spits*

Given what I've read here and in other places I was expecting a complete evisceration and didn't get it. This came off as pretty fair to me. I'm not excusing him and he certainly could have done more, but I get the feeling that there were greater evils at Penn State.

/don't care about Penn State one way or another

Car_Ramrod: For being a "legendary" coach, in 46 years he only had 3 conference titles and 2 national titles. Pretty lame, Milhouse.

Exactly. His achievements would be only somewhat great if he did that in 10 years. Urban Meyer has had about the same success since 2003, for one example.

FreakinB: Given what I've read here and in other places I was expecting a complete evisceration and didn't get it. This came off as pretty fair to me. I'm not excusing him and he certainly could have done more, but I get the feeling that there were greater evils at Penn State that have taken less heat from the public.

/don't care about Penn State one way or another

Just to clarify my thoughts.

And Penn State people continue to live in denial

Let's go ahead and sum up this thread:

"Paterno can rot in hell, what a piece of shiat, blah blah blah"

"Oh great the lynch mob showed up blah blah blah blah blah"

"It's a tough issue Joe Pa did some good blah blah blah blah blah blah"

Are we going to have one of these every day?

Maybe It's just me, but I've been somewhat disturbed by the parallels between the statements/coverage coming out of State College PA this weekend and those that came out of North Korea after Kim Jong IL died. The only thing they haven't called Joe Pa yet is "dear leader" it seems like.

I particularly hate hearing weepy students saying Paterno "Made the University what it is today"

really?

Your UNIVERSITY's proudest boast is the sucess of the FOOTBALL coach? You have nothing academic to boast of at all? That's just frickin sad.

I thought Jerry Sandusky was the one who let it down in the end.

Should it define his life? Should one incident define anybody's life? We can each answer that for ourselves.

I like the way people keep pushing this as "one incident" and not "a 12 year cover up"

Cheesus: DammitIForgotMyLogin: Should it define his life? Should one incident define anybody's life? We can each answer that for ourselves.

I like the way people keep pushing this as "one incident" and not "a 12 year cover up"

I like the way people are directing most of the anger at Joe Paterno instead of the person who did the rape and the person who saw the rape. Or the campus police chief. Or the college president.

Show me one person who's said something in defence of Sandusky on Fark. I'm waiting.

In the meantime, there's more than enough disgust to go around, just because Jo is getting his fair share doesn't mean there's any less for the other's involved.

Gunny Highway: downstairs: Car_Ramrod: For being a "legendary" coach, in 46 years he only had 3 conference titles and 2 national titles. Pretty lame, Milhouse.

Exactly. His achievements would be only somewhat great if he did that in 10 years. Urban Meyer has had about the same success since 2003, for one example.

He also had a bunch of undefeated and one loss seasons didnt he? The college system is and was farked.

Yeah, I couldn't give a crap about records. The fact that 90% of football games for the big-time schools are against crap opponents, of course you're going to amass a huge winning record.

DammitIForgotMyLogin: Cheesus: DammitIForgotMyLogin: Should it define his life? Should one incident define anybody's life? We can each answer that for ourselves.

I like the way people keep pushing this as "one incident" and not "a 12 year cover up"

I like the way people are directing most of the anger at Joe Paterno instead of the person who did the rape and the person who saw the rape. Or the campus police chief. Or the college president.

Show me one person who's said something in defence of Sandusky on Fark. I'm waiting.

In the meantime, there's more than enough disgust to go around, just because Jo is getting his fair share doesn't mean there's any less for the other's involved.

I'll agree with Cheesus' point, I think it's the same one I was making before. The ratio of Paterno's share of blame for what happened to Paterno's share of the blame he's received in the public/media seems really out of whack to me. I think there were other people who farked up worse that have had a relatively small amount of venom spewed at them.

The whole Sandusky thing aside, I can't help but wonder what sort of stuff might bubble up, with the scandal and his death... we do now know that players were not subject to normal discipline if they got in trouble on campus... that didn't get as much attention as it would have before the Sandusky thing blew up the media.

Cheesus: DammitIForgotMyLogin: Should it define his life? Should one incident define anybody's life? We can each answer that for ourselves.

I like the way people keep pushing this as "one incident" and not "a 12 year cover up"

I like the way people are directing most of the anger at Joe Paterno instead of the person who did the rape and the person who saw the rape. Or the campus police chief. Or the college president.

They are all culpable, including the DA that let Sandusky go the first time they had him dead to rights on the advice of one of Sandusky's friends and associates - but the subject here is Paterno, who was Sandusky's close friend - who downplayed the whole incident the second time around and was probably not unaware of rumors and the previous incident - thus he had a greater responsibility to react the second time to stop his friend from raping children.

Paterno was, instead, more interested in protecting his friend and the football program.

Since this thread is about Paterno, he will get all of the vitriol he deserves here.

Killer Cars: FreakinB: The ratio of Paterno's share of blame for what happened to Paterno's share of the blame he's received in the public/media seems really out of whack to me. I think there were other people who farked up worse that have had a relatively small amount of venom spewed at them.

Right are wrong, the relative "outrage" is bound to be skewed towards Paterno. Unless you can find any particular gray areas or moral questions in regards to the specific acts of sexual abuse, then Sandusky's conduct is pretty cut and dry and not worth "discussing". Curley, Schultz, and some of these other farkwits are virtual unknowns to the public.

The only real "known" figure outside of that is the guy with statues made in his honor and patrolled the sidelines in Happy Valley on Saturdays for several years, and to follow, the obvious discussion of what moral obligation a head coach and beloved figure has to see something as vile as this to an end if brought to his attention.

/I'm discounting the mouthbreathers who sounded like they wanted to kill Paterno themselves.

Oh don't misunderstand, I know the reason why he's getting more blame. He's the public face and I get that. But those other guys are just as deserving, probably more.

Car_Ramrod: For being a "legendary" coach, in 46 years he only had 3 conference titles and 2 national titles. Pretty lame, Milhouse.

Well, he was only coach of a team in a conference in 19 of those years, independent the other 27 years. So 3 out of 19 is almost once every six years, not bad in an 11 team conference (for 18 of those seasons) with teams constantly in the top 10 to compete with. He had five undefeated seasons (only one of which was a national title), six one-loss years, and twenty 10+ win seasons. If that's lame, I don't know what isn't.