I heard the Bucs got Kelly, anyone see anything on this?

"You have to know when to hold em, know when to fold em, know when to walk away and when to run..."

Nobody wants to coach the Tampa Bay Suckaneers, or deal with their idiot management.

How did the last Pac-10 coach fare when he took on the Bucs job?

macdaddy357: Nobody wants to coach the Tampa Bay Suckaneers, or deal with their idiot management.

Add having no idea how to coach anything other than a run option offense with a smaller Michael Vick and you had a match made in heaven. What were the Bucs even thinking? I know that's probably a silly question given the Bucs' Management but for crying out loud - Chip Kelly?? His resume includes Columbia University as an assistant and New Hampshire as an assistant before going to Oregon and having pretty good success in a mediocre Pac-10/12. ZERO professional experience. ZERO. And in his short time as head coach (3 years) he's got a W/L record that is ONLY as good as at least 4 SEC coaches. All he gets anyway are the USC/Texas/Oklahoma rejects and the head cases from JC's.

Idiots all around on this one.

There's definitely something up with the Bucs' upper echelons. This is what, the third or fourth coach to basically be offered the job, only to turn it down? A shame, too, because they have a good number of young players. They will probably end up taking a coach who is trying to rehabilitate his image.

/Mikes Tice and Singletary, paging

There'll

Is there another Harbaugh somewhere? If so, hire him.

SnarfVader: ftjdw: I heard the Bucs got Kelly, anyone see anything on this?

No. He changed his mind last night.

Right around the time Phil Knight called and said "I'll beat whatever they're paying you."

TruckeeTrees: macdaddy357: Nobody wants to coach the Tampa Bay Suckaneers, or deal with their idiot management.

Add having no idea how to coach anything other than a run option offense with a smaller Michael Vick and you had a match made in heaven. What were the Bucs even thinking? I know that's probably a silly question given the Bucs' Management but for crying out loud - Chip Kelly?? His resume includes Columbia University as an assistant and New Hampshire as an assistant before going to Oregon and having pretty good success in a mediocre Pac-10/12. ZERO professional experience. ZERO. And in his short time as head coach (3 years) he's got a W/L record that is ONLY as good as at least 4 SEC coaches. All he gets anyway are the USC/Texas/Oklahoma rejects and the head cases from JC's.

Idiots all around on this one.

Including you aparently.

I get that I'm biased. But there is nothing more idiotic to say a coach is mediocre when you say yourself he gets all the rejects from USC/Texas/Oklahoma.

He has been a head coach for only 3 years and every single one of those years he has coached those "rejects" to 3 consecutive conferance titles, 3 consecutive BCS bowls including a National Championship which he lost by a last second field goal. With those "rejects" he has been more succesfull than all three teams you mentioned over his tenure.

So who is better. A coach of a team who can't do jack with the talent they get or a coach who takes "rejects" and acomplishes something every year.

You're an idiot.

Levarien: Right around the time Phil Knight called and said "I'll beat whatever they're paying you."

I'm not sure that's how it happened. I heard reports last night that Phil Knights was already in Boise talking to Chirs Peterson. I have not been able to confirm those reports though.

srhp29: Levarien: Right around the time Phil Knight called and said "I'll beat whatever they're paying you."

I'm not sure that's how it happened. I heard reports last night that Phil Knights was already in Boise talking to Chirs Peterson. I have not been able to confirm those reports though.

I like how Phil interviews the coaches for an athletic dept he doesn't run (other than giving them farkloads of money)

To be a coach, you need players to coach. Here in Tampa we have players who just quit. If the Glazers thought the ticket sales last year were bad, just wait till this season.

ScouserDuck: TruckeeTrees: macdaddy357: Nobody wants to coach the Tampa Bay Suckaneers, or deal with their idiot management.

Add having no idea how to coach anything other than a run option offense with a smaller Michael Vick and you had a match made in heaven. What were the Bucs even thinking? I know that's probably a silly question given the Bucs' Management but for crying out loud - Chip Kelly?? His resume includes Columbia University as an assistant and New Hampshire as an assistant before going to Oregon and having pretty good success in a mediocre Pac-10/12. ZERO professional experience. ZERO. And in his short time as head coach (3 years) he's got a W/L record that is ONLY as good as at least 4 SEC coaches. All he gets anyway are the USC/Texas/Oklahoma rejects and the head cases from JC's.

Idiots all around on this one.

Including you aparently.

I get that I'm biased. But there is nothing more idiotic to say a coach is mediocre when you say yourself he gets all the rejects from USC/Texas/Oklahoma.

He has been a head coach for only 3 years and every single one of those years he has coached those "rejects" to 3 consecutive conferance titles, 3 consecutive BCS bowls including a National Championship which he lost by a last second field goal. With those "rejects" he has been more succesfull than all three teams you mentioned over his tenure.

So who is better. A coach of a team who can't do jack with the talent they get or a coach who takes "rejects" and acomplishes something every year.

You're an idiot.

You're eating your own shiat. Chip Kelly has been more successful than Lane Kiffin - though Kiffin has had NCAA sanctions to deal with at USC, which Chip Kelly might have here soon...and Kiffin STILL beat you AT HOME this year. You can't even compare him with Bob Stoops or Mack Brown. When he gets 10 years under his belt - MAYBE.

You Duck fans are something else. Your last undefeated season was in 1906 (5-0-1). You haven't even been in the national discussion before 2000, and you've managed to string together a few good years with a gimmick offense and top-tier school rejects. Face it...you have great facilities - stupid looking uniforms and a coach whose 15 minutes is almost up. He knew he would have been in way over his head at Tampa Bay and Oregon knew it too...that's why they didn't bother to kiss his ass with any big dollar extension or anything.

UNC_Samurai: How did the last Pac-10 coach fare when he took on the Bucs job?

He had a 5 year plan.

TruckeeTrees: ScouserDuck: TruckeeTrees: macdaddy357: Nobody wants to coach the Tampa Bay Suckaneers, or deal with their idiot management.

Add having no idea how to coach anything other than a run option offense with a smaller Michael Vick and you had a match made in heaven. What were the Bucs even thinking? I know that's probably a silly question given the Bucs' Management but for crying out loud - Chip Kelly?? His resume includes Columbia University as an assistant and New Hampshire as an assistant before going to Oregon and having pretty good success in a mediocre Pac-10/12. ZERO professional experience. ZERO. And in his short time as head coach (3 years) he's got a W/L record that is ONLY as good as at least 4 SEC coaches. All he gets anyway are the USC/Texas/Oklahoma rejects and the head cases from JC's.

Idiots all around on this one.

Including you aparently.

I get that I'm biased. But there is nothing more idiotic to say a coach is mediocre when you say yourself he gets all the rejects from USC/Texas/Oklahoma.

He has been a head coach for only 3 years and every single one of those years he has coached those "rejects" to 3 consecutive conferance titles, 3 consecutive BCS bowls including a National Championship which he lost by a last second field goal. With those "rejects" he has been more succesfull than all three teams you mentioned over his tenure.

So who is better. A coach of a team who can't do jack with the talent they get or a coach who takes "rejects" and acomplishes something every year.

You're an idiot.

You're eating your own shiat. Chip Kelly has been more successful than Lane Kiffin - though Kiffin has had NCAA sanctions to deal with at USC, which Chip Kelly might have here soon...and Kiffin STILL beat you AT HOME this year. You can't even compare him with Bob Stoops or Mack Brown. When he gets 10 years under his belt - MAYBE.

You Duck fans are something else. Your last undefeated season was in 1906 (5-0-1). You haven't even been in the national discussion before 2000, and you've managed to string together a few good years with a gimmick offense and top-tier school rejects. Face it...you have great facilities - stupid looking uniforms and a coach whose 15 minutes is almost up. He knew he would have been in way over his head at Tampa Bay and Oregon knew it too...that's why they didn't bother to kiss his ass with any big dollar extension or anything.

In the three years that Chip Kelly h as been a head coach, he's been more successful than all those coaches you mentioned (comparing the same 3 year span).

And YOU said Oregon gets everybody's rejects.

Yeah we lost to USC at home (by a missed field goal) But we spanked Stanford in Palo Alto. The same Stanford that beat USC at the Coloseum (sp) in overtime. The same Stanford that lost to Oklahoma State by a missed filed goal. The same Oklahoma State that had a great time practicing their third string against Stoop's "blue chips".

You can use that one USC game all you like. Big picture is this. Chip Kelly has gone to a BCS game ( and been conferance champion) every single year he has been coach. He's gone to a NC game and won a rose bowl. WITH players that you claim are "rejects".

Facilities and uniforms don't make "rejects" victorious, coaching does.

TruckeeTrees: You Duck fans are something else. Your last undefeated season was in 1906 (5-0-1). You haven't even been in the national discussion before 2000, and you've managed to string together a few good years with a gimmick offense and top-tier school rejects. Face it...you have great facilities - stupid looking uniforms and a coach whose 15 minutes is almost up. He knew he would have been in way over his head at Tampa Bay and Oregon knew it too...that's why they didn't bother to kiss his ass with any big dollar extension or anything.

You sound jealous. And fat.

Pincy: TruckeeTrees: You Duck fans are something else. Your last undefeated season was in 1906 (5-0-1). You haven't even been in the national discussion before 2000, and you've managed to string together a few good years with a gimmick offense and top-tier school rejects. Face it...you have great facilities - stupid looking uniforms and a coach whose 15 minutes is almost up. He knew he would have been in way over his head at Tampa Bay and Oregon knew it too...that's why they didn't bother to kiss his ass with any big dollar extension or anything.

You sound jealous. And fat.

If you're self-conscious, either keep it to yourself or talk to your other flaming libtards about it.

ScouserDuck: He's gone to a NC game and won a rose bowl.

That's a nice way of saying that he's 1-2 in BCS Bowl Games.

TruckeeTrees: If you're self-conscious, either keep it to yourself or talk to your other flaming libtards about it.

You know how I know you don't have anything intelligent to say?

Chupacabra Sandwich: The_Six_Fingered_Man: ScouserDuck: He's gone to a NC game and won a rose bowl.

That's a nice way of saying that he's 1-2 in BCS Bowl Games.

Wow. The stupid, it burns.

is that not his record in BCS games? It leaves out the Rose Bowl loss to Ohio State though, which should be included. Chip Kelly has been in the right place at the right time with the right scheme. That won't last forever. It may not have lasted past last season. Expect USC to be back, Zona to make noise, and Wazzu to make a statement.

pion: TruckeeTrees: If you're self-conscious, either keep it to yourself or talk to your other flaming libtards about it.

You know how I know you don't have anything intelligent to say?

How?

oldsbone: Rejects?

Oregon is consistently one of the top recruiting classes. They're not Alabama or Texas, but they get a number of good prospects every year. I guarantee that Texas wasn't looking at LaMichael James and saying "Uh...don't call us, we'll call you...or something."

Oregon hasn't had the historical success, but there were only a few teams that had decades of consistent success (and even they had their down periods). Should college football just disband 110 teams and create a USC/Notre Dame/Alabama/Texas/Ohio State/Michigan/Nebraska conference? If you weren't relevant in 1976, you shouldn't be now.

If by "one of the top" you mean in the top 25, then fine. Because that's where they are. Consistently behind most SEC schools, Big 12 schools and the elite of the PAC 12. This year they're running behind Cal, USC and Stanford in their recruiting classes. I know the rankings are subjective, but come on...4th in the PAC 12?

The_Six_Fingered_Man: Chupacabra Sandwich: The_Six_Fingered_Man: ScouserDuck: He's gone to a NC game and won a rose bowl.

That's a nice way of saying that he's 1-2 in BCS Bowl Games.

Wow. The stupid, it burns.

is that not his record in BCS games? It leaves out the Rose Bowl loss to Ohio State though, which should be included. Chip Kelly has been in the right place at the right time with the right scheme. That won't last forever. It may not have lasted past last season. Expect USC to be back, Zona to make noise, and Wazzu to make a statement.

This is what I've been trying to say. Though, in a more shallow, disjointed and mean-spirited way.

TruckeeTrees: oldsbone: Rejects?

Oregon is consistently one of the top recruiting classes. They're not Alabama or Texas, but they get a number of good prospects every year. I guarantee that Texas wasn't looking at LaMichael James and saying "Uh...don't call us, we'll call you...or something."

Oregon hasn't had the historical success, but there were only a few teams that had decades of consistent success (and even they had their down periods). Should college football just disband 110 teams and create a USC/Notre Dame/Alabama/Texas/Ohio State/Michigan/Nebraska conference? If you weren't relevant in 1976, you shouldn't be now.

If by "one of the top" you mean in the top 25, then fine. Because that's where they are. Consistently behind most SEC schools, Big 12 schools and the elite of the PAC 12. This year they're running behind Cal, USC and Stanford in their recruiting classes. I know the rankings are subjective, but come on...4th in the PAC 12?

And yet they've finished in the Top 10 the last 3 years. You still have yet to tell me how that doesn't add up to good coaching?

The_Six_Fingered_Man: Chupacabra Sandwich: The_Six_Fingered_Man: ScouserDuck: He's gone to a NC game and won a rose bowl.

That's a nice way of saying that he's 1-2 in BCS Bowl Games.

Wow. The stupid, it burns.

is that not his record in BCS games? It leaves out the Rose Bowl loss to Ohio State though, which should be included. Chip Kelly has been in the right place at the right time with the right scheme. That won't last forever. It may not have lasted past last season. Expect USC to be back, Zona to make noise, and Wazzu to make a statement.

Nice prediction. Nothing lasts forever. And as far as expecting Zona to make noise, people have been saying that for 6 years.

ScouserDuck: The_Six_Fingered_Man: Chupacabra Sandwich: The_Six_Fingered_Man: ScouserDuck: He's gone to a NC game and won a rose bowl.

That's a nice way of saying that he's 1-2 in BCS Bowl Games.

Wow. The stupid, it burns.

is that not his record in BCS games? It leaves out the Rose Bowl loss to Ohio State though, which should be included. Chip Kelly has been in the right place at the right time with the right scheme. That won't last forever. It may not have lasted past last season. Expect USC to be back, Zona to make noise, and Wazzu to make a statement.

Nice prediction. Nothing lasts forever. And as far as expecting Zona to make noise, people have been saying that for 6 years.

You do realize that they have a halfways competent coach now, right?

The_Six_Fingered_Man: ScouserDuck: The_Six_Fingered_Man: Chupacabra Sandwich: The_Six_Fingered_Man: ScouserDuck: He's gone to a NC game and won a rose bowl.

That's a nice way of saying that he's 1-2 in BCS Bowl Games.

Wow. The stupid, it burns.

is that not his record in BCS games? It leaves out the Rose Bowl loss to Ohio State though, which should be included. Chip Kelly has been in the right place at the right time with the right scheme. That won't last forever. It may not have lasted past last season. Expect USC to be back, Zona to make noise, and Wazzu to make a statement.

Nice prediction. Nothing lasts forever. And as far as expecting Zona to make noise, people have been saying that for 6 years.

You do realize that they have a halfways competent coach now, right?

Which is the exact same thing ASU was claiming when they got Erickson. Having a competent coach isn't the issue. The issue is having a competent coach paired with the right program. I'm not saying it isn't going to happen. What I am saying is let's see what happens.

ScouserDuck: TruckeeTrees: oldsbone: Rejects?

Oregon is consistently one of the top recruiting classes. They're not Alabama or Texas, but they get a number of good prospects every year. I guarantee that Texas wasn't looking at LaMichael James and saying "Uh...don't call us, we'll call you...or something."

Oregon hasn't had the historical success, but there were only a few teams that had decades of consistent success (and even they had their down periods). Should college football just disband 110 teams and create a USC/Notre Dame/Alabama/Texas/Ohio State/Michigan/Nebraska conference? If you weren't relevant in 1976, you shouldn't be now.

If by "one of the top" you mean in the top 25, then fine. Because that's where they are. Consistently behind most SEC schools, Big 12 schools and the elite of the PAC 12. This year they're running behind Cal, USC and Stanford in their recruiting classes. I know the rankings are subjective, but come on...4th in the PAC 12?

And yet they've finished in the Top 10 the last 3 years. You still have yet to tell me how that doesn't add up to good coaching?

He may be a good coach. 3 years doesn't make it so. Bottom line is that he turned the PAC 12 upside down with the gimmicky spread offense and now the DC's in the conference are figuring out how to deal with it. This movie has been played so many times with predictable results. Rich Rod tried it at WVU and then took it to Michigan where it was a complete disaster. Todd Graham had some success with it at Tulsa but at Pittsburgh - where they had seen it for years with WVU - it didn't do so well. Part of that was because he didn't have the right players, but Chip Kelly had 2 years as OC to get the right type of players in to Oregon. Nebraska ran it with Martinez with partial success...the examples are many. He uses a gimmick offense and has had initial success. I think in 10 years though, we'll see him as another coach who was a flash in the pan. He'll skip around like most of the other coaches that rely on the spread offense and end up marginally successful.

Maybe I'm wrong and he's a genius but there are just too many examples of a one trick pony out there to change my mind. Guys like Pellini, Brown, Meyer, Saban and others that have run the spread at certain points when it was practical also can win with more traditional offensive schemes. I think Chip Kelly is overrated. But we'll see.

TruckeeTrees: ScouserDuck: TruckeeTrees: oldsbone: Rejects?

Oregon is consistently one of the top recruiting classes. They're not Alabama or Texas, but they get a number of good prospects every year. I guarantee that Texas wasn't looking at LaMichael James and saying "Uh...don't call us, we'll call you...or something."

Oregon hasn't had the historical success, but there were only a few teams that had decades of consistent success (and even they had their down periods). Should college football just disband 110 teams and create a USC/Notre Dame/Alabama/Texas/Ohio State/Michigan/Nebraska conference? If you weren't relevant in 1976, you shouldn't be now.

If by "one of the top" you mean in the top 25, then fine. Because that's where they are. Consistently behind most SEC schools, Big 12 schools and the elite of the PAC 12. This year they're running behind Cal, USC and Stanford in their recruiting classes. I know the rankings are subjective, but come on...4th in the PAC 12?

And yet they've finished in the Top 10 the last 3 years. You still have yet to tell me how that doesn't add up to good coaching?

He may be a good coach. 3 years doesn't make it so. Bottom line is that he turned the PAC 12 upside down with the gimmicky spread offense and now the DC's in the conference are figuring out how to deal with it. This movie has been played so many times with predictable results. Rich Rod tried it at WVU and then took it to Michigan where it was a complete disaster. Todd Graham had some success with it at Tulsa but at Pittsburgh - where they had seen it for years with WVU - it didn't do so well. Part of that was because he didn't have the right players, but Chip Kelly had 2 years as OC to get the right type of players in to Oregon. Nebraska ran it with Martinez with partial success...the examples are many. He uses a gimmick offense and has had initial success. I think in 10 years though, we'll see him as another coach who was a flash in the pan. He'll skip around like most of ...

So, 2 losses in the PAC 10/12 in the past 3 seasons, and "DC's in the conference are figuring out how to deal with it"?

The_Six_Fingered_Man: ScouserDuck: He's gone to a NC game and won a rose bowl.

That's a nice way of saying that he's 1-2 in BCS Bowl Games.

Ya, it really sucks to have a 1-2 record in BCS Bowl games. I suppose only 3-0 is good enough for you because you are always perfect in everything you do. Maybe someday we will find a coach that is as good as you?

TruckeeTrees: Pincy: TruckeeTrees: You Duck fans are something else. Your last undefeated season was in 1906 (5-0-1). You haven't even been in the national discussion before 2000, and you've managed to string together a few good years with a gimmick offense and top-tier school rejects. Face it...you have great facilities - stupid looking uniforms and a coach whose 15 minutes is almost up. He knew he would have been in way over his head at Tampa Bay and Oregon knew it too...that's why they didn't bother to kiss his ass with any big dollar extension or anything.

You sound jealous. And fat.

If you're self-conscious, either keep it to yourself or talk to your other flaming libtards about it.

Not self-conscious at all, why should I be, I'm not the one making an ass out of myself.

Pincy: TruckeeTrees: Pincy: TruckeeTrees: You Duck fans are something else. Your last undefeated season was in 1906 (5-0-1). You haven't even been in the national discussion before 2000, and you've managed to string together a few good years with a gimmick offense and top-tier school rejects. Face it...you have great facilities - stupid looking uniforms and a coach whose 15 minutes is almost up. He knew he would have been in way over his head at Tampa Bay and Oregon knew it too...that's why they didn't bother to kiss his ass with any big dollar extension or anything.

You sound jealous. And fat.

If you're self-conscious, either keep it to yourself or talk to your other flaming libtards about it.

Not self-conscious at all, why should I be, I'm not the one making an ass out of myself.

You're always the last to know...

Chupacabra Sandwich: How many schools have been to 3 bcs bowls and won one in the last three years? How many?

In the last 3 years? 1. However, Oregon has a ways to go, just GETTING to 3 BCS Bowls has been done by a couple dozen schools. Notable records in AT LEAST 3 consecutive BCS games are: USC won 3 in a row....TWICE. Oklahoma - 1/3 (03-05). Florida - 2/4 (93-96). Nebraska - 4/6 (92-97). Florida State - 6/9 (92-00). Miami - 5/9 (92-95 & 00-04) There are plenty of others that have a better 3 game record in the BCS than Oregon.

TruckeeTrees: Chupacabra Sandwich: How many schools have been to 3 bcs bowls and won one in the last three years? How many?

In the last 3 years? 1. However, Oregon has a ways to go, just GETTING to 3 BCS Bowls has been done by a couple dozen schools. Notable records in AT LEAST 3 consecutive BCS games are: USC won 3 in a row....TWICE. Oklahoma - 1/3 (03-05). Florida - 2/4 (93-96). Nebraska - 4/6 (92-97). Florida State - 6/9 (92-00). Miami - 5/9 (92-95 & 00-04) There are plenty of others that have a better 3 game record in the BCS than Oregon.

So wait......you just placed Oregon among a list of storied programs at their peak. You just included them among a group of schools with which you said they didn't belong.

/just sayin'

Chupacabra Sandwich: How many schools have been to 3 bcs bowls and won one in the last three years? How many?

TruckeeTrees: Chupacabra Sandwich: How many schools have been to 3 bcs bowls and won one in the last three years? How many?

In the last 3 years? 1. However, Oregon has a ways to go, just GETTING to 3 BCS Bowls has been done by a couple dozen schools. Notable records in AT LEAST 3 consecutive BCS games are: USC won 3 in a row....TWICE. Oklahoma - 1/3 (03-05). Florida - 2/4 (93-96). Nebraska - 4/6 (92-97). Florida State - 6/9 (92-00). Miami - 5/9 (92-95 & 00-04) There are plenty of others that have a better 3 game record in the BCS than Oregon.

And then there is Ohio State, who holds the record for most BCS games, and most won with 6, including winning their first 4 in a row.

But your analysis is a bit off. The BCS didn't begin until 1999, so some of those aren't "BCS" records.

ScouserDuck: TruckeeTrees: Chupacabra Sandwich: How many schools have been to 3 bcs bowls and won one in the last three years? How many?

In the last 3 years? 1. However, Oregon has a ways to go, just GETTING to 3 BCS Bowls has been done by a couple dozen schools. Notable records in AT LEAST 3 consecutive BCS games are: USC won 3 in a row....TWICE. Oklahoma - 1/3 (03-05). Florida - 2/4 (93-96). Nebraska - 4/6 (92-97). Florida State - 6/9 (92-00). Miami - 5/9 (92-95 & 00-04) There are plenty of others that have a better 3 game record in the BCS than Oregon.

So wait......you just placed Oregon among a list of storied programs at their peak. You just included them among a group of schools with which you said they didn't belong.

/just sayin'

What I said is that Oregon gets players who don't get offered at the top level schools. And I said Chip Kelly runs a gimmicky offense that has never had long term success. And that he was nowhere near qualified to run a pro football team - regardless of what the slapdicks that run the Tampa Bay Buccaneers apparently thought. YOU said Oregon was some kind of great football program and the fact is, they really aren't. There is no great Oregon tradition of success on the football field but maybe in 20 years we'll look back and there will be. When they start getting the best recruits in the country and don't rely on JuCo transfers as much as they do, then I'll give them a little more credit.

Oregon has had a brief bit of success the past three years, but the writing is on the wall. USC runs the PAC 12 and a revitalized Arizona will join Cal and Stanford in exposing Oregon as a flash in the pan. They'll go back to sitting at the JV table with Wazzu, Utah and Colorado while the varsity talent wins titles and goes to BCS bowl games. I see alot of Kraft Fight Hunger Bowls and Beef O'Brady Bowls in the Ducks' future.

TruckeeTrees: ScouserDuck: TruckeeTrees: Chupacabra Sandwich: How many schools have been to 3 bcs bowls and won one in the last three years? How many?

In the last 3 years? 1. However, Oregon has a ways to go, just GETTING to 3 BCS Bowls has been done by a couple dozen schools. Notable records in AT LEAST 3 consecutive BCS games are: USC won 3 in a row....TWICE. Oklahoma - 1/3 (03-05). Florida - 2/4 (93-96). Nebraska - 4/6 (92-97). Florida State - 6/9 (92-00). Miami - 5/9 (92-95 & 00-04) There are plenty of others that have a better 3 game record in the BCS than Oregon.

So wait......you just placed Oregon among a list of storied programs at their peak. You just included them among a group of schools with which you said they didn't belong.

/just sayin'

What I said is that Oregon gets players who don't get offered at the top level schools. And I said Chip Kelly runs a gimmicky offense that has never had long term success. And that he was nowhere near qualified to run a pro football team - regardless of what the slapdicks that run the Tampa Bay Buccaneers apparently thought. YOU said Oregon was some kind of great football program and the fact is, they really aren't. There is no great Oregon tradition of success on the football field but maybe in 20 years we'll look back and there will be. When they start getting the best recruits in the country and don't rely on JuCo transfers as much as they do, then I'll give them a little more credit.

Oregon has had a brief bit of success the past three years, but the writing is on the wall. USC runs the PAC 12 and a revitalized Arizona will join Cal and Stanford in exposing Oregon as a flash in the pan. They'll go back to sitting at the JV table with Wazzu, Utah and Colorado while the varsity talent wins titles and goes to BCS bowl games. I see alot of Kraft Fight Hunger Bowls and Beef O'Brady Bowls in the Ducks' future.

You know absolutely nothing about the Pac-12

Last 20 years of Pac-12 champions (including shared titles)

USC - 9
Oregon - 5
Washington-4
UCLA-3
Stanford/ Wazzu / ASU - 2
Cal/ UA / OSU - 1

But you're right. AZ, Cal, and Stanford are the varsity talent.

At this point you must be a troll. You keep saying Oregon doesn't get top recruits, but year in year out they win the conferance. Guess what? Recruiting class means nothing if they don't put numbers in the "W" coloumn. Oregon wins, plain and simple. In the last decade, Oregon has gone 4 -5 against USC. But you're right, USC totally dominates them.

ScouserDuck: TruckeeTrees: ScouserDuck: TruckeeTrees: Chupacabra Sandwich: How many schools have been to 3 bcs bowls and won one in the last three years? How many?

In the last 3 years? 1. However, Oregon has a ways to go, just GETTING to 3 BCS Bowls has been done by a couple dozen schools. Notable records in AT LEAST 3 consecutive BCS games are: USC won 3 in a row....TWICE. Oklahoma - 1/3 (03-05). Florida - 2/4 (93-96). Nebraska - 4/6 (92-97). Florida State - 6/9 (92-00). Miami - 5/9 (92-95 & 00-04) There are plenty of others that have a better 3 game record in the BCS than Oregon.

So wait......you just placed Oregon among a list of storied programs at their peak. You just included them among a group of schools with which you said they didn't belong.

/just sayin'

What I said is that Oregon gets players who don't get offered at the top level schools. And I said Chip Kelly runs a gimmicky offense that has never had long term success. And that he was nowhere near qualified to run a pro football team - regardless of what the slapdicks that run the Tampa Bay Buccaneers apparently thought. YOU said Oregon was some kind of great football program and the fact is, they really aren't. There is no great Oregon tradition of success on the football field but maybe in 20 years we'll look back and there will be. When they start getting the best recruits in the country and don't rely on JuCo transfers as much as they do, then I'll give them a little more credit.

Oregon has had a brief bit of success the past three years, but the writing is on the wall. USC runs the PAC 12 and a revitalized Arizona will join Cal and Stanford in exposing Oregon as a flash in the pan. They'll go back to sitting at the JV table with Wazzu, Utah and Colorado while the varsity talent wins titles and goes to BCS bowl games. I see alot of Kraft Fight Hunger Bowls and Beef O'Brady Bowls in the Ducks' future.

You know absolutely nothing about the Pac-12

Last 20 years of Pac-12 champions (including shared titles)

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Year in and year out? Li'l bit of a stretch there partner.

Here is my prediction for Oregon in 2012. I'm willing to publicly bet you that you will NOT win the PAC 12 next year. You may win the north, but you'll be a 3 loss team in 2012.