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(Baltimore Sun)   Mike Preston of the Baltimore Sun would like you to know that the Ravens totally aren't playoff chokers. No, seriously. Guys, why are you laughing?   (baltimoresun.com) divider line 179
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2012-01-23 09:51:22 AM
I wonder how many death threats the kicker has received.
 
2012-01-23 09:58:01 AM
The Ravens (as a team) aren't...

1.) The defense held Brady to one of his statistically worst performances of the year (59 QB rating, 234 yards)
2.) Flacco McThirdAndOut made quite a few 3rd and longs and had some good looking drives
3.) Three takeaways, one give-away
4.) When Ray Rice could get his 100 yards, Ricky Williams stepped in to get some running yards

Other than #7, the Ravens did pretty well
 
2012-01-23 09:59:09 AM

AzDownboy: When Ray Rice couldn't get


FTFM
 
2012-01-23 10:01:00 AM
The Ravens should have called a timeout. They rushed the kicker out and got exactly what you get when you rush a kicker onto the field.
 
2012-01-23 10:18:00 AM
Woulda Coulda Shoulda....

Better luck next year, Baltimore.



Go Patriots!
 
2012-01-23 10:27:10 AM

AzDownboy: The Ravens (as a team) aren't...

1.) The defense held Brady to one of his statistically worst performances of the year (59 QB rating, 234 yards)
2.) Flacco McThirdAndOut made quite a few 3rd and longs and had some good looking drives
3.) Three takeaways, one give-away
4.) When Ray Rice could get his 100 yards, Ricky Williams stepped in to get some running yards

Other than #7, the Ravens did pretty well


I hate putting it all on Cundiff, but... I can't think of a good way to finish this sentence.
 
2012-01-23 10:30:06 AM
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2012-01-23 10:37:20 AM
Cut him some slack. He pondered this while he was weak and weary.
 
2012-01-23 11:29:38 AM

FriarReb98: AzDownboy: The Ravens (as a team) aren't...

1.) The defense held Brady to one of his statistically worst performances of the year (59 QB rating, 234 yards)
2.) Flacco McThirdAndOut made quite a few 3rd and longs and had some good looking drives
3.) Three takeaways, one give-away
4.) When Ray Rice could get his 100 yards, Ricky Williams stepped in to get some running yards

Other than #7, the Ravens did pretty well

I hate putting it all on Cundiff, but... I can't think of a good way to finish this sentence.


It was just a freak occurance. I'm a Pats fan and I feel bad for the guy. From what I saw, however, they are an excellent team that would have made an interesting Super Bowl. Hell, if they had made it then I could see them beating the Giants.
 
2012-01-23 11:30:28 AM
Receiver Lee Evans dropped a perfectly thrown touchdown pass with 27 seconds left in the game which would have given the Ravens a four-point victory

That wasn't a drop, homeboy. That was a pass defensed.
 
2012-01-23 11:31:16 AM
Good thing the Pats didn't "ice" the kicker, or the game probably would have gone to overtime.
 
2012-01-23 11:54:02 AM
Subby seriously fails at reading comprehension.
 
2012-01-23 11:56:59 AM

jaylectricity: Receiver Lee Evans dropped a perfectly thrown touchdown pass with 27 seconds left in the game which would have given the Ravens a four-point victory

That wasn't a drop, homeboy. That was a pass defensed.


In the regular season, that's DPI.

/good thing it's not regular season.
 
2012-01-23 11:59:23 AM
They are pretty good murderers, though.
 
2012-01-23 12:01:37 PM

wooden_badger: jaylectricity: Receiver Lee Evans dropped a perfectly thrown touchdown pass with 27 seconds left in the game which would have given the Ravens a four-point victory

That wasn't a drop, homeboy. That was a pass defensed.

In the regular season, that's DPI.

/good thing it's not regular season.


I think I know what you meant but when you abbreviate it like that it makes sound so dirty.
 
2012-01-23 12:03:25 PM

wooden_badger: jaylectricity: Receiver Lee Evans dropped a perfectly thrown touchdown pass with 27 seconds left in the game which would have given the Ravens a four-point victory

That wasn't a drop, homeboy. That was a pass defensed.

In the regular season, that's DPI.

/good thing it's not regular season.


You are insane. The defender didn't even touch the receiver...just the ball.
 
2012-01-23 12:04:25 PM

Harv72b: Subby seriously fails at reading comprehension.


Well, to be fair, the article is kind of confusing. The second sentence basically says, "They didn't choke. Give credit to the Pats," but the rest of the article is about how they choked against in the playoffs the last two years. It seems the author wasn't really sure where he was going with this piece when he wrote it.
 
2012-01-23 12:10:33 PM

FriarReb98: AzDownboy: The Ravens (as a team) aren't...

1.) The defense held Brady to one of his statistically worst performances of the year (59 QB rating, 234 yards)
2.) Flacco McThirdAndOut made quite a few 3rd and longs and had some good looking drives
3.) Three takeaways, one give-away
4.) When Ray Rice could get his 100 yards, Ricky Williams stepped in to get some running yards

Other than #7, the Ravens did pretty well

I hate putting it all on Cundiff, but so... something involving Lee Evans I can't think of a good way to finish this sentence.


That should help.
 
2012-01-23 12:12:08 PM
FTA: You're hoping they don't turn into the old Minnesota Vikings or Cleveland Browns.

First: Old Minnesota Vikings? Old? Dude, we most recently crapped the bed 2 years ago. Our 50 year tradition is of losing when it matters most.

Second: Too late, your team is like us without even having the benefit of losing in the Superbowl since moving to Baltimore.

Third: Losing doesn't get easier with time. Sorry folks.
 
2012-01-23 12:14:14 PM

CPT Ethanolic: The Ravens should have called a timeout. They rushed the kicker out and got exactly what you get when you rush a kicker onto the field.


qft
 
2012-01-23 12:15:41 PM
cache.gawkerassets.com
Picture from right before the strip. No pass interference.
 
2012-01-23 12:16:59 PM
Is this the part where we talk about how godlike Brady is? He been statistically worse than Peyton Manning in the playoffs -- but that doesn't really support the narrative, does it?

/teams win (or lose) play-off games.
//or sometimes the other team hands you a win.
///like in this case.
 
2012-01-23 12:17:52 PM
Patriots played like shiat, the defense was porous after the 3rd opening drive for the Ravens. Patriots gave up a hand full of opportunities, Tom missed Gronk wide open, threw 2 ints and yet still squeaked out a win. I'm a Patriots fan but, the Ravens should've won that game. I'm happy we won but, hell i didn't expect NE to win that game; not against a defense like that.
 
2012-01-23 12:18:59 PM

Blink: Is this the part where we talk about how godlike Brady is? He been statistically worse than Peyton Manning in the playoffs -- but that doesn't really support the narrative, does it?

/teams win (or lose) play-off games.
//or sometimes the other team hands you a win.
///like in this case.


Bingo.The Defense kept the Pats in the game


Hell, Brady even said he sucked afterwards, though I really enjoyed that hop over the defensive line for the touchdown
 
2012-01-23 12:20:27 PM
Normally I'm pretty harsh on Flacco because of his inconsistency. But I'm not pinning this one on him. He did well enough to not be a liability to his team.
 
2012-01-23 12:20:47 PM

Theaetetus: [cache.gawkerassets.com image 300x169]
Picture from right before the strip. No pass interference.


Wouldn't the term "strip" mean he had caused a fumble? All I see is a defended pass.

/or am I overthinking this?
 
2012-01-23 12:21:42 PM

Theaetetus: [cache.gawkerassets.com image 300x169]
Picture from right before the strip. No pass interference.


It was a well defended play, no doubt about it. But people around here are hurting and are having a hard time swallowing this one.

Honestly, if the Pats had just won it on their last possession I would've been okay, but after that tipped INT and working it all the way downfield to blow it like this, I get knots in my stomach just thinking about it.

I hope my kids never play sports.
 
2012-01-23 12:25:01 PM

Blink: Is this the part where we talk about how godlike Brady is? He been statistically worse than Peyton Manning in the playoffs -- but that doesn't really support the narrative, does it?


I would like to see a source for that, cause I don't buy that Manning's playoff stats are better than Brady's.
Also, His average punting yards are waayyyyy better.
 
2012-01-23 12:25:02 PM

Jim from Saint Paul: Theaetetus: [cache.gawkerassets.com image 300x169]
Picture from right before the strip. No pass interference.

Wouldn't the term "strip" mean he had caused a fumble? All I see is a defended pass.

/or am I overthinking this?


Stripping it before the defender has full possession would result in an incompletion. I think you're overthinking it.
 
2012-01-23 12:25:22 PM

IKanHazaBukkit: Patriots played like shiat, the defense was porous after the 3rd opening drive for the Ravens. Patriots gave up a hand full of opportunities, Tom missed Gronk wide open, threw 2 ints and yet still squeaked out a win. I'm a Patriots fan but, the Ravens should've won that game. I'm happy we won but, hell i didn't expect NE to win that game; not against a defense like that.


Yeah, if anything, the Ravens deserved to win that game. Flacco nutted up and played well, and the Ravens had the Pats offense out of whack. If Ben Jarvus Green-Ellis-Jingleheimer-Smith is the most consistent offensive player for you during the course of a game, something is up.

/pats fan not feeling very good about this SB rematch.
 
2012-01-23 12:26:01 PM
Lee Evans closed his eyes in the replay I saw. He flinched because he knew he was about to be hit. With open eyes, he could have pulled that ball away from a defender trying to strip the ball. Blame him, not Cundiff.
 
2012-01-23 12:26:30 PM
On the play before the missed FG, Flacco was rolling right. He tried to force one into Pitta for the score, but had he checked down to a wide open Ray Rice they could have gotten the first down, called time out, taken a shot at the endzone, and then kicked the FG if that shot fell incomplete. I know hindsight is 20/20, but he was trying to force one to Pitta instead of taking what the defense was giving. As a Giants fan I was even a little annoyed at Eli for trying to force balls into Cruz in the 4th quarter rather than hitting other guys who were more open or in single coverage. Sometimes QB's get tunnel vision for their favorite target and it can cost them.
 
2012-01-23 12:27:31 PM

Theaetetus: Picture from right before the strip. No pass interference.


Ravens fan, here. Clean strip. Utterly disappointing. I didn't even object to the call when I saw it live. I don't think they choked. I think Flacco stepped up and played a great game. Mistakes were made several times (like missing Leech for an easy TD pass, the final shanked kick) and that's why losses are losses and not wins.
 
2012-01-23 12:28:56 PM

INeedAName: Theaetetus: [cache.gawkerassets.com image 300x169]
Picture from right before the strip. No pass interference.

It was a well defended play, no doubt about it. But people around here are hurting and are having a hard time swallowing this one.


Y'think? First line in the article: "For the second straight year, the best team in the American Football Conference will not be playing in the Super Bowl."

Reminds me of 2002, when the Steelers lost to the Patriots for the AFC title and Kordell Stewart said "Sometimes, the best team doesn't win." In a burst of karma, three games into the next season, he was cut.
 
2012-01-23 12:29:10 PM

oldernell: I wonder how many death threats the kicker has received.


It's Baltimore, so death threats are pretty much implicit, even while just out to get a coffee.
 
2012-01-23 12:33:23 PM
HE WAS TOLD DEFENSE WOULD WIN THE CHAMPIONSHIP DAMMIT!
 
2012-01-23 12:40:10 PM
Quo the the kicker,"I couldn't score."
 
2012-01-23 12:42:22 PM
For the second straight year, the best team in the American Football Conference will not be playing in the Super Bowl.

First sentence, and that's where I stopped reading. Yes, you can argue that they had a chance to win, of course. But this "nuh-uh, we're still better than them" crap is just asinine. If you were the best team in the AFC, you'd have had home field advantage. You wouldn't have struggled to beat T.J. Yates in the playoffs. You wouldn't have lost to the farking Seahawks in the regular season (at a point in the season before the Seahawks actually got kinda good). Get over yourselves.
 
2012-01-23 12:44:32 PM

velvet_fog: They are pretty good murderers, though.


Flock of Birds
Murder of Crows
Unkindness of Ravens

get the groupings right. :)
 
2012-01-23 12:45:11 PM

jaylectricity: Receiver Lee Evans dropped a perfectly thrown touchdown pass with 27 seconds left in the game which would have given the Ravens a four-point victory

That wasn't a drop, homeboy. That was a pass defensed.


Um no.

When you have both of your hands on the ball, in control and it's swatted out of them, it's a drop.

It's a TD to win the AFCCG. A good receiver snatches that thing and covers it up.

He lost the game more than the kicker.
 
2012-01-23 12:45:16 PM
My opinion on Evans is that yes it was a nice defensive play, there was no PI, it was not a TD. I would fault Evans a bit for not twisting his body away from the defender as soon as the ball was in his possession. Once the ball passed his back shoulder he could have perhaps done more to wrench his upper body away from the DB.
 
2012-01-23 12:45:57 PM

jaylectricity: Receiver Lee Evans dropped a perfectly thrown touchdown pass with 27 seconds left in the game which would have given the Ravens a four-point victory

That wasn't a drop, homeboy. That was a pass defensed.


yeah, wtf, all morning I have been reading how Evans farked up and it wasnt Cundiff's fault. I just saw the replay for the first time, Evans didnt even choke at all, the defender knocked it out. Wow, I cant believe he is catching (haha) shiat for that. Seriously.
 
2012-01-23 12:46:56 PM

jaylectricity: wooden_badger: jaylectricity: Receiver Lee Evans dropped a perfectly thrown touchdown pass with 27 seconds left in the game which would have given the Ravens a four-point victory

That wasn't a drop, homeboy. That was a pass defensed.

In the regular season, that's DPI.

/good thing it's not regular season.

You are insane. The defender didn't even touch the receiver...just the ball.


Definitely not insane.

Just knows the incompetence of the typical flag-happy sports official.
 
2012-01-23 12:47:06 PM

Super Chronic: First sentence, and that's where I stopped reading. Yes, you can argue that they had a chance to win, of course. But this "nuh-uh, we're still better than them" crap is just asinine. If you were the best team in the AFC, you'd have had home field advantage. You wouldn't have struggled to beat T.J. Yates in the playoffs. You wouldn't have lost to the farking Seahawks in the regular season (at a point in the season before the Seahawks actually got kinda good). Get over yourselves.


We were the start of the Seahawks' end run this season. If you want to point to a humiliating defeat, use the Jacksonville loss.

We weren't the best team in the AFC this year, though, and not because we lost to Jacksonville or Seattle or finished at 12-4 instead of 13-3. We weren't the best team in the AFC because we aren't going to the Super Bowl, same as the Packers weren't the best team in the NFC this season. Regular season wins & losses only matter to the teams who don't make the playoffs.
 
2012-01-23 12:47:13 PM

tortilla burger: Normally I'm pretty harsh on Flacco because of his inconsistency. But I'm not pinning this one on him. He did well enough to not be a liability to his team.


If by "not be a liability" you mean, "carried the offense" then I'd have to agree with you.
 
2012-01-23 12:47:48 PM
Wouldn't a strip indicate he had possession, and was therefore in control of the ball at one point while he was in the endzone?

When watching it in slow motion, he had the ball cradled for almost two full steps before the defender pushed it out of his hands. How long does he have to have control of the ball for it to count? A running back would just have to have the top of the ball cross the plane, and immediately losing it after that point wouldn't matter.

As a New Englander, I am happy for the win, but I was surprised that the pass wasn't ruled as a touchdown.
 
2012-01-23 12:48:26 PM
The Ravens are my AFC team. I watched the whole game.

It was a bitterly fought battle and they were 1 stripped TD away from a win and a missed FG away from a tie.

The phrase "choke" is so overused it doesn't even have meaning anymore. They lost, but we'll move on with our lives.
 
2012-01-23 12:50:20 PM
Now that I read the thread, some of you people are delusional or something. Lee Evans did nothing wrong on that play and didnt choke, the defender knocked it out cleanly and before Evans could even get possession. Seriously are you people blind or just revisionist.
 
2012-01-23 12:50:28 PM

mikaloyd: HE WAS TOLD DEFENSE WOULD WIN THE CHAMPIONSHIP DAMMIT!


Defense may not always win championships, but special teams can surely lose them. At least that was the message last night.

/and for the 49ers, Y U no run Gore?
 
2012-01-23 12:52:08 PM
The butthurt in the first line of the article is priceless:

"For the second straight year, the best team in the American Football Conference will not be playing in the Super Bowl."

Cry some more.
 
2012-01-23 12:52:34 PM
I don't particularly want to get involved in whining about this. The Ravens had a good season, and had plenty of chances in that game where they could have made plays. That said, Evans just had to hold on to the ball and nothing else would have mattered. Just like Greg Jennings.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d824bc335/Jennin g s-20-yard-TD-catch

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d826396cc/Evans- d ropped-pass-costs-Ravens
 
2012-01-23 12:52:47 PM

Cubicle Jockey: When watching it in slow motion, he had the ball cradled for almost two full steps before the defender pushed it out of his hands. How long does he have to have control of the ball for it to count? A running back would just have to have the top of the ball cross the plane, and immediately losing it after that point wouldn't matter.

As a New Englander, I am happy for the win, but I was surprised that the pass wasn't ruled as a touchdown.


The NFL rule is that on a reception in the end zone, the receiver has to complete the act of catching the ball and establish possession in the end zone before it is ruled a touchdown. Evans did not complete the act of catching the ball.

And just for the record, all of you saying the drop wasn't his fault are wrong. He's a veteran receiver in the NFL; this was his 8th season in the league. He should know that you have to protect the ball in a situation like that, whether by twisting away from the defender or by going to the ground as he's catching it. Not to take anything away from the Pats' DB on the play--he had an opportunity to knock the ball away and took advantage of it. Just saying that he shouldn't have been given that opportunity.
 
2012-01-23 12:54:26 PM

uncoveror: Lee Evans closed his eyes in the replay I saw. He flinched because he knew he was about to be hit. With open eyes, he could have pulled that ball away from a defender trying to strip the ball. Blame him, not Cundiff.


Cris Carter was talking on Mike & Mike this morning about that play. He said Evans should have gone to the ground while making the catch instead of trying to run away from the defender. He was blaming Evans more than the missed kick.
 
2012-01-23 12:56:14 PM
You could put up only 20 points on one of the worst defenses in the league. The Ravens offense has consistently sucked for the last decade. That's why they can't beat the really good teams in the playoffs; you can't win if you can't put up points. Defense wins championships, sure, but you need something better than the 15th ranked offense in the league, especially when your numbers are inflated considering you're matched up against the softest two divisions in the league (AFC South and NFC West). Don't blame the kicker, blame the front office for a defense-first mindset.
 
2012-01-23 01:00:59 PM

you have pee hands: Cris Carter was talking on Mike & Mike this morning about that play. He said Evans should have gone to the ground while making the catch instead of trying to run away from the defender. He was blaming Evans more than the missed kick.


I'm not sure why anyone even cares what some losers on a random internet forum think.

Lee Evans HIMSELF blames Lee Evans. That's pretty much all you need.
 
2012-01-23 01:00:59 PM

degenerate-afro: tortilla burger: Normally I'm pretty harsh on Flacco because of his inconsistency. But I'm not pinning this one on him. He did well enough to not be a liability to his team.

If by "not be a liability" you mean, "carried the offense" then I'd have to agree with you.


We'll put Flacco right up there with the Chad Henees, Matt Moores, Rex Grossmans, and Dan Orlovskys of the world, who also put up at least 2 Tds and 1 int against the 31st pass defense in the league this year.

Its been 4 years and we have plenty of data on Flacco. He's not Kyle Boller. He's not Joe Montana. He's Carson Palmer. He'll win you a playoff game, but you're not going to the superbowl with him.
 
2012-01-23 01:04:27 PM

Cubicle Jockey: When watching it in slow motion, he had the ball cradled for almost two full steps before the defender pushed it out of his hands. How long does he have to have control of the ball for it to count? A running back would just have to have the top of the ball cross the plane, and immediately losing it after that point wouldn't matter.


A reception in the end zone is different than running it in (or catching it outside and running it in). See "The Calvin Johnson rule". Anything short of keeping the ball in your hands through the security check at the airport for the flight home is "incomplete" (under current rules).
 
2012-01-23 01:05:31 PM

you have pee hands: uncoveror: Lee Evans closed his eyes in the replay I saw. He flinched because he knew he was about to be hit. With open eyes, he could have pulled that ball away from a defender trying to strip the ball. Blame him, not Cundiff.

Cris Carter was talking on Mike & Mike this morning about that play. He said Evans should have gone to the ground while making the catch instead of trying to run away from the defender. He was blaming Evans more than the missed kick.


And I hate to quote Phil Simms, but I think he pointed out that Evans "relaxed" instead of completing the play which would have sent the Ravens to the Bowl. You're a big boy, Lee. Make the catch. But also, you're a pro kicker, Billy, make the kick. Ravens had 2 chances to win/tie and blew them both.

Now Flacco can shave that god awful hair off his face. The derp is strong with him.
 
2012-01-23 01:05:41 PM
www.sportslogos.net
He's just sad he doesn't get a hat.
 
2012-01-23 01:05:52 PM

meddleRPI: death


Little known fact: Omar is a HUGE Ravens fan
 
2012-01-23 01:06:03 PM

facisto: degenerate-afro: tortilla burger: Normally I'm pretty harsh on Flacco because of his inconsistency. But I'm not pinning this one on him. He did well enough to not be a liability to his team.

If by "not be a liability" you mean, "carried the offense" then I'd have to agree with you.

We'll put Flacco right up there with the Chad Henees, Matt Moores, Rex Grossmans, and Dan Orlovskys of the world, who also put up at least 2 Tds and 1 int against the 31st pass defense in the league this year.


Okay then, please explain who on the Ravens offense was carrying the team if not Flacco? it certainly wasn't Rice or Willaims. The offensive line couldn't stop Wilfork. The WR were also dropping balls (and I'm not talking about just Evans). How are these things Flacco's fault?
 
2012-01-23 01:07:27 PM
If I'm the Ravens, I'd sign Peyton Manning the day he's released. Flacco stinks.
 
2012-01-23 01:08:15 PM
Why did Flacco not scramble for that first down on 2nd or 3rd (can't remember which, whatever play he ended up throwing it at a receiver's feet) and 1? IIRC there was only one D-lineman in front of him that could have possibly prevented him from getting a yard, and he was getting handled pretty well by one of the Ravens' O-line. He maybe even could have gotten to the end zone, but I'm not gonna go that far.
 
2012-01-23 01:08:44 PM
I dont care what game it is, what team it is. Guys, if you leave it up to the kicker, someone ELSE farked up before he did. You gotta put it to bed without playing soccer.

The kicker is like the last hope of a team that screwed up and doesnt want to admit it. then when he fails, pins it ALL on him to make themselves feel better.
 
2012-01-23 01:09:33 PM
Chokers generally fight like junkyard dogs to get anywhere, then come ohsoclose before flopping on their faces. A 4th-year QB under a 4th-year Head Coach winning playoff games in each of those 4 years looks more like Peyton Manning than Karl Malone.

Of course Scott Norwood was a Pro-Bowler (and All-Pro, in 1988) who broke OJ Simpson's team record for most points, but all you know him for is "No good! Wide right!!", and Bill Buckner would be in the Hall of Fame if he'd been sat for the 9th inning. So this will be labeled a "choke job" even though the team played far better than most people would have thought).

Let's keep the perspective, here. Flacco's still younger than John Elway was when he won his first SB, and a far better QB than Dilfer was with Baltimore.

// no, wait, my team just lost
// LET'S BURN THIS MOTHERFARKER DOWN!!!
// also a UMD alum, so we know how to riot
// "Did you see the pool?! They flipped the biatch!"
 
2012-01-23 01:09:59 PM

poisonedpawn78: I dont care what game it is, what team it is. Guys, if you leave it up to the kicker, someone ELSE farked up before he did. You gotta put it to bed without playing soccer.

The kicker is like the last hope of a team that screwed up and doesnt want to admit it. then when he fails, pins it ALL on him to make themselves feel better.



And now we all know Scott Norwood's FARK handle.

Just kidding. I agree with you.
 
2012-01-23 01:10:59 PM

degenerate-afro: facisto: degenerate-afro: tortilla burger: Normally I'm pretty harsh on Flacco because of his inconsistency. But I'm not pinning this one on him. He did well enough to not be a liability to his team.

If by "not be a liability" you mean, "carried the offense" then I'd have to agree with you.

We'll put Flacco right up there with the Chad Henees, Matt Moores, Rex Grossmans, and Dan Orlovskys of the world, who also put up at least 2 Tds and 1 int against the 31st pass defense in the league this year.

Okay then, please explain who on the Ravens offense was carrying the team if not Flacco? it certainly wasn't Rice or Willaims. The offensive line couldn't stop Wilfork. The WR were also dropping balls (and I'm not talking about just Evans). How are these things Flacco's fault?


Who cares? They scored two touchdowns and two field goals, do we really have to argue over who gets the most credit for an offense that didn't score enough to win?
 
2012-01-23 01:11:52 PM

logggur: Why did Flacco not scramble for that first down on 2nd or 3rd (can't remember which, whatever play he ended up throwing it at a receiver's feet) and 1? IIRC there was only one D-lineman in front of him that could have possibly prevented him from getting a yard, and he was getting handled pretty well by one of the Ravens' O-line. He maybe even could have gotten to the end zone, but I'm not gonna go that far.


Because like Smith on the Niners and Sanchez on the Jets he is only almost good enough to go all the way. Embrace this fact and games like yesterday will be easier.
 
2012-01-23 01:12:17 PM

logggur: Why did Flacco not scramble for that first down on 2nd or 3rd (can't remember which, whatever play he ended up throwing it at a receiver's feet) and 1? IIRC there was only one D-lineman in front of him that could have possibly prevented him from getting a yard, and he was getting handled pretty well by one of the Ravens' O-line. He maybe even could have gotten to the end zone, but I'm not gonna go that far.


I'd say he chose correctly. QBs running with the ball can be dangerous not only for their health but ball security becomes suspect. Losing the ball after getting hit by a defensive lineman would jeopardize their chances of winning more than simply giving up the first down to kick an extremely manageable field goal.
 
2012-01-23 01:13:11 PM

stevie1der: Who cares? They scored two touchdowns and two field goals, do we really have to argue over who gets the most credit for an offense that didn't score enough to win?


You've been watching football for what, 3-4 weeks now?
 
2012-01-23 01:16:41 PM

mikaloyd: Because like Smith on the Niners and Sanchez on the Jets he is only almost good enough to go all the way. Embrace this fact and games like yesterday will be easier.


Yeah, he totally should have caught that perfectly thrown touchdown pass that he threw.

/Your argument is sound if you make it about our receivers.
 
2012-01-23 01:20:04 PM

asmodeus224: The butthurt in the first line of the article is priceless:

"For the second straight year, the best team in the American Football Conference will not be playing in the Super Bowl."

Cry some more.


I've noticed that a lot from some die-hard Baltimore fans. It's one thing to root for your team, its entirely another to refuse to admit they're not gods. Nothing is ever their fault.

Maybe that's true in any football city, but Baltimore has it the worst I've seen.

The kick would have tied it. All that gets you is overtime.
 
2012-01-23 01:20:21 PM

Brother_Mouzone: Now that I read the thread, some of you people are delusional or something. Lee Evans did nothing wrong on that play and didnt choke, the defender knocked it out cleanly and before Evans could even get possession. Seriously are you people blind or just revisionist.


Yeah, it was like a millisecond between when he got the ball in his hands and the defender, in a very heads-up play, punched it out of before he could have full possession. My Bills (Evans' former team) had almost an identical play this year to prevent a touchdown and save a win. Good defense, nothing more, nothing less.

Now Williams getting the ball stripped during the return for the Niners. THAT was bad ball protection.
 
2012-01-23 01:23:39 PM

degenerate-afro: facisto: degenerate-afro: tortilla burger: Normally I'm pretty harsh on Flacco because of his inconsistency. But I'm not pinning this one on him. He did well enough to not be a liability to his team.

If by "not be a liability" you mean, "carried the offense" then I'd have to agree with you.

We'll put Flacco right up there with the Chad Henees, Matt Moores, Rex Grossmans, and Dan Orlovskys of the world, who also put up at least 2 Tds and 1 int against the 31st pass defense in the league this year.

Okay then, please explain who on the Ravens offense was carrying the team if not Flacco? it certainly wasn't Rice or Willaims. The offensive line couldn't stop Wilfork. The WR were also dropping balls (and I'm not talking about just Evans). How are these things Flacco's fault?


I didn't say that Flacco didn't carry them. I'm saying that he carried them to a loss. Because he's not that good. And then I put up reasonable comparisons with terrible quarterbacks who put up as good if not better numbers against the pats this year and still lost. Baltimore's defense held the Patriots to one of their lowest scoring outings of the season. Those other garbage quarterbacks that I mentioned? They put up enough to beat the pats if they had baltimore's defense, and they didn't have Anquan Boldin or Torry Smith to throw it to.
 
2012-01-23 01:29:42 PM

GoodyearPimp: Cubicle Jockey: When watching it in slow motion, he had the ball cradled for almost two full steps before the defender pushed it out of his hands. How long does he have to have control of the ball for it to count? A running back would just have to have the top of the ball cross the plane, and immediately losing it after that point wouldn't matter.

A reception in the end zone is different than running it in (or catching it outside and running it in). See "The Calvin Johnson rule". Anything short of keeping the ball in your hands through the security check at the airport for the flight home is "incomplete" (under current rules).


The Calvin Johnson non-catch had nothing to do with the end zone and everything to do with the fact he was falling to the ground. If you're falling to the ground while catching a pass, you must maintain control when you hit the ground. End zone, out of bounds or 50 yard line, it's the same. So don't confuse the CJ Rule with the end zone.

How long a receiver has to control the ball before it's a catch is highly subjective and no one seems to agree on it, so I won't even touch that. I did want to say that comparing a catch to a running back breaking the plane of the goal line is comparing two different things. When the RB has the ball, unless he's fumbling he already has possession. So, all he has to do is break the goal line with 1 nanometer of the ball and it's instantly a TD. The receiver catching the ball in the end zone, however, has not yet caught the ball and so doesn't have possession. The instant the officials think he has possession it's a TD, but getting possession is not an instantaneous thing. Otherwise, it would be a TD as soon as someone managed to touch the ball with two hands, even if he dropped it.
 
2012-01-23 01:29:43 PM

Harv72b: stevie1der: Who cares? They scored two touchdowns and two field goals, do we really have to argue over who gets the most credit for an offense that didn't score enough to win?

You've been watching football for what, 3-4 weeks now?


I've watched plenty of football, just find it humorous that here's a back and forth about how much credit Flacco should be given for an offense that in the end came up short. There were plenty of opportunities before that last drive to make one or two more plays to set up an easy field goal, but the offense stalled. That last kick by Cundiff SHOULD have been for the win. In the end it's a pointless exercise. They didn't get the job done, who cares who was most responsible for almost getting the job done.
 
2012-01-23 01:32:45 PM
I for one am happy to have a Harbaugh free Superbowl weekend
 
2012-01-23 01:34:08 PM

facisto: Its been 4 years and we have plenty of data on Flacco. He's not Kyle Boller. He's not Joe Montana. He's Carson Palmer. He'll win you a playoff game, but you're not going to the superbowl with him.


Carson Palmer has never won a playoff game. Flacco is better than Palmer. I see him as a lesser version of Donovan McNabb. Get him some receivers and keep the defense in tact and maybe the Ravens could be better than also-rans.
 
2012-01-23 01:35:35 PM
i56.tinypic.com
 
2012-01-23 01:37:20 PM

GoodyearPimp: A reception in the end zone is different than running it in (or catching it outside and running it in). See "The Calvin Johnson rule". Anything short of keeping the ball in your hands through the security check at the airport for the flight home is "incomplete" (under current rules).


The Calvin Johnson rule has nothing to do with this.

If Evan got his 2nd foot down before the strip it would have been a TD.
 
2012-01-23 01:40:20 PM

facisto: And then I put up reasonable comparisons with terrible quarterbacks who put up as good if not better numbers against the pats this year and still lost. Baltimore's defense held the Patriots to one of their lowest scoring outings of the season. Those other garbage quarterbacks that I mentioned? They put up enough to beat the pats if they had baltimore's defense, and they didn't have Anquan Boldin or Torry Smith to throw it to.


Eli Manning vs. NE: 20/39, 250, 2TD, 1INT, 78.0 QB rating
Phillip Rivers: 29/40, 387, 2TD, 2INT, 98.6 QB rating
Tony Romo: 27/41, 317, 1, 1, 87.1
Ben Roethlisberger: 36/50, 365, 2, 1, 97.5
Joe Flacco: 22/36, 306, 2, 1, 95.4

What was your point again?
 
2012-01-23 01:44:14 PM

stevie1der: They didn't get the job done, who cares who was most responsible for almost getting the job done.


Quite a few people, obviously. But you're right, be sure to come back and explain some more how you don't.
 
2012-01-23 01:44:23 PM

facisto: degenerate-afro: facisto: degenerate-afro: tortilla burger: Normally I'm pretty harsh on Flacco because of his inconsistency. But I'm not pinning this one on him. He did well enough to not be a liability to his team.

If by "not be a liability" you mean, "carried the offense" then I'd have to agree with you.

We'll put Flacco right up there with the Chad Henees, Matt Moores, Rex Grossmans, and Dan Orlovskys of the world, who also put up at least 2 Tds and 1 int against the 31st pass defense in the league this year.

Okay then, please explain who on the Ravens offense was carrying the team if not Flacco? it certainly wasn't Rice or Willaims. The offensive line couldn't stop Wilfork. The WR were also dropping balls (and I'm not talking about just Evans). How are these things Flacco's fault?

I didn't say that Flacco didn't carry them. I'm saying that he carried them to a loss. Because he's not that good. And then I put up reasonable comparisons with terrible quarterbacks who put up as good if not better numbers against the pats this year and still lost. Baltimore's defense held the Patriots to one of their lowest scoring outings of the season. Those other garbage quarterbacks that I mentioned? They put up enough to beat the pats if they had baltimore's defense, and they didn't have Anquan Boldin or Torry Smith to throw it to.


They didn't have Anquan Boldin and Torry Smith dropping passes either. Did you not watch the game?
 
2012-01-23 01:47:26 PM

asmodeus224: The butthurt in the first line of the article is priceless:

"For the second straight year, the best team in the American Football Conference will not be playing in the Super Bowl."

Cry some more.


That line is farking spectacular. I might have to actually RTFA to soak in the rage.

/wanted Ravens to win
 
2012-01-23 01:51:48 PM

degenerate-afro: They didn't have Anquan Boldin and Torry Smith dropping passes either. Did you not watch the game?


The Ravens had two players (Boldin and Ray Rice) finish in the top 10 for passes dropped this season--pretty amazing when you take into account that we ranked 18th in passes attempted. I only remember Torrey having one maybe drop in the game yesterday, but Boldin and Ed Dickson picked up the slack for him.

/Not knocking Boldin at all; he may not have the surest hands in the league, but he had a big game yesterday even with the drops, and single-handedly turned the game against Arizona around for us.
 
2012-01-23 01:54:38 PM

Harv72b: stevie1der: They didn't get the job done, who cares who was most responsible for almost getting the job done.

Quite a few people, obviously. But you're right, be sure to come back and explain some more how you don't.


You're right. I turned into a That Guy (aka thread critic). My bad, sorry for that.

degenerate-afro: They didn't have Anquan Boldin and Torry Smith dropping passes either. Did you not watch the game?


Torry Smith made a heck of a play on that 29 yard TD catch and run. If he doesn't break that tackle, it's a loss and 4th down. You win some, you lose some.
 
2012-01-23 01:58:51 PM

mikaloyd:

Because like Smith on the Niners and Sanchez on the Jets he is only almost good enough to go all the way. Embrace this fact and games like yesterday will be easier.


Yeah, I'm not a Ravens fan. Nice try, though.

tortilla burger:

I'd say he chose correctly. QBs running with the ball can be dangerous not only for their health but ball security becomes suspect. Losing the ball after getting hit by a defensive lineman would jeopardize their chances of winning more than simply giving up the first down to kick an extremely manageable field goal.


That's true. It just seemed like he had a ton of room to get up there and then slide. I could be misremembering precisely how much room we're talkin', though. Also at what point does the chance to go to the superbowl outweigh the chance of fumbling? Smith wasn't too shy about running and it definitely helped the 9ers get past the Saints.
 
2012-01-23 02:00:09 PM

stevie1der: Torry Smith made a heck of a play on that 29 yard TD catch and run. If he doesn't break that tackle, it's a loss and 4th down. You win some, you lose some.


Torrey is rapidly becoming one of my favorite Ravens, and it is so nice as a Ravens fan to finally have a legitimate deep threat on the team. From his twitter last night:

This offseason I'm gonna grind so hard...I'm gonna give the NFL hell...watch the improvement

Great attitude from a guy who already overproduced in his rookie season (remember he went in the late 2nd round).
 
2012-01-23 02:03:42 PM

Cubicle Jockey: Wouldn't a strip indicate he had possession, and was therefore in control of the ball at one point while he was in the endzone?

When watching it in slow motion, he had the ball cradled for almost two full steps before the defender pushed it out of his hands. How long does he have to have control of the ball for it to count? A running back would just have to have the top of the ball cross the plane, and immediately losing it after that point wouldn't matter.

As a New Englander, I am happy for the win, but I was surprised that the pass wasn't ruled as a touchdown.


As a receiver, according to the rules this year, once contact is made by the defender, you have to maintain control of the ball all the way through the "catch", however that is defined. That usually means the receiver has to go to the ground with the ball in complete control. ESPN is talking about how that was a controversial call, but it was clear by that rule that it was an incomplete. it was nowhere near as bad as Calvin Johnson's non-TD in week 1 (iirc).
 
2012-01-23 02:06:10 PM

Harv72b: stevie1der: Torry Smith made a heck of a play on that 29 yard TD catch and run. If he doesn't break that tackle, it's a loss and 4th down. You win some, you lose some.

Torrey is rapidly becoming one of my favorite Ravens, and it is so nice as a Ravens fan to finally have a legitimate deep threat on the team. From his twitter last night:

This offseason I'm gonna grind so hard...I'm gonna give the NFL hell...watch the improvement

Great attitude from a guy who already overproduced in his rookie season (remember he went in the late 2nd round).


I believe him. If he gets hands like Fitz or Johnson, the NFL will have to watch out. That's what he's going to work on during the off season.
 
2012-01-23 02:06:27 PM

Harv72b: stevie1der: Torry Smith made a heck of a play on that 29 yard TD catch and run. If he doesn't break that tackle, it's a loss and 4th down. You win some, you lose some.

Torrey is rapidly becoming one of my favorite Ravens, and it is so nice as a Ravens fan to finally have a legitimate deep threat on the team. From his twitter last night:

This offseason I'm gonna grind so hard...I'm gonna give the NFL hell...watch the improvement

Great attitude from a guy who already overproduced in his rookie season (remember he went in the late 2nd round).


I hope he trains with DeSean Jackson and not Victor Cruz. Smith has a lot of potential and for my own selfish reasons I hope he never achieves it.
 
2012-01-23 02:07:01 PM

Richard Sauce: On the play before the missed FG, Flacco was rolling right. He tried to force one into Pitta for the score, but had he checked down to a wide open Ray Rice they could have gotten the first down, called time out, taken a shot at the endzone, and then kicked the FG if that shot fell incomplete. I know hindsight is 20/20, but he was trying to force one to Pitta instead of taking what the defense was giving. As a Giants fan I was even a little annoyed at Eli for trying to force balls into Cruz in the 4th quarter rather than hitting other guys who were more open or in single coverage. Sometimes QB's get tunnel vision for their favorite target and it can cost them.


Or it sure looked like he could have just run for the yard they needed and again called the time out. 3 shots at the endzone seem like pretty decent odds.
 
2012-01-23 02:10:58 PM
The pats are even better chokers than the ravens.

/19-and-uh oh
 
2012-01-23 02:12:02 PM

degenerate-afro: They didn't have Anquan Boldin and Torry Smith dropping passes either. Did you not watch the game?


No, they hand Brandon Marshall and Santana Moss drop their passes, and they still put up more points.

Harv72b: facisto: And then I put up reasonable comparisons with terrible quarterbacks who put up as good if not better numbers against the pats this year and still lost. Baltimore's defense held the Patriots to one of their lowest scoring outings of the season. Those other garbage quarterbacks that I mentioned? They put up enough to beat the pats if they had baltimore's defense, and they didn't have Anquan Boldin or Torry Smith to throw it to.

Eli Manning vs. NE: 20/39, 250, 2TD, 1INT, 78.0 QB rating
Phillip Rivers: 29/40, 387, 2TD, 2INT, 98.6 QB rating
Tony Romo: 27/41, 317, 1, 1, 87.1
Ben Roethlisberger: 36/50, 365, 2, 1, 97.5
Joe Flacco: 22/36, 306, 2, 1, 95.4

What was your point again?


That if the terrible quarterbacks I mentioned had baltimore's defense they would have beaten the pats. That Flacco is in actuality, mediocre at best. What was your point? Because it looks like you're saying that better quarterbacks with comparable defenses were able to beat the pats, and overrated quarterbacks with worse defenses also failed to beat the pats. Glad we're in agreement.
 
2012-01-23 02:23:40 PM

AdmirableSnackbar: Carson Palmer has never won a playoff game. Flacco is better than Palmer. I see him as a lesser version of Donovan McNabb.


That is a more apt comparison.
 
2012-01-23 02:27:28 PM
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2012-01-23 02:28:19 PM

Publikwerks: [www.sportslogos.net image 521x436]
He's just sad he doesn't get a hat.


I see it was also still real to you

/dammit
//tiny fist
 
2012-01-23 02:29:33 PM

oldernell: I wonder how many death threats the kicker has received.


I'd be a little surprised if he turned up floating in Baltimore Harbor with a hole or two in his head. But only a little.
 
2012-01-23 02:29:42 PM

Harv72b: We weren't the best team in the AFC this year, though, and not because we lost to Jacksonville or Seattle or finished at 12-4 instead of 13-3. We weren't the best team in the AFC because we aren't going to the Super Bowl, same as the Packers weren't the best team in the NFC this season. Regular season wins & losses only matter to the teams who don't make the playoffs.


That's a fact

Except our 12-4 wasn't as pretty and champion-y as yours
 
2012-01-23 02:31:40 PM

Harv72b: This offseason I'm gonna grind so hard...I'm gonna give the NFL hell...watch the improvement


EEP!
 
2012-01-23 02:36:45 PM

facisto: That if the terrible quarterbacks I mentioned had baltimore's defense they would have beaten the pats. That Flacco is in actuality, mediocre at best. What was your point? Because it looks like you're saying that better quarterbacks with comparable defenses were able to beat the pats, and overrated quarterbacks with worse defenses also failed to beat the pats. Glad we're in agreement.


Oh, okay. I thought you were saying that because Flacco failed to produce better numbers than Chad Henne, Rex Grossman, et al, he was as bad or worse than they are. Now I see that your point was that Miami, Washington, Indianapolis, etc. have worse defenses than Baltimore and that Flacco is a bad quarterback because...wait, no, that's not it. You're saying that because Eli Manning and Ben Roethlisberger put up pretty much equal numbers to Flacco, it's Flacco's fault that he didn't win where they did...no, that doesn't make sense either. Okay, I get it--you're saying that Flacco is better than Romo and Rivers because...hold on.

Basically, you're saying that you have no point and just wanted to get a rise out of Baltimore fans/people with a grasp on reality by trolling out that Flacco is worse than a bunch of non-starters in the league without having any factual arguments to back it up. Okay, that does make sense.

/For the ump-millionth time, which will no doubt bounce off your skull the same as it has every other time it's been said, Flacco can't catch his own touchdowns. If Evans holds on to that ball (or Dickson or Boldin hold on to a couple earlier in the game), this thread is about how Tom Brady couldn't overcome how bad his defense is.
 
2012-01-23 02:39:54 PM

CPT Ethanolic: The Ravens should have called a timeout. They rushed the kicker out and got exactly what you get when you rush a kicker onto the field.


i think they were expecting Belicheck to call the timeout there - pull an ice the kicker job. He didn't, but he did. he didn't call the timeout. the kicker was iced.
 
2012-01-23 02:47:34 PM

SlothB77: i think they were expecting Belicheck to call the timeout there - pull an ice the kicker job. He didn't, but he did. he didn't call the timeout. the kicker was iced.


Being from Boston, I have heard a lot of dumb "Belichick is a genius" statements before, but this is the dumbest ever if you intended it that way.
 
2012-01-23 03:05:38 PM

WinoRhino: Being from Boston, I have heard a lot of dumb "Belichick is a genius" statements before, but this is the dumbest ever if you intended it that way.


I know that I was expecting the time out, but I don't think it not being called had any effect on the kick. Once the ball is snapped everything else is automatic.
 
2012-01-23 03:07:11 PM

DanZero: Except our 12-4 wasn't as pretty and champion-y as yours


Perhaps, but in the end all it wound up meaning is that we pick 6 spots after you in the draft.
 
2012-01-23 03:11:56 PM

WinoRhino: SlothB77: i think they were expecting Belicheck to call the timeout there - pull an ice the kicker job. He didn't, but he did. he didn't call the timeout. the kicker was iced.

Being from Boston, I have heard a lot of dumb "Belichick is a genius" statements before, but this is the dumbest ever if you intended it that way.


I think coaches try to be too smart by half and call the timeout. Kickers expect it. And it doesn't really work. I find it refreshing Belichick didn't try to pull that. It doesn't mean he is a genius. Just means four less stupid commercials to watch before watching the ravens blow it.
 
2012-01-23 03:19:57 PM

Harv72b: facisto: That if the terrible quarterbacks I mentioned had baltimore's defense they would have beaten the pats. That Flacco is in actuality, mediocre at best. What was your point? Because it looks like you're saying that better quarterbacks with comparable defenses were able to beat the pats, and overrated quarterbacks with worse defenses also failed to beat the pats. Glad we're in agreement.

Oh, okay. I thought you were saying that because Flacco failed to produce better numbers than Chad Henne, Rex Grossman, et al, he was as bad or worse than they are. Now I see that your point was that Miami, Washington, Indianapolis, etc. have worse defenses than Baltimore and that Flacco is a bad quarterback because...wait, no, that's not it. You're saying that because Eli Manning and Ben Roethlisberger put up pretty much equal numbers to Flacco, it's Flacco's fault that he didn't win where they did...no, that doesn't make sense either. Okay, I get it--you're saying that Flacco is better than Romo and Rivers because...hold on.

Basically, you're saying that you have no point and just wanted to get a rise out of Baltimore fans/people with a grasp on reality by trolling out that Flacco is worse than a bunch of non-starters in the league without having any factual arguments to back it up. Okay, that does make sense.

/For the ump-millionth time, which will no doubt bounce off your skull the same as it has every other time it's been said, Flacco can't catch his own touchdowns. If Evans holds on to that ball (or Dickson or Boldin hold on to a couple earlier in the game), this thread is about how Tom Brady couldn't overcome how bad his defense is.


Or maybe that if Flacco was as good as his apologists make him out to be he would have been able to carve up New England's 31st ranked secondary for more than 20 points. But clearly he was 22/36 with 14 dropped passes. And I imagined him going three and out on his first three possessions. The fact is that those bad quarterbacks that I mentioned suffered from the same problems Flacco ran into like dropped passes and still managed to put up more points than him with less talent.

If Flacco were good, he would have overcame those mistakes. If he were good, not great mind you, just good, then he would have been able to put the ravens in position where they don't have to make a last minute drive to come from behind to win or tie. That's what good quarterbacks do. Its the 31st ranked passing defense made up of practice squad rejects that made quarterbacks like Dan Orlovsky and Matt Moore look like Steve Young. Flacco leads that offense and that offense put up 20.
 
2012-01-23 03:27:14 PM
Only this and nothing more...

www.midwestsportsfans.com
 
2012-01-23 03:32:03 PM

facisto: Or maybe that if Flacco was as good as his apologists make him out to be he would have been able to carve up New England's 31st ranked secondary for more than 20 points


I don't like Flacco or the Ravens, but he played much better than Brady. I don't know what you're going on about. In fact, he may have been the best QB of the day, in both games.

Also he put the ball into the hands of a receiver for a game-winning TD. Not much more you can ask of a QB.
 
2012-01-23 03:36:54 PM

Harv72b: DanZero: Except our 12-4 wasn't as pretty and champion-y as yours

Perhaps, but in the end all it wound up meaning is that we pick 6 spots after you in the draft.


Posts like this are why I like you. It's a shame that there are so few Baltimore Ravens fans that are like you and so many that are like facisto.
 
2012-01-23 03:40:00 PM

facisto: more derp rooted in nothing factual


So...you still don't have a point?

More actual facts: The Patriots defense allowed an average passer rating to opposing quarterbacks of 86.1. Flacco surpassed that easily, despite the drops (I love how all the other quarterbacks suffered the same number of drops without any actual figures to back that up). Eli Manning, who by your standards must be far worse than Flacco, came in well under it. The Pats surrendered 294 yards per game...Flacco surpassed that. The Pats gave up 1.6 TD passes per game...Flacco threw 2. They picked off 1.4 passes per game...Flacco threw one interception (on an admittedly terrible pass).

Manning has Nicks and Cruz to throw to. Roethlisberger has Wallace and Brown. Brady has Welker and Gronkowski...we can go down the list. Flacco has Boldin (tied for 10th in the league in drops) and Torrey Smith (a rookie second-rounder).

But, I guess by your lofty standards any quarterback who has ever suffered a loss is terrible, because he didn't single-handedly overcome all of his team's mistakes. So, by that standard, Flacco is indeed a terrible quarterback, just like every other one in the league.

Go ahead and make your point when you have something besides unfounded opinions and ignorant statements to back it up.
 
2012-01-23 03:42:45 PM

facisto: AdmirableSnackbar: Carson Palmer has never won a playoff game. Flacco is better than Palmer. I see him as a lesser version of Donovan McNabb.

That is a more apt comparison.


Flacco is the love child of Palmer and McNabb
 
2012-01-23 03:43:17 PM

AdmirableSnackbar: It's a shame that there are so few Baltimore Ravens fans that are like you and so many that are like facisto.


It's partially my fault for egging him on, but I just enjoy statistics too much to not build my case. :)

I hate having to look forward to the draft before the season is over.
 
2012-01-23 03:51:05 PM
Is this where I start slobbing on Brady's knob?

Because seriously, if the Patriots win the SB then he's officaly the greatest QB in the history of the sport at that point.
 
2012-01-23 03:51:31 PM
Came close to having 2 OT games this weekend. Special teams determined both games. The missed chip shot FG AND the muffed punt to give the Gints a TD, followed by the fumble during a punt return that gave them the postion for the winning FG.
 
2012-01-23 04:06:59 PM

AdmirableSnackbar: Harv72b: DanZero: Except our 12-4 wasn't as pretty and champion-y as yours

Perhaps, but in the end all it wound up meaning is that we pick 6 spots after you in the draft.

Posts like this are why I like you. It's a shame that there are so few Baltimore Ravens fans that are like you and so many that are like facisto.


He's a Ravens fan?
 
2012-01-23 04:16:33 PM

degenerate-afro: AdmirableSnackbar: Harv72b: DanZero: Except our 12-4 wasn't as pretty and champion-y as yours

Perhaps, but in the end all it wound up meaning is that we pick 6 spots after you in the draft.

Posts like this are why I like you. It's a shame that there are so few Baltimore Ravens fans that are like you and so many that are like facisto.

He's a Ravens fan?


He's acting like one.
 
2012-01-23 04:16:47 PM

Jim from Saint Paul: Is this where I start slobbing on Brady's knob?


You'd only be getting sloppy seconds (fifths) from Colin Cowherd.
 
2012-01-23 04:17:19 PM

DupeOfURL: Came close to having 2 OT games this weekend. Special teams determined both games. The missed chip shot FG AND the muffed punt to give the Gints a TD, followed by the fumble during a punt return that gave them the postion for the winning FG.


I didn't see the end of the SF/NY game but it sounded like ridiculous mistakes determined both games. None of the 4 teams played great football yesterday, IMHO.
 
2012-01-23 04:17:21 PM

DupeOfURL: Came close to having 2 OT games this weekend. Special teams determined both games. The missed chip shot FG AND the muffed punt to give the Gints a TD, followed by the fumble during a punt return that gave them the postion for the winning FG.


The biggest winner yesterday was the NFL. They got their big-market team in the Super Bowl along with their biggest seller, and they had two exciting games that came down to the last minute. Plus they have two compelling QB stories going into the game.
 
2012-01-23 04:22:42 PM

WinoRhino: SlothB77: i think they were expecting Belicheck to call the timeout there - pull an ice the kicker job. He didn't, but he did. he didn't call the timeout. the kicker was iced.

Being from Boston, I have heard a lot of dumb "Belichick is a genius" statements before, but this is the dumbest ever if you intended it that way.


Belichick is on the radio right now saying that he noticed that they were rushing around and that the substitutions came in pretty late and decided not to call the timeout. There is no way of knowing if he would have tried to ice the kicker if the Ravens on the ball and set up with plenty of time on the play clock.
 
2012-01-23 04:29:35 PM

Harv72b: DupeOfURL: Came close to having 2 OT games this weekend. Special teams determined both games. The missed chip shot FG AND the muffed punt to give the Gints a TD, followed by the fumble during a punt return that gave them the postion for the winning FG.

The biggest winner yesterday was the NFL. They got their big-market team in the Super Bowl along with their biggest seller, and they had two exciting games that came down to the last minute. Plus they have two compelling QB stories going into the game.


It's the Boston Yankees (Patriots) vs. the New York Red Sox (Giants), What's not to love.
 
2012-01-23 04:30:27 PM
i280.photobucket.comwww.iwatchstuff.com
 
2012-01-23 04:36:40 PM
Harv72b - as long as you know you've beaten facisto's ridiculous non-arguments senseless... just wanted to make sure you know that.

/is it too late to photoshop your exchanges for the dunning-kruger effect? facisto seems hell-bent on demonstrating it...
 
2012-01-23 04:43:45 PM

degenerate-afro: Harv72b: DupeOfURL: Came close to having 2 OT games this weekend. Special teams determined both games. The missed chip shot FG AND the muffed punt to give the Gints a TD, followed by the fumble during a punt return that gave them the postion for the winning FG.

The biggest winner yesterday was the NFL. They got their big-market team in the Super Bowl along with their biggest seller, and they had two exciting games that came down to the last minute. Plus they have two compelling QB stories going into the game.

It's the Boston Yankees (Patriots) vs. the New York Red Sox (Giants), What's not to love.


Difference between the Yankees and Red Sox and the Patriots and Giants? The Pats and Giants aren't breaking the bank in paying their players.

IIRC there is a salary cap so no team can spend more than another in terms of players.

Part of the hate for the Red Sox and Yankees is that they try (and often succeed in) to buy the greatest talent out there, which unbalances the field.
 
2012-01-23 04:51:24 PM

Brother_Mouzone: Now that I read the thread, some of you people are delusional or something. Lee Evans did nothing wrong on that play and didnt choke, the defender knocked it out cleanly and before Evans could even get possession. Seriously are you people blind or just revisionist.



His name is Sterling Moore!
 
2012-01-23 04:55:54 PM
Evans didn't hold onto the ball in the end zone. Cundiff was scrambling to get out on the field. Cundiff didn't even bother to measure how far to stand from where the ball would be spotted. He shanked it. Yeah, Harbaugh should have called a time out, but he didn't and I haven't heard an explanation why not. Meanwhile, the Ravens will resign the players they feel still have value and let the rest of the free agents go. Cundiff won't be kicking for the Ravens next year. Word has it he tried to hang himself in the Ravens' dressing room and couldn't figure out how to kick the chair from out under his feet.
 
2012-01-23 04:56:06 PM

justme317: degenerate-afro: Harv72b: DupeOfURL: Came close to having 2 OT games this weekend. Special teams determined both games. The missed chip shot FG AND the muffed punt to give the Gints a TD, followed by the fumble during a punt return that gave them the postion for the winning FG.

The biggest winner yesterday was the NFL. They got their big-market team in the Super Bowl along with their biggest seller, and they had two exciting games that came down to the last minute. Plus they have two compelling QB stories going into the game.

It's the Boston Yankees (Patriots) vs. the New York Red Sox (Giants), What's not to love.

Difference between the Yankees and Red Sox and the Patriots and Giants? The Pats and Giants aren't breaking the bank in paying their players.

IIRC there is a salary cap so no team can spend more than another in terms of players.

Part of the hate for the Red Sox and Yankees is that they try (and often succeed in) to buy the greatest talent out there, which unbalances the field.


I'm speaking strictly in ESPN/NFL terms. This was the best possible outcome for them profit wise.
 
2012-01-23 05:04:17 PM

asmodeus224: The butthurt in the first line of the article is priceless:

"For the second straight year, the best team in the American Football Conference will not be playing in the Super Bowl."

Cry some more.


This...and frankly, I would've craved the rematch with the Ravens as well. I wonder how Flacco would've enjoyed getting knocked upside the head repeatedly by either Pierre-Paul, Canty, Tuck or Osi.
 
2012-01-23 05:16:50 PM

MAYORBOB: Yeah, Harbaugh should have called a time out, but he didn't and I haven't heard an explanation why not.


Link (new window)

Why not call a time out for Cundiff before his final failed attempt? To some, he looked rushed.

"That never occurred to me," said Harbaugh. "I didn't think that. You know, looking back at it now, maybe there was something we could have done. But in the situation, it didn't seem like we were that rushed on the field. thought we were in pretty good shape."

Another interesting question would be whether taking the timeout was up to Cundiff.

Cardinals kicker Jay Feely tweeted that it's a kicker's job to take the timeout if needed.

"If you feel rushed, you call a time out," he wrote. "I've done it before. That is your job, can't blame the coach."
 
2012-01-23 05:30:34 PM

Harv72b: Another interesting question would be whether taking the timeout was up to Cundiff.

Cardinals kicker Jay Feely tweeted that it's a kicker's job to take the timeout if needed.

"If you feel rushed, you call a time out," he wrote. "I've done it before. That is your job, can't blame the coach."


That was my immediate thought - Cundiff should've put his hands in the shape of a T himself if he felt rushed. No harm in doing that.
 
2012-01-23 05:36:11 PM

robsul82: Harv72b: Another interesting question would be whether taking the timeout was up to Cundiff.

Cardinals kicker Jay Feely tweeted that it's a kicker's job to take the timeout if needed.

"If you feel rushed, you call a time out," he wrote. "I've done it before. That is your job, can't blame the coach."

That was my immediate thought - Cundiff should've put his hands in the shape of a T himself if he felt rushed. No harm in doing that.


I can imagine alternate-universe Fark, where Harbaugh did call the timeout, Cundiff misses the kick anyway, and then we call him the new Jason Garrett.

/but Billy's was much easier
//also my buddy and I were joking about how so many kickers the Cowboys used to employ are in the playoffs
///then he went all shankopotamus
 
2012-01-23 05:57:35 PM
static.neatoshop.com
 
2012-01-23 05:59:25 PM

Treygreen13: I can imagine alternate-universe Fark, where Harbaugh did call the timeout, Cundiff misses the kick anyway, and then we call him the new Jason Garrett.


Maybe, I don't know how much criticism he'd get if that happened considering how rushed it really was. Besides, in Red Universe Fark, I'm far too busy being a douche about how Drew's going to kick Brady's ass to worry about how the Pats got there, lol.
 
2012-01-23 06:08:35 PM

robsul82: Treygreen13: I can imagine alternate-universe Fark, where Harbaugh did call the timeout, Cundiff misses the kick anyway, and then we call him the new Jason Garrett.

Maybe, I don't know how much criticism he'd get if that happened considering how rushed it really was. Besides, in Red Universe Fark, I'm far too busy being a douche about how Drew's going to kick Brady's ass to worry about how the Pats got there, lol.


In Bizzaro Fark you are cheering on a Vikings Superbowl victory.

/who dat
 
2012-01-23 06:10:40 PM

Jim from Saint Paul: In Bizzaro Fark you are cheering on a Vikings Superbowl victory.

/who dat


LOL, well. If there are an infinite number of universes.
 
2012-01-23 06:15:01 PM

Blink: Is this the part where we talk about how godlike Brady is? He been statistically worse than Peyton Manning in the playoffs -- but that doesn't really support the narrative, does it?

/teams win (or lose) play-off games.
//or sometimes the other team hands you a win.
///like in this case.



I don't think I've heard/seen a single person say that Brady had a good game...if you're an Indy fan, I understand your face imploding bitterness and forgive you.
 
2012-01-23 06:19:42 PM

Blink: Is this the part where we talk about how godlike Brady is? He been statistically worse than Peyton Manning in the playoffs -- but that doesn't really support the narrative, does it?

/teams win (or lose) play-off games.
//or sometimes the other team hands you a win.
///like in this case.


Here's your "statistically better than Brady" QB:

2001 Colts lose to Dolphins 23-17 (arguably the greatest QB of all time)
2002 Colts lose to NYG 41-0 (arguably the greatest QB of all time)
2004 Colts lose to Pats 24-14 (arguably the greatest QB of all time)
2005 Colts lose to Pats 20-3 (arguably the greatest QB of all time)
2006 Colts lose to Steelers 21-18 (arguably the greatest QB of all time)
2007 Wins super bowl
2008 Colts lose at HOME to the 8-8 Chargers (arguably the greatest QB of all time)
2009 Colts lose to Saints (manning throws pick 6 for the game) (arguably the greatest QB of all time)

P. Manning Total rings: 1
Bradys total rings: 3 going on 4
E. Manning total Rings: 1 going on 2

You'll probably say P. Manning has thrown for twice as many yards at Terry Bradshaw. Yeah, and he has 1/4 the rings Bradshaw has.
 
2012-01-23 06:26:27 PM

CPT Ethanolic: The Ravens should have called a timeout. They rushed the kicker out and got exactly what you get when you rush a kicker onto the field.


That's what I thought when watching it, I couldn't figure out why Cundiff was only getting on the field with 12 on the play clock. They had the timeout and it was a bad hold and kick because of the rush.

/ Chargers fan so I know what an actual choking kicker looks like.
 
2012-01-23 06:29:42 PM

robsul82: Jim from Saint Paul: In Bizzaro Fark you are cheering on a Vikings Superbowl victory.

/who dat

LOL, well. If there are an infinite number of universes.


In Bizzaro Fark it's "Let's go Ryder! RYDER SUCKS!"
 
2012-01-23 07:52:45 PM

D-Liver: You'll probably say P. Manning has thrown for twice as many yards at Terry Bradshaw. Yeah, and he has 1/4 the rings Bradshaw has.



Believe it or not, there's more to winning than the QB. The Pats found that out a couple of years ago when they got stopped by a good defense. They should have found it out yesterday if Evans didn't drop the ball in the endzone.
 
2012-01-23 07:57:22 PM

Blink: Is this the part where we talk about how godlike Brady is? He been statistically worse than Peyton Manning in the playoffs -- but that doesn't really support the narrative, does it?

/teams win (or lose) play-off games.
//or sometimes the other team hands you a win.
///like in this case.


There's a very good possibility that in two weeks, Peyton Manning will have won a playoff game in four seasons, and Tom Brady will have won Super Bowls in four seasons. Suck it.
 
2012-01-23 08:34:36 PM
This Farkette was at the game. Dear God, I thought I was going to have a nervous breakdown. We're winning,.......we're losing......we're winning......WTF was Brady doing......we're losing......we've lost.....we're going to OT instead of losing......we've won.......

I hope to stop twitching and shaking by Thursday or so.

Most awesome bad game I've ever been to. Who ever made the least mistakes won.

CSB. Stayed at the same hotel as Drew Bledsoe- after running across him 3 times, I got his autograph.
 
2012-01-23 08:52:01 PM
As a Browns fan, i'm just fine with Baltimore pinning their hopes on Flacco for the next 10 years...
 
2012-01-23 08:55:38 PM
I'll just leave this here....I hope it pisses you off.

www.blogcdn.com
 
2012-01-23 08:56:53 PM

AdmirableSnackbar: Harv72b: DanZero: Except our 12-4 wasn't as pretty and champion-y as yours

Perhaps, but in the end all it wound up meaning is that we pick 6 spots after you in the draft.

Posts like this are why I like you. It's a shame that there are so few Baltimore Ravens fans that are like you and so many that are like facisto.


I'll second that. Harv's is my favorite BAL fan.
 
2012-01-23 09:43:45 PM

T.rex: As a Browns fan, i'm just fine with Baltimore pinning their hopes on Flacco for the next 10 years...


We'll trade him straight up for Colt McHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Yeah. :p
 
2012-01-23 09:48:59 PM

Harv72b: T.rex: As a Browns fan, i'm just fine with Baltimore pinning their hopes on Flacco for the next 10 years...

We'll trade him straight up for Colt McHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Yeah. :p


Touch'e. Colt simply does not throw down field. I'll hand it to Flacco that he has a strong arm... Colt might not have any weapons, but watching these playoffs, its really remarkable to see QB's timing these passes and fitting a tight spiral in such a small momentary opening. Colt doesn't even try to do that.

To me, Flacco, is too old to be making the same mistakes... He's better than Colt, but he's not getting better with age.... Flacco today, is what he'll always be...
 
2012-01-23 09:55:46 PM

Harv72b: But, I guess by your lofty standards any quarterback who has ever suffered a loss is terrible, because he didn't single-handedly overcome all of his team's mistakes. So, by that standard, Flacco is indeed a terrible quarterback, just like every other one in the league.


I was so pissed that the Niners didn't win on another Smith TD so I could make the point:

Patriots and Niners in the SuperBowl - just as we all figured, the Patriots got there with no passing TDs and two rushing TDs, while the Niners got there with three passing TDs from the arm of Alex Smith.
 
2012-01-23 09:56:05 PM

T.rex: Harv72b: T.rex: As a Browns fan, i'm just fine with Baltimore pinning their hopes on Flacco for the next 10 years...

We'll trade him straight up for Colt McHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Yeah. :p

Touch'e. Colt simply does not throw down field. I'll hand it to Flacco that he has a strong arm... Colt might not have any weapons, but watching these playoffs, its really remarkable to see QB's timing these passes and fitting a tight spiral in such a small momentary opening. Colt doesn't even try to do that.

To me, Flacco, is too old to be making the same mistakes... He's better than Colt, but he's not getting better with age.... Flacco today, is what he'll always be...


Look, I don't think Flacco is a very good QB but he's good enough to win a Super Bowl if the Ravens can put weapons around him. He's got two TEs who combined could make one good TE and the same could be said for his WRs. The Ravens offense is Ray Rice and Joe Flacco and the Patriots completely neutralized Ray Rice and Flacco's receivers and coaches let him down. That said, I hope the Ravens do with Flacco what Harbaugh's mentor did with McNabb and never surround him with capable talent.
 
2012-01-23 09:57:02 PM
Taken from another thread, but bears repeating:

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2012-01-23 09:59:00 PM
DNRTFA, but I wouldn't really call them chokers based on yesterday's performance. That was apparently one hell of a game (didn't watch it, but hung out in the Fark thread, lol) that seemed like it really could've gone either way. As much as I hate to say it, I respect what the Ravens can do on the football field - they are a very good team, and although I sometimes wish my Steelers didn't have to play them twice a year (or sometimes more ;)), I know that whichever team wins those matchups didn't do it easily*, and I think there's honor in that. Eh, I'm rambling now, but you guys know what I mean, right? :)

TL;DR version: Baltimore doesn't suck just because they lost a (very close) playoff game.

/they suck because they're my team's divisional rivals! ;)
//kidding. Respect where respect is due, Ravens. Congrats on a great season, and see y'all next year!

*Most of the time. I still haven't managed to find enough alcohol to forget that first game this year, lol.
//NEVAR AGAIN! ;)
 
2012-01-23 10:00:10 PM

wombatsrus: Taken from another thread, but bears repeating:

[img408.imageshack.us image 317x434]


I'm totally happy with the end result of the game, but man, I do feel bad for those guys. :(
 
2012-01-23 10:05:37 PM

T.rex: Flacco today, is what he'll always be...


Like I've said...is he on a level with Aaron Rodgers or Drew Brees or Tom Brady (against everyone but Baltimore)? Absolutely not...on a good day he might get up to the Tony Romo/Matt Ryan level. But I'd definitely put him in the top half of starting NFL quarterbacks at present, and I'm not completely ready to give up on him developing further. At this point it's mostly mental things...reading the defenses & blitzes properly, calling the audible when needed or recognizing who the hot receiver is (and having that receiver recognize it as well). Should he have picked those things up by now? Maybe...to be honest, I'm also not really sure how much control over those things he actually has in this offense. What I do recognize is that, at this point, he can do enough things to win ball games when it comes down to him needing to...and most weeks, that hasn't been the case. And again, if Evans holds on to that ball/Moore doesn't knock it out of his hands, then this thread is about how Tom Brady couldn't get it done when he had to.

Besides, I don't think there's anyone who can seriously argue that he's not the best quarterback the Ravens have had to date.
 
2012-01-23 10:13:33 PM

becksellent: TL;DR version: Baltimore doesn't suck just because they lost a (very close) playoff game.


TFA mostly made the exact opposite point of what the headline here states, but hey. ;)

Fair or not, people tend to remember the last game you play in a given season...and for the past four years, the last game the Ravens have played has been a painful playoff loss. I've seen some writers (including this one) state that yesterday was the most painful of them, but I still believe it was the loss to your boys last year, when we completely dominated the first half and then screwed the proverbial pooch in the third quarter.

That said, I just went back to the game center page for last year's playoff loss and saw a comment that made me smile right at the top, from 7 months ago:

fanofsteelers22: i thought the better team almost always won why is it that the ravens can never beat the steelers when they have big ben at the helm or when it matters like in a playoff game or to have the right to be number two seed i the AFC behind the patriots the only way that the ravens win this year is from possible super bowl hangover

:)
 
2012-01-23 10:18:59 PM

FarkinHostile: His name is Sterling Moore!


One does not argue with Brother Mouzone.
 
2012-01-23 10:26:01 PM

Harv72b: Fair or not, people tend to remember the last game you play in a given season...and for the past four years, the last game the Ravens have played has been a painful playoff loss


This is what's so annoying about how we cover everything in sports - 11 of the 12 teams good enough to make the playoffs end their season in a painful playoff loss.

It's like the Peyton Manning/Eli Manning playoff stat - oh, Peyton sucks more because he dragged the rest of his team to the playoffs every single year, no matter how bad the rest of the team was, even if it meant a first-round loss! That's clearly worse than missing the playoffs!

Ugh.
 
2012-01-23 10:28:28 PM

IAmRight: This is what's so annoying about how we cover everything in sports - 11 of the 12 teams good enough to make the playoffs end their season in a painful playoff loss.

It's like the Peyton Manning/Eli Manning playoff stat - oh, Peyton sucks more because he dragged the rest of his team to the playoffs every single year, no matter how bad the rest of the team was, even if it meant a first-round loss! That's clearly worse than missing the playoffs!

Ugh.


That's one of the wonderful things about being a Baltimore homer--you always have the Orioles to put things into perspective.
 
2012-01-23 10:47:52 PM

Harv72b: IAmRight: This is what's so annoying about how we cover everything in sports - 11 of the 12 teams good enough to make the playoffs end their season in a painful playoff loss.

It's like the Peyton Manning/Eli Manning playoff stat - oh, Peyton sucks more because he dragged the rest of his team to the playoffs every single year, no matter how bad the rest of the team was, even if it meant a first-round loss! That's clearly worse than missing the playoffs!

Ugh.

That's one of the wonderful things about being a Baltimore homer--you always have the Orioles to put things into perspective.


Amen.

/ really looking forward to taking my daughter to her first game at Our Lady of Perpetual Sorrow this year
// otherwise known as Oriole Park at Camden Yards
/// everybody on the Loot Rail hun!
 
2012-01-23 11:08:08 PM

Harv72b: That said, I just went back to the game center page for last year's playoff loss and saw a comment that made me smile right at the top, from 7 months ago:

fanofsteelers22: i thought the better team almost always won why is it that the ravens can never beat the steelers when they have big ben at the helm or when it matters like in a playoff game or to have the right to be number two seed i the AFC behind the patriots the only way that the ravens win this year is from possible super bowl hangover

:)


Heh. Well, I guess you could say it was a Super Bowl hangover...but I'm just going to go with my own opinion, which is that your guys were better prepared for our matchups this year than mine were. I don't know what Harbaugh did to change things up and apparently figure Pittsburgh out, but I hate it. :P (And of course if I were a Ravens fan, I'd be thrilled.)

/That said, I have every confidence that Tomlin, LeBeau and co. will do some figuring out of their own and be back in the game next year, just like always. ;)
//You know, there might be a better current rivalry in the NFL than Ravens/Steelers, but I'd be hard-pressed to name one.
///Here's to the end of one (crazy, brilliant, heartbreaking) season, and to the start of another! :)
 
2012-01-23 11:59:48 PM

robsul82: Treygreen13: I can imagine alternate-universe Fark, where Harbaugh did call the timeout, Cundiff misses the kick anyway, and then we call him the new Jason Garrett.

Maybe, I don't know how much criticism he'd get if that happened considering how rushed it really was. Besides, in Red Universe Fark, I'm far too busy being a douche about how Drew's going to kick Brady's ass to worry about how the Pats got there, lol.


Wait, in alternate Fark Drew Bledsoe still plays for the Pats and Tom Brady got drafted by the Vikings and lead them to a Super Bowl?!
 
2012-01-24 12:08:37 AM

Harv72b: That's one of the wonderful things about being a Baltimore homer--you always have the Orioles to put things into perspective.


Hey, some of the most fun I have every summer is going to an Orioles game and cheering with the four other fans that are at the park. Cheap tickets. Great BBQ. Nice looking ladies and the team is generally entertaining even when they are flailing around. Then again I've been cheering for the O's for as long as I've been aware of the team, so even a period of bad play (and worse ownership) doesn't bother me.
 
2012-01-24 12:16:24 AM

INeedAName: Wait, in alternate Fark Drew Bledsoe still plays for the Pats and Tom Brady got drafted by the Vikings and lead them to a Super Bowl?!


In the first round, I hope. There's no way the Vikings are smart enough to figure out what they have in a 6th rounder. Especially not at that position.
 
2012-01-24 12:21:42 AM

The Crepes of Wrath: [i56.tinypic.com image 409x228]


i56.tinypic.com

I love the all Street banker right in the middle of it.
 
2012-01-24 12:22:18 AM
*Wall Street, grrr
 
2012-01-24 12:31:55 AM

degenerate-afro: Hey, some of the most fun I have every summer is going to an Orioles game and cheering with the four other fans that are at the park. Cheap tickets. Great BBQ. Nice looking ladies and the team is generally entertaining even when they are flailing around. Then again I've been cheering for the O's for as long as I've been aware of the team, so even a period of bad play (and worse ownership) doesn't bother me.


Never forget what a great last two weeks of the season dem O's had!
 
2012-01-24 04:05:31 AM

AdmirableSnackbar: T.rex: Harv72b: T.rex: As a Browns fan, i'm just fine with Baltimore pinning their hopes on Flacco for the next 10 years...

We'll trade him straight up for Colt McHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Yeah. :p

Touch'e. Colt simply does not throw down field. I'll hand it to Flacco that he has a strong arm... Colt might not have any weapons, but watching these playoffs, its really remarkable to see QB's timing these passes and fitting a tight spiral in such a small momentary opening. Colt doesn't even try to do that.

To me, Flacco, is too old to be making the same mistakes... He's better than Colt, but he's not getting better with age.... Flacco today, is what he'll always be...

Look, I don't think Flacco is a very good QB but he's good enough to win a Super Bowl if the Ravens can put weapons around him. He's got two TEs who combined could make one good TE and the same could be said for his WRs. The Ravens offense is Ray Rice and Joe Flacco and the Patriots completely neutralized Ray Rice and Flacco's receivers and coaches let him down. That said, I hope the Ravens do with Flacco what Harbaugh's mentor did with McNabb and never surround him with capable talent.


I just loved Flacco's post game interview, where he claims he plays that good every week-"just look at the film." No, Joey, you don't-and part of your issue is that you fail to see that. Yes, he needs some better weapons around him, and yes, he has the occasional flash of looking good, but at the end of the day he's just not that good. Not hitting Smith in stride early in the game cost them some points. And who doesn't look good throwing against New England?

I'm with Snackbar-looking forward to the Ravens not giving the O enough weapons to make it to the next level.
 
2012-01-24 04:37:57 AM

Remarkable_Anus: I'll just leave this here....I hope it pisses you off.

[www.blogcdn.com image 580x447]


Tim Tebow
 
2012-01-24 08:22:41 AM

Poison: I'm with Snackbar-looking forward to the Ravens not giving the O enough weapons to make it to the next level.


I have to wonder what this next level is. They were a dropped pass away from the Super Bowl. I'm pretty sure the only "next level" you can get to is not dropping the ball.
 
2012-01-24 12:01:40 PM

Poison: I'm with Snackbar-looking forward to the Ravens not giving the O enough weapons to make it to the next level.


What we need more than anything is a new offensive line. The guys we have now are very good run blockers, but struggle to provide consistent pass protection (which was highlighted extensively in both playoff games). Adding another good wide receiver and/or an elite level tight end would be nice, but it's not going to matter so much when Flacco is running for his life on every other dropback. And even without that, Matt Birk might retire this year, he might come back for one or maybe two more, but he's gone soon. Bryant McKinney doesn't have too many more productive seasons left, either.

The current structure of the line is indicative of the traditional offensive focus in Baltimore of run first, but with the other personnel we've collected combined with the direction the league is going in, that needs to be rethought. I'm really hoping to see at least 3 offensive linemen drafted this year, along with maybe a free agent signing or two.
 
2012-01-24 01:07:38 PM

Harv72b: What we need more than anything is a new offensive line.


I don't think the Ravens need to re-invent the wheel. Like I mentioned before, draft someone to replace Birk and you have the other parts. Grubbs, Yanda, and Oher are solid. You just drafted Jah Reid. Keep Gurode and McKinnie as backups. The only position of immediate need is center.
 
2012-01-24 01:18:03 PM

Harv72b: What we need more than anything is a new offensive line. The guys we have now are very good run blockers, but struggle to provide consistent pass protection (which was highlighted extensively in both playoff games). Adding another good wide receiver and/or an elite level tight end would be nice, but it's not going to matter so much when Flacco is running for his life on every other dropback. And even without that, Matt Birk might retire this year, he might come back for one or maybe two more, but he's gone soon. Bryant McKinney doesn't have too many more productive seasons left, either.

The current structure of the line is indicative of the traditional offensive focus in Baltimore of run first, but with the other personnel we've collected combined with the direction the league is going in, that needs to be rethought. I'm really hoping to see at least 3 offensive linemen drafted this year, along with maybe a free agent signing or two


I was thinking pretty much the same thing. We don't need more WRs (Boldin, Smith & Evans are fine). We don't need more TEs (Pitta did pretty good this year, Dixon could use some help I guess)

I was glad to see Mr False Start (a.k.a Michael Oher) move over to RT this year and McKinney brought in to LT instead. I thought this would give Joe more time in the pocket, but sadly no

/Draft OLs!
 
2012-01-24 01:34:29 PM

degenerate-afro: I don't think the Ravens need to re-invent the wheel. Like I mentioned before, draft someone to replace Birk and you have the other parts. Grubbs, Yanda, and Oher are solid. You just drafted Jah Reid. Keep Gurode and McKinnie as backups. The only position of immediate need is center.


One play sticks out in my mind from Sunday's loss: I don't know if Birk missed the blocking call or if someone missed their assignment, but the Pats came on what looked to me like a pretty obvious blitz over the right side. Yanda went inside to his left to double-team someone, leaving Oher alone with no TE or RB help to try to block two guys on the outside. Oher immediately broke left towards the interior rusher, then saw the other guy coming and tried to react to him, and in the end wound up watching both guys run right by him untouched. Of course Flacco wound up being sacked on the play.

Like I said, the linemen we have are great run blockers. Birk is nothing short of spectacular at center, and should seriously get HOF consideration there. Grubbs has been extremely solid at guard, Yanda has had some good and some bad, and both tackles have struggled consistently both in pass protection and in avoiding stupid penalties (i.e., false starts). Agreed on giving Reid a chance to develop, but it absolutely won't hurt to bring in a couple more guys at tackle with a focus more on pass blocking than run. Granted, Houston and New England both ranked in the top half of the league in sacks this season, but how many pocket passes can you remember from those two games where Flacco wasn't hit and/or forced to move before throwing?
 
2012-01-24 04:26:06 PM

degenerate-afro: Harv72b: What we need more than anything is a new offensive line.

I don't think the Ravens need to re-invent the wheel. Like I mentioned before, draft someone to replace Birk and you have the other parts. Grubbs, Yanda, and Oher are solid. You just drafted Jah Reid. Keep Gurode and McKinnie as backups. The only position of immediate need is center.


Also, just saw this link; we might not have Grubbs next season.
 
2012-01-24 04:38:20 PM

Harv72b: degenerate-afro: Harv72b: What we need more than anything is a new offensive line.

I don't think the Ravens need to re-invent the wheel. Like I mentioned before, draft someone to replace Birk and you have the other parts. Grubbs, Yanda, and Oher are solid. You just drafted Jah Reid. Keep Gurode and McKinnie as backups. The only position of immediate need is center.

Also, just saw this link; we might not have Grubbs next season.


Hmmmm. The Steelers sure could use a left guard. ;)
 
2012-01-24 08:51:41 PM

Harv72b: degenerate-afro: Harv72b: What we need more than anything is a new offensive line.

I don't think the Ravens need to re-invent the wheel. Like I mentioned before, draft someone to replace Birk and you have the other parts. Grubbs, Yanda, and Oher are solid. You just drafted Jah Reid. Keep Gurode and McKinnie as backups. The only position of immediate need is center.

Also, just saw this link; we might not have Grubbs next season.


I forgot he was due up at the end of the season. I know they can't offer him Yanda money, but I hope they can get something done. .Reid, Grubbs, Yanda, Oher as the core with a center to be named. The problem is Rice and Flacco. Depending on how much they cost will determine if Grubbs can stay.
 
2012-01-24 09:39:02 PM

Publikwerks: Blink: Is this the part where we talk about how godlike Brady is? He been statistically worse than Peyton Manning in the playoffs -- but that doesn't really support the narrative, does it?

I would like to see a source for that, cause I don't buy that Manning's playoff stats are better than Brady's.
Also, His average punting yards are waayyyyy better.


Brady just tied Joe Montana for the most playoff wins at 16. Peyton has 9.

Number of wins is the only stat that really matters, and Peyton isn't even CLOSE to Brady.
 
2012-01-24 10:57:21 PM

Maestro1701: Publikwerks: Blink: Is this the part where we talk about how godlike Brady is? He been statistically worse than Peyton Manning in the playoffs -- but that doesn't really support the narrative, does it?

I would like to see a source for that, cause I don't buy that Manning's playoff stats are better than Brady's.
Also, His average punting yards are waayyyyy better.

Brady just tied Joe Montana for the most playoff wins at 16. Peyton has 9.

Number of wins is the only stat that really matters, and Peyton isn't even CLOSE to Brady.


If number of wins is the only stat that matters, Eli Manning has more playoff road victories than anyone in NFL history including Montana and Brady. To make it worse, second place is a tie between Joe Flacco and Mark Sanchez. So to that end Brady can't win unless he has homefield advantage.
 
2012-01-25 02:42:22 AM

degenerate-afro: To make it worse, second place is a tie between Joe Flacco and Mark Sanchez. So to that end Brady can't win unless he has homefield advantage.


Wanna take a wild guess at who the only two quarterbacks to ever win a postseason game against Brady in New England are?
 
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