The Dems are dying for Newt to get the GOP nod. The only Dems who don't want him to get the nod are the poor interns who will have to comb through hours and hours of taped stupid to get the juiciest bits of stupid.

Newt's problem is the same one that Hillary Clinton has.

Newt activates the Crazy Train. But he does so on both sides. He might appeal to the Mouth Breathing Sect who are impressed by the fact that he strings complete sentences together--which, lately, Mitt and Rick Perry both seem to have problems with--and then he strings those sentences to some damn crazy statements. The problem is, that while he is appealing to that sect, he likewise activates the other side to oppose him.

Hillary, as a candidate may appeal to some voters strongly, but she likewise activates a backlash on the other side. Folks who are strongly opposed to her.

Mittens? He makes me want to swing a gottverdammt baseball bat into his smug face, but that's because I have experience with him beyond Massachusetts, and I will admit, my distrust and hate for the man is rarer than just simple mistrust for his smarmy butt. Mittens can appeal to middle of the road voters, and the Crazy Train won't vote for Obama, so why appeal to them strongly? To get them to turn out? They're already opposed to the Usurper-Kenyan-Radical Leftist-Muslim-Fascist-Commie Jew Hater, but if you want to get the Democrat's version out, then you choose someone like Newt, who will activate that base like Mitt cannot. Mitt is relatively in-offensive. I say relatively, since his policies are pure economic poison for the long term health of the nation, but not a lot of folks are looking at that. They are looking at the populist tripe that he spouts.

Newt? Newt in the chair will get out the Democratic vote like few others. And in a mid-term election, that's not entirely what you want. It will bring folks out, and that can swing Congressional seats as well as just the Presidential race, and that is not really what the GOP leadership wants to see. Not an activate and pissed off Democratic base, because right now, there are a lot of races where it's going to be close, and MOAR Democrats out at the polls is exactly what they don't want to see.

Put Newt out in the open, and you are going to see folks fired up. On both sides, and that is not what a lot of Congresscritters want in any way, shape, or form. Which is why a lot of folks are pulling up stakes--not just because of his ethics violations, his petulance, his bellicosity, but simple strategy dictates that in a race against an incumbent President you don't activate your opposition's base with a candidate who is virulently offensive to them.

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: hubiestubert: Newt's problem is the same one that Hillary Clinton has.

I disagree: the problem is fundamentally different. Substantially, there were no real differences between Clinton and Obama voters and each one was vying for the same slice of the Democratic base. Newt is obviously trying to harness the power of the crazy train to propel himself to victory, but (and here's where it's different) the crazy train *needs* to defeat Romney, else it stops the momentum they've built up over the last few years. If they're not able to use their muscle to get a more conservative candidate elected, they might as well have been jerking off for the last 4 years.

(Interestingly though, if Romney wins the nomination, but not the Presidency, the Right will take that as evidence that the candidate was not conservative enough and double their derp for 2016.)

So, where Obama and Clinton were pretty much substitutable, Newt and Romney are not.

I think he was talking that they would be the same in a General Election, not a primary. They, both Clinton and Newt, are actively hated by the base of the other party and would cause the opposite base to arise on voting day to vote against them as much or more than voting for their parties candidate.

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: I respectfully disagree.

I will never vote for Hillary. Ever. Cannot do it. I can vote for Obama if the GOP insists on putting Romney or Newt up the run.

On the other end, folks could consider voting for Mittens, but they will never vote Newt. Newt will bring out folks, but on both sides of the equation.

hubiestubert: I will never vote for Hillary. Ever. Cannot do it.

why?

no snark; just curious. i used to find her quite unfavorable, but i think she's been a pretty good secretary of state so far.

My fondest wish is for Newt to get the nomination, so that he has to deliver the election night concession speech, and that he does so while drunk off his a$$ - a violently rambling, twenty minute explosion of pure scorched earth that leaves nothing standing in its wake. Nothing and nobody.

There wouldn't be a bowl of popcorn big enough.

FlashHarry: hubiestubert: I will never vote for Hillary. Ever. Cannot do it.

why?

no snark; just curious. i used to find her quite unfavorable, but i think she's been a pretty good secretary of state so far.

She has done a good job at forwarding US policy. I just don't trust her to formulate her own. Perhaps old prejudices die hard, but I find her nearly as offensive as Romney--and I HATE that motherf*cker with the heat of a thousand suns. That would be my Hell Ticket for President. Hillary vs Romney, with Paul running as a Libertarian side line. Literally nothing to vote for, anywhere.

The liberal Hollywood MSM drive by homosexual elite Upper West side limosine lazy Alinksy lamestream media is really out to get Gingrich.

The media will say anything. It doesn't matter if its true, or is on the historical record, or can be confirmed with sources, or if its conducted with a scientific poll.

hubiestubert: Literally nothing to vote for, anywhere.

Therein lies the problem. Democrats know this by now; the GOP is a slowly fracturing party that's about to turn into a war between the extremists and the moderates. Only the extremists want to vote for Perry or Santorum; only the extraordinarily ignorant want to vote for Newt or Mitt, and very few people in general even know anything about RON PAUL other than you have to capitalize his name when referring to him.

Right now there's probably an office building in Washington just filling disk drive after disk drive with material to bring down every last Republican candidate, because they don't have to actually defend anything yet. And as I've pointed out before, the biggest problem I see in Obama is one of the easiest to deal with - that he hasn't unified the country at all. The GOP can't campaign against that without admitting they're part of the problem.

Not a fan of Obama, but right now it's looking pretty damned good that he's not hiring any moving companies anytime soon.

bloobeary: My fondest wish is for Newt to get the nomination, so that he has to deliver the election night concession speech, and that he does so while drunk off his a$$ - a violently rambling, twenty minute explosion of pure scorched earth that leaves nothing standing in its wake. Nothing and nobody.

There wouldn't be a bowl of popcorn big enough.

He'll blame money and the ethnic vote.

This may be very, very unfair of me, but I feel like its an elephant in the room -

Newt Gingrich is too ugly to be president. I'm sorry, the dude is gross to look at. Does no one else think this is an issue?

hubiestubert: That would be my Hell Ticket for President. Hillary vs Romney, with Paul running as a Libertarian side line.

*shiver*


i agree about romney. the man is just so... unctuous. and he will literally say anything he thinks you want to hear. he makes pt barnum seem like gandhi.

hubiestubert: On the other end, folks could consider voting for Mittens, but they will never vote Newt.

If Mittens wins the nomination, he will be Palin'd. The GOP will force him to take Santorum as his running mate to appeal to the base, and that will scare the moderates away. An electable GOP candidate doesn't appeal to the nutjobs, and a nutjob scares away the middle 60%. It's kind of hilarious.

DamnYankees: This may be very, very unfair of me, but I feel like its an elephant in the room -

Newt Gingrich is too ugly to be president. I'm sorry, the dude is gross to look at. Does no one else think this is an issue?

Whats worse, he's even uglier on the inside.

DamnYankees: This may be very, very unfair of me, but I feel like its an elephant in the room -

Newt Gingrich is too ugly to be president. I'm sorry, the dude is gross to look at. Does no one else think this is an issue?

Not at all. I think it's been shown that statistically the better looking candidate usually wins elections. If so, Obama's got it in spades.

vernonFL: The liberal Hollywood MSM drive by homosexual elite Upper West side limosine lazy Alinksy lamestream media is really out to get Gingrich.

The media will say anything. It doesn't matter if its true, or is on the historical record, or can be confirmed with sources, or if its conducted with a scientific poll.

9/10: Well executed Troll!

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My god, Obama is so screwed.

DamnYankees: This may be very, very unfair of me, but I feel like its an elephant in the room -

Newt Gingrich is too ugly to be president. I'm sorry, the dude is gross to look at. Does no one else think this is an issue?

You're saying he's worse than some of our past presidents like:

hubiestubert: She has done a good job at forwarding US policy. I just don't trust her to formulate her own. Perhaps old prejudices die hard, but I find her nearly as offensive as Romney--and I HATE that motherf*cker with the heat of a thousand suns.

She doesn't have her husband's gift of effortless bullshiat charisma. "Unctuous" would be about the last word I'd use to describe her. She's boring in person..,and I don't mean that as a shot. Of all the times I've seen her, the only time she was truly animated was when she got into discussions on the minutiae of tedious-but-necessary government actions. Land-use regulations, zoning, stuff like that.

Put Newt out in the open, and you are going to see folks fired up.

Newt is Dave Kingman. He'll go 1-for-5 with four strikeouts and a 510-foot home run, and there isn't a cutoff man alive he won't airmail. What I mean by that is every so often he'll come up with a politically brilliant moment, like he did on Monday, or like the Contract with America - which is notable in that there's not a damn thing in it about abortion or guns or gays or immigration or the usual red meat.

The guy talks so damn much he'll hit a thing or two that make sense just on volume, but the rest? Yeesh.

RexTalionis: DamnYankees: This may be very, very unfair of me, but I feel like its an elephant in the room -

Newt Gingrich is too ugly to be president. I'm sorry, the dude is gross to look at. Does no one else think this is an issue?

You're saying he's worse than some of our past presidents like:

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None of them had to deal with being on Television.

FlashHarry: hubiestubert: That would be my Hell Ticket for President. Hillary vs Romney, with Paul running as a Libertarian side line.

*shiver*


i agree about romney. the man is just so... unctuous. and he will literally say anything he thinks you want to hear. he makes pt barnum seem like gandhi.

That has less to do it for me: it's the record of give aways and contracts. A Romney Presidency will have my Grandchildren paying for crap still. He has such a history of setting up nested contracts and keeping folks paying out for years that I don't want him anywhere at the Federal level. It will be a gravy train for folks, and worse, his record is setting up programs that only serve current need, so you will HAVE to then go and build further, which only benefits the contractors again.

It's not about "job creation" it's about servicing those you are beholden to. It's just as bad a croneyism as you've seen in Boston. Texas, or Chicago, but written even larger.

ManateeGag: RexTalionis: DamnYankees: This may be very, very unfair of me, but I feel like its an elephant in the room -

Newt Gingrich is too ugly to be president. I'm sorry, the dude is gross to look at. Does no one else think this is an issue?

You're saying he's worse than some of our past presidents like:

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None of them had to deal with being on Television.

wtf is up with this ad? most estimates put the keystone job count at 5,000 or so. one even puts it at 1,400. where the fark do these liars come up with this shiat?

/threadjack

ignatius_crumbcake: hubiestubert: On the other end, folks could consider voting for Mittens, but they will never vote Newt.

If Mittens wins the nomination, he will be Palin'd. The GOP will force him to take Santorum Rubio as his running mate to appeal to the base, and that will scare the moderates away. An electable GOP candidate doesn't appeal to the nutjobs, and a nutjob scares away the middle 60%. It's kind of hilarious.

It'll be Rubio.

propasaurus: ignatius_crumbcake: hubiestubert: On the other end, folks could consider voting for Mittens, but they will never vote Newt.

If Mittens wins the nomination, he will be Palin'd. The GOP will force him to take Santorum Rubio as his running mate to appeal to the base, and that will scare the moderates away. An electable GOP candidate doesn't appeal to the nutjobs, and a nutjob scares away the middle 60%. It's kind of hilarious.

It'll be Rubio.

I think it had better be, if they want a chance in 10,000 Hells.

I must be a GOP voter because I kept getting a "could not load page" error.

hubiestubert: propasaurus: ignatius_crumbcake: hubiestubert: On the other end, folks could consider voting for Mittens, but they will never vote Newt.

If Mittens wins the nomination, he will be Palin'd. The GOP will force him to take Santorum Rubio as his running mate to appeal to the base, and that will scare the moderates away. An electable GOP candidate doesn't appeal to the nutjobs, and a nutjob scares away the middle 60%. It's kind of hilarious.

It'll be Rubio.

I think it had better be, if they want a chance in 10,000 Hells.

Specially if Mitt loses in FL this month. He'll need Rubio to carry FL for him in the general.

DamnYankees: This may be very, very unfair of me, but I feel like its an elephant in the room -

Newt Gingrich is too ugly to be president. I'm sorry, the dude is gross to look at. Does no one else think this is an issue?

GOP has to be the most superficially biased party ever. They love good looks normally. Goes to show you how much they must fundamentally dislike Romney. Gingrich would certainly be the ugliest President in modern history.

RexTalionis: DamnYankees: This may be very, very unfair of me, but I feel like its an elephant in the room -

Newt Gingrich is too ugly to be president. I'm sorry, the dude is gross to look at. Does no one else think this is an issue?

You're saying he's worse than some of our past presidents like:

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I'm starting a trend - calling them side-Burens