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2012-01-23 10:57:42 AM
More like Harsh browns, amirite?

/.45 owners are required to have 2 targets at my range. One that gets sent down range and the other is taped above their spot on the line, so that when they wind up flat on their back they can continue to shoot.
 
2012-01-23 10:57:57 AM

JackieRabbit: (ever fired a .45. It can take you off your feet.)


A .45 will not take you off your feet, unless you're the one getting shot. Or you weigh less than 100 lbs and are female. In which case, the Illinois State Police would like you to use a tongue depressor to vomit in case you're confronted by a rapist. Link (new window)
 
2012-01-23 10:58:56 AM

spentmiles: imtheonlylp: lol. can't believe people are actually defending this thug - if you choose to live the life, then you choose to lose your life when it comes to situations like this....as for the other thug, hope he gets "smothered and covered" while in jail. farking thugs.

Wow. That is the most racist statement I've ever seen. You take a young man, like the one that was murdered in this article, and put him in an urban prison with absolutely no economy, no jobs, no hope for change. Give him only stealth economies and black markets where his options are limited to selling drugs or robbing people. What do you really expect him to do with himself? And then one of these victims of your white belligerence gets killed doing his job and you cannot help but jump for joy. You think one of the bad guys got taken off the street. But you know what, mister? He didn't, because you are still alive and free.


1/10

Too obvious.
 
2012-01-23 10:59:31 AM

Frantic Freddie: JackieRabbit

(ever fired a .45. It can take you off your feet.)

Wanna know how I know you've never fired a .45?


I've fired on many times. Army medic in days bast and had to carry one and demonstrate proficiency. So fark you.
 
2012-01-23 11:04:23 AM
This happened in my county. A few months ago our sheriff Chuck Wright warned us to start carrying after a woman was raped in broad daylight while walking her dog in a public park. Even before this advice, the two perps were crazy to walk into a southern Waffle House at 1 am with customers in there. Even crazier to not obey the warning to chill until the cops arrived.
 
2012-01-23 11:06:07 AM

JackieRabbit: This so leaves me on the fence about conceal and carry laws. On one hand, a crime was averted, though one suspect is dead. A cop would have tried to get the suspect to lower is weapon and not risked firing in a restaurant unless he had no choice. (On the street, he would have dropped him instantly.) On the other hand, what if the gun-toting guy really didn't know what he was doing and killed a bystander? I know some people who are experts with a hand gun, but others I don't want to be near when they are armed.


It sounds like that's what he did. He told them to stay still while sheriff's deputies arrived. One of them turned towards him, pointing the gun at him, that's when he started shooting, killing the robber who was pointing the gun at him. Frankly, I'm surprised he gave him as much warning as he did!
 
2012-01-23 11:07:08 AM

blackhalo: JackieRabbit: (ever fired a .45. It can take you off your feet.)

A .45 will not take you off your feet, unless you're the one getting shot. Or you weigh less than 100 lbs and are female. In which case, the Illinois State Police would like you to use a tongue depressor to vomit in case you're confronted by a rapist. Link (new window)


Even then you won't fly off your feet. More than likely it will break your grip and slam into your face (new window).

So, add me to the list.

JackieRabbit: Frantic Freddie: JackieRabbit

(ever fired a .45. It can take you off your feet.)

Wanna know how I know you've never fired a .45?

I've fired on many times. Army medic in days bast and had to carry one and demonstrate proficiency. So fark you.


t0.gstatic.com

Somehow we all highly doubt that.
 
2012-01-23 11:07:28 AM

Jack Black 62: JackieRabbit: ever fired a .45. It can take you off your feet.

Do you squat to pee?


I hope he takes a notepad out of his purse and writes you a sternly worded letter.
 
2012-01-23 11:08:10 AM

JackieRabbit: This so leaves me on the fence about conceal and carry laws. On one hand, a crime was averted, though one suspect is dead. A cop would have tried to get the suspect to lower is weapon and not risked firing in a restaurant unless he had no choice. (On the street, he would have dropped him instantly.) On the other hand, what if the gun-toting guy really didn't know what he was doing and killed a bystander? I know some people who are experts with a hand gun, but others I don't want to be near when they are armed.


Your concern may be of greater value had it actually been validated by real events in any state that has enacted a "shall-issue" based concealed weapons permit system.
 
2012-01-23 11:09:29 AM

Sock Ruh Tease: lol, drawing a gun and risking your life to protect money in a register that isn't even yours

Good thing this ended well. Too bad it was probably luck that made sure it did.


The criminals were themselves armed, establishing a credible threat of grievous bodily injury, including death, to all patrons of the establishment. Consequently, the use of deadly force was employed as a defense to that threat, and not as a defense to the contents of a point of sale terminal.
 
2012-01-23 11:11:28 AM

JackieRabbit: (ever fired a .45. It can take you off your feet.)


I am a physically weak individual, yet I regularly carry a concealed handgun chambered in .45 ACP. I suffer no disorientation nor loss of balance when firing the weapon.
 
2012-01-23 11:13:18 AM
JackieRabbit: I've fired on many times. Army medic in days bast and had to carry one and demonstrate proficiency. So fark you.

How are you even typing with those weak wrists?
 
2012-01-23 11:17:14 AM

JackieRabbit: Frantic Freddie: JackieRabbit

I've fired on many times. Army medic in days bast and had to carry one and demonstrate proficiency. So fark you.


Did it look like this?
i77.photobucket.com
 
2012-01-23 11:17:46 AM
We don't mess around in SC. I love this story.
 
2012-01-23 11:20:27 AM

spentmiles: imtheonlylp: lol. can't believe people are actually defending this thug - if you choose to live the life, then you choose to lose your life when it comes to situations like this....as for the other thug, hope he gets "smothered and covered" while in jail. farking thugs.

Wow. That is the most racist statement I've ever seen. You take a young man, like the one that was murdered in this article, and put him in an urban prison with absolutely no economy, no jobs, no hope for change. Give him only stealth economies and black markets where his options are limited to selling drugs or robbing people. What do you really expect him to do with himself? And then one of these victims of your white belligerence gets killed doing his job and you cannot help but jump for joy. You think one of the bad guys got taken off the street. But you know what, mister? He didn't, because you are still alive and free.


if that's the most racist statement you've ever seen, then you need to crawl out from under your rock..bc nothing was mentioned about this person's race at all - whether he was white, black, hispanic, asian, puerto-rican, or whatever - has no bearing on how I think these thugs should be treated...everyone has a choice in life at one point to do the right thing or the wrong thing...and dont give me that "he was a product of his environment" bs; at LEAST one person has come from an "urban prison" in this world, so don't tell me it doesn't happen.
 
2012-01-23 11:27:59 AM

overzealous: JackieRabbit: Frantic Freddie: JackieRabbit

I've fired on many times. Army medic in days bast and had to carry one and demonstrate proficiency. So fark you.

Did it look like this?
[i77.photobucket.com image 320x240]


I know its a shop but thats awesomsauce. Hmmm, a little home powdercoating and some airbrushing.....I could pull that off.

/a .45 will not knock you on your ass.
//now my 1918 double barrel coachgun, that will....well make you feel like somebody hit you in the shoulder with a sledgehammer. Alot.
 
2012-01-23 11:29:52 AM

overzealous: JackieRabbit: Frantic Freddie: JackieRabbit

I've fired on many times. Army medic in days bast and had to carry one and demonstrate proficiency. So fark you.

Did it look like this?


Nice grips! Probably a response to all the dudes who put "punisher" grips on their 1911's.

/My 1911 is a 10mm Auto (standard double diamond grips, tyvm), my .45 is a SA XD Tactical.
 
2012-01-23 11:49:29 AM

orclover: overzealous: JackieRabbit: Frantic Freddie: JackieRabbit

I've fired on many times. Army medic in days bast and had to carry one and demonstrate proficiency. So fark you.

Did it look like this?
[i77.photobucket.com image 320x240]

I know its a shop but thats awesomsauce. Hmmm, a little home powdercoating and some airbrushing.....I could pull that off.

/a .45 will not knock you on your ass.
//now my 1918 double barrel coachgun, that will....well make you feel like somebody hit you in the shoulder with a sledgehammer. Alot.


holding rifles which shoot full sized cartridges, how does it work?

i hear this "omg the mosin m44 / enfield jungle carbine / shotgun x /berthier artillery carbine KICK LIKE A MULE!"

well, learn to hold it tight to your shoulder and chicken wing your arm, and pull it in as part of your breathing and youll be able to shoot 100rds of 7.62x54r all day and be ok, just like soldiers of Glorious Red Army!
 
2012-01-23 11:57:03 AM
Sorry, I should have said "We know which side your waffle is buttered on."

/And syruped.
 
2012-01-23 12:05:08 PM

Genju:

Even then you won't fly off your feet. More than likely it will break your grip and slam into your face (new window).


Not a .45. THIS is a .45 (new window)

My weapon of choice is an XD40.
 
2012-01-23 12:07:05 PM
fregniacciaro: My weapon of choice is an XD40.

I love my XD45, but it can't beat my 1911. Hot damn is that a fine piece of machinery.
 
2012-01-23 12:08:04 PM

spentmiles: This is why I hate going out in public in states that allow concealed carry. You just have no idea what kind of whack-job you are sitting next to. In this case, two guys come to rob the restaurant, something that happens hundreds of times a week across the United States. It should be a pretty simple transaction -- the staff empties the registers, the customers turn over their wallets and jewelry, then the guys leave without harming anyone. If the cops are competent, they track the guys down and apprehend them at an appropriate time. Instead, this wing nut customer decides to go John Wayne and pull out his gun. That ratchets up the scenario's tension about a million levels. Then when the robbers don't do exactly what Mr. Cowboy says, he straight up murders one of them. Thankfully he hit what he was pointing at and the bullet didn't pass through the robber and into some innocent kid's face. And luckily the robbers didn't start returning fire and turn the whole restaurant into a cross-fire slaughter. The Cowboy Customer needs to be charged with murder, as it was his and only his actions that led to the actual shooting. Cooperation is a much better strategy than gunfire - every single time.


Not to feed the troll, but the logical fallacy in this argument is you'd rather trust the robber not to shoot you than you would trust the law-abiding citizen not to shoot you.
 
2012-01-23 12:14:03 PM
Jack Black 62
Dimensio: JackieRabbit: (ever fired a .45. It can take you off your feet.)

I am a physically weak individual, yet I regularly carry a concealed handgun chambered in .45 ACP. I suffer no disorientation nor loss of balance when firing the weapon.

I have fired a S&W .500 and was not "taken off my feet".


When my friend said "Don't use a Weaver stance" while shooting his .460 S&W I didn't listen.
My arm quit hurting after 3 days :D

/10 yr old nephew likes shooting my 1911
//doesn't knock him on his ass either
 
2012-01-23 12:27:52 PM

Father_Jack: well, learn to hold it tight to your shoulder and chicken wing your arm, and pull it in as part of your breathing and youll be able to shoot 100rds of 7.62x54r all day and be ok, just like soldiers of Glorious Red Army!


Soldiers of Glorious Army were also training to use that Mosin as a pike. Which makes sense, since it's really a pike with a rifled barrel.

/WWII Mauser stocks still suck, like a ballistic powered chisel
 
2012-01-23 12:39:59 PM

browser_snake: the logical fallacy in this argument is you'd rather trust the robber not to shoot you than you would trust the law-abiding citizen not to shoot you.


I'm with you here.

"I will not be hurt by the known armed criminal that is currently committing multiple felonies. I trust him with my life."

How 'bout: NO, not while he's at any temperature above room.
 
2012-01-23 12:42:09 PM
Fortunately, the restaurants' patrons were unfazed by the young boy's death, with one woman claiming she never stopped sucking her honey grits through a straw throughout the ordeal.
 
2012-01-23 12:50:20 PM

Cheeseball701: Fortunately, the restaurants' patrons were unfazed by the young boy's death, with one woman claiming she never stopped sucking her honey grits through a straw throughout the ordeal.


There was a young boy killed there too? The article only mentioned the 19-year-old felon's death.
 
2012-01-23 12:51:49 PM
Good to see the XD appreciation in this thread. XDM 3.8c in a Supertuck. Fine little piece of machinery.
 
2012-01-23 01:01:45 PM

spentmiles: This is why I hate going out in public in states that allow concealed carry. You just have no idea what kind of whack-job you are sitting next to. In this case, two guys come to rob the restaurant, something that happens hundreds of times a week across the United States. It should be a pretty simple transaction -- the staff empties the registers, the customers turn over their wallets and jewelry, then the guys leave without harming anyone. If the cops are competent, they track the guys down and apprehend them at an appropriate time. Instead, this wing nut customer decides to go John Wayne and pull out his gun. That ratchets up the scenario's tension about a million levels. Then when the robbers don't do exactly what Mr. Cowboy says, he straight up murders one of them. Thankfully he hit what he was pointing at and the bullet didn't pass through the robber and into some innocent kid's face. And luckily the robbers didn't start returning fire and turn the whole restaurant into a cross-fire slaughter. The Cowboy Customer needs to be charged with murder, as it was his and only his actions that led to the actual shooting. Cooperation is a much better strategy than gunfire - every single time.


On the other hand, I'm betting the patrons at the Seacrest diner on the night of this 1982 rampage (new window) would've loved to have a fellow diner go "cowboy" on the perps with his concealed carry.
 
2012-01-23 01:09:39 PM
Wow... the gun haters in this thread truly don't get it. The robber pointed his weapon at the CCW holder. That is an immediate threat of death. He had every right to drop the guy. Now should he have initially drawn his weapon in the first place is a matter of conjecture. But the robbers had GUNS, which means everyones' life was in jeopardy in that restaurant. Who knows how they were acting. They could have been jacked up on crack or some other illegal drug.
 
2012-01-23 01:13:55 PM

browser_snake: Not to feed the troll, but the logical fallacy in this argument is you'd rather trust the robber not to shoot you than you would trust the law-abiding citizen not to shoot you.


I already mentioned Luby's, and while it was still 21 years ago, and it was thousands of miles away, it still struck me at the time.

Had *one* of those people been armed, he could not have pulled that off. But people like spentmiles want law-abiding citizens disarmed.
 
2012-01-23 01:29:01 PM

Jack Black 62: You cannot defend yourself in the People's Republic of New York.


If you are cornered, which this fellow likely was given the typical linear design of Waffle Houses, even in New York he would have been within his rights. Considering he de-escalated the situation first, but was then assaulted by armed but now dead robber he clearly tried to solve the problem without violence first.

He was smart to have not pursued the second robber after their scuffle; a bullet in the back in public wouldn't have played out well for him, even in SC.
 
2012-01-23 01:31:38 PM

bubo_sibiricus: browser_snake: Not to feed the troll, but the logical fallacy in this argument is you'd rather trust the robber not to shoot you than you would trust the law-abiding citizen not to shoot you.

I already mentioned Luby's, and while it was still 21 years ago, and it was thousands of miles away, it still struck me at the time.

Had *one* of those people been armed, he could not have pulled that off. But people like spentmiles want law-abiding citizens disarmed.


spentmiles is a known troll and a disruptor. Some actual advocates of unreasonable restrictions upon civilian firearm ownership are aware of the incident at Luby's restaurant. Unwilling to accept such an incident as justification for enacting "shall-issue" based concealed weapons permit systems, at least two such advocates dishonestly claimed that the majority of injury and death at the restaurant was inflicted by lawful concealed weapons permit holders who shot one another in the crossfire. One individual claimed that the actual aggressor hit no one with his own gunfire.
 
2012-01-23 01:49:25 PM

JackieRabbit: Oh_Enough_Already: JackieRabbit:

If you think I'm suggesting that people should not be allowed to carry hand guns, you are wrong. But I think they should have to renew their permits on occasion and pass a safety and proficiency test with each renewal.


If the person is home with their weapon, I do not support requiring training. It might be a good idea, and most people I know who are firearm owners, including myself, have had extensive training. Even if they don't have training, though, the right to self-defence is nearly absolute in one's own home. The more people involved, the more other rights and responsibilities come into play. Since they're not at home, and could potentially endanger someone else (though statistically unlikely), I agree. I'm a life-time NRA member with a CCW and I'd like to see more people with firearm training, not fewer.

Just about anyone can go out and buy a piece of heat that he may not be able to handle. (ever fired a .45. It can take you off your feet.)

Many, many times. Full sized, and compact with all types of ammo. They can have a bit of a kick, but that shouldn't deter someone from using one as a primary carry weapon. Keep this in mind: often, in the aftermath, people who have had to fire defensively say that you never feel the kick and you never hear the sound in all the commotion.

And do you know where most criminals guns come from? They are stolen.

Wrong. Really, really seriously wrong. Only about 10-15% of guns used in crimes are stolen. How Criminals Get Guns, from that bastion of gun culture, PBS's Frontline. (new window)

An expert on crime gun patterns, ATF agent Jay Wachtel says that most guns used in crimes are not stolen out of private gun owners' homes and cars. "Stolen guns account for only about 10% to 15% of guns used in crimes," Wachtel said.
 
2012-01-23 01:51:29 PM

factoryconnection: Jack Black 62: You cannot defend yourself in the People's Republic of New York.

If you are cornered, which this fellow likely was given the typical linear design of Waffle Houses, even in New York he would have been within his rights. Considering he de-escalated the situation first, but was then assaulted by armed but now dead robber he clearly tried to solve the problem without violence first.

He was smart to have not pursued the second robber after their scuffle; a bullet in the back in public wouldn't have played out well for him, even in SC.



Justified in self-defense and the defense of others, yes. Actually having a carry permit for a firearm, not so likely.

And 'bullet in the back' is not necessarily a problem, its 'bullet in a retreating attacker' that gets you in trouble.
 
2012-01-23 01:58:01 PM

dustbunnyboo: JackieRabbit: Oh_Enough_Already: JackieRabbit:

If you think I'm suggesting that people should not be allowed to carry hand guns, you are wrong. But I think they should have to renew their permits on occasion and pass a safety and proficiency test with each renewal.

If the person is home with their weapon, I do not support requiring training. It might be a good idea, and most people I know who are firearm owners, including myself, have had extensive training. Even if they don't have training, though, the right to self-defence is nearly absolute in one's own home. The more people involved, the more other rights and responsibilities come into play. Since they're not at home, and could potentially endanger someone else (though statistically unlikely), I agree. I'm a life-time NRA member with a CCW and I'd like to see more people with firearm training, not fewer.


I agree that everyone that carries should get training, but I don't think it should be mandated by law. Most people that have a desperate need for protection don't have time or money to get training first. That can happen later.

But, I've been around a bunch of gun sales, and every newbie I've seen buy a gun has had training recommended to them, every LGS knows of a lot of trainers in the area, and all have favorites they like to suggest to those who need it.
 
2012-01-23 02:04:39 PM

Jack Black 62: Correct, unless he was in your home.


livewire98801: And 'bullet in the back' is not necessarily a problem, its 'bullet in a retreating attacker' that gets you in trouble.


That's where the "in public" came from in my statement. He's running away from the scene, running away from your home in public (not in residence)... you lay off. There was a guy that shot a fellow in public that he spotted breaking into his parked car; the perp was driving away and the homeowner used the Uncle Jimbo defense so successfully that he didn't even face charges. SC is a very Castle-Doctrine-Friendly state, which I'll take as a good thing as I am not a burglar.

livewire98801: Actually having a carry permit for a firearm, not so likely.


Certainly in NYC that is basically a non-starter, but does that carry over to the rest of NY state? I moved away when I was a kid from Buffalo and my still-residing sibs aren't the packing type, I think.
 
2012-01-23 02:11:42 PM

bubo_sibiricus:

I already mentioned Luby's, and while it was still 21 years ago, and it was thousands of miles away, it still struck me at the time.

Had *one* of those people been armed, he could not have pulled that off. But people like spentmiles want law-abiding citizens disarmed.


Suzanna Hupp, one of the survivors of the massacre at Luby's, was part of what inspired me to get my CCW.

For those who may not know, she was having lunch with her parents that day, when the gunman started shooting and killing people in Luby's (new window). She had a gun, but because of the law, which at the time made concealed carry illegal, had left it in her car.

The gunman shot her father as he tried to stop the gunman and went about shooting other people. Hupp ran through the hole in the wall caused by the gunman's truck and in the chaos, thought her mom was with her. Instead, the gunman shot her mom at point-blank range while she held her dying husband.

Hupp, who saw both of her parents die that day, and knew that she had been made a helpless victim by the state. She made it her life's work to get concealed carry laws in states across the country, and spent time in the Texas legislature and travelling all over, testifying and giving interviews in support of conceal carry laws.

The Penn & Teller's Bullshiat episode about gun control has a moving interview with her.
 
2012-01-23 02:12:01 PM

factoryconnection: Certainly in NYC that is basically a non-starter, but does that carry over to the rest of NY state? I moved away when I was a kid from Buffalo and my still-residing sibs aren't the packing type, I think.


By all accounts it doesn't require money or political connections like NYC. It still requires hoops and a pretty solid use case or a relationship with your CLEO.
 
2012-01-23 02:34:48 PM

livewire98801: dustbunnyboo:

I agree that everyone that carries should get training, but I don't think it should be mandated by law. Most people that have a desperate need for protection don't have time or money to get training first. That can happen later.

But, I've been around a bunch of gun sales, and every newbie I've seen buy a gun has had training recommended to them, every LGS knows of a lot of trainers in the area, and all have favorites they like to suggest to those who need it.


I'm sort of split on this. More and more people are becoming first-time gun owners, and that's awesome. But many of those people are coming from an upbringing that didn't include guns, and don't have anyone to teach them good habits. People who come from homes where no one owned a gun may not understand basic safety rules, and God help them if they get their training from what they see on TV. The more popular guns become, and the more "new" people owning them, the greater the need for training.

Twice, I've been at gun shows, looked up, and have seen guns pointed at people. The second time it happened, in 2009, when it was pointed at me, I said "Fark this shiat", and decided not to go to any more shows until things settle out a bit.

One of the worst things that can happen is developing bad, dangerous habits like not keeping fingers off the trigger, or pointing "unloaded" weapons and unintentionally pointing them at people, or not paying attention to where the end of the barrel is at the range as the weapon is lowered. Habits like that are hard to unlearn once they've become part of a person's routine, and it would be best to never learn them in the first place.

On the other hand, you are correct; no one should be denied the right to self-defence when they need it. In my state, hunter safety is cheap as dirt, and counts as a a gun safety class. It does take 4 nights, though, and about 20 hours, iirc.

Maybe if the person promised to take a class within a reasonable amount of time after the purchase? They would then have their weapon for protection, but would not have had time to get those bad habits deeply ingrained.
 
2012-01-23 03:33:28 PM

dustbunnyboo: On the other hand, you are correct; no one should be denied the right to self-defence when they need it. In my state, hunter safety is cheap as dirt, and counts as a a gun safety class. It does take 4 nights, though, and about 20 hours, iirc.

Maybe if the person promised to take a class within a reasonable amount of time after the purchase? They would then have their weapon for protection, but would not have had time to get those bad habits deeply ingrained.


Here in WA there is no training requirement for CCW, and I like that. I had all the right training growing up, and the only training I need is force on force and tactical, things that a home/personal defense CCWer should have, but not right away. I don't feel that it's fair to force everyone to pay for something that only some people need.

OTOH, you're right... nothing quite like having someone cover you with a muzzle when you're at a store or show.

I think every gun sold should have a local trainer's business card with it, and the four rules should be printed on the back of the card.
 
2012-01-23 03:47:16 PM

knightofargh: While apparently a legitimate and legal shoot, I'm mentally drawing fire lanes in a typical Waffle House and not coming up with a direction with a safe backstop if you missed the robber.

Since the shooter hit his target, it's a non-issue, but this could have gone very differently.


If you can't shoot someone accurately at the maximum allowable distance within the confines of a Waffle House you shouldn't own a gun. I would bet my life on making that shot any day of the week.
 
2012-01-23 03:53:16 PM

spentmiles: imtheonlylp: lol. can't believe people are actually defending this thug - if you choose to live the life, then you choose to lose your life when it comes to situations like this....as for the other thug, hope he gets "smothered and covered" while in jail. farking thugs.

Wow. That is the most racist statement I've ever seen. You take a young man, like the one that was murdered in this article, and put him in an urban prison with absolutely no economy, no jobs, no hope for change. Give him only stealth economies and black markets where his options are limited to selling drugs or robbing people. What do you really expect him to do with himself? And then one of these victims of your white belligerence gets killed doing his job and you cannot help but jump for joy. You think one of the bad guys got taken off the street. But you know what, mister? He didn't, because you are still alive and free.


Wanna know how I know you've never been poor or lived in the ghetto?
 
2012-01-23 03:59:11 PM

JackieRabbit: Frantic Freddie: JackieRabbit

(ever fired a .45. It can take you off your feet.)

Wanna know how I know you've never fired a .45?

I've fired on many times. Army medic in days bast and had to carry one and demonstrate proficiency. So fark you.


You don't have to lie to kick it. The Army hasn't issued .45s for many MANY years, and even then sidearms are for officers, Medics get muskets.
 
2012-01-23 04:00:44 PM

OneGungHoSOB: If you can't shoot someone accurately at the maximum allowable distance within the confines of a Waffle House you shouldn't own a gun. I would bet my life on making that shot any day of the week.


The guy hit the first perp and missed the second.

OneGungHoSOB: Wanna know how I know you've never been poor or lived in the ghetto?


Spentmiles is a known and constant troll. Favorite him with some obvious color and move on.
 
2012-01-23 04:05:12 PM
i237.photobucket.com
 
2012-01-23 04:59:13 PM
He pulled first
i1136.photobucket.com
So it was justified
 
2012-01-23 05:45:25 PM
I can't wait to hear what the corporate Waffle House folks have to say about this. There is a sign mounted to every one of their buildings stating that no firearm is permitted inside. In Georgia, they have to ask me to leave it outside. If I refuse then they can have me arrested for trespassing. I'm not sure what the laws of South Carolina are on the topic.

/Never been asked to leave it in the car.
//Would never go there again if I was asked.
 
2012-01-23 05:58:56 PM

TunaTacoTaster: I can't wait to hear what the corporate Waffle House folks have to say about this. There is a sign mounted to every one of their buildings stating that no firearm is permitted inside. In Georgia, they have to ask me to leave it outside. If I refuse then they can have me arrested for trespassing. I'm not sure what the laws of South Carolina are on the topic.

/Never been asked to leave it in the car.
//Would never go there again if I was asked.



Interesting. If their SC stores have the same sign, I believe that the sign has the force of law... Yep:
Places Off-Limits Even With A Permit/License:
Any Place a sign posted states, "No Concealable Weapons Allowed" in accordance with Section 23-31-235. (sign must meet requirements).
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I went and looked, their "In the News" section of their website doesn't have a link to this story :-D

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2012-01-23 06:47:41 PM
I have a concealed-carry permit, and I own about 30 handguns, but I dunno if I'd a done that. You have to weigh the personal discomfort of sitting through a robbery (which scares people and hurts Waffle House hardly at all) with the personal trauma of having killed a dude. From what I hear, that is not a small thing. I can see killing somebody to protect yourself or others, but I can't see feeling good about it.
 
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