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(Discover)   In today's attempt at exploding a tag, we try reporting the finding that gym teachers tend to have relatively low SAT scores   (blogs.discovermagazine.com) divider line 30
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2012-01-23 02:03:23 AM
Physical education teacher: get paid to tell people to run their asses off or do something stupid.
 
2012-01-23 02:09:17 AM
My school then was... special.
Our PE teacher was also the head football coach. Nothing special there, right?
He also taught Driver's Ed. Again, nothing special.

But to set him apart, he then taught Cisco networking and Calc 2 and he was a bus driver. There was one semester of high school I, quite literally, followed him around all day.
Apparently what had happened was this: He played college football. He majored in math, minored in education. When he went to go get a job, he took it as a math teacher. When the football coach retired/quit, he took over. When funding for an advance computer class was offered, he said he could teach it after he got the certs - he easily got them within a month.

/Chem II teacher was the assistant coach.
//The art teacher taught some advanced history classes.
 
2012-01-23 02:13:11 AM
Certainly where I came from noone could be a teacher of any kind without a bachelors and teaching cert. There was no way any thickies were ending up teaching anything.
 
2012-01-23 02:26:57 AM
Wow, black students trail Asians and whites by a really large margin. Black students better get their shiat together or the future of their race doesn't look promising.
 
2012-01-23 02:39:16 AM

Zimmy: My school then was... special.
Our PE teacher was also the head football coach. Nothing special there, right?
He also taught Driver's Ed. Again, nothing special.

But to set him apart, he then taught Cisco networking and Calc 2 and he was a bus driver. There was one semester of high school I, quite literally, followed him around all day.
Apparently what had happened was this: He played college football. He majored in math, minored in education. When he went to go get a job, he took it as a math teacher. When the football coach retired/quit, he took over. When funding for an advance computer class was offered, he said he could teach it after he got the certs - he easily got them within a month.

/Chem II teacher was the assistant coach.
//The art teacher taught some advanced history classes.


My junior year English teacher was the girls volleyball coach (despite being 4'11") and was also our robotics advisor (she was married to an engineer).

/my trig & BC Calc teacher was also the dance team instructor and cheerleading coach.
//she wasn't the greatest math teacher, but she also didn't care what we did after she finished the lesson as long as we remained in the classroom.
 
2012-01-23 02:58:49 AM
Why would you need to take the SAT if you've already got a job teaching gym? Is it common for schools to give instructor positions to people that don't have their Bachelor's already?
 
2012-01-23 03:18:49 AM

turbidum: Zimmy: My school then was... special.
Our PE teacher was also the head football coach. Nothing special there, right?
He also taught Driver's Ed. Again, nothing special.

But to set him apart, he then taught Cisco networking and Calc 2 and he was a bus driver. There was one semester of high school I, quite literally, followed him around all day.
Apparently what had happened was this: He played college football. He majored in math, minored in education. When he went to go get a job, he took it as a math teacher. When the football coach retired/quit, he took over. When funding for an advance computer class was offered, he said he could teach it after he got the certs - he easily got them within a month.

/Chem II teacher was the assistant coach.
//The art teacher taught some advanced history classes.

My junior year English teacher was the girls volleyball coach (despite being 4'11") and was also our robotics advisor (she was married to an engineer).

/my trig & BC Calc teacher was also the dance team instructor and cheerleading coach.
//she wasn't the greatest math teacher, but she also didn't care what we did after she finished the lesson as long as we remained in the classroom.


Sounds like we all went to similar schools. At ours the programming and general computer teacher was the track coach, another one of the coaches (can't remember which sport) was the drafting teacher, one of the football coaches was the drivers ed instructor, and so on.
 
2012-01-23 03:39:07 AM

Hacker_X: turbidum: Zimmy: My school then was... special.
Our PE teacher was also the head football coach. Nothing special there, right?
He also taught Driver's Ed. Again, nothing special.

But to set him apart, he then taught Cisco networking and Calc 2 and he was a bus driver. There was one semester of high school I, quite literally, followed him around all day.
Apparently what had happened was this: He played college football. He majored in math, minored in education. When he went to go get a job, he took it as a math teacher. When the football coach retired/quit, he took over. When funding for an advance computer class was offered, he said he could teach it after he got the certs - he easily got them within a month.

/Chem II teacher was the assistant coach.
//The art teacher taught some advanced history classes.

My junior year English teacher was the girls volleyball coach (despite being 4'11") and was also our robotics advisor (she was married to an engineer).

/my trig & BC Calc teacher was also the dance team instructor and cheerleading coach.
//she wasn't the greatest math teacher, but she also didn't care what we did after she finished the lesson as long as we remained in the classroom.

Sounds like we all went to similar schools. At ours the programming and general computer teacher was the track coach, another one of the coaches (can't remember which sport) was the drafting teacher, one of the football coaches was the drivers ed instructor, and so on.


Yep, I think we did

Surf team coach taught Honors English and various literature electives, had his Masters.
Girls basketball coach taught Calculus, Trig, etc.
Computer Science teacher was a track coach and athletic director.
Wrestling coach taught British Lit.
And for lulz the shop teacher was the head ref on the original American Gladiators and a Pac10 football referee and the AP Chemistry teacher played for the Kentucky Generals and was a basketball assistant.
 
2012-01-23 03:46:41 AM
I had a gym teacher who was a real red-headed fox. We were so busy ogling her goodies, I doubt anybody would have noticed her IQ even if it was in the high 300s.
 
2012-01-23 03:59:34 AM
This is relevant because those who major in education at university are notoriously rather weak students.
Citation needed.

Weak students (bad grades) and weak students(bad SATs) are two different things. One tests test taking ability, the other tests work ethic (in a really broad manner of speaking). Also, why use a metric that judges you before you become a college student?

And in any case, no offense to the teaching profession, but if there is outreach to Asian Americans to encourage their children to become teachers there may be violent repercussions
OK, now I know you are talking out your arse.
 
2012-01-23 04:30:52 AM
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Has an IQ of 6,000 - about the same IQ as 6,000 PE teachers.
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2012-01-23 04:39:14 AM

Smidge204: [upload.wikimedia.org image 150x136]

Has an IQ of 6,000 - about the same IQ as 6,000 PE teachers.
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So, 6,000 PE teachers each have an IQ of 6,000? Impressive.
 
2012-01-23 04:48:29 AM
I'm glad there are exceptions, and most of the team coaches* were the smartest teachers in my high school, but the gym teachers were definitely on the low end of the IQ spectrum.

*football, basketball, cross-country, volleyball, etc., who also taught English, History, Math, and not Gym
 
2012-01-23 06:26:19 AM
When your gym teacher uses a computer program to determine what your weight sets should be when all it took was a chart and the ability to multiply...
 
2012-01-23 06:30:40 AM
Most of our coaches seem to come from the History department - although many (not all) of them are also excellent teachers. I coached for a number of years but got a lot of strange looks at coaching clinics when I mentioned I taught Chemistry.
 
2012-01-23 07:16:06 AM
I'm studying for my Masters in Math Ed right now and have my eye on a PhD level degree in education.

The educational system in this country is seriously farked. I currently work at a large state university doing a variety of things, including working as a math tutor. I specialize in the remedial levels of math - 09, 101B, 102, 105. The biggest challenge is the 09 students - these are people who struggle with 6th grade math, like adding fractions and stuff. These aren't non-trad students who've been away from school for 20 years, these are kids fresh from high school. I'm mystified. I want to grab them by the shoulders and shake them and say, "How the hell did you graduate high school?"
 
2012-01-23 08:10:25 AM

gaspode: Certainly where I came from noone could be a teacher of any kind without a bachelors and teaching cert. There was no way any thickies were ending up teaching anything.


As someone who works at a pricey private college whose bread and butter is education degrees, both undergrad and grad, I find this comment quite hilarious. Thank you for my first smile of the day.
 
2012-01-23 08:40:54 AM

bhcompy: Hacker_X: turbidum: Zimmy: My school then was... special.
Our PE teacher was also the head football coach. Nothing special there, right?
He also taught Driver's Ed. Again, nothing special.

But to set him apart, he then taught Cisco networking and Calc 2 and he was a bus driver. There was one semester of high school I, quite literally, followed him around all day.
Apparently what had happened was this: He played college football. He majored in math, minored in education. When he went to go get a job, he took it as a math teacher. When the football coach retired/quit, he took over. When funding for an advance computer class was offered, he said he could teach it after he got the certs - he easily got them within a month.

/Chem II teacher was the assistant coach.
//The art teacher taught some advanced history classes.

My junior year English teacher was the girls volleyball coach (despite being 4'11") and was also our robotics advisor (she was married to an engineer).

/my trig & BC Calc teacher was also the dance team instructor and cheerleading coach.
//she wasn't the greatest math teacher, but she also didn't care what we did after she finished the lesson as long as we remained in the classroom.

Sounds like we all went to similar schools. At ours the programming and general computer teacher was the track coach, another one of the coaches (can't remember which sport) was the drafting teacher, one of the football coaches was the drivers ed instructor, and so on.

Yep, I think we did

Surf team coach taught Honors English and various literature electives, had his Masters.
Girls basketball coach taught Calculus, Trig, etc.
Computer Science teacher was a track coach and athletic director.
Wrestling coach taught British Lit.
And for lulz the shop teacher was the head ref on the original American Gladiators and a Pac10 football referee and the AP Chemistry teacher played for the Kentucky Generals and was a basketball assistant.


Kentucky Colonels. Its an honorific in the state, but also the pro team we had in the ABA.
 
2012-01-23 09:43:31 AM
Those who can, do.
Those who can't, teach.
Those who can't teach, teach gym class.

Actually, my high school phys. ed teachers were alright...they typically taught sciences and English in addition to gym class.
 
2012-01-23 12:07:42 PM
Been true for a long, long time. I graduated from high school in '70 sans driver's ed, because the 'coach' crashed one of the cars demonstrating "How not to merge on a highway". Don't know why they kept him around, our football team won one game in the four years I was there.
 
2012-01-23 12:20:17 PM

Toquinha: Those who can, do.
Those who can't, teach.
Those who can't teach, teach gym class.

Actually, my high school phys. ed teachers were alright...they typically taught sciences and English in addition to gym class.


Came to post this.

Our gym teacher was a retired jarhead; not the sharpest crayon in the box, but taught some good life lessons.
 
2012-01-23 01:06:33 PM

FrancoFile: Toquinha: Those who can, do.
Those who can't, teach.
Those who can't teach, teach gym class.

Actually, my high school phys. ed teachers were alright...they typically taught sciences and English in addition to gym class.

Came to post this.

Our gym teacher was a retired jarhead; not the sharpest crayon in the box, but taught some good life lessons.


That's a great thing for a gym teacher to be teaching.

However, I have had one of the aforementioned 'science cum gym' teachers, the proverbial dumb jock who I as a smart-aleck junior high student schooled on a regular basis.
 
2012-01-23 01:16:55 PM
So, hurr durr, jocks dumb?
 
2012-01-23 02:10:11 PM
Well, that whole running and jumping thing does get complicated
 
2012-01-23 02:53:24 PM
Gym for me was a waste. It wasn't a workout, I didn't learn how the body works, I didn't get better at playing sports. We played some baseball and had too many students. You would bat once a farking day.

Waste.
 
2012-01-23 03:16:30 PM

Macular Degenerate: I'm studying for my Masters in Math Ed right now and have my eye on a PhD level degree in education.

The educational system in this country is seriously farked. I currently work at a large state university doing a variety of things, including working as a math tutor. I specialize in the remedial levels of math - 09, 101B, 102, 105. The biggest challenge is the 09 students - these are people who struggle with 6th grade math, like adding fractions and stuff. These aren't non-trad students who've been away from school for 20 years, these are kids fresh from high school. I'm mystified. I want to grab them by the shoulders and shake them and say, "How the hell did you graduate high school?"


Social-promotion, helicopter parents with lawyers, counselors that make excuses for kids, dwindling school budgets that make retention next to impossible, etc.

/teacher for the past decade...seen it all - Wont dumb down my standards though.
 
2012-01-23 03:30:50 PM

Macular Degenerate: I'm studying for my Masters in Math Ed right now and have my eye on a PhD level degree in education.

The educational system in this country is seriously farked. I currently work at a large state university doing a variety of things, including working as a math tutor. I specialize in the remedial levels of math - 09, 101B, 102, 105. The biggest challenge is the 09 students - these are people who struggle with 6th grade math, like adding fractions and stuff. These aren't non-trad students who've been away from school for 20 years, these are kids fresh from high school. I'm mystified. I want to grab them by the shoulders and shake them and say, "How the hell did you graduate high school?"


Since you're in math education maybe you can help me out. What do you think would be the best way to refresh myself for passing a few placement tests I need for school? It's been over a decade since I touched anything at trig level or above and the placement test is for calculus(so, show knowledge of trig and precalc concepts to show I'm ready). I'm looking for an application/book/video series/something that would provide a good refresher without treating me like I never did it before. Any ideas?
 
2012-01-23 03:59:02 PM

bhcompy: Macular Degenerate: I'm studying for my Masters in Math Ed right now and have my eye on a PhD level degree in education.

The educational system in this country is seriously farked. I currently work at a large state university doing a variety of things, including working as a math tutor. I specialize in the remedial levels of math - 09, 101B, 102, 105. The biggest challenge is the 09 students - these are people who struggle with 6th grade math, like adding fractions and stuff. These aren't non-trad students who've been away from school for 20 years, these are kids fresh from high school. I'm mystified. I want to grab them by the shoulders and shake them and say, "How the hell did you graduate high school?"

Since you're in math education maybe you can help me out. What do you think would be the best way to refresh myself for passing a few placement tests I need for school? It's been over a decade since I touched anything at trig level or above and the placement test is for calculus(so, show knowledge of trig and precalc concepts to show I'm ready). I'm looking for an application/book/video series/something that would provide a good refresher without treating me like I never did it before. Any ideas?


Kahn Academy?

Link (new window)
 
2012-01-23 07:28:16 PM

dittybopper: gaspode: Certainly where I came from noone could be a teacher of any kind without a bachelors and teaching cert. There was no way any thickies were ending up teaching anything.

As someone who works at a pricey private college whose bread and butter is education degrees, both undergrad and grad, I find this comment quite hilarious. Thank you for my first smile of the day.


This was England in the 70s-80s. Anyone wanting to teach had to have a regular bachelors degree first (I dont even believe there WAS such a thing as undergrad in teaching) then do a post-grad teaching cert. The teaching cert could be a joke though, Ill agree on that, my sister-in-law got to be an art teacher and wasnt a competent teacher at all. She was however far from thick.

Degree mills didnt really exist in that setting, I guess unless you were very loaded and then who wants to be a teacher??
 
2012-01-23 09:44:39 PM

gaspode: Degree mills didnt really exist in that setting, I guess unless you were very loaded and then who wants to be a teacher??


I don't work at a degree mill.

That doesn't mean that I'm impressed with the intelligence of the average student who gets a degree there.
 
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