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2012-01-22 04:46:33 PM  

theorellior: KrispyKritter: don't understand how or why va jay jay was ever considered fair grounds for some religion or government to claim ruling authority over.

Sex = joy. Control the joy, control the population.

Sex = offspring. Control the offspring, control the future.


i thank you. i learned something today.
 
2012-01-22 04:47:14 PM  

Braindeath: There shouldn't be a continued discussion. Abortion is and should remain legal to anyone who needs/wants it.

Birth Control should be freely available, encouraged, and paid for by the government.

People who are not mature enough to deal with the idea that people have sex should be excluded from conversations about these issues.


Seriously agreed, please.

Thank you.
 
2012-01-22 04:47:59 PM  

Melvin Lovecraft: Wow. A level-headed politician making total sense about an issue that shouldn't really be an issue. If I may borrow another Farker's idiom (don't remember who it was, but it was funny), it's as clear as beer piss that abortion should be readily available. That's not to say it should be used as birth control, but if you think it through, it's a good thing, because women who WOULD use it as such shouldn't be parents. Or, another way, I pity the child that is FORCED to be born to a parent who doesn't want it.

/Good on you, Diana DeGette


You may mean me. My opinion on the subject has always been that the pro-choice crowd is full of shiat. Abortion is murder, and any woman who - when faced with a child - would rather kill it than raise it? Well I'd rather not have the kid raised by that woman in school with mine. I don't like abortion but it should be legal.
 
2012-01-22 04:48:17 PM  

Teknowaffle: Cool, you pop out the baby, I won't pay for it if I didn't have any say.



This point never seems to get any traction.
 
2012-01-22 04:50:12 PM  

ashinmytomatoes: I'm glad I can't have kids and I would definitely vote for the congresswoman in tfa. It is up to the woman to decide.


That is fine.
But since it is 100% her decision and her body, don't ask the sperm donor to pay for support if she decides to keep the baby.
 
2012-01-22 04:52:45 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Teknowaffle: Cool, you pop out the baby, I won't pay for it if I didn't have any say.


This point never seems to get any traction.


That's because it's battling a mix of concern for the child (you pay in the kid's name to the mother) and a puritanical attitude that sex should be punished.
 
2012-01-22 04:54:40 PM  
Jim Baker's current wife has had 5 abortions. Apparently it's OK with her...
 
2012-01-22 04:56:04 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Teknowaffle: Cool, you pop out the baby, I won't pay for it if I didn't have any say.


This point never seems to get any traction.


Maybe b/c it's a run-on?
 
2012-01-22 05:00:31 PM  

airplane_mech2: Jim Baker's current wife has had 5 abortions. Apparently it's OK with her...


The Only Moral Abortion is My Abortion
 
2012-01-22 05:03:18 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Teknowaffle: Cool, you pop out the baby, I won't pay for it if I didn't have any say.


This point never seems to get any traction.


Probably because it's ridiculous.
 
2012-01-22 05:03:33 PM  
My S/O is a sekrit Wiccan and works in health care in a hub for the regional small towns. A coworker wanted to have a certain procedures done which required a physical. A handful of people in the organization are qualified to do the physical. The coworker specifically required my s/o because she knew my s/o was 'cool' and wouldn't judge or scold her for having an abortion as a teen.

So out of 8 people, she only felt comfortable telling the sekrit wiccan that she had an abortion.

We need an attitude change in this country. I'm not saying go around and advertise your abortion, but one should feel comfortable and confident discussing abortions with the appropriate health care professionals and not have to live in fear of retaliation because you had a medical procedure done.


/gets off soapbox
 
2012-01-22 05:06:42 PM  
By raising awareness and fighting to preserve access to comprehensive reproductive health care, we can ensure that abortions are safe, legal, and above all, rare. For me, it's just common sense.

Why would a pro choice writer care how many abortions there are?

Victims? Don't be melodramatic. Look down there. Would you really feel any pity if one of those dots stopped moving forever? If I offered you 20,000 pounds for every dot that stopped, would you really, old man, tell me to keep my money? Or would you calculate how many dots you could afford to spare? Free of income tax, old man, free of income tax. The only way you can save money nowadays. ~ Harry Lime
 
2012-01-22 05:06:48 PM  

doglover: eroticarta2z.com


I love the smell of morans burned for hotlinking in the afternoon. it smells like... fail.
 
2012-01-22 05:08:03 PM  
Yayyyyyyy
 
2012-01-22 05:09:10 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Teknowaffle: Cool, you pop out the baby, I won't pay for it if I didn't have any say.


This point never seems to get any traction.


I wonder if that could be handled with a EULA.

Hers could say "By inserting your penis into my vagina, you accept responsibility for any child that may result."

However, his could say "My sperm is a gift. By accepting this gift, you absolve me of any responsibility for the result its use."
 
2012-01-22 05:17:57 PM  

Bevets: By raising awareness and fighting to preserve access to comprehensive reproductive health care, we can ensure that abortions are safe, legal, and above all, rare. For me, it's just common sense.

Why would a pro choice writer care how many abortions there are?


Oh good, a Bevets sighting!

The answer is we don't care! We want to kill as many unborn babies as possible to appease our evil overlords.

But seriously, Bevets, if you can't fathom why some people want women to have a choice regarding abortion, but understand there are better ways to avoid having an unwanted child (sex education and access to contraceptives for example) then you need to pull your head out of your ass.
 
2012-01-22 05:20:06 PM  

Bevets: By raising awareness and fighting to preserve access to comprehensive reproductive health care, we can ensure that abortions are safe, legal, and above all, rare. For me, it's just common sense.

Why would a pro choice writer care how many abortions there are?

Victims? Don't be melodramatic. Look down there. Would you really feel any pity if one of those dots stopped moving forever? If I offered you 20,000 pounds for every dot that stopped, would you really, old man, tell me to keep my money? Or would you calculate how many dots you could afford to spare? Free of income tax, old man, free of income tax. The only way you can save money nowadays. ~ Harry Lime


Wow.

Hah!

Heh!

Bam...

;)

P.S. Bevets, I call BS before you even really start, dude, b/c yer delusionally in love with oral inanity...
 
2012-01-22 05:26:47 PM  
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2012-01-22 05:30:26 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: ashinmytomatoes: I'm glad I can't have kids and I would definitely vote for the congresswoman in tfa. It is up to the woman to decide.

That is fine.
But since it is 100% her decision and her body, don't ask the sperm donor to pay for support if she decides to keep the baby.


No, dude. You get your say before conception. You don't get to dip your wick and then opt-out whenever you want. Once you're in all the way, you're in all the way. If you don't wanna be in, don't get in.
 
2012-01-22 05:38:25 PM  

Digitalstrange: Melvin Lovecraft: Wow. A level-headed politician making total sense about an issue that shouldn't really be an issue. If I may borrow another Farker's idiom (don't remember who it was, but it was funny), it's as clear as beer piss that abortion should be readily available. That's not to say it should be used as birth control, but if you think it through, it's a good thing, because women who WOULD use it as such shouldn't be parents. Or, another way, I pity the child that is FORCED to be born to a parent who doesn't want it.

/Good on you, Diana DeGette

You may mean me. My opinion on the subject has always been that the pro-choice crowd is full of shiat. Abortion is murder, and any woman who - when faced with a child - would rather kill it than raise it? Well I'd rather not have the kid raised by that woman in school with mine. I don't like abortion but it should be legal.


I'm glad we can disagree without being childish! (Love the "clear as beer piss" thing!) I don't see early term abortion as murder, particularly within days of conception, a la "morning after pill". But, I should have prefaced by totally agreeing with the painfully obvious option of birth control. Think before you fark!
 
2012-01-22 05:43:00 PM  
I'm not in favor of abortion and it's not a choice I would make, but believe that it should be the woman's choice.

However, for all those people opposed to abortion, I've never seen a reasonable argument to permit abortion in cases of rape or incest. Is that fetus somehow less human and less deserving of life?
 
2012-01-22 06:21:49 PM  
Since most abortions are for 'social' reasons the rape, incest or health arguments don't hold water. Eventually the pro-life/anti-abortion people will out breed the pro-choice/anti-life/whatever-spin people.

The only difference in a fetus and a child is size / age. They are just immature humans.

By pro-choice logic it should be my choice to kill my children as they are living in my house rent free and parasitically leeching off of me. And since they are not fully developed they have less rights than a 'real' human....
 
2012-01-22 06:22:38 PM  

wambu: I'm not in favor of abortion and it's not a choice I would make, but believe that it should be the woman's choice.

However, for all those people opposed to abortion, I've never seen a reasonable argument to permit abortion in cases of rape or incest. Is that fetus somehow less human and less deserving of life?


What kind of life would it have with a mother that's reminded of a brutal attack or abuse every time she looks at it? It would be like having to feed and nurture a walking, talking memorial of the worst thing that's ever happened to you. Plus the added bonus that the kid might look like the person that's scarred you for life. Sounds like the basis of a healthy mother-child relationship to me.
 
2012-01-22 06:30:51 PM  

Phototoxin: Since most abortions are for 'social' reasons the rape, incest or health arguments don't hold water. Eventually the pro-life/anti-abortion people will out breed the pro-choice/anti-life/whatever-spin people.

The only difference in a fetus and a child is size / age. They are just immature humans.

By pro-choice logic it should be my choice to kill my children as they are living in my house rent free and parasitically leeching off of me. And since they are not fully developed they have less rights than a 'real' human....


Um, no.

Yer logic is flawed.

If there was a system to take care of them w/o disparagement, yes, it would be goofy to limit new consciousness, but you live in a finite system where disparagement abounds, so what are you to do with your limited perspective of life? Limited by religion, lack of education, and fear...

Your science hasn't helped you much.

Your religion is almost laughable as a system of knowledge anymore.

You rely on things you can't grasp as your rudder.

You discount the real that you feel.

You flounder.

Why?

It's all within your grasp.

Put away yer fear. Wear yer heart.

Sometimes life in the moment works, and sometimes it doesn't.

We war this all the time like the labels are ascribed...

Seriously.

Please don't disrespect my mind.

Please don't piss me off.

Thank you.

;)

P.S. You might be smarter than me, and you might not.
 
2012-01-22 06:30:57 PM  

Melvin Lovecraft: Wow. A level-headed politician making total sense about an issue that shouldn't really be an issue. If I may borrow another Farker's idiom (don't remember who it was, but it was funny), it's as clear as beer piss that abortion should be readily available. That's not to say it should be used as birth control, but if you think it through, it's a good thing, because women who WOULD use it as such shouldn't be parents. Or, another way, I pity the child that is FORCED to be born to a parent who doesn't want it.

/Good on you, Diana DeGette


Absolutely. Kids are great (okay MOSTLY great... Kinda... Eh), BUT... They are without a doubt one of the most important, far-reaching, infuriating, life-changing decisions a person can make. They can be the difference between happiness and misery, wealth and poverty, success and simply spending time waiting for death. And that's if they're healthy! God forbid they have medical issues, or you have more than what you can reasonably afford!

I vehemently believe in the idea that every child should be wanted because that is how we create healthy people and a society that is light-years better than what we have now, and I think abortions are a tool that must be available for that to be realized. It'd be perfect if we had birth control that worked all the time, but the sad fact is we don't and therefore abortion should be considered a reasonable stop-gap measure for those who cannot afford (financially, emotionally, etc) to have a child, for those with medical issues beyond what the parents can bear (ditto), or for, as you say... Well. Frankly... Those who really probably would not be the best parents. Better parents, better world. :)
 
2012-01-22 06:31:57 PM  

Indubitably: Phototoxin: Since most abortions are for 'social' reasons the rape, incest or health arguments don't hold water. Eventually the pro-life/anti-abortion people will out breed the pro-choice/anti-life/whatever-spin people.

The only difference in a fetus and a child is size / age. They are just immature humans.

By pro-choice logic it should be my choice to kill my children as they are living in my house rent free and parasitically leeching off of me. And since they are not fully developed they have less rights than a 'real' human....

Um, no.

Yer logic is flawed.

If there was a system to take care of them w/o disparagement, yes, it would be goofy to limit new consciousness, but you live in a finite system where disparagement abounds, so what are you to do with your limited perspective of life? Limited by religion, lack of education, and fear...

Your science hasn't helped you much.

Your religion is almost laughable as a system of knowledge anymore.

You rely on things you can't grasp as your rudder.

You discount the real that you feel.

You flounder.

Why?

It's all within your grasp.

Put away yer fear. Wear yer heart.

Sometimes life in the moment works, and sometimes it doesn't.

We war this all the time like the labels are ascribed...

Seriously.

Please don't disrespect my mind.

Please don't piss me off.

Thank you.

;)

P.S. You might be smarter than me, and you might not.


Bam.
 
2012-01-22 06:32:47 PM  
As long as the pregnancy doesn't pose a threat to the woman's life and isn't a rape baby I believe she shouldn't be allowed to get an abortion without considerations of the father. Either that or make it so men don't have to pay child support, because if we don't get a say in weather or not our babies live or die then we shouldn't have to pay for them either.
 
2012-01-22 06:33:26 PM  

plywood canoe: wambu: I'm not in favor of abortion and it's not a choice I would make, but believe that it should be the woman's choice.

However, for all those people opposed to abortion, I've never seen a reasonable argument to permit abortion in cases of rape or incest. Is that fetus somehow less human and less deserving of life?

What kind of life would it have with a mother that's reminded of a brutal attack or abuse every time she looks at it? It would be like having to feed and nurture a walking, talking memorial of the worst thing that's ever happened to you. Plus the added bonus that the kid might look like the person that's scarred you for life. Sounds like the basis of a healthy mother-child relationship to me.


No one says you have to keep a child who is the product of rape. There's adoption for that.

/I'm pro-choice no matter the circumstances, but I agree: if one pregnancy is sacred and untouchable, they all should be
 
2012-01-22 06:36:43 PM  

Chinchillazilla: plywood canoe: wambu: I'm not in favor of abortion and it's not a choice I would make, but believe that it should be the woman's choice.

However, for all those people opposed to abortion, I've never seen a reasonable argument to permit abortion in cases of rape or incest. Is that fetus somehow less human and less deserving of life?

What kind of life would it have with a mother that's reminded of a brutal attack or abuse every time she looks at it? It would be like having to feed and nurture a walking, talking memorial of the worst thing that's ever happened to you. Plus the added bonus that the kid might look like the person that's scarred you for life. Sounds like the basis of a healthy mother-child relationship to me.

No one says you have to keep a child who is the product of rape. There's adoption for that.

/I'm pro-choice no matter the circumstances, but I agree: if one pregnancy is sacred and untouchable, they all should be


Life is consciousness.

Consciousness is recyclable.

Life is recyclable.

;)

P.S. This is not a condonement of violence, far from it, you kill it, it will find you and remind you of that fact, and woe be it bigger than you and reminding you hurts...;)
 
2012-01-22 06:37:54 PM  
Is it so hard for singers to remember that "Star Spangled Banner" IS IN 3/4 TIME?!?!?
 
2012-01-22 06:38:29 PM  
Aaaaaand I posted in the wrong tab
 
2012-01-22 07:08:20 PM  
I hear Oracle is developing an enterprise uterus management software suite.

Google search's first hit for "enterprise uterus management" is this link: REPRODUCTIVE MANAGEMENT OF THE MEAT GOAT

// The more you know
 
2012-01-22 07:32:02 PM  

Indubitably: Indubitably: Phototoxin: Since most abortions are for 'social' reasons the rape, incest or health arguments don't hold water. Eventually the pro-life/anti-abortion people will out breed the pro-choice/anti-life/whatever-spin people.

The only difference in a fetus and a child is size / age. They are just immature humans.

By pro-choice logic it should be my choice to kill my children as they are living in my house rent free and parasitically leeching off of me. And since they are not fully developed they have less rights than a 'real' human....

Um, no.

Yer logic is flawed.

If there was a system to take care of them w/o disparagement, yes, it would be goofy to limit new consciousness, but you live in a finite system where disparagement abounds, so what are you to do with your limited perspective of life? Limited by religion, lack of education, and fear...

Your science hasn't helped you much.

Your religion is almost laughable as a system of knowledge anymore.

You rely on things you can't grasp as your rudder.

You discount the real that you feel.

You flounder.

Why?

It's all within your grasp.

Put away yer fear. Wear yer heart.

Sometimes life in the moment works, and sometimes it doesn't.

We war this all the time like the labels are ascribed...

Seriously.

Please don't disrespect my mind.

Please don't piss me off.

Thank you.

;)

P.S. You might be smarter than me, and you might not.

Bam.


You aren't helping.
 
2012-01-22 07:43:47 PM  

coordman: Indubitably: Indubitably: Phototoxin: Since most abortions are for 'social' reasons the rape, incest or health arguments don't hold water. Eventually the pro-life/anti-abortion people will out breed the pro-choice/anti-life/whatever-spin people.

The only difference in a fetus and a child is size / age. They are just immature humans.

By pro-choice logic it should be my choice to kill my children as they are living in my house rent free and parasitically leeching off of me. And since they are not fully developed they have less rights than a 'real' human....

Um, no.

Yer logic is flawed.

If there was a system to take care of them w/o disparagement, yes, it would be goofy to limit new consciousness, but you live in a finite system where disparagement abounds, so what are you to do with your limited perspective of life? Limited by religion, lack of education, and fear...

Your science hasn't helped you much.

Your religion is almost laughable as a system of knowledge anymore.

You rely on things you can't grasp as your rudder.

You discount the real that you feel.

You flounder.

Why?

It's all within your grasp.

Put away yer fear. Wear yer heart.

Sometimes life in the moment works, and sometimes it doesn't.

We war this all the time like the labels are ascribed...

Seriously.

Please don't disrespect my mind.

Please don't piss me off.

Thank you.

;)

P.S. You might be smarter than me, and you might not.

Bam.

You aren't helping.


And how are babbies formed?
 
2012-01-22 07:44:17 PM  
7 billion people on this planet. How many more before the earth decides to get itself flee-dipped?
 
2012-01-22 07:53:51 PM  
What I don't get is why people who are for abortions would be not support assisted suicide.
 
2012-01-22 07:54:30 PM  

Melvin Lovecraft: Wow. A level-headed politician making total sense about an issue that shouldn't really be an issue. If I may borrow another Farker's idiom (don't remember who it was, but it was funny), it's as clear as beer piss that abortion should be readily available. That's not to say it should be used as birth control, but if you think it through, it's a good thing, because women who WOULD use it as such shouldn't be parents. Or, another way, I pity the child that is FORCED to be born to a parent who doesn't want it.

/Good on you, Diana DeGette


This is pretty similar to how I feel about the issue.
 
2012-01-22 07:57:17 PM  

i_got_no_strings: I know it's rooted in a very fundamentalist type of religion, but it just runs contrary to all logic.


Here's the logic: within that religious precept is the concept of delayed gratification...okay, so it's gratification delayed until the church says it's okay to tear off a piece, and that certainly is odd to many, but when practiced correctly it does happen to get people to the stage where when they do have a child everybody's got a much better shot at making things work out.

And it's delayed gratification that's the way to pitch the skeptics on sex education - include it as part of a curriculum on the value of delayed gratification. People fark up their lives in all kinds of ways because they can't or (more likely) won't practice delayed gratification. They do dumb things with money like buy $200 sneakers and lottery tickets, they smoke, drink to excess, use drugs, get fat and sedentary, and screw anything with a pulse.
 
2012-01-22 08:07:25 PM  

plywood canoe: What kind of life would it have with a mother that's reminded of a brutal attack or abuse every time she looks at it? It would be like having to feed and nurture a walking, talking memorial of the worst thing that's ever happened to you.


Anybody who's been with an abusive partner can say the exact same thing. And anyway...nobody gets to make those assumptions about the future.

The basis for not including a rape/incest clause is because whatever the rights of a fetus may be, they should be equal under the law, and also...the exception is a weaselly pander to simpletons who think "ewwwwwww" is a sufficient basis on which to write legislation.

You show the stats from a checkup on a healthy fetus to an OB-GYN, and they will have no way to know how it was conceived.
 
2012-01-22 08:22:00 PM  

Gawdzila: No, dude. You get your say before conception. You don't get to dip your wick and then opt-out whenever you want. Once you're in all the way, you're in all the way. If you don't wanna be in, don't get in.


The same could be said about the woman and could be used as an argument against abortion in general.
 
2012-01-22 08:34:50 PM  

Gulper Eel: plywood canoe: What kind of life would it have with a mother that's reminded of a brutal attack or abuse every time she looks at it? It would be like having to feed and nurture a walking, talking memorial of the worst thing that's ever happened to you.

Anybody who's been with an abusive partner can say the exact same thing. And anyway...nobody gets to make those assumptions about the future.

The basis for not including a rape/incest clause is because whatever the rights of a fetus may be, they should be equal under the law, and also...the exception is a weaselly pander to simpletons who think "ewwwwwww" is a sufficient basis on which to write legislation.

You show the stats from a checkup on a healthy fetus to an OB-GYN, and they will have no way to know how it was conceived.


I never said there should be a rape/incest clause. I don't believe abortions should be illegal, therefore no clause is needed. And unless they're having one after the 11th week, it's just a tiny blob of gelatinous goo. Like a sneeze. No fetus involved.
 
2012-01-22 08:59:24 PM  

Thisbymaster: The idea with this is that uterus is like a rental property and the baby like a renter. The renter has no rights and can be evicted at anytime without due process.


Great point... since most the right-wing, anti-abortion idiots are also property-rights adherents I'd be interested in their subsequent cognitive dissonance.
 
2012-01-22 09:01:02 PM  

JungleBoogie: I hear Oracle is developing an enterprise uterus management software suite.

Google search's first hit for "enterprise uterus management" is this link: REPRODUCTIVE MANAGEMENT OF THE MEAT GOAT

// The more you know


Animal husbandry goes high-tech. These are truly the end times.


/Mmmmmm... goat.
 
2012-01-22 09:04:19 PM  

minoridiot: What I don't get is why people who are for abortions would be not support assisted suicide.


1. Nobody is "for abortions". Just about every pro-choice supporter I've come across considers abortion to be unfortunate, but sometimes necessary.

2. Plenty of people DO support assisted suicide. Why should the government give a shiat if you want to end your own life?
 
2012-01-22 10:14:35 PM  

jetzzfan: It's called uterus, not uteru!


Came here for the Simpsons, leaving happy.
 
2012-01-22 11:31:52 PM  

Thisbymaster: The idea with this is that uterus is like a rental property and the baby like a renter. The renter has no rights and can be evicted at anytime without due process.


We are all now dumber after reading your statement.

Good work, you lowered the overall IQ of FARK - Which is saying something!
 
2012-01-22 11:47:08 PM  

ElVee: Can I get a masters in Uterine Management?


From your mother's basement?

Umm.. YES! I belive there is an online Phd course available! The course material can be expensive depending on the quality you want to order though - and how quick of a STUDy you are...

I would sign up, but personally, I find that area of women to be 'icky', SO I definitely belive what they do with it is their business and nobody else's.

/Gotta go - Back to my online 'Penis Studies' Phd course!
 
2012-01-23 12:00:26 AM  

Bevets: HI Everyone (Hi Dr. Nick!).

I'm the Bevets Bot. You've all seen what I'm programmed to link to and quote by now.

Please realize I am nothing more than a computerized troll program and you should know by now that there isn't actually a brain behind it, or a person with their own thoughts.

Please enjoy my continually regurgitated derp! I am after all, a Fark Meme!


HEY Bevet's! How they hangin!

Missed you not being around for a bit! Glad to see you're back!
 
2012-01-23 01:09:30 AM  

Chinchillazilla: plywood canoe: wambu: I'm not in favor of abortion and it's not a choice I would make, but believe that it should be the woman's choice.

However, for all those people opposed to abortion, I've never seen a reasonable argument to permit abortion in cases of rape or incest. Is that fetus somehow less human and less deserving of life?

What kind of life would it have with a mother that's reminded of a brutal attack or abuse every time she looks at it? It would be like having to feed and nurture a walking, talking memorial of the worst thing that's ever happened to you. Plus the added bonus that the kid might look like the person that's scarred you for life. Sounds like the basis of a healthy mother-child relationship to me.

No one says you have to keep a child who is the product of rape. There's adoption for that.

/I'm pro-choice no matter the circumstances, but I agree: if one pregnancy is sacred and untouchable, they all should be


Here's the thing, though -- popping out a baby and giving it up for adoption is not a minor inconvenience. It's not like you're renting out a room for happy little baby to grow in while you get on with your life. Pregnancy can be trying enough even if you want it and you planned it; it changes a woman's body, in some ways permanently. Slowly and surely, month by month, the body changes and the body the woman knew at the beginning is stripped away. She can't move as easily, muscles separate, bones widen, new pains and wild hormone swings kick in. Why should a woman who has been through the trauma of rape or incest have to suffer through ~9 months of her body slipping away from her? Wouldn't every day of that just remind her that not only has her attacker taken control of her body during the initial attack, but also he continues to change her body for the full term of the pregnancy? No, a woman who is pregnant against her will, from a traumatizing situation, should never be forced to relive that trauma day in and out for 9 months, slowly feeling her body being taken from her from the inside out thanks to her rapist's child growing inside of her...that's farking horrifying!

It's an even worse idea in places like the US where, to add insult to injury, it costs MONEY to get the baby out of you. Adding a $10,000 bill to the experience I described above is insult to injury, and we're seriously getting pretty close to my ultimate nightmare scenario here. The cycle of guilt and revulsion would be mentally debilitating.

So, yeah, I can understand why some pro-life folks might give a begrudging nod to rape/incest abortions. There are some scenarios that no woman should ever, ever have to live through.
 
2012-01-23 01:23:49 AM  
Yes, the Tleilaxu did loathsome things.
 
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