Indubitably: KimNorth: Indubitably: KimNorth: Indubitably: Is this America or what?

We welcome everybody.

Welcome to America; we're open for buisness, dumbass haters who thunk diff...

You forgot your roots, and it's showing.

Dumbassery.

;)

So is every females womb, "we're open for buisness" but only the ""dumbass" contiues to add to the count when you can't even properly house, provide medical care and feed the ones you got.....

Q. Apostrophe, I summon you to deflect this misspelling troll, plz.

When one has nothing they turn to you're a troll and become a spell nazi.

You sir pulled out both cards, you mad bro?

Comma error.

Well: played, sir, well played'

FormlessOne: Gunther: Correlation ≠ causation.

Is it dropping faster than the national rate is dropping?

And we're done.

Aw, you poor thing.

spickus: Gosling: Didn't Alabama's crops largely wind up dying in the fields because there was nobody left willing to harvest?

Absolutely not, why would you think that?


Read it on some blog that declared Alabama's law a complete disaster after a whole 6 days.

relcec: [As of 2006, the United States accepts more legal immigrants as permanent residents than all other countries in the world combined.[1]*]

That's why the "U.S. doesn't let people in fast enough" argument is so mindbogglingly stupid.

To date, thus far in life, I still have yet to hear a single rational argument in favor of illegal immigration, or against enforcement of immigration law, that stands up to even the slightest scrutiny or 10 seconds of fact checking.

ThrobblefootSpectre: To date, thus far in life, I still have yet to hear a single rational argument in favor of illegal immigration, or against enforcement of immigration law, that stands up to even the slightest scrutiny or 10 seconds of fact checking.

Don't pictures of Indians and lines from The New Colossus count as rational arguments?

ThrobblefootSpectre: relcec: [As of 2006, the United States accepts more legal immigrants as permanent residents than all other countries in the world combined.[1]*]

That's why the "U.S. doesn't let people in fast enough" argument is so mindbogglingly stupid.

To date, thus far in life, I still have yet to hear a single rational argument in favor of illegal immigration, or against enforcement of immigration law, that stands up to even the slightest scrutiny or 10 seconds of fact checking.

No, realistic immigration means regulating fear more than we do now, and I know you aren't ready for that...

;)

Indubitably: relcec: imprimere: Indubitably:
What?

You OBViOUSLY don't know me very well.

No, we should add them to the r ...

We DO THAT ALREADY!!! But, there is a legal process. Millions of people do it the right way. Why should these people (illegals) get a free pass when EVERYONE ELSE has to do it the right way?

Legal Immigrants: (new window) You know, those idiots who came here legally and are also losing job opportunities to illegal immigrants.

2005. . . . . . . . .1,122,257
2006. . . . . . . . .1,266,129
2007. . . . . . . . .1,052,415
2008. . . . . . . . .1,107,126
2009. . . . . . . . .1,130,818
2010. . . . . . . . .1,042,625

/and you're damned right I am priveleged. I was born here, so I didn't have to migrate, learn a new language and wait in line
//grew up VERY poor, had to pay for my education and get a 'good job'
///can't stand what corporations are doing to ruin this country and people like you sure don't help

and those legal immigrants that come here every year legally are more than the rest of the rest of the world lets immigrate in one year COMBINED. [As of 2006, the United States accepts more legal immigrants as permanent residents than all other countries in the world combined.[1]*]

that's not even including all the illegal immigrants.

think about that. we all end up going "well shiat, he'll take 15 dollars and hour, I'll take $14.50 then, mr bossman." we have to many f*cking people. we are doing it wrong.

"hey man why haven't wages gone up since 1970? I don't know man. don't have a clue. the man."

the rest of the world isn't MORONIC like we are, and is not beholden to corporate interests/doesn't have a major political party that thinks it's own citizens livelihoods should be subordinated to people from other countries because of some retarded notion that everyone in the world deserves a slice of the american pie at our expense.

NO OTHER ELSE ON EARTH DOES THIS STUPID SHIAT!
no one.
think about that.

on the border of India and Bangladesh they s ...

Choose One:

The most unrestricted immigration system in the developed world
or
A first world welfare state with universal healthcare and high wages.

You cannot have both.

and you can quote me on that
:P

ThrobblefootSpectre: relcec: [As of 2006, the United States accepts more legal immigrants as permanent residents than all other countries in the world combined.[1]*]

That's why the "U.S. doesn't let people in fast enough" argument is so mindbogglingly stupid.

To date, thus far in life, I still have yet to hear a single rational argument in favor of illegal immigration, or against enforcement of immigration law, that stands up to even the slightest scrutiny or 10 seconds of fact checking.

THIS

imprimere:
There are so many reasons that this could be, and one is that it's actually working the way it's supposed to. Is it fixing the problem with the economy at large? No. Is it "creating" jobs? No. Is it fixing a problem? Yes.

I love that people like you are "guessing" as to how to argue this further. They are enforcing the law. That is all. Or should we just open our borders to the entire world and let the 'real competition' begin? So, every state should be doing this! Then we don't have to wonder where these illegals are going or how other states will take up the slack.

Argue -what- further? No one is guessing at anything. There is enforcement of the law. Then there's the change in the unemployment rate. The governor would like us to think that one is related to the other, because that would be a benefit of the law he enacted. I would argue that there are other explanations as to why the unemployment rate went down, and to presume that it is a direct result of the immigration crackdown is a bit premature and simple minded. The law's only been in effect for a brief time and many farmers complained of a lack of workers, and white people working for a half day then quitting.

Regardless of one's opinion of the crackdown, let us at least have an honest discussion of the economy. if it is a result of the crackdown then his legislation has an added side benefit. If it isn't then don't try to polish a turd with incorrect correlations, just deal with the issues people have w/your legislation.

It's difficult to have a meaningful discussion on unemployment when the metric we use doesn't seem to be a useful barometer for gauging the joblessness in the country.

I'm not an economist and I don't claim to have a better system, but with how serious an issue unemployment is, it seems we should be taking into account not just the people looking for work but also the chronically out-of-work who have stopped looking. They're just as unemployed, aren't they? And they're dragging our economy down just the same, right?

relcec: Indubitably: relcec: imprimere: Indubitably:
What?

You OBViOUSLY don't know me very well.

No, we should add them to the r ...

We DO THAT ALREADY!!! But, there is a legal process. Millions of people do it the right way. Why should these people (illegals) get a free pass when EVERYONE ELSE has to do it the right way?

Legal Immigrants: (new window) You know, those idiots who came here legally and are also losing job opportunities to illegal immigrants.

2005. . . . . . . . .1,122,257
2006. . . . . . . . .1,266,129
2007. . . . . . . . .1,052,415
2008. . . . . . . . .1,107,126
2009. . . . . . . . .1,130,818
2010. . . . . . . . .1,042,625

/and you're damned right I am priveleged. I was born here, so I didn't have to migrate, learn a new language and wait in line
//grew up VERY poor, had to pay for my education and get a 'good job'
///can't stand what corporations are doing to ruin this country and people like you sure don't help

and those legal immigrants that come here every year legally are more than the rest of the rest of the world lets immigrate in one year COMBINED. [As of 2006, the United States accepts more legal immigrants as permanent residents than all other countries in the world combined.[1]*]

that's not even including all the illegal immigrants.

think about that. we all end up going "well shiat, he'll take 15 dollars and hour, I'll take $14.50 then, mr bossman." we have to many f*cking people. we are doing it wrong.

"hey man why haven't wages gone up since 1970? I don't know man. don't have a clue. the man."

the rest of the world isn't MORONIC like we are, and is not beholden to corporate interests/doesn't have a major political party that thinks it's own citizens livelihoods should be subordinated to people from other countries because of some retarded notion that everyone in the world deserves a slice of the american pie at our expense.

NO OTHER ELSE ON EARTH DOES THIS STUPID SHIAT!
no one.
think about that.

on the border of India and Bang ...

Friend, if we really took care of each other, none of this shiat would cost this much...

Does yer margin account for disenfranchisement?

No, no it doesn't.

I see through you.

Don't try to play with me, man.

It just pisses me off.

;)

Indubitably: Friend, if we really took care of each other, none of this shiat would cost this much...

Does yer margin account for disenfranchisement?

No, no it doesn't.

I see through you.

Don't try to play with me, man.

It just pisses me off.

;)


disenfranchisement? is that what you intend?
you'd have to change the Constitution, for starters.
is it really worth all that trouble for marginally cheaper tomatoes and a few votes for your team?
don't play with me now. the games on, old man.

Indubitably: Be real.

Thedoor has been closed since we declared war on terrorism out of fear...

If my front door is closed, then that doesn't make it right for you to climb in the window. If the USA is not allowing legal immigration (or not allowing 'enough'), it doesn't make it right for people to come here illegally.

relcec: Indubitably: Friend, if we really took care of each other, none of this shiat would cost this much...

Does yer margin account for disenfranchisement?

No, no it doesn't.

I see through you.

Don't try to play with me, man.

It just pisses me off.

;)


disenfranchisement? is that what you intend?
you'd have to change the Constitution, for starters.
is it really worth all that trouble for marginally cheaper tomatoes and a few votes for your team?
don't play with me now. the games on, old man.

Comma error.

ThrobblefootSpectre: At the very least I think the left should stop trying to stigmatize immigration enforcement as "racist". The American public is able to see through this braindead herpderpery. If there is an economic or sociological argument, let's hear it. But the whole "we can't think of any better argument than to call people names" tactic is starting to backfire badly.

Let's be fair; if there weren't so many racists the left's accusations would be a lot less likely to stick. when the right is willing to lose votes by speaking out against discrimination instead of dog whistling then we'll get right on it.

wambu: TheWhoppah: [masbury.files.wordpress.com image 320x262]

But Native Americans are not native to the North and South American continents, they just migrated earlier. Apparently, nobody is truly native.

Except the Africans. They were, like, the beginning of mankind and everything.

fredklein: Indubitably: Be real.

Thedoor has been closed since we declared war on terrorism out of fear...

If my front door is closed, then that doesn't make it right for you to climb in the window. If the USA is not allowing legal immigration (or not allowing 'enough'), it doesn't make it right for people to come here illegally.

Come on, man, seriously?

Lame and shame.

How about we recognize those folks that are here by giving them the right to stand up and be counted w/o fear? Then we might be working with real numbers, not prognostications, no?

Amnesty now.

Period.

Smackledorfer: ThrobblefootSpectre: At the very least I think the left should stop trying to stigmatize immigration enforcement as "racist". The American public is able to see through this braindead herpderpery. If there is an economic or sociological argument, let's hear it. But the whole "we can't think of any better argument than to call people names" tactic is starting to backfire badly.

Let's be fair; if there weren't so many racists the left's accusations would be a lot less likely to stick. when the right is willing to lose votes by speaking out against discrimination instead of dog whistling then we'll get right on it.

So, you're argument is: "Well, you guys do it too!"

God I hate people who are so solidly locked into their party.

imprimere: wambu: TheWhoppah: [masbury.files.wordpress.com image 320x262]

But Native Americans are not native to the North and South American continents, they just migrated earlier. Apparently, nobody is truly native.

Except the Africans. They were, like, the beginning of mankind and everything.

Whatever.

Humanity is humanity, and the sooner you stop geo-labeling and labeling at all is better. You ensmallen yer world at the expense of yer world...

WTF is up with that?

Melanin.

\We are human. ;)

Crosshair: Thought experiment:
Two contractors are each building a house, but one is able to give his workers power saws and nailers to do the job while the other can only give his workers hammer and hand saws.

Assuming each contractor has the same quality of workers, which will be able to pay higher wages? The one with the power saws and power nailers of course. Not because the workers are any different, but because each worker is more productive because they have better capital equipment at their disposal. One worker can do in 2 hours what used to take 3.

One could make the argument that that contractor would also hire fewer workers, because each worker does more.

So, 10 workers at $7/hr, Or 7 workers at $10/hr??

One could also make the argument that the contractor, having spent so much money on power tools, could only afford to hire fewer workers.

One could also make the point that the 'high quality' workers are the ones who don't just slap stuff together with nail-guns, but rather the ones who build things by hand. (Ever seen an Amish barn?)

My point? Nothing really, except that making quick generalizations without accounting for all necessary variables is useless.

Indubitably: fredklein: Indubitably: Be real.

Thedoor has been closed since we declared war on terrorism out of fear...

If my front door is closed, then that doesn't make it right for you to climb in the window. If the USA is not allowing legal immigration (or not allowing 'enough'), it doesn't make it right for people to come here illegally.

Come on, man, seriously?

Lame and shame.

How about we recognize those folks that are here by giving them the right to stand up and be counted w/o fear? , not prognostications, no?

Amnesty now.

Period.

Only if you stand up to replace one illegal in their homeland so they can take you place,
"Then we might be working with real numbers"

Deportation now.

fishingthesky: It's difficult to have a meaningful discussion on unemployment when the metric we use doesn't seem to be a useful barometer for gauging the joblessness in the country.

Labor participation rate & the pre-NAFTA U-7.

Two numbers that are VERY hard to fake and very hard to hide the long-termers.

KimNorth: Indubitably: fredklein: Indubitably: Be real.

Thedoor has been closed since we declared war on terrorism out of fear...

If my front door is closed, then that doesn't make it right for you to climb in the window. If the USA is not allowing legal immigration (or not allowing 'enough'), it doesn't make it right for people to come here illegally.

Come on, man, seriously?

Lame and shame.

How about we recognize those folks that are here by giving them the right to stand up and be counted w/o fear? , not prognostications, no?

Amnesty now.

Period.

Only if you stand up to replace one illegal in their homeland so they can take you place,
"Then we might be working with real numbers"

Deportation now.

Hunh?

Please.

You suck.

GTFO.

Indubitably: KimNorth: Indubitably: fredklein: Indubitably: Be real.

Thedoor has been closed since we declared war on terrorism out of fear...

If my front door is closed, then that doesn't make it right for you to climb in the window. If the USA is not allowing legal immigration (or not allowing 'enough'), it doesn't make it right for people to come here illegally.

Come on, man, seriously?

Lame and shame.

How about we recognize those folks that are here by giving them the right to stand up and be counted w/o fear? , not prognostications, no?

Amnesty now.

Period.

Only if you stand up to replace one illegal in their homeland so they can take you place,
"Then we might be working with real numbers"

Deportation now.

Hunh?

Please.

You suck.

GTFO.

P.S. Proud citizen of a country I love and bleed for...you?

KimNorth: Indubitably: fredklein: Indubitably: Be real.

Thedoor has been closed since we declared war on terrorism out of fear...

If my front door is closed, then that doesn't make it right for you to climb in the window. If the USA is not allowing legal immigration (or not allowing 'enough'), it doesn't make it right for people to come here illegally.

Come on, man, seriously?

Lame and shame.

How about we recognize those folks that are here by giving them the right to stand up and be counted w/o fear? , not prognostications, no?

Amnesty now.

Period.

Only if you stand up to replace one illegal in their homeland so they can take you place,
"Then we might be working with real numbers"

Deportation now.

I made that spelling error just for you indubitably.

Don't worry when you leave to give an illegal a chance at the American dream they won't care about such things.
Miss you already....

Indubitably: Indubitably: KimNorth: Indubitably: fredklein: Indubitably: Be real.

Thedoor has been closed since we declared war on terrorism out of fear...

If my front door is closed, then that doesn't make it right for you to climb in the window. If the USA is not allowing legal immigration (or not allowing 'enough'), it doesn't make it right for people to come here illegally.

Come on, man, seriously?

Lame and shame.

How about we recognize those folks that are here by giving them the right to stand up and be counted w/o fear? , not prognostications, no?

Amnesty now.

Period.

Only if you stand up to replace one illegal in their homeland so they can take you place,
"Then we might be working with real numbers"

Deportation now.

Hunh?

Please.

You suck.

GTFO.

P.S. Proud citizen of a country I love and bleed for...you?

I guess it's my turn to say huh?

You're asking for amnesty for all the illegals right??

If that is the case you suck it.

KimNorth: KimNorth: Indubitably: fredklein: Indubitably: Be real.

Thedoor has been closed since we declared war on terrorism out of fear...

If my front door is closed, then that doesn't make it right for you to climb in the window. If the USA is not allowing legal immigration (or not allowing 'enough'), it doesn't make it right for people to come here illegally.

Come on, man, seriously?

Lame and shame.

How about we recognize those folks that are here by giving them the right to stand up and be counted w/o fear? , not prognostications, no?

Amnesty now.

Period.

Only if you stand up to replace one illegal in their homeland so they can take you place,
"Then we might be working with real numbers"

Deportation now.

I made that spelling error just for you indubitably.

Don't worry when you leave to give an illegal a chance at the American dream they won't care about such things.
Miss you already....

Wow.

Threat read.

Newsflash: you just made an irrevocable mistake.

Apologies.

Wow squared.

P.S. Balls/ovaries you have. I like it. ;)

Indubitably: How about we recognize those folks that are here by giving them the right to stand up and be counted w/o fear? Then we might be working with real numbers, not prognostications, no?

Amnesty now.


Sure. And why don't we pardon all the murderers who haven't been caught yet. And the rapists, thieves, buglers, rustlers, cut throats, murderers, bounty hunters, desperados, mugs, pugs, thugs, nitwits, halfwits, dimwits, vipers, snipers, con men, Indian agents, Mexican bandits, muggers, buggerers, bushwhackers, hornswogglers, horse thieves, bull dykes, train robbers, bank robbers, ass-kickers, shiat-kickers and Methodists. (Sorry, got carried away there.)

The solution to people breaking the law isn't to allow people to get away with... breaking the law. That only encourages people to... wait for it... break the law.

Smackledorfer: Let's be fair; if there weren't so many racists the left's accusations would be a lot less likely to stick

It is the people who insist on bringing race into a non-racial issue that are the racists. That's just patent fact. I think the the pro-illegal immigration crowd should stop making itself look bad with horrible arguments like this. I say that as a liberal. Either put up a real argument (for the first time ever), or shut up. It's really that simple.

imprimere: Smackledorfer: ThrobblefootSpectre: At the very least I think the left should stop trying to stigmatize immigration enforcement as "racist". The American public is able to see through this braindead herpderpery. If there is an economic or sociological argument, let's hear it. But the whole "we can't think of any better argument than to call people names" tactic is starting to backfire badly.

Let's be fair; if there weren't so many racists the left's accusations would be a lot less likely to stick. when the right is willing to lose votes by speaking out against discrimination instead of dog whistling then we'll get right on it.

So, you're argument is: "Well, you guys do it too!"

God I hate people who are so solidly locked into their party.

No, my argument was that republicans accept and cultivate the racist vote. They shouldn't be surprised they get called on it, even if they get called on it more than they are doing it.

does that make sense? Is that too much to ask, that republicans denounce racism instead of dog whistling before they complain about being called.racists?

I favor immigration enforcement, for the record. I'm on that side of the argument and frankly I still assume racism as a prime factor when folks try to make immigration reform their scapegoat for all our economic woes.

I found Arizona concept of telling cops.to turn consensual encounters into papers checks to be pretty racist. You know exactly who cops would.be questioning, and it wasn't white people. Their cops would have had greater power than federal immigration agents have.

I hope the everify system works out well.

redmid17: fredklein: Indubitably: How about we recognize those folks that are here by giving them the right to stand up and be counted w/o fear? Then we might be working with real numbers, not prognostications, no?

Amnesty now.


Sure. And why don't we pardon all the murderers who haven't been caught yet. And the rapists, thieves, buglers, rustlers, cut throats, murderers, bounty hunters, desperados, mugs, pugs, thugs, nitwits, halfwits, dimwits, vipers, snipers, con men, Indian agents, Mexican bandits, muggers, buggerers, bushwhackers, hornswogglers, horse thieves, bull dykes, train robbers, bank robbers, ass-kickers, shiat-kickers and Methodists. (Sorry, got carried away there.)

The solution to people breaking the law isn't to allow people to get away with... breaking the law. That only encourages people to... wait for it... break the law.

Normal methodists or united methodists?

Whichever. But we don't want the Irish.

/Aw, prairie shiat... Everybody!

fredklein: One could make the argument that that contractor would also hire fewer workers, because each worker does more.

So, 10 workers at $7/hr, Or 7 workers at $10/hr??

One could also make the argument that the contractor, having spent so much money on power tools, could only afford to hire fewer workers.

One could also make the point that the 'high quality' workers are the ones who don't just slap stuff together with nail-guns, but rather the ones who build things by hand. (Ever seen an Amish barn?)

My point? Nothing really, except that making quick generalizations without accounting for all necessary variables is useless.


5.5.2 Scenario 2 - All Illegal Immigrants Are Forced from the Workforce
In scenario 2,

if by enforcement of current immigration laws or implementation of
new laws, all illegal immigrant workers were deported or forced out of the workforce, the tax effect, market correction effect from currently depressed wages due to immigrant penetration into the workforce, and the labor shortage effect would apply.
The tax compliance rate would theoretically be 100% since it is far less likely that
legal immigrants or native-born workers would be paid "off-the-books." While tax
fraud will always exist under our current system of laws, total tax compliance is
assumed for this scenario. If new legislation restricts further immigration, then the market correction effect from currently depressed wages due to immigrant penetration into the workforce would apply from having to replace formerly immigrant labor with native-born workers. Recall that because immigrant penetration into the low-skilled construction occupations of concrete, masonry, drywall, painting, flooring, and roofing there is an estimated 11% reduction in wages for these trades.

Additionally, in this scenario, we would expect a labor shortage as illegal immigrant workers are replaced with legal immigrant or native-born workers. Illegal immigrants account for 14% of the construction worker population. The total construction worker population is approximately 7 million, so illegal immigrants make up about 1 million of the construction workers. If the illegal immigrants were eliminated from the workforce immediately, the industry might expect a 2% increase in wages in order to close the gap on the job openings created by the elimination of the illegal immigrant workers. This estimate is from the multiple regression analysis executed in the previous chapter.

Additionally, in these low-skilled occupations, there is a high substitutability for
labor. Thus, a true shortage would be difficult to induce. This is further supported by this research and the labor shortage model presented in Chapter 4.
It is unlikely that all illegal immigrants will be forced from the workforce. However,
if enforcement of immigration laws continues to increase, the industry may
experience some of the impact described in scenario 2. While a 3% increase in
project costs may be sustainable from the general contractor's perspective, a 14%
increase in trade labor costs would be detrimental for the subcontractors. In order to avoid increases from this influence, it would be beneficial for trade contractors that

blah blah blah I think I mixed some of this wall o text up even.

http://drum.lib.umd.edu/bitstream/1903/8094/1/umi-umd-5259.pdf

Smackledorfer: imprimere: Smackledorfer: ThrobblefootSpectre: At the very least I think the left should stop trying to stigmatize immigration enforcement as "racist". The American public is able to see through this braindead herpderpery. If there is an economic or sociological argument, let's hear it. But the whole "we can't think of any better argument than to call people names" tactic is starting to backfire badly.

Let's be fair; if there weren't so many racists the left's accusations would be a lot less likely to stick. when the right is willing to lose votes by speaking out against discrimination instead of dog whistling then we'll get right on it.

So, you're argument is: "Well, you guys do it too!"

God I hate people who are so solidly locked into their party.

No, my argument was that republicans accept and cultivate the racist vote had nothing to do with this topic.

FTFA:

Alabama's unemployment rate continues to drop amid state-wide enforcement of a new immigration law, despite Democratic efforts to block and stigmatize the popular reform.

...

Nationally, the unemployment rate is 8.5 percent. However, that rate only counts people who have look for jobs in the last four weeks. Since January 2009, millions of workers have given up looking for jobs or remain stuck in part-time jobs.

Correlation? Causation? Who cares? Republicans GOOD, Democrats BAD!

Smackledorfer: Is that too much to ask, that republicans denounce racism instead of dog whistling before they complain about being called.racists?

There are racists on both the left and right. And you think none of the demographic mentioned in the article, that the left panders to, are racist? The fact that you want so badly to inextricably equate racist with republican, while pretending no democrat is racist, only serves to reinforce imprimere's point that you replied to. No one buys that. Some people are racist. Not just republican, not just democrat.

Now, why not just leave race out of it? Can you manage that for just a minute? Maybe think of some other argument besides focusing on skin color for just mere seconds? Or is that unimaginable to you?

Indubitably: Outlawing immigrants is like outlawing bees.

Immigration has not been outlawed. People enter this country every day legally. Entering the country without going through the proper channels is a crime. People who commit crimes are normally punished in some way.

I have an idea. Why don't we implement the exact same immigration laws as Mexico. Would that make you happy?

morgantx: A nation must FIRST provide for its own citizens. This is common sense. This is like how a father and mother must FIRST feed their own family before they donate to stop world hunger. Now if there is any left, then that nation (family) can provide charity to the less fortunate. The fact is that we CAN'T provide for our own citizens.

Actually, yeah, yeah we can.
At least moreso than we are.
The economic crisis isn't a symptom of any actual change in productive capacity or ability to feed or house people. It's just the apex of how irrationally the economy we have always distributes everything.

common sense is an oxymoron: FTFA:

Alabama's unemployment rate continues to drop amid state-wide enforcement of a new immigration law, despite Democratic efforts to block and stigmatize the popular reform.

...

Nationally, the unemployment rate is 8.5 percent. However, that rate only counts people who have look for jobs in the last four weeks. Since January 2009, millions of workers have given up looking for jobs or remain stuck in part-time jobs.

Correlation? Causation? Who cares? Republicans GOOD, Democrats BAD!

Where are your data to back this up? The numbers show that this is NOT consistent with what's going on in the rest of the country. So, what are you arguing exactly?

m2313: morgantx: A nation must FIRST provide for its own citizens. This is common sense. This is like how a father and mother must FIRST feed their own family before they donate to stop world hunger. Now if there is any left, then that nation (family) can provide charity to the less fortunate. The fact is that we CAN'T provide for our own citizens.

Actually, yeah, yeah we can.
At least moreso than we are.
The economic crisis isn't a symptom of any actual change in productive capacity or ability to feed or house people. It's just the apex of how irrationally the economy we have always distributes everything.

read that wall o text up there real quick . the study is from 2006, the height of the bubble.

the construction industry employed 7 million people in this country. 1 million of whom were illegals. they employed them simply because they could pay them less and avoid taxes, not because americans were unwilling to lay tile or concrete.
they employed them because they cost 11% less than americans in wages alone (never mind compliance, unemployment, taxes, etc) and the owners could keep that saved money as profit. I'd be willing to bet your illegal immigrant and 1%er profit enabling support for this country's immigration policies is huge part of the *distribution* problem.

Corydon: It's probably worth asking how Alabama is doing relative to its neighbors who aren't cracking down (which this article doesn't address).

You know how I know you didn't read the article?

FTFA: "The unemployment rate in next-door Georgia is 9.7 percent, down from 10.3 percent in September, according to Georgia's department of labor. In neighboring Mississippi, the December data has not been released. In November, the unemployment rate was 10.5 percent, slightly down form 10.6 percent in September."

imprimere: Smackledorfer: imprimere: Smackledorfer: ThrobblefootSpectre: At the very least I think the left should stop trying to stigmatize immigration enforcement as "racist". The American public is able to see through this braindead herpderpery. If there is an economic or sociological argument, let's hear it. But the whole "we can't think of any better argument than to call people names" tactic is starting to backfire badly.

Let's be fair; if there weren't so many racists the left's accusations would be a lot less likely to stick. when the right is willing to lose votes by speaking out against discrimination instead of dog whistling then we'll get right on it.

So, you're argument is: "Well, you guys do it too!"

God I hate people who are so solidly locked into their party.

No, my argument was that republicans accept and cultivate the racist vote had nothing to do with this topic.

So you don't understand the relationship between a group tacitly supporting racism and being accused of racism?

I'm sorry, but the republican party has the stink of racism for good reason and one shouldn't be surprised that their immigration plans catch accusations of racism. When they wash up a but and give folks time to see them as changed, they can start being taken seriously.

OgreMagi: Indubitably: Outlawing immigrants is like outlawing bees.

Immigration has not been outlawed. People enter this country every day legally. Entering the country without going through the proper channels is a crime. People who commit crimes are normally punished in some way.

I have an idea. Why don't we implement the exact same immigration laws as Mexico. Would that make you happy?

No.

I'm not happy until classist judgers judge less, work more, and spend more time being grateful and less time being uploaded humbs.

Seriously.

99rs, i.e. the restivus, get it; why can't you you?

Revoolution?

Unnecessary if ya'll oners start looking out of those windows you'll need to craft in yer bellies to see with the eyes you've so firmly placed in your anuses...

Heh!

;)

Smackledorfer: imprimere: Smackledorfer: imprimere: Smackledorfer: ThrobblefootSpectre: At the very least I think the left should stop trying to stigmatize immigration enforcement as "racist". The American public is able to see through this braindead herpderpery. If there is an economic or sociological argument, let's hear it. But the whole "we can't think of any better argument than to call people names" tactic is starting to backfire badly.

Let's be fair; if there weren't so many racists the left's accusations would be a lot less likely to stick. when the right is willing to lose votes by speaking out against discrimination instead of dog whistling then we'll get right on it.

So, you're argument is: "Well, you guys do it too!"

God I hate people who are so solidly locked into their party.

No, my argument was that republicans accept and cultivate the racist vote had nothing to do with this topic.

So you don't understand the relationship between a group tacitly supporting racism and being accused of racism?

I'm sorry, but the republican party has the stink of racism for good reason and one shouldn't be surprised that their immigration plans catch accusations of racism. When they wash up a but and give folks time to see them as changed, they can start being taken seriously.

And the Democrat party has its own stinks. What's your point?

OgreMagi: Indubitably: Outlawing immigrants is like outlawing bees.

Immigration has not been outlawed. People enter this country every day legally. Entering the country without going through the proper channels is a crime. People who commit crimes are normally punished in some way.

I have an idea. Why don't we implement the exact same immigration laws as Mexico. Would that make you happy?

That's a GREAT idea!!! Fair is fair after all.

imprimere: common sense is an oxymoron: FTFA:

Alabama's unemployment rate continues to drop amid state-wide enforcement of a new immigration law, despite Democratic efforts to block and stigmatize the popular reform.

...

Nationally, the unemployment rate is 8.5 percent. However, that rate only counts people who have look for jobs in the last four weeks. Since January 2009, millions of workers have given up looking for jobs or remain stuck in part-time jobs.

Correlation? Causation? Who cares? Republicans GOOD, Democrats BAD!

Where are your data to back this up? The numbers show that this is NOT consistent with what's going on in the rest of the country. So, what are you arguing exactly?

The article's opening paragraph linked the drop in Alabama's unemployment rate to an immigration law supported by Republicans and vilified by Democrats. The article's final paragraph linked the drop in the national unemployment rate to people just giving up in despair since January 2009 (I wonder why that particular time frame was chosen).

So, yeah, according to TFA, Republicans GOOD, Democrats BA-A-A-A-AD!

Indubitably: OgreMagi: Indubitably: Outlawing immigrants is like outlawing bees.

Immigration has not been outlawed. People enter this country every day legally. Entering the country without going through the proper channels is a crime. People who commit crimes are normally punished in some way.

I have an idea. Why don't we implement the exact same immigration laws as Mexico. Would that make you happy?

No.

I'm not happy until classist judgers judge less, work more, and spend more time being grateful and less time being uploaded humbs.

Seriously.

99rs, i.e. the restivus, get it; why can't you you?

Revoolution?

Unnecessary if ya'll oners start looking out of those windows you'll need to craft in yer bellies to see with the eyes you've so firmly placed in your anuses...

Heh!

;)

Why don't you want to implement Mexican immigration laws here?