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(Daily Mail)   Jewish newspaper publisher apologizes for saying Israel should consider assassinating Obama. Was that wrong? Should he not have done that?   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 398
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2012-01-22 06:45:31 PM  

Amos Quito: 404 page not found: [2.bp.blogspot.com image 195x618]

How long do these huddles normally last?

These new talking points better be damned good.


Sometimes they just cut-n-run.

/Live to troll another day


Huh. I was under the impression that this Tatsuma character was damn near invincible.

***sigh*** [walks away, head hanging, hands in pockets, kicking rocks]
 
2012-01-22 06:46:11 PM  

Indubitably: Thisbymaster: Obama is considering putting him in Gitmo so fair is fair.

Close Gitmo NOW!


UnAmerican.

Period.

Supreme Court has done enough with Citizens United.

Democracy will be gone unless we stand up now.

Demand change.

Our President will deliver.

IF reelected.

However, Mr. President, please understand how much we demand you make the diff you said you would...

Don't, and besmirch the Office for all time.

I love you. I am on yer team, whether you like it or not... ;)

P.S. That whole terrorist-hunt? End it. Spying on Americans is UnAmerican. Torture? End it. Please. Right is might, Mr. President. Even dumb folks get right, you'd be surprised...
 
2012-01-22 06:46:36 PM  

Weaver95: Tatsuma: How is that in ANY way related to the Government of Israel?

sorry tats, but Israel and US interests simply do not coincide anymore. Its totally not Isreal, it's us. we feel it's time to date other countries. tell you what tho, we can still totally be facebook friends!

tootles!


Okay, I lol'd.. would lol again
 
2012-01-22 06:47:22 PM  

Tatsuma: One man wrote one stupid thing in one newspaper and then apologized.


It was absolutely reprehensible, he should be fired, but this in no way says anything about Jews, Israel or any related subjects.


I agree with this.

Though I do think that American presidential candidates should visit our closest ally in Ottawa first, before they visit Jerusalem or Tel Aviv. :)
 
2012-01-22 06:47:53 PM  

Amos Quito: What's with the obsession with ethnicity? Why not dump the whole "identity" thing? Does it really serve you in this day and age?Why not just say "okay, I'm a human being" and start trying to get along with your neighbors - forget the whole Jew vs Gentile business?The attitude is a liability on the planet.


I grew up learning we lived in a melting pot. We all melt together like cheese.

Then I learned the melting pot metaphor was nice, but not as interesting as, well, the tossed salad metaphor. A tossed salad is one of unity with easily identifiable and treasured parts. Olives, peppers, lettuce, tomatoes, anchovies.

I don't know what has happened since in the land of metaphors, but I kind of liked, um, well, the tossed salad metaphor. METAPHOR.

There's a critique that the "melting pot" metaphor is more of cultural annihilation than of cultural assimilation. It is the hegemonic capturing of the minority cultures and clearly fascist in nature.

What these food analogies have in common is an appreciation that each of these ethnicities has something to contribute to the society as a whole. By comparing ethnic/cultural groups to ingredients in a recipe, we start with the assumption that each ingredient is important and the final product would not be the same if some distinct ingredient were missing. However, in the melting pot analogy, this premise is the least apparent and can be criticized for its dismissively simplistic social theories. This is one appropriate evaluation of the weaknesses of the melting pot and the tossed salad analogies:
In the case of the melting pot the aim is that all cultures become reflected in one common culture, however this is generally the culture of the dominant group - I thought this was mixed vegetable soup but I can only taste tomato. In the case of the salad bowl, cultural groups should exist separately and maintain their practices and institutions, however, Where is the dressing to cover it all? (Laubeova).

This criticism that the melting pot produces a society that primarily reflects the dominant culture instead of fusing into a completely new entity is reiterated by other sociologists, anthropologists, and cultural geographers as "Anglo-conformity" (Kivisto 151). This type of assimilation was seen as working like a one-way street and it was viewed as something that depended primarily on the cooperativeness of immigrants to be reoriented towards the dominant culture. The idea that the dominant culture would be infused with new energy through the influences of ethnic groups retaining their distinctive cultural attributes and thereby forging a new, stronger America due to their divergent cultural contributions was not given much weight by early researchers (Kivisto 152-154).
 
2012-01-22 06:48:18 PM  

Snarfangel: Though I do think that American presidential candidates should visit our closest ally in Ottawa first, before they visit Jerusalem or Tel Aviv. :)


And I also agree with that
 
2012-01-22 06:49:33 PM  
something tells me newspaper boy is selling more copy than ever before.

/hope it is worth being on a magic list, wink wink nudge nudge
 
2012-01-22 06:49:45 PM  

bugontherug: 404 page not found: [vevmo.com image 328x99]

For some strange reason, calling everyone an anti-Semite isn't working. The plants need to regroup. Time for a new strategy. Need new talking points.

I had the displeasure of reading a guidebook for "young Israel activists" once. Something directed at college age American kids, telling them how to argue on behalf of Israel. They stopped just short of saying that Israel activists should indiscriminately call everyone who questions America's unconditional support for Israel anti-semites.



You mean this?

The Israel Project's Secret Hasbara Handbook Exposed (new window)

If you've ever wondered why Israel's apologists all sound like they're reading from the same playbook - it's because they are.

/Fine young Americans, every one
 
2012-01-22 06:49:46 PM  

Tatsuma: Snarfangel: Though I do think that American presidential candidates should visit our closest ally in Ottawa first, before they visit Jerusalem or Tel Aviv. :)

And I also agree with that


Still here I see.....and still avoiding answering any questions that may make you squirm.
 
2012-01-22 06:50:43 PM  

KrispyKritter: something tells me newspaper boy is selling more copy than ever before.

/hope it is worth being on a magic list, wink wink nudge nudge


Gutenberg Bible, my ass...

;)
 
2012-01-22 06:51:29 PM  

RoyBatty: I grew up learning we lived in a melting pot. We all melt together like cheese.

Then I learned the melting pot metaphor was nice, but not as interesting as, well, the tossed salad metaphor. A tossed salad is one of unity with easily identifiable and treasured parts. Olives, peppers, lettuce, tomatoes, anchovies.

I don't know what has happened since in the land of metaphors, but I kind of liked, um, well, the tossed salad metaphor. METAPHOR.

There's a critique that the "melting pot" metaphor is more of cultural annihilation than of cultural assimilation. It is the hegemonic capturing of the minority cultures and clearly fascist in nature.


Yes, I sure wish my useless poor immigrant ancestors kept our culture alive so I could live in an ethnic enclave instead of being an actual American.

/its bad enough I have to live in Williamsburg
//at least I don't have to dress like a goon and cut out bacon cheeseburgers.
 
2012-01-22 06:51:41 PM  

Indubitably: Torture? End it.


America's practices of torture and rendition to torture have ended thanks to executive orders by President Obama.

There has been some confusion over terminology. America continues its practice of rendition, which is extrajudicial delivery of prisoners to foreign jurisdictions. But it no longer practices rendition to torture.

Link (new window)

If you elect, or through inaction or third party voting allow to be elected, any Republican, then the likelihood of America resuming either practice is high.
 
2012-01-22 06:52:07 PM  

Tatsuma: Snarfangel: Though I do think that American presidential candidates should visit our closest ally in Ottawa first, before they visit Jerusalem or Tel Aviv. :)

And I also agree with that


Huh. Looks like someone showed up who wasn't on Tatsuma's ignore list.

You put me on ignore. I put you on favorites. Color? Yellow.
 
2012-01-22 06:53:19 PM  

Tatsuma: One man wrote one stupid thing in one newspaper and then apologized.


It was absolutely reprehensible, he should be fired, but this in no way says anything about Jews, Israel or any related subjects.


So do you work in Israel?
 
2012-01-22 06:54:06 PM  

eraser8: Mrs.Sharpier: Ooh a Tatsuma thread...

*yawn*

You may yawn at Tatsuma's attention whoring...but, I find it pretty impressive that he's able to dominate a thread WITHOUT ANSWERING A SINGLE FARKING QUESTION THAT'S PUT TO HIM!


You must find Bevets very impressive as well ;)

I used think Tats was a smart guy. He seemed to have a good command of history and could make an intelligent-sounding and coherent argument (more than I can say for most), even if I disagreed with pretty much all of his assumptions, justifications, and conclusions.

Maybe he has changed or maybe I'm just seeing him in a different light, but now Tats seems pretty much like the Jewish Bevets. Spewing hate, making demanding assertions left and right, and calling anyone who doesn't agree with them an anti-semite. How tiresome.
 
2012-01-22 06:56:06 PM  

SoCalSurfer: Tatsuma: One man wrote one stupid thing in one newspaper and then apologized.


It was absolutely reprehensible, he should be fired, but this in no way says anything about Jews, Israel or any related subjects.

So do you work in Israel?



He's working right now.
 
2012-01-22 06:56:47 PM  

Amos Quito: bugontherug: 404 page not found: [vevmo.com image 328x99]

For some strange reason, calling everyone an anti-Semite isn't working. The plants need to regroup. Time for a new strategy. Need new talking points.

I had the displeasure of reading a guidebook for "young Israel activists" once. Something directed at college age American kids, telling them how to argue on behalf of Israel. They stopped just short of saying that Israel activists should indiscriminately call everyone who questions America's unconditional support for Israel anti-semites.


You mean this?

The Israel Project's Secret Hasbara Handbook Exposed (new window)

If you've ever wondered why Israel's apologists all sound like they're reading from the same playbook - it's because they are.

/Fine young Americans, every one


I don't know if that's the book I encountered or not. Scanning the quoted materials there, I didn't see the passages I objected to.
 
2012-01-22 06:58:27 PM  

bugontherug: Indubitably: Torture? End it.

America's practices of torture and rendition to torture have ended thanks to executive orders by President Obama.

There has been some confusion over terminology. America continues its practice of rendition, which is extrajudicial delivery of prisoners to foreign jurisdictions. But it no longer practices rendition to torture.

Link (new window)

If you elect, or through inaction or third party voting allow to be elected, any Republican, then the likelihood of America resuming either practice is high.


Wrong.

As long as Gitmo is open, torture exists...

;)

P.S. Rendition is a crime, period.
 
2012-01-22 07:00:50 PM  

Indubitably: Wrong.

As long as Gitmo is open, torture exists...


As long as humans exist in large numbers, torture exists somewhere. But that doesn't mean it's being conducted by the American government, or that the American government is delivering people for torture. It isn't. Not at Gitmo. Not anywhere.
 
2012-01-22 07:02:25 PM  

punistation: insisted he only wrote the piece to provoke a reaction...


insisted he only wrote the piece to provoke a reaction...


insisted he only wrote the piece to provoke a reaction...


insisted he only wrote the piece to provoke a reaction...


insisted he only wrote the piece to provoke a reaction...


insisted he only wrote the piece to provoke a reaction...


insisted he only wrote the piece to provoke a reaction...

If only there was a label for people who engage in such activity...


And if only that label was a synonym for fairy tale creatures that patrolled bridges.
 
2012-01-22 07:04:18 PM  

Indubitably: P.S. Rendition is a crime, period.


Rendition has a host of legal problems associated with it, and if it's not done with due regard for human rights practices in nations rendered to, I oppose it. But it's not without legitimate diplomatic and criminal justice uses.
 
2012-01-22 07:05:04 PM  

Ed Finnerty: Come on guys, he was kidding!

Why is everyone trying to roast the guy? He was just having a gas. It's probably not as campy as he had hoped but that's because he lacked concentration.


You are a bad person and you should feel bad.
 
2012-01-22 07:05:45 PM  

bugontherug: Indubitably: Wrong.

As long as Gitmo is open, torture exists...

As long as humans exist in large numbers, torture exists somewhere. But that doesn't mean it's being conducted by the American government, or that the American government is delivering people for torture. It isn't. Not at Gitmo. Not anywhere.


Naieve are you and so young...;)
 
2012-01-22 07:05:52 PM  

Tatsuma: One man wrote one stupid thing in one newspaper and then apologized.


It was absolutely reprehensible, he should be fired, but this in no way says anything about Jews, Israel or any related subjects.


I, for one, disagree. Our relationship with Israel has been so lopsided that it is beyond pathetic. Israel provides very little in return for what we give them, and this sort of nonsense is only getting worse. We don't owe Israel a damn thing, and if they are stupid enough to kick the hornets nest, repeatedly, well that has consequences.

Israel seems hell bent on electing rightwing nutbags and letting its fundamentalist poplulation get more and more power. Quite frankly we are having the same problem and need to focus on us for a while.

Israel is our worst welfare queen.
 
2012-01-22 07:06:25 PM  

bugontherug: Indubitably: P.S. Rendition is a crime, period.

Rendition has a host of legal problems associated with it, and if it's not done with due regard for human rights practices in nations rendered to, I oppose it. But it's not without legitimate diplomatic and criminal justice uses.


I call bullshiat.
 
hej
2012-01-22 07:07:06 PM  
"Mr Adler has now issued a formal apology and insisted he only wrote the piece to provoke a reaction from his readers."

I think that's entirely the problem.
 
rpm
2012-01-22 07:07:28 PM  

Apos: And if only that label was a synonym for fairy tale creatures that patrolled bridges.


Nah, I prefer fishing metaphors.
 
2012-01-22 07:07:28 PM  

James F. Campbell: Ed Finnerty: Come on guys, he was kidding!

Why is everyone trying to roast the guy? He was just having a gas. It's probably not as campy as he had hoped but that's because he lacked concentration.

You are a bad person and you should feel bad.


Ed Finnerty is on my favorites. Should I also feel bad?
 
2012-01-22 07:08:43 PM  

RoyBatty: Amos Quito: What's with the obsession with ethnicity? Why not dump the whole "identity" thing? Does it really serve you in this day and age?Why not just say "okay, I'm a human being" and start trying to get along with your neighbors - forget the whole Jew vs Gentile business?The attitude is a liability on the planet.

I grew up learning we lived in a melting pot. We all melt together like cheese.

Then I learned the melting pot metaphor was nice, but not as interesting as, well, the tossed salad metaphor. A tossed salad is one of unity with easily identifiable and treasured parts. Olives, peppers, lettuce, tomatoes, anchovies.

I don't know what has happened since in the land of metaphors, but I kind of liked, um, well, the tossed salad metaphor. METAPHOR.

There's a critique that the "melting pot" metaphor is more of cultural annihilation than of cultural assimilation. It is the hegemonic capturing of the minority cultures and clearly fascist in nature.



Humanity evolves. Human society evolves.

Thanks to technology - especially transportation and communication - the world of today is not the same as it was 200, 100, or even 50 years ago. It can't be.

All of these old "cultures" stem from tribalist groups that evolved into larger communities - and much of the original tribalist "culture" is naturally lost in the process.

Obsession with racial, cultural or ethnic identity reenforces the us vs them mindset, and while this mindset served human groups through most of human history, it has become a chief - possibly THE chief liability that we face in the modern age.

As we continue to evolve socially, certain cultural traits will become dominant, and others will disappear. But humanity will continue to live on through our genes, and in a couple of generations, we will have largely forgotten about this ethnocentric strife that has divided us for so long.

Either that or the ethnocentric strife will spark wars that wipe most of us out - along with our "cultures".

Earth has suddenly become too damn small to tolerate this bullshiat. Either we kill the ethnocentrism, or it kills us.
 
2012-01-22 07:09:39 PM  
Here's what I love:

No one used to even notice me.

Then some people ignored me.

Some people banned me.

Some people said they liked my name.

Some people claim I'm acting as someone else or someone else is acting as me.

Now, I can't post w/o commentary.

Seriously?

Memery...

*smoochey*

;)
 
2012-01-22 07:09:57 PM  
Mr Adler was presenting a hypothetical situation from the perspective of prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu's potentially disastrous conflicts with the Arab world.



From this article, it sounds like Adler may have been saying, "these are crazy things the wackos in Bibi's admin might be contemplating", not necessarily "this is totally something I think would be to the benefit of Israel".

This (new window) article goes more in-depth on Adler's piece.
 
2012-01-22 07:10:02 PM  

Indubitably: bugontherug: Indubitably: Wrong.

As long as Gitmo is open, torture exists...

As long as humans exist in large numbers, torture exists somewhere. But that doesn't mean it's being conducted by the American government, or that the American government is delivering people for torture. It isn't. Not at Gitmo. Not anywhere.

Naieve are you and so young...;)


Well, you can cite some evidence. Or you can just imagine you look smart by substituting uninformed innuendo for evidence. I can say I see through you, at least.

The Los Angeles Times did a grave disservice with its inaccurate reporting on renditions. Harper's only has a circulation of about 200,000, unfortunately.
 
2012-01-22 07:10:39 PM  

Indubitably: Here's what I love:

No one used to even notice me.

Then some people ignored me.

Some people banned me.

Some people said they liked my name.

Some people claim I'm acting as someone else or someone else is acting as me.

Now, I can't post w/o commentary.

Seriously?

Memery...

*smoochey*

;)


I just always thought you were high.

NTTAWWT
 
2012-01-22 07:12:03 PM  

bugontherug: Indubitably: Wrong.

As long as Gitmo is open, torture exists...

As long as humans exist in large numbers, torture exists somewhere. But that doesn't mean it's being conducted by the American government, or that the American government is delivering people for torture. It isn't. Not at Gitmo. Not anywhere.



images.sodahead.com

Apparently we have differing definitions of "torture".
 
2012-01-22 07:12:20 PM  

bugontherug: Indubitably: bugontherug: Indubitably: Wrong.

As long as Gitmo is open, torture exists...

As long as humans exist in large numbers, torture exists somewhere. But that doesn't mean it's being conducted by the American government, or that the American government is delivering people for torture. It isn't. Not at Gitmo. Not anywhere.

Naieve are you and so young...;)

Well, you can cite some evidence. Or you can just imagine you look smart by substituting uninformed innuendo for evidence. I can say I see through you, at least.

The Los Angeles Times did a grave disservice with its inaccurate reporting on renditions. Harper's only has a circulation of about 200,000, unfortunately.


Oh, please, YOU cite the evidence, Mr. Smarty-Pants.
 
2012-01-22 07:13:35 PM  

404 page not found: Indubitably: Here's what I love:

No one used to even notice me.

Then some people ignored me.

Some people banned me.

Some people said they liked my name.

Some people claim I'm acting as someone else or someone else is acting as me.

Now, I can't post w/o commentary.

Seriously?

Memery...

*smoochey*

;)

I just always thought you were high.

NTTAWWT


Yer allusions, what do they mean?

Words, interpretations.

Actions, Speak.
 
2012-01-22 07:13:47 PM  

Indubitably: bugontherug: Indubitably: P.S. Rendition is a crime, period.

Rendition has a host of legal problems associated with it, and if it's not done with due regard for human rights practices in nations rendered to, I oppose it. But it's not without legitimate diplomatic and criminal justice uses.

I call bullshiat.


America captures a man wanted for terrorist bombings in England. The English people passionately want the first bite at him, and so the UK government asks the US to deliver him up for prosecution there before prosecuting him here. Obama says "sure, I'll be happy to. But you have to take two of my Gitmo prisoners off my hand first, so I can work toward finally closing that place down."

What's wrong with that?
 
2012-01-22 07:14:05 PM  
if there was a plot to assassinate him by Israel's government, or some kind of private crime syndicate there, this newspaper probably just foiled it. Overtly, they need to apologize, but covertly, they might have just prevented world war 3 with their "speculation."

/conspiracies within conspiracies!
//slashies within ///slashies!
 
2012-01-22 07:15:14 PM  

Indubitably: Oh, please, YOU cite the evidence, Mr. Smarty-Pants.


I did, numnutz.

Or should I say "trollnutz?"
 
2012-01-22 07:15:21 PM  

Heron: Mr Adler was presenting a hypothetical situation from the perspective of prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu's potentially disastrous conflicts with the Arab world.



From this article, it sounds like Adler may have been saying, "these are crazy things the wackos in Bibi's admin might be contemplating", not necessarily "this is totally something I think would be to the benefit of Israel".

This (new window) article goes more in-depth on Adler's piece.


"You have got to believe, like I do, that all options are on the table.
With this in mind, again I ask you, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, what would you do?" - From Adler's article
(new window)
 
2012-01-22 07:16:10 PM  

Tatsuma: Teen Wolf Blitzer: Aren't you a convert and not even a real Jew?

1. Not a convert
2. Real Jews
3. Converts are real Jews too
4. How is that relevant
5. Lists


converts are not real jews...real jews are hebrew, converts are anything else that decide to convert to Judaism
 
2012-01-22 07:16:47 PM  

Amos Quito: Tatsuma: Bathia_Mapes: You might be right, but I somehow doubt the Secret Service will see it that way.

Hey, if he broke the law, by all means send him to jail. Nothing he said was defensible, I do think that between an actual threat to the President and what he said, there's a difference.

Doesn't change how incredibly retarded that comment was. I can't understand how it even made it to the paper.

Everyone that could have stopped this should be fired


The dude owns the newspaper. Who's going to fire him?

There are more than a few Israel Firsters here in the US.

Not that I'm accusing them of dual loyalty.


Dual-Loyalty? There's nothing dual about it; they obviously care only for the welfare of Israel and consider the country of their birth, the US, as little more than a convenient tool in promoting that. As someone with a rather jaundiced view of nationalism I don't find that too terribly shocking, but I do wish the Israel First crowd would simply be honest about their feelings on the subject, instead of insisting up and down that no one cares more about the US and its people than they, and that pointing out what everyone paying attention can clearly see is somehow the basest smear imaginable.
 
2012-01-22 07:17:58 PM  
They do know who's money has been propping up that government for decades right?
 
2012-01-22 07:17:59 PM  

bugontherug: Indubitably: bugontherug: Indubitably: P.S. Rendition is a crime, period.

Rendition has a host of legal problems associated with it, and if it's not done with due regard for human rights practices in nations rendered to, I oppose it. But it's not without legitimate diplomatic and criminal justice uses.

I call bullshiat.

America captures a man wanted for terrorist bombings in England. The English people passionately want the first bite at him, and so the UK government asks the US to deliver him up for prosecution there before prosecuting him here. Obama says "sure, I'll be happy to. But you have to take two of my Gitmo prisoners off my hand first, so I can work toward finally closing that place down."

What's wrong with that?



The fact that most of the boys at Gitmo have never been charged with ANYTHING, or had evidence presented against them? Or been offered the opportunity to defend themselves?

Does 9-11 mean that we must abandon our humanity?
 
2012-01-22 07:18:01 PM  

Indubitably: 404 page not found: Indubitably: Here's what I love:

No one used to even notice me.

Then some people ignored me.

Some people banned me.

Some people said they liked my name.

Some people claim I'm acting as someone else or someone else is acting as me.

Now, I can't post w/o commentary.

Seriously?

Memery...

*smoochey*

;)

I just always thought you were high.

NTTAWWT

Yer allusions, what do they mean?

Words, interpretations.

Actions, Speak.


See, man, there you go again!
 
2012-01-22 07:19:03 PM  

bugontherug: Indubitably: bugontherug: Indubitably: P.S. Rendition is a crime, period.

Rendition has a host of legal problems associated with it, and if it's not done with due regard for human rights practices in nations rendered to, I oppose it. But it's not without legitimate diplomatic and criminal justice uses.

I call bullshiat.

America captures a man wanted for terrorist bombings in England. The English people passionately want the first bite at him, and so the UK government asks the US to deliver him up for prosecution there before prosecuting him here. Obama says "sure, I'll be happy to. But you have to take two of my Gitmo prisoners off my hand first, so I can work toward finally closing that place down."

What's wrong with that?


Man commits crime in yer country (America), man is tried according to your established laws, period.

Keep yer criminals; in today's world, we all have enough.

No Military Courts.

Is this America?

Seriously.

Quit Insulting Our Collective Intelligence.

Ugh.

Hear me?

I am anti-police state, baby!

Read it thrice!

America isn't wearing black SWAT gear, yo.

*big sigh*

;)
 
2012-01-22 07:19:36 PM  

Amos Quito: bugontherug: Indubitably: bugontherug: Indubitably: P.S. Rendition is a crime, period.

Rendition has a host of legal problems associated with it, and if it's not done with due regard for human rights practices in nations rendered to, I oppose it. But it's not without legitimate diplomatic and criminal justice uses.

I call bullshiat.

America captures a man wanted for terrorist bombings in England. The English people passionately want the first bite at him, and so the UK government asks the US to deliver him up for prosecution there before prosecuting him here. Obama says "sure, I'll be happy to. But you have to take two of my Gitmo prisoners off my hand first, so I can work toward finally closing that place down."

What's wrong with that?


The fact that most of the boys at Gitmo have never been charged with ANYTHING, or had evidence presented against them? Or been offered the opportunity to defend themselves?

Does 9-11 mean that we must abandon our humanity?


That question has been answered. Over and over and over again.
 
2012-01-22 07:20:18 PM  

Strolpol: Israel has been abusing our patronage for years, and they've been doing everything they can to lobby Congress to make sure that there's no way to speak against them without being accused of being anti-Semitic.

Regardless of where you fall on the apartheid state thing, we know them to be spying to us. We know that they've been lobbying for us to enter wars on their behalf. We know that their intelligence agencies have been leaking info on us to other nations. We even know they've gone so far as to impersonate CIA agents in an effort to help promote tensions against the US, so that we might be drawn into involvement.

Israel has done things to us that we would have invaded, or at the very least sanctioned other countries for; and it has absolutely nothing to do with their religion or heritage. Can you imagine how the Founding Fathers would have reacted to the Republican nominees doing everything they could to demonstrate that they were determined to make sure that we continued to give them endless billions in aid that they would never have to repay, in the midst of the greatest economic depression since the 30s?

I'm not against Israel as an idea, or as an actual state. I'm not against Jews or Israeli citizens. However, the government and military of Israel has proven itself to be beyond untrustworthy, in the same league as Pakistan.


^.
 
2012-01-22 07:20:26 PM  

404 page not found: Indubitably: 404 page not found: Indubitably: Here's what I love:

No one used to even notice me.

Then some people ignored me.

Some people banned me.

Some people said they liked my name.

Some people claim I'm acting as someone else or someone else is acting as me.

Now, I can't post w/o commentary.

Seriously?

Memery...

*smoochey*

;)

I just always thought you were high.

NTTAWWT

Yer allusions, what do they mean?

Words, interpretations.

Actions, Speak.

See, man, there you go again!


I declare cyber-poetic license.

Apologies.
 
2012-01-22 07:23:27 PM  

404 page not found: Amos Quito: 404 page not found: fred_chan: I read about this in the Forward days ago and hoped I wouldn't see it on Fark.

Look people, basically the minute the original opinion piece was published every major Jewish organization inside and outside of Atlanta told the owner of the paper that he was in the wrong to publish such trash in the first place. Even the Anti-Defamation League (who I am sure everyone on Fark loves) wrote a scathing letter to this asshole. NO ONE agrees with this guy. His opinion is not shared by the general American Jewish population, and I'm sure Israelis agree with him even less.

And why did they react in such a manner?

Because he totally blew their cover!


And speaking of "blowing their cover"... (new window)

I read that yesterday (not a hipster, I swear). Don't you know that you can't link "that guy" here? Reading him automatically makes you a citizen of TinHatville.


Greenwald makes you a tinhatter? How the hell is that, he's the most sensible commenter on US politics writing these days. Guess the madmen really are running the asylum :/. That explains why my links to him never get approved, though.
 
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