hubiestubert: Um...good luck with that. There is that pesky reciprocity thing between states.

Ohio doesn't have to recognize D.C. marriages, thanks to DoMA's second clause. And before you go all "bu-bu-but full faith & credit," DoMA's second clause explicitly addresses the FF&C clause, and is arguably constitutional on that ground.

/third clause is clearly unconstitutional
//second clause is a tougher argument, because Congress explicitly has the power to define the effect of the FF&C clause.

Am I really the only one getting tired of veterans trying to use their past "service" for special treatment all the time? I agree that the gym seems to be in the wrong here, but the fact that one of these guys is a veteran doesn't mean that it is somehow more wrong to do it to him than to someone else.

Eddie Adams from Torrance: I get your point, but asking not to be discriminated against because of your gender is hardly asking for special treatment.

That wasn't what I was saying though. I agreed that the gym is in the wrong. It would also be wrong if they were doing it to someone who has never served in the military. Insinuating that it is somehow worse to infringe on the rights of a veteran than someone who is not a veteran is what I have a problem with; it has nothing to do with the specific argument in this story.

This is f*cking repulsive.

hubiestubert: Daddy's Big Pink Man-Squirrel: Fine, you don't like gay guys. I just don't see why you would act like an asshole when dealing with them.

I mean, considering what gay guys DO to assholes...

To be fair, you run a gym, you'd think that you'd want a few hard bodied guys around who had no interest in the gals. Some eye candy for the ladies, without any chance of competition. It's sort of win-win.

Best response so far.

Their business their rules, they don't take government money so no problem.

This will cure the gay


/just kidding, needed a reason to post the pic

This is Ohio, if you dont have a brewski in your hand, you might as well be wearing a dress.

xl5150: Am I really the only one getting tired of veterans trying to use their past "service" for special treatment all the time? I agree that the gym seems to be in the wrong here, but the fact that one of these guys is a veteran doesn't mean that it is somehow more wrong to do it to him than to someone else.

Theaetetus: Ohio doesn't have to recognize D.C. marriages, thanks to DoMA's second clause. And before you go all "bu-bu-but full faith & credit," DoMA's second clause explicitly addresses the FF&C clause, and is arguably constitutional on that ground.

No it doesn't, because federal law does not trump the constitution, even if if claims to.

xl5150: Am I really the only one getting tired of veterans trying to use their past "service" for special treatment all the time? I agree that the gym seems to be in the wrong here, but the fact that one of these guys is a veteran doesn't mean that it is somehow more wrong to do it to him than to someone else.

Well to be fair, he's dealt with a lot more than you have.

"Omg, I didn't get cell phone service for a minute today. My life is so hard"

Try having you lose oil pressure while going 500mph

The natatorium's spousal policy adheres to Ohio state law, which defines marriage as between a man and a woman.
Crappy situation, but don't blame the gym because you live in a bigoted shiathole.

Why do veterans always bring up veteran status when they are discriminated against, especially in places like Ohio? I understand that they would be really pissed that after serving their country, fighting for democracy in other countries, that they are denied it here. But they also got to understand that unless they walk lock in step with the Right Wing ideology and conform to the Right's morality that their veteran status doesn't mean shiat to those people. The only veterans they support are the ones that agree with them and all others can die. I wouldn't be surprised if some Right Wingers start commenting on this guys veteran status by saying something like the only reason why he joined the military was for the "free money for school".

Cuyahoga Falls Mayor Don Robart says he thinks the natatorium has a fair policy. He says until the Ohio state law changes the definition of marriage, the natatorium will not either.

Lemme guess: Don Robart is a social conservative shiatbag?

Thisbymaster: Their business their rules, they don't take government money so no problem.

The Civil Rights Acts disagrees.

Why would they even want to continue going there after being treated like that?

Find a place with nice, non-prejudiced people.

Why would you want to segregate against possibly the largest group of your clientele?

Thisbymaster: Their business their rules, they don't take government money so no problem.

And they are not saying that the government should come in to shut them down. They are however attempting to enlighten the community about the discrimination so folks who live nearby might say, drop their memberships and move to another business that does not do crap like this? If I was going to that gym I would at least. Write it down on that little comment card they give you and the like.

Weird how business works you know?

Hate to sound like im stereotyping here because I'm firmly against sterotyping but a gym discriminating against gays? Thats bad business. I mean all those gay dudes do is work out. Thats like refusing to sell liquor to Irishmen or refusing to sell confederate flags to rednecks. I'd go so far as to say its like not allowing blacks into your rims/grillz/fried chicken store.

ongbok: Why do veterans always bring up veteran status when they are discriminated against, especially in places like Ohio? I understand that they would be really pissed that after serving their country, fighting for democracy in other countries, that they are denied it here. But they also got to understand that unless they walk lock in step with the Right Wing ideology and conform to the Right's morality that their veteran status doesn't mean shiat to those people. The only veterans they support are the ones that agree with them and all others can die. I wouldn't be surprised if some Right Wingers start commenting on this guys veteran status by saying something like the only reason why he joined the military was for the "free money for school".

Are you saying that veterans who don't walk lock-step with the Right Wing ideology and corform to the Right's morality should just keep quiet when they are discriminated against?

Is that what you're saying?

Thisbymaster: Their business their rules, they don't take government money so no problem.

While the business in this state doesn't have recognize their marriage - that can't discriminate on basis of religion, sex etc. So - "their business their rules" is completely wrong. They have to follow rules.

/oh - btw - you and this business are complete assholes
//just thought I share

TheMadChaosopher: Why would you even want to be at a gym, or anywhere else, that makes it clear they dont want you there? Why not just go join a gay gym?

O thats right. Cuz whining and playing the victim is the new american way.

I'll bite monsieur troll.

Why did Rosa Parks sit at the front?

A private business can refuse service if it wants to. Get over it. Open your own abominations only gym.

Wait, if you kick out all the gay men, how will your gym stay open? There'd be nobody there to work out!

TheMadChaosopher: Why would you even want to be at a gym, or anywhere else, that makes it clear they dont want you there? Why not just go join a gay gym?



They tried, but all the Crossfit gyms in their area weren't accepting new clients.

J. Frank Parnell: Why would they even want to continue going there after being treated like that?

Find a place with nice, non-prejudiced people.

Like the wops, they're famously tolerant.