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(Scientific American) Scary Could the internet ever be destroyed? Just in case, here's a handy guide how to do it   (scientificamerican.com) divider line 41
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2012-01-21 01:22:22 PM
Most guides I know of contain more than just possibilities and a few examples.
 
2012-01-21 01:24:17 PM
The answer is yes.

I have a friend who has a hard copy (paper print out) of the code of a multi-threaded hydra style trojan that is capable of destroying the entire internet despite improved security of networks since it was written.

However, it is over a thousand pages long, and would have to be hand-typed into a compiler as no electronic copy of it exists, and the hard copy is locked away in a safety deposit box.

So it is no threat. No one would be crazy enough to do all that typing (and OCR wouldn't work because you'd have to go through the entire code to look for mistakes inherent in ocr) just to make a hard copy. Not only that, only my friend has access, and he's not the kind of guy who'd use it.

So yes, it can be done. No hacker capable of such a feat of coding would have an electronic copy of such a thing though.

So you don't have to worry that it will be done, while knowing it can.
 
2012-01-21 01:37:47 PM
The Internet will be destroyed by turning it into television.
 
2012-01-21 01:39:31 PM
www.lowbird.com
YIPPEEEE!
 
2012-01-21 01:41:20 PM
DammitIForgotMyLogin: The answer is yes.

I have a friend who has a hard copy (paper print out) of the code of a multi-threaded hydra style trojan that is capable of destroying the entire internet despite improved security of networks since it was written.

However, it is over a thousand pages long, and would have to be hand-typed into a compiler as no electronic copy of it exists, and the hard copy is locked away in a safety deposit box.

So it is no threat. No one would be crazy enough to do all that typing (and OCR wouldn't work because you'd have to go through the entire code to look for mistakes inherent in ocr) just to make a hard copy. Not only that, only my friend has access, and he's not the kind of guy who'd use it.

So yes, it can be done. No hacker capable of such a feat of coding would have an electronic copy of such a thing though.

So you don't have to worry that it will be done, while knowing it can.


Jesus christ, man! How much DID you drink last night?
 
2012-01-21 01:55:03 PM
yawn

when do smart devices start to talk to each other and start using towers and hubs less and less?
(yes, I know, that in the end, you need to get to land lines in order to be able to reach anything useful, but ...)
 
2012-01-21 02:32:10 PM
Don't let him know

southparkstudios.mtvnimages.com
 
2012-01-21 02:40:43 PM
I would love to see it shut down for a few days. Can you imagine people furiously attempting to tweet because they can't get on facebook, only to find that down. The butthurt would be incredible. I think I still have a porn dvd or two in my garage, so I would survive. My boss's kid (who actually says "lol" and "fail" and "dot dot dot") would be a weeping gelatinous mass.
 
2012-01-21 02:42:55 PM
Google even stores cached copies of all Wikipedia pages; these were accessible on Jan. 18 when Wikipedia took its own versions of the pages offline in protest of SOPA and PIPA.

Do people still really believe you couldn't read Wikipedia on Jan. 18?
 
2012-01-21 02:45:23 PM
jaylectricity: Google even stores cached copies of all Wikipedia pages; these were accessible on Jan. 18 when Wikipedia took its own versions of the pages offline in protest of SOPA and PIPA.

Do people still really believe you couldn't read Wikipedia on Jan. 18?


Depends on the year. Jan. 18, 1836 nobody could read it.
 
2012-01-21 03:01:22 PM
You can take out parts of the internet quite easily. But it would be difficult to kill the whole thing at one go. As an employee of a large ISP, I know we have one building that if taken out would take down our entire network.

/getting a kick, etc...
 
2012-01-21 03:17:56 PM
I'm not sure how you'd destroy the internet, but I'm pretty sure it would involve a combination of lolcats and ponies.
 
2012-01-21 03:39:18 PM
Kimpak: You can take out parts of the internet quite easily. But it would be difficult to kill the whole thing at one go. As an employee of a large ISP, I know we have one building that if taken out would take down our entire network.

/getting a kick, etc...


Really? How does any ISP have a single point of failure?
 
2012-01-21 03:41:54 PM
DammitIForgotMyLogin: The answer is yes.

I have a friend who has a hard copy (paper print out) of the code of a multi-threaded hydra style trojan that is capable of destroying the entire internet despite improved security of networks since it was written.

However, it is over a thousand pages long, and would have to be hand-typed into a compiler as no electronic copy of it exists, and the hard copy is locked away in a safety deposit box.

So it is no threat. No one would be crazy enough to do all that typing (and OCR wouldn't work because you'd have to go through the entire code to look for mistakes inherent in ocr) just to make a hard copy. Not only that, only my friend has access, and he's not the kind of guy who'd use it.

So yes, it can be done. No hacker capable of such a feat of coding would have an electronic copy of such a thing though.

So you don't have to worry that it will be done, while knowing it can.


Ummmm, no.

Whoever spent the time to code that trojan, spent a hell of a lot more time creating it than it would take to merely have 20 people type all of 50 pages of it... which could be done in a day.

Or one person could type 50 pages/day in a month.
 
2012-01-21 03:49:38 PM
I'm surprised Solace hadn't made plans for additional international connections.
 
2012-01-21 03:51:15 PM
downstairs: Kimpak: You can take out parts of the internet quite easily. But it would be difficult to kill the whole thing at one go. As an employee of a large ISP, I know we have one building that if taken out would take down our entire network.

/getting a kick, etc...

Really? How does any ISP have a single point of failure?


Its not a single 'point' per se, but a single facility. Taking it out would cause an immediate local/regional outage, then a couple days later the rest of the network goes down whenever dhcp leases expire. lol, our company likes the 'put all our eggs in one basket' approach.
 
2012-01-21 03:52:43 PM
jaylectricity: Google even stores cached copies of all Wikipedia pages; these were accessible on Jan. 18 when Wikipedia took its own versions of the pages offline in protest of SOPA and PIPA.

Do people still really believe you couldn't read Wikipedia on Jan. 18?


The whole site was accessible that day. All one had to do was disable JavaScript in their browser.
 
2012-01-21 04:13:03 PM
 
2012-01-21 04:26:36 PM
I rest easy, knowing who is close by, guarding key elements of the internet backbone.

cryptome.org
 
2012-01-21 04:52:23 PM
 
2012-01-21 04:53:23 PM
As secret, non-secret guardian of the internet, I'm getting a kick out of this thread
 
2012-01-21 05:13:54 PM
Big, BIG bomb to Ashburn VA...a lot of server farms and a HUGE Verizon campus is there. Hell, just nuke NoVa and call it a day.
 
2012-01-21 05:23:46 PM
If you strike the Internet down, it shall become more powerful than you could possibly imagine.
 
2012-01-21 05:29:52 PM
I'm not worried. I printed off a hard copy just the other day just in case.
 
2012-01-21 06:17:05 PM
It'll be fine just so long as you don't drop it.

i236.photobucket.com
 
2012-01-21 06:21:59 PM
Too much money to be made for it to go away.
The other countries "open-ness" force individual countries over-regulations to sooner or later go away, by peer-pressure.

Only risk is really from Net Terrorists,
those who want to destroy it just to make a point.

But fortunately, most is too extensive, complex, and inconsistent for everything to go totally through,
plus you've got insiders that tend to spot and alert before things go too far.

/perhaps it will commit suicide in the future...
 
2012-01-21 06:42:35 PM
You could have monied corporations and other governmental agencies say that their right to privacy or IP interests were being abused.

Then they could file a compliant with the courts and request that those resources, nationally or internationally located, be blocked by anyone in the US through service providers.

This would be a great way to disrupt the internet.

/Of course you will still be free to shop on the internet.
 
2012-01-21 06:52:38 PM
dictionaryperson.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-01-21 07:12:13 PM
The internet was built as a safeguard against nuclear attack, and I'd say that in it's original focus, it's done a fine job of that. If the entirety of the Russian and American nuclear stocks were expended against the world, there'd still be some lonely bastard fapping to an American porn flick he downloaded off a file server he found in the wreckage somewhere.
 
2012-01-21 07:30:04 PM
Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: Here's a more concise guide to the matter at hand.

Dagnabbit. I knew what that was going to be. I knew you knew I knew it was going to be that. Yet I clicked on it anyway. You magnificent bastard, why do I click on that knowing what it's going to be?
 
2012-01-21 07:45:47 PM
Wouldn't it have been interesting if consumer grade devices had BGP capabilities? Imagine every home wireless network having the capability of assisting the major backbone lines in a situation where 512kbps is better than nothing. Every wireless device with a local 'emergency mode' that allowed it to act as a border router for your private network.

Would have made things all the more interesting when dealing with SOPA.

And yes, I know, DD-WRT can do BGP and other external protocols; last time I looked, anyways. But that's not 'every' consumer device.
 
2012-01-21 08:29:37 PM
Tempest2097: Dagnabbit. I knew what that was going to be. I knew you knew I knew it was going to be that. Yet I clicked on it anyway. You magnificent bastard, why do I click on that knowing what it's going to be?

Because it's the right thing to do.

It's the ONLY thing to do in these troubled times.
 
2012-01-21 08:39:39 PM
DammitIForgotMyLogin: The answer is yes.

I have a friend who has a hard copy (paper print out) of the code of a multi-threaded hydra style trojan that is capable of destroying the entire internet despite improved security of networks since it was written.

However, it is over a thousand pages long, and would have to be hand-typed into a compiler as no electronic copy of it exists, and the hard copy is locked away in a safety deposit box.

So it is no threat. No one would be crazy enough to do all that typing (and OCR wouldn't work because you'd have to go through the entire code to look for mistakes inherent in ocr) just to make a hard copy. Not only that, only my friend has access, and he's not the kind of guy who'd use it.

So yes, it can be done. No hacker capable of such a feat of coding would have an electronic copy of such a thing though.

So you don't have to worry that it will be done, while knowing it can.


mymoviebanners.com
 
2012-01-21 08:45:46 PM
Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: Here's a more concise guide to the matter at hand.

uh uh uh. hovered over that link just to find noodles ;)
 
2012-01-21 08:54:38 PM
rocky_howard: uh uh uh. hovered over that link just to find noodles ;)

ALLEGEDLY.
 
2012-01-21 11:54:09 PM
ykarie: Wouldn't it have been interesting if consumer grade devices had BGP capabilities? Imagine every home wireless network having the capability of assisting the major backbone lines in a situation where 512kbps is better than nothing. Every wireless device with a local 'emergency mode' that allowed it to act as a border router for your private network.

Would have made things all the more interesting when dealing with SOPA.

And yes, I know, DD-WRT can do BGP and other external protocols; last time I looked, anyways. But that's not 'every' consumer device.


I think the DD-WRT would catch fire if it had to digest a full BGP table. Hell, I had to put 512Mb of RAM in a core router just so it wouldn't puke with a not-quite-full IPv4 table. I can't imagine how ugly things will get when there's an assload of IPv6 prefixes out there (someday, I know).
 
2012-01-22 12:35:26 AM
Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: rocky_howard: uh uh uh. hovered over that link just to find noodles ;)

ALLEGEDLY.


HA! Check out the comment I left ;)

Let's vote it up.
 
2012-01-22 03:19:59 AM
Kimpak: You can take out parts of the internet quite easily. But it would be difficult to kill the whole thing at one go. As an employee of a large ISP, I know we have one building that if taken out would take down our entire network.

/getting a kick, etc...


Wow, seriously? I hope that's not an ISP we use. I administer a massive network and we have redundancy for our redundancy. We have so much redundancy we provide redundancy for other networks.

/redundancy
 
2012-01-22 08:50:22 AM
In our moment of triumph? I think you overestimate their chances.
 
2012-01-23 01:09:38 AM
I remember a Popular Science article detailing some failure points of the Internet. It showed a picture of a building where trans-Atlantic lines connected with the US and basically stated that it and a few other buildldings could be destroyed to take down a very significant portion of the Internet. Interestingly, it showed that most of Africa was connected with a 10Gbps connection, which was practically nothing compared to every other continent.
 
2012-01-23 11:07:28 AM
This About That: The Internet will be destroyed by turning it into television.

Exactly. I kinda miss it the way it was back around '95, before it got completely and utterly commercialized.
 
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