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(NewsBusters) Dumbass NPR's Nina Totenberg claims that more people used food stamps under Bush than Obama. Not only is she wrong, but instantly starts claiming that "Facts Don't Matter" to Newt on the subject   (newsbusters.org) divider line 90
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2012-01-21 11:28:07 AM
As Bush and his policies caused the worst of the recession (the collapse started in mid 2008) it stands to reason that more people would be on aid during Obama's watch, after spending what savings they had. The attack on food aid is disgusting, and a true hallmark of Republican hatred for the non-rich.
 
2012-01-21 11:31:20 AM
olddeegee: As Bush and his policies caused the worst of the recession

Nope.

This has been a LONG time in coming. We're looking at at LEAST three decades of gradual change in corporate culture and plenty of wrongdoing to spread around both parties.
 
2012-01-21 11:37:54 AM
Shostie: olddeegee: As Bush and his policies caused the worst of the recession

Nope.

This has been a LONG time in coming. We're looking at at LEAST three decades of gradual change in corporate culture and plenty of wrongdoing to spread around both parties.


You don't think that ignoring the looming housing crisis while starting a war fueled spending spree exacerbated the recession? What about tax cuts for the rich that weakened our ability to respond to a financial crisis? It was a long time coming alright, about 8 years.
 
2012-01-21 11:43:26 AM
olddeegee: Shostie: olddeegee: As Bush and his policies caused the worst of the recession

Nope.

This has been a LONG time in coming. We're looking at at LEAST three decades of gradual change in corporate culture and plenty of wrongdoing to spread around both parties.

You don't think that ignoring the looming housing crisis while starting a war fueled spending spree exacerbated the recession? What about tax cuts for the rich that weakened our ability to respond to a financial crisis? It was a long time coming alright, about 8 years.


Bush was such an asshole when he repealed Glass-Steagel.

Such a jerk when he signed that trade agreement with China.

I'm not defending Bush, but I'm not willing to blame everything on him, especially since this recession was the result of unsound economic policy spanning decades.
 
2012-01-21 11:45:36 AM
Poor [black] people brought this on themselves and don't deserve to eat. Ever. The are shiftless, lazy, deviants who are morally crippled unlike former Speaker Gingrich who is a model of boot-strappy Americans who marry their HS geometry teacher and milk her until they get out of college and graduate school. He showed his true grit when he dumped her for someone who was more traditional and he really stood up for honest American men everywhere when he chose Callista: a red-blooded American patriot who was willing to serve and serve and serve.

Thank God for Newt Gingrich!
 
2012-01-21 11:48:36 AM
In the first few decades of the 20th century, we painfully moved from an agricultural economy to an industrial economy. Millions of people who worked in agriculture found themselves out of work as farming became more efficient with mechanization, better fertilization, and so on. In the late 20th century, we began the painful transition from a manufacturing economy to a service economy. There are other things that have gone wrong, but I suspect a lot if it has to do with the foundations of our economy evolving. And while policy decisions can cause problems in their own right on top of that, the shift in the economy can't be without problems. Just a thought.
 
2012-01-21 11:49:26 AM
Shostie: olddeegee: Shostie: olddeegee: As Bush and his policies caused the worst of the recession

Nope.

This has been a LONG time in coming. We're looking at at LEAST three decades of gradual change in corporate culture and plenty of wrongdoing to spread around both parties.

You don't think that ignoring the looming housing crisis while starting a war fueled spending spree exacerbated the recession? What about tax cuts for the rich that weakened our ability to respond to a financial crisis? It was a long time coming alright, about 8 years.

Bush was such an asshole when he repealed Glass-Steagel.

Such a jerk when he signed that trade agreement with China.

I'm not defending Bush, but I'm not willing to blame everything on him, especially since this recession was the result of unsound economic policy spanning decades.


Nobody's blaming EVERYTHING on him, but to blame Obama for the increase of people who needed food aid is wrong. Although Bush didn't create all of the problems, he did nothing to prevent it.
 
2012-01-21 11:55:02 AM
Nabb1: In the first few decades of the 20th century, we painfully moved from an agricultural economy to an industrial economy. Millions of people who worked in agriculture found themselves out of work as farming became more efficient with mechanization, better fertilization, and so on. In the late 20th century, we began the painful transition from a manufacturing economy to a service economy. There are other things that have gone wrong, but I suspect a lot if it has to do with the foundations of our economy evolving. And while policy decisions can cause problems in their own right on top of that, the shift in the economy can't be without problems. Just a thought.

So eliminate food stamps?
 
2012-01-21 11:55:27 AM
 
2012-01-21 11:58:35 AM
Looks like W managed to get a lot of people on aid w/o the help of a recession.

www.dailyjobsupdate.com
 
2012-01-21 12:07:51 PM
ginandbacon: Nabb1: In the first few decades of the 20th century, we painfully moved from an agricultural economy to an industrial economy. Millions of people who worked in agriculture found themselves out of work as farming became more efficient with mechanization, better fertilization, and so on. In the late 20th century, we began the painful transition from a manufacturing economy to a service economy. There are other things that have gone wrong, but I suspect a lot if it has to do with the foundations of our economy evolving. And while policy decisions can cause problems in their own right on top of that, the shift in the economy can't be without problems. Just a thought.

So eliminate food stamps?


Uh, no?
 
2012-01-21 12:10:03 PM
Nabb1: ginandbacon: Nabb1: In the first few decades of the 20th century, we painfully moved from an agricultural economy to an industrial economy. Millions of people who worked in agriculture found themselves out of work as farming became more efficient with mechanization, better fertilization, and so on. In the late 20th century, we began the painful transition from a manufacturing economy to a service economy. There are other things that have gone wrong, but I suspect a lot if it has to do with the foundations of our economy evolving. And while policy decisions can cause problems in their own right on top of that, the shift in the economy can't be without problems. Just a thought.

So eliminate food stamps?

Uh, no?


Okay, just checking.
 
2012-01-21 12:35:17 PM
There sure was a whole lot of sneer in that article.
 
2012-01-21 12:41:53 PM
24.media.tumblr.com
 
2012-01-21 12:45:34 PM
Shostie: olddeegee: As Bush and his policies caused the worst of the recession

Nope.

This has been a LONG time in coming. We're looking at at LEAST three decades of gradual change in corporate culture and plenty of wrongdoing to spread around both parties.


So both sides are bad you say...
 
2012-01-21 03:58:22 PM
More people use iPads under Obama than under Bush. Obama is therefore the iPad President.
 
2012-01-21 04:35:03 PM
Shostie: olddeegee: As Bush and his policies caused the worst of the recession

Nope.

This has been a LONG time in coming. We're looking at at LEAST three decades of gradual change in corporate culture and plenty of wrongdoing to spread around both parties.


So vote Republican?
 
2012-01-21 06:19:40 PM
Subby, saying "instantly starts claiming" implies that the error was pointed out to her (thus defining the "instant"), and this was a defensive response. It wasn't.
 
2012-01-21 06:22:20 PM
More people watch The Walking Dead under Obama than Under Bush. Obama is therefore the Zombie President.
 
2012-01-21 06:38:54 PM
Nina Totenberg? Liberally biased and factually incorrect? Color me shocked!
 
2012-01-21 06:53:04 PM
Someone asked Newt a stupid question and got called on it, so obviously its all Newts fault
 
2012-01-21 07:02:29 PM
It's funny how tacit racism and classism allows individuals to shield themselves from any criticism.
 
2012-01-21 07:10:32 PM
Nabb1: In the first few decades of the 20th century, we painfully moved from an agricultural economy to an industrial economy. Millions of people who worked in agriculture found themselves out of work as farming became more efficient with mechanization, better fertilization, and so on. In the late 20th century, we began the painful transition from a manufacturing economy to a service economy. There are other things that have gone wrong, but I suspect a lot if it has to do with the foundations of our economy evolvingdisintegrating. And while policy decisions can cause problems in their own right on top of that, the shift in the economy can't be without problems. Just a thought.

Because, you know, everyone can achieve the middle-class dream in a "service" economy.
 
2012-01-21 07:11:47 PM
Shostie: olddeegee: As Bush and his policies caused the worst of the recession

Nope.

This has been a LONG time in coming. We're looking at at LEAST three decades of gradual change in corporate culture and plenty of wrongdoing to spread around both parties.


Of course, that's why we had explosive economic growth and a balanced budget in the 1990's under the arkansas antichrist.
 
2012-01-21 07:14:59 PM
Great_Milenko: Shostie: olddeegee: As Bush and his policies caused the worst of the recession

Nope.

This has been a LONG time in coming. We're looking at at LEAST three decades of gradual change in corporate culture and plenty of wrongdoing to spread around both parties.

Of course, that's why we had explosive economic growth and a balanced budget in the 1990's under the arkansas antichrist.


Yes and it turned out it was a non-sustainable dotcom bubble
 
2012-01-21 07:15:03 PM
 
2012-01-21 07:16:10 PM
Shostie: olddeegee: Shostie: olddeegee: As Bush and his policies caused the worst of the recession

Nope.

This has been a LONG time in coming. We're looking at at LEAST three decades of gradual change in corporate culture and plenty of wrongdoing to spread around both parties.

You don't think that ignoring the looming housing crisis while starting a war fueled spending spree exacerbated the recession? What about tax cuts for the rich that weakened our ability to respond to a financial crisis? It was a long time coming alright, about 8 years.

Bush was such an asshole when he repealed Glass-Steagel.

Such a jerk when he signed that trade agreement with China.

I'm not defending Bush, but I'm not willing to blame everything on him, especially since this recession was the result of unsound economic policy spanning decades.


We all know that in origin, Bush didn't CAUSE the housing crisis. He DID however, massively exacerbate it. To leap into the discussion with LOL, GLASS STEGALL is not only silly, it's downright disengenous. Glass Stegall was, in fact, signed off by a president, but it was a certain party's majority that passed said legislation's repeal.

And thus the round and round game goes.

So no, Bush isnt to blame for it, he's to blame for making it worse than it should have been.

/HOUSING WILL GROW FOREVER!
 
2012-01-21 07:17:03 PM
make me some tea: There sure was a whole lot of sneer in that article.

That can typically be deduced as soon as the Newsbusters logo shows up on the left.
 
2012-01-21 07:22:38 PM
BSABSVR: make me some tea: There sure was a whole lot of sneer in that article.

That can typically be deduced as soon as the Newsbusters logo shows up on the left.


Indeed. I look at their Facebook comments section regularly. I daresay there's even more derp there than Freep.
 
2012-01-21 07:24:06 PM
In all fairness the economy was falling into the toilet when Bush left and still wiggling in the water right now. Food stamps are expected to rise when the economy is crap and jobs aren't coming in.
 
2012-01-21 07:25:28 PM
olddeegee: As Bush and his policies caused the worst of the recession (the collapse started in mid 2008)

Do you mean the recession that ended in June 2009?

it stands to reason that more people would be on aid during Obama's watch, after spending what savings they had. The attack on food aid is disgusting, and a true hallmark of Republican hatred for the non-rich.


No the attack is on 0bama's policies that are requiring more and more people to be on "food aid".
 
2012-01-21 07:27:28 PM
tenpoundsofcheese: olddeegee: As Bush and his policies caused the worst of the recession (the collapse started in mid 2008)

Do you mean the recession that ended in June 2009?


Are you saying there was no recession before 2009?
 
2012-01-21 07:28:17 PM
tenpoundsofcheese: olddeegee: As Bush and his policies caused the worst of the recession (the collapse started in mid 2008)

Do you mean the recession that ended in June 2009?

it stands to reason that more people would be on aid during Obama's watch, after spending what savings they had. The attack on food aid is disgusting, and a true hallmark of Republican hatred for the non-rich.


No the attack is on 0bama's policies that are requiring more and more people to be on "food aid".


And what policies would those be, the ones that ended the recession but haven't magicially fixed everything that Bush screwed up?
 
2012-01-21 07:28:22 PM
halcyon thought: Shostie: olddeegee: Shostie: olddeegee: As Bush and his policies caused the worst of the recession

Nope.

This has been a LONG time in coming. We're looking at at LEAST three decades of gradual change in corporate culture and plenty of wrongdoing to spread around both parties.

You don't think that ignoring the looming housing crisis while starting a war fueled spending spree exacerbated the recession? What about tax cuts for the rich that weakened our ability to respond to a financial crisis? It was a long time coming alright, about 8 years.

Bush was such an asshole when he repealed Glass-Steagel.

Such a jerk when he signed that trade agreement with China.

I'm not defending Bush, but I'm not willing to blame everything on him, especially since this recession was the result of unsound economic policy spanning decades.

We all know that in origin, Bush didn't CAUSE the housing crisis. He DID however, massively exacerbate it.

What exactly did Bush do to exacerbate the housing crisis?
 
2012-01-21 07:28:31 PM
I wonder if Obama will get credit for having the most people getting off food stamps in history next year?
 
2012-01-21 07:28:54 PM
Obama was hired to clean up Bush's mess. This is not new information.
 
2012-01-21 07:32:27 PM
LouDobbsAwaaaay: Obama was hired to clean up Bush's mess. This is not new information.

well, by adding 10,000,000 people to SNAP he is failing big time. 44% increase is failure.
 
2012-01-21 07:34:35 PM
NBC has already called South Carolina for Gingrich.
 
2012-01-21 07:37:03 PM
cman: Someone asked Newt a stupid question and got called on it, so obviously its all Newts fault

That's how it works isn't it? I mean, it was the bad old LIEberal media's fault when they called Newt on his stupid marital hijinx.

Sorta like, "he who smelt it dealt it."
 
2012-01-21 07:55:29 PM
Newt makes it sound like everyone on food stamps are lazy and not working, they should get paychecks instead.

The reality is that most people on food stamps ARE working, the disparity of wealth in this country is so bad though that working people still need assistance. I haven't heard a single idea from him that addresses that.
 
2012-01-21 07:57:06 PM
Wow. It took exactly one post to blame this on Bush.

Pathetic.
 
2012-01-21 07:57:12 PM
Nabb1


2012-01-21 11:48:36 AM


In the first few decades of the 20th century, we painfully moved from an agricultural economy to an industrial economy. Millions of people who worked in agriculture found themselves out of work as farming became more efficient with mechanization, better fertilization, and so on. In the late 20th century, we began the painful transition from a manufacturing economy to a service economy. There are other things that have gone wrong, but I suspect a lot if it has to do with the foundations of our economy evolving. And while policy decisions can cause problems in their own right on top of that, the shift in the economy can't be without problems. Just a thought.

ok the move from manufact. to services i understand

what i dont understand is the constant drive to boost the cost of doing business here, resulting in former tax generators now being over there.
speaking as a financially conservative liberal - if you drive businesses under, you cant tax them
 
2012-01-21 07:58:43 PM
bugontherug: NBC has already called South Carolina for Gingrich.

Oh, joy!
 
2012-01-21 07:59:46 PM
Nabb1: In the first few decades of the 20th century, we painfully moved from an agricultural economy to an industrial economy. Millions of people who worked in agriculture found themselves out of work as farming became more efficient with mechanization, better fertilization, and so on. In the late 20th century, we began the painful transition from a manufacturing economy to a service economy. There are other things that have gone wrong, but I suspect a lot if it has to do with the foundations of our economy evolving. And while policy decisions can cause problems in their own right on top of that, the shift in the economy can't be without problems. Just a thought.

Impossible. I've been on fark long enough to know this either Bush's or Obama's fault.
 
2012-01-21 08:09:37 PM
shlabotnik: Wow. It took exactly one post to blame this on Bush.

Pathetic.


Yeah Bush ended his presidency with the economy in wonderful shape.
 
2012-01-21 08:09:39 PM
Nabb1: In the first few decades of the 20th century, we painfully moved from an agricultural economy to an industrial economy. Millions of people who worked in agriculture found themselves out of work as farming became more efficient with mechanization, better fertilization, and so on. In the late 20th century, we began the painful transition from a manufacturing economy to a service economy. There are other things that have gone wrong, but I suspect a lot if it has to do with the foundations of our economy evolving. And while policy decisions can cause problems in their own right on top of that, the shift in the economy can't be without problems. Just a thought.

We also made a transition from a people put things together economy to a robots put things together economy...and a webmaster and staff runs the company web page to some communications major updates the companys facebook status.

Facebook cost jobs.
 
2012-01-21 08:10:10 PM
Nina got facts on foods stamps wrong too, and those facts have been for decades, so I'm not sure how she could make that mistake except for self delusion.
but to be fair, she's probably getting senile in her old age.

Nina: "it doesn't matter that, uh, his suggestion is minorities are the ones who get food stamps, that faarrrr more white people get food stamps...facts don't matter to him. it makes for great, talk.


/newt may have lied. probably did, he's a prick. but she wasn't truthful either.


Participants
According to the United States Department of Agriculture (based on a study of data gathered in Fiscal Year 2010), statistics for the food stamp program are as follows:[13]
49% of all participants are children (17 or younger), and 49% of them live in single-parent households.
15% of all participants are elderly (age 60 or over).
20% of all participants are non-elderly disabled people.
The average gross monthly income per food stamp household is $731; The average net income is $336.
35% of participants are White; 22% are African-American, not Hispanic; 10% are Hispanic; 2% are Asian, 4% are Native American, and 19% are of unknown race or ethnicity.[13]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supplemental_Nutrition_Assistance_Progr am (new window)
 
2012-01-21 08:11:29 PM
bindlestiff2600: what i dont understand is the constant drive to boost the cost of doing business here, resulting in former tax generators now being over there.
speaking as a financially conservative liberal - if you drive businesses under, you cant tax them


And what constant drives would that be, out of curiosity?
 
2012-01-21 08:18:13 PM
 
2012-01-21 08:27:23 PM
Nabb1: In the late 20th century, we began the painful transition from a manufacturing economy to a service economy.

As in everyone in the economy living in slums to provide services to a wealthy few who can afford them?
 
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