Crusty Jugglers!

These people are scum and should be thrown out of the country.

Send them back to Mexico!!

For people who are called "travelers," they certainly have a way of staying put.

Do you suppose the word "van" is simply an abbreviation of "caravan"?

On the other hand, do you suppose the word "car" is simply an abbreviation of "caravan"?

Aren't they the ones who defecate outside in the bushes because they think it's "filthy" to take a crap inside their homes?

Freedom can be an eyesore.

Nakito: Do you suppose the word "van" is simply an abbreviation of "caravan"?

On the other hand, do you suppose the word "car" is simply an abbreviation of "caravan"?

Van is from caravan, but car is from Latin carrum for cart or chariot.

MBK: farking pikeys

It's "fookin' pikeys"

Draft some laws, bros. Our transients get no love from the police or public.

I'm seeing words like "eyesore" and "overcrowding". Can anyone explain how they're actually injuring anyone else? Or are they just dirty Irish scum and therefore not actually human?

You guys are obviously just RACIST. These people aren't 'illegals' they are just in search of a better life.

I'm assuming by "travellers", they are being PC for Gypsies?

RanDomino: I'm seeing words like "eyesore" and "overcrowding". Can anyone explain how they're actually injuring anyone else? Or are they just dirty Irish scum and therefore not actually human?

Ding! Ding! Ding!
I think we have a winner.

I guess the Council's solution wasn't final.

Hoopety floopflers!

Maybe the government should create special camps for these high concentrations of people.

Nogami: I'm assuming by "travellers", they are being PC for Gypsies?

travellers are irish travellers, gypsies are roma. Did I get that right?

BronyMedic: Loucifer: Crusty Jugglers!

The town has a high rate of accidents, ya know.

/for the greater good.

The greater good..

HotWingConspiracy: Draft some laws, bros. Our transients get no love from the police or public.

I'm from New England, and now live in NYC. I have never seen 'transients' here like they have in the UK and Europe- i.e. organized, mobile clans of people with a modicum of material wealth derived primarily from illegal activities. Maybe they are a problem in other parts of the country? I just haven't heard about it. I think part of their problem is that their living conditions are just on the edge of legality- illegal, but close enough to create problems with enforcement.

I realize that now that we've bought every single Ft.² of dirt on earth and put up a FOR RENT sign and taxed it silly, that things are supposed to work "one certain way". And, yeah.. money, gimmie, etc... I get it. But if anybody thought that nomadic peoples, entrenched in very old and less than socially attractive cultural mores were going to simply go out, buy neckties and start working at Sainsbury's, then they are drastically historically illiterate. The legal enforcement of cultural norms has always been a sketchy proposition and usually comes down to either very good educational programs that have a reachable carrot on the stick, or simply legislating who can and cannot enter your country. Chasing them around the neighborhood like feral dogs isn't a game plan.

Nakito: Do you suppose the word "van" is simply an abbreviation of "caravan"?

On the other hand, do you suppose the word "car" is simply an abbreviation of "caravan"?

Car is short for "carriage". Horseless carriage.

Nogami: I'm assuming by "travellers", they are being PC for Gypsies?

Irish Travelers are not Gypsies -- "Gypsies" are usually Roma , central euro-asian

Travelers are nomadic people of Irish decent

( Top of my head don't gripe if I got anything wrong )

You would rather have them on the roads?

Blardy Pikeys

Magic_Button: Nogami: I'm assuming by "travellers", they are being PC for Gypsies?

Irish Travelers are not Gypsies -- "Gypsies" are usually Roma , central euro-asian

Travelers are nomadic people of Irish decent

( Top of my head don't gripe if I got anything wrong )

You dont even know what gypos are do you?

bipolarbear: BronyMedic: Loucifer: Crusty Jugglers!

The town has a high rate of accidents, ya know.

/for the greater good.

The greater good..

Shut it!

bunner: I realize that now that we've bought every single Ft.² of dirt on earth and put up a FOR RENT sign and taxed it silly, that things are supposed to work "one certain way". And, yeah.. money, gimmie, etc... I get it. But if anybody thought that nomadic peoples, entrenched in very old and less than socially attractive cultural mores were going to simply go out, buy neckties and start working at Sainsbury's, then they are drastically historically illiterate. The legal enforcement of cultural norms has always been a sketchy proposition and usually comes down to either very good educational programs that have a reachable carrot on the stick, or simply legislating who can and cannot enter your country. Chasing them around the neighborhood like feral dogs isn't a game plan.

From the article:
"...who lived on the Dale Farm site for ten years..."
These people aren't "nomadic". They are squatters.
We have travelers here in the States too, but they actually are nomadic, and they usually don't travel in big groups - they drive around and don't stay in one spot too long. We have zillions of Wal-Mart parking lots and highway rest stops where they park. They don't just plop down on some farmer's land and create a city and live there for 10 years.

HotWingConspiracy: Draft some laws, bros. Our transients get no love from the police or public.

I was gonna say. They've got some mighty generous rights to camp over there. Hypothetically speaking, you can list a long string of banhammers that will come down quickly on someone trying this in the US.

Part of the problem is that "public commons" institution there is pretty vulnerable to abuse. We have many public parks here but there are some pretty strict enforcement of park rules BECAUSE it's so easy to misuse them. Well, until the Occupy Wall Street exploited the "free speech" thing as kind of a loophole.

Now in the US, we do have national parks but they generally say you can't stay in one place more than 2 weeks to prevent this sort of residency and pseudo-ownership of the land. And you're not gonna get away with staying one more day that that unless maybe you've got a good excuse and are extra-polite and there's only one of you.

There are vast stretches of federally owned land and people do squat on them, but they have to stay low-profile and typically far from human settlement, which defeats the value in doing so, no way to make a living there.

bunner: I realize that now that we've bought every single Ft.² of dirt on earth and put up a FOR RENT sign and taxed it silly, that things are supposed to work "one certain way". And, yeah.. money, gimmie, etc... I get it. But if anybody thought that nomadic peoples, entrenched in very old and less than socially attractive cultural mores were going to simply go out, buy neckties and start working at Sainsbury's, then they are drastically historically illiterate. The legal enforcement of cultural norms has always been a sketchy proposition and usually comes down to either very good educational programs that have a reachable carrot on the stick, or simply legislating who can and cannot enter your country. Chasing them around the neighborhood like feral dogs isn't a game plan.


If that's the case, then use the system against itself: Act as a collective and acquire their own land. They would have somewhere to go, and they could acquire other resources to leverage for their own good.

They of course won't do that because these people are bums, straight bums. They don't want to own anything because they don't want the responsibility. Of course that doesn't stop them from leeching off others. They are truly parasites.

/Hates gypsies.
//Actually got to backhand one once, got caught trying to steal from my car.
///It was immensely rewarding. I highly recommend it.

Oznog: Well, until the Occupy Wall Street exploited the "free speech" thing as kind of a loophole.

Stupid Bill of Rights...

When you evict them take their caravans.

Two Dogs Farking: They stayed so their dags wouldn't get homesick

dags?

Oznog: HotWingConspiracy: Draft some laws, bros. Our transients get no love from the police or public.

I was gonna say. They've got some mighty generous rights to camp over there. Hypothetically speaking, you can list a long string of banhammers that will come down quickly on someone trying this in the US.

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If I recall correctly, and I might be wrong, I understood that they owned the land.

The issue was one of planning permission, rather than squatting. (I think?)

I like caravans more.

PartTimeBuddha: If I recall correctly, and I might be wrong, I understood that they owned the land.

The issue was one of planning permission, rather than squatting. (I think?)

AFAIK the site that was just evicted used to be a scrapyard. next to it was a place set aside by the council for travellers to park legally. people parked on the scrapyard and then 18M was spent to get them to move 40 feet to the place they were legally allowed to be. Now they say there are too many for the legal place.

BiffDangler: These people are scum and should be thrown out of the country.

have you met them all then?

Sorry, I think they owned the scrapyard also, yes.

RandomAxe: Generally these people are not substantially Irish or Roma, not that it's better or worse, and usually, yes, they're engaged in illegal activities, to say nothing of considerable incidental property damage, and if it were your property you'd be awfully pissed off, but being thrown out of wherever they are is largely how we got into this mess in the first place.

The bottom line is that some cultures are not well-suited to harmonious co-existence with existing society, but neither are they able (for reasons physical, economic, or whatever) to live apart from it. Friction occurs. Rarely is there an all-around good way to deal with it, but there are many ways to milk it.

The reality is usually squallid, and boring, but occasionally it makes for a good news story.

Basically this. A minority culture which cannot coexist within the majority should be either dismantled or deported.