Because e-cigs don't create secondhand smoke, you can smoke them anywhere.

Hallelujah.

What about those of us who enjoy second hand smoke???

doczoidberg: What about those of us who enjoy second hand smoke???

Move to Virginia, Marlboro boy.

gopher321: doczoidberg: What about those of us who enjoy second hand smoke???

Move to Virginia, Marlboro boy.

Nope. Illegal here, too.

They'll never be as cool as the real thing

SkunkWerks: "I look very, very cool."

No, you really don't.

"I am a guy smoking a gadget."

A pacifier is a gadget.

"...with a cell phone-style battery inside..."

A cell phone is a very fancy pacifier.

"...because the restrictions on regular cigarettes have gotten a little ridiculous."

No, they haven't. You are a douche with a high-tech pacifier. And by the by? It's still killing you.

Grats.

Why the fark do you care, pal?

gopher321: Because e-cigs don't create secondhand smoke, you can smoke them anywhere.

Hallelujah.

Not anymore, because it' not about secondhand smoke or anything like that. It's about control. E-smokes put out water vapor, yet people are still banning them as if they were real cigarettes. Once that pendulum swung the anti-smokers decided to do everything they could to make smokers pay, from upping the taxes to banning them in bars to now trying to ban e-smokes. Oh, they don't want you to quit, they want you to carry that huge tax bill in perpetuity so they don't have to, but they also want to make your life miserable for it.

06wildcat: e-cigs are actually more affordable than regular cigs. Much more affordable.

Stop understating it. For the price of a single carton you can get everything you need for a month, and replacement costs for the nicotine juice and the occasional battery if you get a good one are miniscule. It pays for itself in less than a month, after that it's pure gravy.

KkrrRRZZZZ: Adolf Oliver Nipples: E-smokes put out water vapor, yet people are still banning them as if they were real cigarettes.

That should work fine for passing whatever germs and sickness the smoker, scuse me, water vapor user is carrying.

What do you think you exhale, pinhead?

Macular Degenerate: So you can continue to be dependent on a corporation and the nicotine they pump into your pasty addicted body. Yay freedom.

If you use these things you are farking retarded.

Yes, yay freedom. They're not blowing smoke in your face so what's your biatch?

As for being retarded, you sound fat.

SkunkWerks: And by the by? It's still killing you.

Grats.

Are they? Any evidence for that?

FormlessOne: SkunkWerks: No, they haven't. You are a douche with a high-tech pacifier. And by the by? It's still killing you. Grats.

Came here for this.

Dughan: Why the fark do you care, pal?

Because, when these things become the iPhone for richer folks wanting to look cool, cigarettes become the Nokia of poor smokers. Anything, anything at all, that encourages tobacco use is stupid, not glamorous or "cool."

To use a hyperbolic example, this is like creating expensive "paint chips", in a variety of flavors, for the rich & famous enjoying the novelty of "eating paint chips" - and, in return, lead poisoning among children spikes because they want to emulate their famous idols.

Why do you care, though?

1) It is healthier for you than cigarettes.

2) It doesn't smell anywhere near as bad.

3) You can regulate more effectively the amount of nicotine you get, thereby helping you to dial back a bit at a time.

4) Unlike other substitutes, it satisfies the need to "play with something".

People like to feel high. That is a fact. If they want to get that via a cigarette, who gives two flying farks? So you know, lung cancer killed my grandmother, grandfather, and is doing it's level best to kill my mother right now. They all smoked. My mother STILL smokes! It's a stupid farking habit that causes problems, but so what? People ought to be allowed to ruin their own health however they choose. Not because it is a good thing, but because it is what they choose, and until they realize the consequence of their actions (or become so debilitated they cannot), they will not actually learn.

You cannot enforce wisdom, you cannot demand foresight, and you sure as hell cannot stop people from enjoying chemicals. People don't care that it causes problems, people don't care that it kills them. People want what they want in the moment, and most times... that is as far as they tend to think about it. So, let them do as they will. Sex, drugs and rock n' roll, etc etc. Is that stupid? Yeah, from our point of view... but by and large, we are in the minority. More people than not seem to give very little thought to more than a few months ahead, if that far. That isn't some "failing" on their part... it's how and who they are. We view it as a negative, and as a result get so bent out of shape and upset that it makes our stomachs hurt and our heads spin. They don't care. Who is made more miserable by their choices, then?

/Put down what you don't need to carry

skinnycatullus: SkunkWerks: And by the by? It's still killing you.

Grats.

Are they? Any evidence for that?

Nope. Nicotine is addicative, and will kill you in large enough amounts ( so will water), but is generally benign. It may increase brain function in Alzheimer's patients. It's the other crap in cigarettes that will kill at least 12% of the users.

I tried em for a while as part of my quitting plan. Didn't work for me. Just made me miss real cigarettes. I know to most, cigarettes taste disgusting, but to a smoker, there are few more delicious flavors. That being said, they seem to be a safe alternative and I encourage those who want them to try them. They don't harm anyone (other than possibly the smoker - the long term effects are as yet unknown) and they give the oral fixation smokers so desperately crave.

/really need to quit smoking

Totally Wicked sells the one I use. No complaints here.

Never smoked, but I have no problem with e-cigs. If everyone smoking a conventional cigarette today smoked an e-cig tomorrow, I'd be a happy woman.

FormlessOne: SkunkWerks: No, they haven't. You are a douche with a high-tech pacifier. And by the by? It's still killing you. Grats.

Came here for this.

Do either of you have a study that shows this? Or are you just making it up? Or just hoping, perhaps?

I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm saying you're talking out your ass. The studies aren't complete but, so far, they aren't looking good for your talking point. Nicotine isn't going to kill you in small doses. If an e-cig kills someone it's because they took the juice and bathed in it or drank a gallon or two of it in its purest form and they deserved to die.

By the way, I'm a BuzzPro user though I now own a dozen or so mods. I wouldn't without having done, you know, some basic investigation into the known risks. So far making any claims is straight up bull.

FormlessOne: Anything, anything at all, that encourages tobacco use is stupid, not glamorous or "cool."

Holy crap, you are a special kind of stupid.

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Totally Wicked sells the one I use. No complaints here.

Seconded.

MadManMoon: Bunny Deville: I'm currently shopping around for one, anyone got a recommendation?

I recommend the Joye eGo-T. It uses a tank instead of a wick cartridge, for a more consistent flavor (I found the wick cartridges would give you strong hits to start, then the flavor would quickly fade). I get my liquid from Volcano eCigs in Hawaii, since it's made in the USA and tastes frickin' WONDERFUL! I'm a big fan of the Cherry Lava.

I get my e-cigs and supplies from ElectroNicStix (new window) out of Utah. Grab the eGo-T starter kit and enjoy!

This too. The eGo-T and Tornado Tank from Totally Wicked are the same thing. Very easy to use.

Guidette Frankentits: My religions says all people should have forced exposure to secondhand smoke.

Anti-smoking laws violate my religious freedom.

What about anti-e-cig laws? You know, e-cigs are what this thread is about.

Smoking is retarded, like volunteering for a stupid-tax that makes you feel awful when you try to stop paying it, but it seems like this e-cig thing would clear up all the problems with smoking that aren't part of the "you are doing something expensive and retarded to yourself for no reason" problem that should frankly just be your own retarded business.