Nice.

This one's for the sluts.

James!: This one's for the sluts.

Not sure if rage?

what_now: James!: This one's for the sluts.

Not sure if rage?

Joke.

It's a shiatload cheaper than a bunch of unplanned/unwanted babies.

ecmoRandomNumbers: It's a shiatload cheaper than a bunch of unplanned/unwanted babies.

But unplanned and unwanted babies mostly plague the poor, or make you poor, creating a larger underclass for a slave labor pool. They're also far more likely to be under- or uneducated, a prime Republican voting demographic. Add to that higher incidence of criminality to provide fuel for the private prison machine, and the ease with which the rich sidestep this whole morass, and it's no wonder the righties decry readily available birth control.

Why are women contraceptives so expensive? Didn't most of the R&D for that get done in the 50s (and they saved $$$ on it by testing it on human subjects in Puerto Rico w/o following more expensive ethical protocols).

I always figured that by adding it to insurance the companies charge whatever they want and women just keep getting the stuff w/o questioning the price because insurance pays for it. This of course makes the contraceptives less accessible to women w/o insurance who probably have more need for effective contraception than their insured counterparts.

Maybe instead of adding it to health plans the government should had regulated the price down to a few cents a pill.

(But then again my premise may be wrong and there may be other unintended consequences to having cheap available oral contraceptives in this manner instead of through health plans)

IDK. Maybe a public health mayor out there understands this better.

Bravo Obama for committing to keeping crime rates down. That's something Republicans can't say.

Because paying for pregnancies is so much cheaper

kbronsito: Why are women contraceptives so expensive?

Because fark them. They're just woman.

kbronsito: Why are women contraceptives so expensive?

Because people in the US have enough money to pay for them. That's all.

Everyone knows that contraceptives are an immoral cesspit that will force everyone to have more hot, steamy, sinful sex.

kbronsito: Why are women contraceptives so expensive?

If someone is getting screwed, they want in on it.

Marcus Aurelius: Everyone knows that contraceptives are an immoral cesspit that will force everyone to have more hot, steamy, sinful sex.

Praise OBAMA!

GAT_00: Bravo Obama for committing to keeping crime rates down. That's something Republicans can't say.

Usually you make sense. I'm not sure what you are getting at here.

How is giving birth related to crime?

what_now: Not sure if rage?

What's wrong with sluts? Do they refuse to sleep with you?

Marcus Aurelius: Everyone knows that contraceptives are an immoral cesspit that will force everyone to have more hot, steamy, sinful sex.

Darth_Lukecash: How is giving birth related to crime?

Lack of access to contraception/abortion tends to lead to more children than parents can afford to raise, increasing poverty rates; higher poverty tends to yield higher crime rates.

See WP piece.

kbronsito: Why are women contraceptives so expensive?

Same reason women's clothes cost more than men's clothes, despite the fact they use less materials then men's clothes and sell in higher volume resulting in greater economies of scale. Because women are dumb and will pay.

Darth_Lukecash: GAT_00: Bravo Obama for committing to keeping crime rates down. That's something Republicans can't say.

Usually you make sense. I'm not sure what you are getting at here.

How is giving birth related to crime?

It's a reference to Freakanomics. Crime rates began to fall across the board starting in 1994, and violent crime began to fall as early as 1991, which was the highest rates ever recorded in the US. They bottomed out in 2004, but have slightly risen since then. Violent crime rates are approximately half today what they were in 1991. This has been attributed to a very large number of things over time including gun laws, better policing and more jails, without any conclusive evidence. Levitt and Dubner postulated that the likely cause was actually Roe v. Wade. Unwanted children, carried to term because an abortion was not possible, are far more likely to be come criminals. Because of the legalization of abortion and the increase in contraceptives since then, there are less unwanted children who might become criminals.

1991 was 18 years after Roe v. Wade.

Can I get a healthcare mandate to cover lotion and kleenex?

GAT_00: 1991 was 18 years after Roe v. Wade.

Playing devil's advocate, however, another suspect is the phase-out of lead in gasoline.

abb3w: What's wrong with sluts? Do they refuse to sleep with you?

Well, if we go with the traditional version of "slut" which is a woman who engages in pre-marital sex, then yes. They refuse to sleep with me. Because I am not a lesbian.

If we go with the new version of "slut" which is a woman who says "fark you, I do what I want", than yes. Because I am not a lesbian.

ShawnDoc: kbronsito: Why are women contraceptives so expensive?

Same reason women's clothes cost more than men's clothes, despite the fact they use less materials then men's clothes and sell in higher volume resulting in greater economies of scale. Because women are dumb and will pay.

Are you saying Canadian women are smarter than their US counterparts? Because up here, the pill costs around 1/3 to 1/2 of what you Yanks pay for it.

abb3w: GAT_00: 1991 was 18 years after Roe v. Wade.

Playing devil's advocate, however, another suspect is the phase-out of lead in gasoline.

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Yeah, I know. It is an interesting conclusion, especially since the other theories put forward can be disproved.

Crime rates have absolutely plummeted in the last twenty years, no matter what the media tells you.

In 1991, the violent crime rate was 844.2 - out of 100,000 people, in a given year 844.2 of them were a victim of violent crime. That includes murder, rape, robbery and aggravated assault. In 2004, that number was 427. As of the most recent statistics from the FBI, the UCR is only updated through 2009, that number was 449.8

That's an astonishing drop.

Leaded gasoline is interesting, but it should have been noticeable almost immediately. Lead falls out of the atmosphere in just a year or two. A quick look at Wiki says we stopped using it after crime rates began to fall. That's a no-go to me.

Leaded gas as a cause for Alzheimer's is pretty likely though.

what_now: Well, if we go with the traditional version of "slut" which is a woman who engages in pre-marital sex, then yes. They refuse to sleep with me. Because I am not a lesbian.

Wouldn't that actually be you refusing to sleep with them? Your actions don't make someone else not be promiscuous.

what_now: Not sure if rage?

GAT_00: Wouldn't that actually be you refusing to sleep with them? Your actions don't make someone else not be promiscuous.

yeah, I wasn't really sure how to make that work.

what_now: GAT_00: Wouldn't that actually be you refusing to sleep with them? Your actions don't make someone else not be promiscuous.

yeah, I wasn't really sure how to make that work.

A couple of margaritas, some Ani Difranco. Just let things happen.

An-Unnecessarily-Long-Name: Insurance companies doing what they do best.

Getting laws requiring you to pay them. Check
Getting the Govt to force them to add something that will lower thier cost. Check
Raising premiums when both cost and liability go down.... Double Check

Yep. Helluva business model--you can see why they don't want to give up that kind of sweet action.

James!: what_now: GAT_00: Wouldn't that actually be you refusing to sleep with them? Your actions don't make someone else not be promiscuous.

yeah, I wasn't really sure how to make that work.

A couple of margaritas, some Ani Difranco. Just let things happen.



I'm so glad you didn't say Tori Amos.

James!: what_now: GAT_00: Wouldn't that actually be you refusing to sleep with them? Your actions don't make someone else not be promiscuous.

yeah, I wasn't really sure how to make that work.

A couple of margaritas, some Ani Difranco. Just let things happen.

Thank GOD I was not drinking my beverage when I read that comment.

what_now: James!: what_now: GAT_00: Wouldn't that actually be you refusing to sleep with them? Your actions don't make someone else not be promiscuous.

yeah, I wasn't really sure how to make that work.

A couple of margaritas, some Ani Difranco. Just let things happen.



I'm so glad you didn't say Tori Amos.

I know lesbians.

James!: I know lesbians.

I've never liked Tori or Ani Difranco.

/Melissa Etheridge is pretty good though.

James!: what_now: GAT_00: Wouldn't that actually be you refusing to sleep with them? Your actions don't make someone else not be promiscuous.

yeah, I wasn't really sure how to make that work.

A couple of margaritas, some Ani Difranco. Just let things happen.

laf

James!: what_now: James!: what_now: GAT_00: Wouldn't that actually be you refusing to sleep with them? Your actions don't make someone else not be promiscuous.

yeah, I wasn't really sure how to make that work.

A couple of margaritas, some Ani Difranco. Just let things happen.



I'm so glad you didn't say Tori Amos.

I know lesbians.

Um....my favorite lesbian has seen Tori Amos 26 times in concert. I just don't really like her.

what_now: James!: what_now: James!: what_now: GAT_00: Wouldn't that actually be you refusing to sleep with them? Your actions don't make someone else not be promiscuous.

yeah, I wasn't really sure how to make that work.

A couple of margaritas, some Ani Difranco. Just let things happen.



I'm so glad you didn't say Tori Amos.

I know lesbians.

Um....my favorite lesbian has seen Tori Amos 26 times in concert. I just don't really like her.

Nope. I know lesbians, they don't listen to Tori Amos.

You know what the difference between a slut and a biatch?

A slut will sleep with anyone.

A biatch will sleep with anyone but you.

/99 problems...

what_now: Um....my favorite lesbian has seen Tori Amos 26 times in concert. I just don't really like her.

If you don't like her, why dis she your favorite lesbian?

/And should you really have favorites? That seems unfair to the others...

Darth_Lukecash: You know what the difference between a slut and a biatch?

A slut will sleep with anyone.

A biatch will sleep with anyone but you.

/99 problems...

what_now: They refuse to sleep with me. Because I am not a lesbian.

...and regarding the primary inquiry, in what sense is this something "wrong" with sluts?

GAT_00: Wouldn't that actually be you refusing to sleep with them?
what_now: yeah, I wasn't really sure how to make that work.

So, wouldn't that be closer to something wrong with you than wrong with sluts?

James!: A couple of margaritas, some Ani Difranco. Just let things happen.

It only needs fixing if it's actually a problem.

This is tantamount to state mandated sterilization!

At least I think that's how Gingrich will spin it.

Diogenes: This is tantamount to state mandated sterilization!

At least I think that's how Gingrich will spin it.

Actually, the conservative base was really all for mandatory sterilization/abortions of those "Not them"

You would think that they would celebrate people CHOOSING to do it to themselves.

kbronsito: Why are women contraceptives so expensive? Didn't most of the R&D for that get done in the 50s (and they saved $$$ on it by testing it on human subjects in Puerto Rico w/o following more expensive ethical protocols).

Yeah, I'm not sure about why either. What you say seems to make sense, but in Turkey we also have a private health insurance system and a public one (you can choose which you want), and birth control pills are still incredibly cheap, like a couple of bucks for a month's worth out of pocket. That's how it should cost for everyone, but I'm a crazy social democrat so what do I know?

coco ebert: kbronsito: Why are women contraceptives so expensive? Didn't most of the R&D for that get done in the 50s (and they saved $$$ on it by testing it on human subjects in Puerto Rico w/o following more expensive ethical protocols).

Yeah, I'm not sure about why either. What you say seems to make sense, but in Turkey we also have a private health insurance system and a public one (you can choose which you want), and birth control pills are still incredibly cheap, like a couple of bucks for a month's worth out of pocket. That's how it should cost for everyone, but I'm a crazy social democrat so what do I know?

American consumers have paid for the rest of the worlds cheap medicine.