Subby, it just snowed in Seattle, for Chrissake.

Urban Heat Islands! Climate Gate! Solar Radiation! Volcanic Eruptions! Liberal Media! Political Influence in Science! Jesus!

Pocket Ninja: Subby, it just snowed in Seattle, for Chrissake.

And it's cold and raining in California, too

/warming shmorming

ShawnDoc: Urban Heat Islands! Climate Gate! Solar Radiation! Volcanic Eruptions! Liberal Media! Political Influence in Science! Jesus!

OK, that's good. Good.

Anything else? We done here?

Pocket Ninja: Subby, it just snowed in Seattle, for Chrissake.

I know you're being sarcastic and mocking the people who would use an argument like that in all seriousness, but every time I hear it even in jest it makes me cringe. Because there really are people out there who haven't yet figured out that weather in one pocket of one piece of the world is different than global climate and that a warmer planet overall will in fact mean things like more productive storms.

Poe's law, I guess. :-/

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Pocket Ninja: Subby, it just snowed in Seattle, for Chrissake.

And it's cold and raining in California, too

/warming shmorming

And Tacoma is covered in an inch-thick sheet of ice at the moment.

gilgigamesh: ShawnDoc: Urban Heat Islands! Climate Gate! Solar Radiation! Volcanic Eruptions! Liberal Media! Political Influence in Science! Jesus!

OK, that's good. Good.

Anything else? We done here?

The big one - that anything that happened is purely due to cyclical weather patterns and not as the result of any anthropogenic causes.

Since long-term climate patterns tend to be clumped into groupings, this isn't all that significant. We are definitely in a warming pattern, the question is whether or not it is anthropogenic or natural..

gilgigamesh: ShawnDoc: Urban Heat Islands! Climate Gate! Solar Radiation! Volcanic Eruptions! Liberal Media! Political Influence in Science! Jesus!

OK, that's good. Good.

Anything else? We done here?

*raises hand*

Even if, nothing we can do about it because China and Russia! Al Gore private jet! Cap and Tax! UN One World Government! East Anglia!

veedeevadeevoodee: unlikely: but every time I hear it even in jest it makes me cringe.

[lh5.ggpht.com image 512x384]

Do they make that in soothing eucalyptus?

Norv Turner: GOOD

Rising water = less land = increased property value = me being richer and closer to the beach

And all the Hoopies will take up surfing, right?

Kid Lester: gilgigamesh: ShawnDoc: Urban Heat Islands! Climate Gate! Solar Radiation! Volcanic Eruptions! Liberal Media! Political Influence in Science! Jesus!

OK, that's good. Good.

Anything else? We done here?

*raises hand*

Even if, nothing we can do about it because China and Russia! Al Gore private jet! Cap and Tax! UN One World Government! East Anglia!

What it all boils down is: Al Gore is fat, therefore anthropogenic climate change is a hoax perpetrated by a conspiracy of tens of thousands of climate scientists.

Kid Lester: gilgigamesh: ShawnDoc: Urban Heat Islands! Climate Gate! Solar Radiation! Volcanic Eruptions! Liberal Media! Political Influence in Science! Jesus!

OK, that's good. Good.

Anything else? We done here?

*raises hand*

Even if, nothing we can do about it because China and Russia! Al Gore private jet! Cap and Tax! UN One World Government! East Anglia!

Solyndra?

Real climate change deniers say the data sucks, is manipulated, is omitted and the research is funded by a liberal conspiracy. They don't even question the science, they question the data and the people funding the science.

ShawnDoc: Urban Heat Islands! Climate Gate! Solar Radiation! Volcanic Eruptions! Liberal Media! Political Influence in Science! Jesus!

ObResponseLink

ArkAngel: Since long-term climate patterns tend to be clumped into groupings, this isn't all that significant. We are definitely in a warming pattern, the question is whether or not it is anthropogenic or natural..

#59, BTW.

gilgigamesh: Anything else? We done here?

"Summon Jon Snow."

Flab: Solyndra?

One of the resident climate deniers recently went on a rant about how when Jesus died, his body decomposed instantly, sending radiation outwards that was absorbed by the Shroud of Turin, and still detectable by certain instruments. And then it got weird.

But yeah, we're supposed to believe they're honest "skeptics" who haven't seen quite enough scientific evidence to persuade them yet.

Norv Turner: GOOD

Rising water = less land = increased property value = me being richer and closer to the beach



What a house close to the beach might look like.

Norv Turner: 2wolves: Norv Turner: GOOD

Rising water = less land = increased property value = me being richer and closer to the beach

And all the Hoopies will take up surfing, right?

hoopie?

An insult (worse than hillbilly) given to residents of West Virginia. According to history, the city of East Liverpool OH, across the river from WV, was an important maker of pottery. West Virginia residents looking for work in the area were only skilled enough to bang together the metal strips that would make the hoops needed for barrel construction.
"We're playing the Mountaineers in basketball? They're a bunch of stupid hoopies."

I'm wearing a sweater today.
Global warming my ass!

ArkAngel: Since long-term climate patterns tend to be clumped into groupings, this isn't all that significant. We are definitely in a warming pattern, the question is whether or not it is anthropogenic or natural..

You may wish to begin with this reprint of Rosenzweig, et al. It's a reasonably accessible primary research article from Nature demonstrating why the recently observed climate change has diverse signals that fall outside the range of natural variability. Less accessible but certainly relevant is Swanson, et al.. The abstract from it:

"Global mean temperature at the Earth's surface responds both to externally imposed forcings, such as those arising from anthropogenic greenhouse gases, as well as to natural modes of variability internal to the climate system. Variability associated with these latter processes, generally referred to as natural long-term climate variability, arises primarily from changes in oceanic circulation. Here we present a technique that objectively identifies the component of inter-decadal global mean surface temperature attributable to natural long-term climate variability. Removal of that hidden variability from the actual observed global mean surface temperature record delineates the externally forced climate signal, which is monotonic, accelerating warming during the 20th century."

(Cue the "That's RASST" kid.)

ArkAngel: Since long-term climate patterns tend to be clumped into groupings, this isn't all that significant. We are definitely in a warming pattern, the question is whether or not it is anthropogenic or natural..

Came in to say this very thing, nearly word for word.

Cheers! ArkAngel

December's temps are really going to make the 2011 average

Flab: Kid Lester: gilgigamesh: ShawnDoc: Urban Heat Islands! Climate Gate! Solar Radiation! Volcanic Eruptions! Liberal Media! Political Influence in Science! Jesus!

OK, that's good. Good.

Anything else? We done here?

*raises hand*

Even if, nothing we can do about it because China and Russia! Al Gore private jet! Cap and Tax! UN One World Government! East Anglia!

Solyndra?

You morons are missing the most obvious explanation

chimp_ninja: ArkAngel: Since long-term climate patterns tend to be clumped into groupings, this isn't all that significant. We are definitely in a warming pattern, the question is whether or not it is anthropogenic or natural..

You may wish to begin with this reprint of Rosenzweig, et al. It's a reasonably accessible primary research article from Nature demonstrating why the recently observed climate change has diverse signals that fall outside the range of natural variability. Less accessible but certainly relevant is Swanson, et al.. The abstract from it:

"Global mean temperature at the Earth's surface responds both to externally imposed forcings, such as those arising from anthropogenic greenhouse gases, as well as to natural modes of variability internal to the climate system. Variability associated with these latter processes, generally referred to as natural long-term climate variability, arises primarily from changes in oceanic circulation. Here we present a technique that objectively identifies the component of inter-decadal global mean surface temperature attributable to natural long-term climate variability. Removal of that hidden variability from the actual observed global mean surface temperature record delineates the externally forced climate signal, which is monotonic, accelerating warming during the 20th century."

(Cue the "That's RASST" kid.)

I am not well versed enough in climate science to be able to discern whether or not it's man-made, I was mainly commenting on the "9 out of ten years" comment.

Weeeeeeeeeelllll.... the problem with that headline there is that meteorological records have really only been kept for about 150 years & the first 50 years were probably pretty suspect as far as accuracy goes. I don't mean to say that that makes these statistics IRRELEVANT, it just kind of puts them into perspective.

Also, I think El Nino & La Nina (which we are in the middle of now, which basically makes the weather backwards and upside down) play a big part in wreaking havoc with our perceptions of the climate. "OMG it's 75 degrees in Dallas today!" "It's snowing in Seattle!" "Tornadoes in Missouri!" I think a lot of people forget about them until we're so far into it that it turns out we've been dealing with it for months. Last year was an El Nino year. We're currently dealing with a fairly strong La Nina. However, as pointed out by the esteemed Pocket Ninja, current weather patterns don't mean shiat, at least not on their own. Dust in the wind, sands through the hourglass, drop in the ocean, etc.

So.... I think as far as anthropogenic global warming goes, we should consider all view points. Even the dumb ones. It helps us consider more carefully our facts & opinions. However. IMNHO this is really the only argument you need:

ArkAngel: the question is whether or not it is anthropogenic or natural..

And the answer is, "It's most likely anthropogenic, as that's the direction the vast majority of the evidence points."

and then I read the article.....

Pocket Ninja: Subby, it just snowed in Seattle, for Chrissake.

You are an idiot.

Seriously, there is a village that is missing you.

Darth_Lukecash: Pocket Ninja: Subby, it just snowed in Seattle, for Chrissake.

You are an idiot.

Seriously, there is a village that is missing you.

wah wah.

Darth_Lukecash: Pocket Ninja: Subby, it just snowed in Seattle, for Chrissake.

You are an idiot.

Seriously, there is a village that is missing you.

You know that ventriloquist guy with the purple dummy? And how when the dummy's making fun of an audience member, he whiffs his hand over his head and makes that "whoosh" sound?

Whooooooosh.

Darth_Lukecash: Pocket Ninja: Subby, it just snowed in Seattle, for Chrissake.

You are an idiot.

Seriously, there is a village that is missing you.

Hm.... login created in 2005..... not sure if serious

Di Atribe: Darth_Lukecash: Pocket Ninja: Subby, it just snowed in Seattle, for Chrissake.

You are an idiot.

Seriously, there is a village that is missing you.

Hm.... login created in 2005..... not sure if serious

I need a chart. I keep forgetting who is who around here.
/stupid old age.
DRINK!
FECK
GIRLS!

Darth_Lukecash: Di Atribe: Darth_Lukecash: Pocket Ninja: Subby, it just snowed in Seattle, for Chrissake.

You are an idiot.

Seriously, there is a village that is missing you.

Hm.... login created in 2005..... not sure if serious

I need a chart. I keep forgetting who is who around here.
/stupid old age.
DRINK!
FECK
GIRLS!

I've started really using the favorite colors in earnest. It virtually eliminates any Poe's Law issues after you've done enough of 'em.

Darth_Lukecash: I need a chart. I keep forgetting who is who around here.
/stupid old age.
DRINK!
FECK
GIRLS!


HA! And yes, use the favorites thing, man. Seriously. And mark Pocket Ninja as "tiny. deadly. awesome."

Or, you know, just a suggestion.

I'll ask the question I've been asking in every one of these threads as of late:

If you believe the planet is not warming, then please explain how doppler broadening is a load of crap. If you can't explain that, you simply CANNOT disprove that the planet is warming and you should STFU.

Di Atribe: Darth_Lukecash: I need a chart. I keep forgetting who is who around here.
/stupid old age.
DRINK!
FECK
GIRLS!


HA! And yes, use the favorites thing, man. Seriously. And mark Pocket Ninja as "tiny. deadly. awesome."

Or, you know, just a suggestion.

I used commas. Now to color code the rest of my faves...

Jake Havechek: Whoops. Wrong thread.

Not really.

GAT_00: I'll ask the question I've been asking in every one of these threads as of late:

If you believe the planet is not warming, then please explain how doppler broadening is a load of crap. If you can't explain that, you simply CANNOT disprove that the planet is warming and you should STFU.

You are asking people who rely on two invisible hands (The almighty and Free Market) over a wacky thing like "science" and "evidence".

Now if you found a piece of toast with Jesus saying that the earth is warming, you might have a chance.

The current warming began in 1750.... the previous warming ended in 1450. The height of the roman empire was exceptionally warm. But these are just micro climate variations. hell we're still in an ice age, just between glacial periods. It'll be very interesting to see what coming out of that longer will look like, or IS looking like.