I can make a finger or two disappear...

IN HIS WIFE!

Sylvia Plath approves...

Illusions, Michael.

Unimpressed:

His wife has the crazy eyes.

It's ok, a finger will grow back, just like your hair.

Well now at least he can teach his grandkids how to count fractions.

Now that's magic!


\not a lot...

FTA - "But Paul Daniels joked that he was disappointed his wife Debbie didn't dress up in a nurse's uniform and suspenders to look after him"

Giggity.....

Permanent shocker!

Serpoltas: Permanent shocker!

Two in the pink, one in the garbage...

Came for the G.O.B. reference, leaving satisfied.

But where did the saw come from!?!

Too bad it already existed.

Blues_X: Meh... he can grow them back (new window).

I have some of the finest snake oil products from the tropical lands of Columbia that can even regenerate human skin! Only 100 dollars an ounce! Get it while it lasts!

FirstNationalBastard: [i1.ytimg.com image 480x360]

Came here for the UHF reference. Great job.

'I'm afraid we're going to have to cut your arms off.'

'They'll grow back, right?'

'...yes.'

It would have been ironic if the guard cut his finger off. Otherwise it is just fail.

/police activity, carry on

OldManDownDRoad: Unfortunately, the cartridges that stop the blade are kinda pricey. And since the idiots in his class put things like hotdogs in the blade just to see it work - well, nine days out of ten he doesn't have a table saw cause his school district can only afford so many cartridges per semester.

In Saudi Arabia they'd take off your hand for doing that.

OldManDownDRoad: odinsposse: Too bad it already existed.

A friend of mine who teaches carpentry went to a lot of trouble to get one of those for his shop (bake sales, selling cabinets the students made, etc). Unfortunately, the cartridges that stop the blade are kinda pricey. And since the idiots in his class put things like hotdogs in the blade just to see it work - well, nine days out of ten he doesn't have a table saw cause his school district can only afford so many cartridges per semester.

Great saw, though. I used it to rip some pressure treat and it went through it like nothing.

The school needs to make all parents sign a document that if their kid deliberately trips the brake, they buy a new blade and cartridge. If you don't sign it, you don't take the class.

Alternatively he should get everyone to gather around and trip the saw during a lunch period (anyone who wants can come watch). Let them all see it and get it over with it for the cost of one cartridge. Then make it clear that if you trip it for fun, major suspension.

I bought my father one (since he's getting older) and we both felt that SawStop needs to make some bulky old model that has no branding on it. Make it look like some 1980s era saw that will take your entire arm off. Teachers could just buy that one and never tell anyone the feature is there.

odinsposse: Too bad it already existed.

Only problem I have with it: Sawstop, on google, cheapest price: $1600, though it's noted that even disregarding the safety feature, it's a really good table saw.

Seach on Google for 'table saw': $499, $474, etc...
Amazon search - going by table saws, looking for feature match - between $600 and $1k.

So it's a $600-1k feature. Yes, table saw accidents are horrible, disfiguring, and expensive, but I'd have to ask:
A. How many tablesaw injuries are there each year?
B. How many of the injuries determined with #1 would be prevented if everybody bought devices with sawstop tech? One thing I read is that you have to disable the safety when cutting wet/moist wood. Not everybody does, but some do, so the occasional accident would still happen.
C. How much does the average tablesaw injury cost?
D. How many tablesaws are out there?

So, if (A-B)*C/D > $1k, then the devices make sense. If it's

Firethorn: odinsposse: Too bad it already existed.

Only problem I have with it: Sawstop, on google, cheapest price: $1600, though it's noted that even disregarding the safety feature, it's a really good table saw.

Seach on Google for 'table saw': $499, $474, etc...
Amazon search - going by table saws, looking for feature match - between $600 and $1k.

So it's a $600-1k feature. Yes, table saw accidents are horrible, disfiguring, and expensive, but I'd have to ask:
A. How many tablesaw injuries are there each year?
B. How many of the injuries determined with #1 would be prevented if everybody bought devices with sawstop tech? One thing I read is that you have to disable the safety when cutting wet/moist wood. Not everybody does, but some do, so the occasional accident would still happen.
C. How much does the average tablesaw injury cost?
D. How many tablesaws are out there?

So, if (A-B)*C/D > $1k, then the devices make sense. If it's


It doesn't matter how astronomical the odds are. Once the finger comes off, $1k will seem like a bargain, and one would forever feel extremely douchey for cutting (haw haw!) corners.

Firethorn: odinsposse: Too bad it already existed.

Only problem I have with it: Sawstop, on google, cheapest price: $1600, though it's noted that even disregarding the safety feature, it's a really good table saw.

Seach on Google for 'table saw': $499, $474, etc...
Amazon search - going by table saws, looking for feature match - between $600 and $1k.

So it's a $600-1k feature. Yes, table saw accidents are horrible, disfiguring, and expensive, but I'd have to ask:
A. How many tablesaw injuries are there each year?
B. How many of the injuries determined with #1 would be prevented if everybody bought devices with sawstop tech? One thing I read is that you have to disable the safety when cutting wet/moist wood. Not everybody does, but some do, so the occasional accident would still happen.
C. How much does the average tablesaw injury cost?
D. How many tablesaws are out there?

So, if (A-B)*C/D > $1k, then the devices make sense. If it's

Two things to consider though:

Case 1: My father has been a skilled laborer all his life (auto factory worker). Now he has his whole wood shop and putters around in it. He's older though and his vision is 100%. So he's at the highest risk for losing a finger I assume. So his greater odds of cutting himself justify the price. The same with hobbyists like myself who use it on the weekends to built a treefort for their kids and other projects, but not regularly. The casual user is more likely to get themselves. For me coming up with an extra 600 is worth avoiding 20 weeks out of work (or whatever the average time off for farking up your hand is these days) and the lost wages that go with it.

Case 2: Some kind of business or school. Here you're carrying insurance in case your employees or students inure themselves. I'd assume the purchase of SawStops would lower your insurance rates and you get the purchase price back due to a lower premium. Plus you're buying a nicer grade saw in this case, so the 500 dollar table saw is out the window anyway.

Although in Case 2, it always struck me as amusing to walk into a shop that has a SawStop for safety, but 20 other pieces of equipment that can fark you up as bad if not worse. Or in my father's case he has a die mill from 1920 he still operates from time to time. That sucker doesn't have any kind of safety feature on it.

/thought that counts I guess

Loaf's Tray: Serpoltas: Permanent shocker!

Two in the pink, one in the garbage...

I ROFL'D

oh come on, give the guy some encouragement.. It is said that Edison went through hundreds of versions of the light bulb that didn't work, and he just continued until he found one that did...

This guys got at least 9 fingers left, so let's lend him a hand.

Blues_X: ha-ha-guy: and we both felt that SawStop needs to make some bulky old model that has no branding on it. Make it look like some 1980s era saw that will take your entire arm off.

A friend of mine bought an old bandsaw at a garage sale. I think it was from the 50's.

He said "until I got everything balanced, it scared the shiat out of me every time I turned it on."

When I was in engineering school our machine shop was stocked with old WWI and WWII machine tools. Our band saw was made sometime around the turn of the century, and the first time I used it I didn't look at the blade to make sure I had the right one on. When I attempted to cut an aluminum sheet (maybe 1/8" thick, I can't remember) with a wood blade it literally swallowed the whole sheet of aluminum. Like, it pulled the whole thing through the cutting groove and kept on spinning.

That scared me enough that I didn't use it again until I was a sophomore. I also watched an idiot lose most of his shirt to a lathe built in 1940. Long sleeves should not be worn around lathes.

How did it lose the last part of my post?

So, if (A-B)*C/D > $1k, then the devices make sense. If it's less than $600, than it wouldn't make sense at all. Between those values, it's up in the air. Install it in schools and such first, then especially safety concious shops, the casual home user would be last, though possibly higher due to lack of skill and tendency to take shortcuts vastly increasing the odds of an accident.

ha-ha-guy: Case 1: My father has been a skilled laborer all his life (auto factory worker). Now he has his whole wood shop and putters around in it. He's older though and his vision is 100%. So he's at the highest risk for losing a finger I assume. So his greater odds of cutting himself justify the price. The same with hobbyists like myself who use it on the weekends to built a treefort for their kids and other projects, but not regularly. The casual user is more likely to get themselves. For me coming up with an extra 600 is worth avoiding 20 weeks out of work (or whatever the average time off for farking up your hand is these days) and the lost wages that go with it.

Heh, I mentioned some of these in the post, but somehow it got truncated. I screwed up the formula as well - B should have been the remaining accidents even with sawstop.

Anyways, I think you make a good point - my grandfather didn't cut anything off until he was in his 60's, and casual users are the most dangerous per hour. Maybe encourage people to rent the sawstop rather than buy a cheap tablesaw. Heck, let you rent a safe(r) workshop for the occasional project.

Case 2: Some kind of business or school. Here you're carrying insurance in case your employees or students inure themselves. I'd assume the purchase of SawStops would lower your insurance rates and you get the purchase price back due to a lower premium. Plus you're buying a nicer grade saw in this case, so the 500 dollar table saw is out the wi ...

'schools and such' was in the original post I intended. *sad*

Although in Case 2, it always struck me as amusing to walk into a shop that has a SawStop for safety, but 20 other pieces of equipment that can fark you up as bad if not worse. Or in my father's case he has a die mill from 1920 he still operates from time to time. That sucker doesn't have any kind of safety feature on it.

You get safety features installed where you can. A bandsaw can screw somebody up just as quick - but due to the difference in how it operates, a sawstop type device might not work, might be worse than the cut with the risk of the band breaking, or maybe somebody just hasn't done the development work yet. The sawstop guy might be working on it, but he's still a small business.

Firethorn: So, if (A-B)*C/D > $1k, then the devices make sense.

A times B times C equals X. If X is less than the cost of a recall, we don't do one.

TanHamster: Firethorn: odinsposse: Too bad it already existed.

Only problem I have with it: Sawstop, on google, cheapest price: $1600, though it's noted that even disregarding the safety feature, it's a really good table saw.

Seach on Google for 'table saw': $499, $474, etc...
Amazon search - going by table saws, looking for feature match - between $600 and $1k.

So it's a $600-1k feature. Yes, table saw accidents are horrible, disfiguring, and expensive, but I'd have to ask:
A. How many tablesaw injuries are there each year?
B. How many of the injuries determined with #1 would be prevented if everybody bought devices with sawstop tech? One thing I read is that you have to disable the safety when cutting wet/moist wood. Not everybody does, but some do, so the occasional accident would still happen.
C. How much does the average tablesaw injury cost?
D. How many tablesaws are out there?

So, if (A-B)*C/D > $1k, then the devices make sense. If it's


It doesn't matter how astronomical the odds are. Once the finger comes off, $1k will seem like a bargain, and one would forever feel extremely douchey for cutting (haw haw!) corners.

I'm typing THIS will all 9.5 of my fingers (OK, 7.5 fingers and two thumbs). I was reluctant to buy a SawStop because of the price. I had two things in my favor: 1. My current shop is directly across the street from the ER 2. It was a fairly clean amputation. Overall, it cost about the same as a middle of the road model of the SawStop. Our new shop is 14 miles from town...I'll be buying a SawStop for it.

Had a customer at work recently that lost the tips off four finger on his right hand. Just happened and he was waiting to get the skin grafs. He was checking out a car that somebody was trying to sell. The hood was up and he placed his hands on the front of the car to check out the engine. The right hand was resting on the fan shroud when the owner of the car decided the demostrate the car's ability to chop and dice when you start it. I would say both share some blame.

lack of warmth: Had a customer at work recently that lost the tips off four finger on his right hand. Just happened and he was waiting to get the skin grafs. He was checking out a car that somebody was trying to sell. The hood was up and he placed his hands on the front of the car to check out the engine. The right hand was resting on the fan shroud when the owner of the car decided the demostrate the car's ability to chop and dice when you start it. I would say both share some blame.

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