I dunno... it's probably been said already, but a QB named Luck in a uniform that prominently features a horseshoe almost seems too Disney-like to happen.

a girl's gotta have standards?

/I heart toxic waste.

Intrigued.

facisto: a girl's gotta have standards?

/I heart toxic waste.

Too long looking for the picture.

*Shakes tiny fist.*

ZMugg: [www.sportshollywood.com image 300x225]

Intrigued.

So hot...

Glad Real Genius was covered.

WinoRhino: I dunno... it's probably been said already, but a QB named Luck in a uniform that prominently features a horseshoe almost seems too Disney-like to happen.

Ha! You nailed it. That's a little too spot-on. It's almost like writing a film script and and you create a character, who's a quarterback from the University of Texas, and you name him "Colt McCoy."

No matter what team he is on, I am already nauseated by the 'all this team needed was a little Luck' comments

jblizzle: No matter what team he is on, I am already nauseated by the 'all this team needed was a little Luck' comments

Oh, you better brace yourself. We're in for 14 years of Berman Luck puns.

jblizzle: No matter what team he is on, I am already nauseated by the 'all this team needed was a little Luck' comments

Ugh. Yeah. "Luck on their side: Colts win in overtime" or any of the other potential headlines. On the flip side, if this guy turns out to be a huge jerk, I will love the comments if he does badly. Like, "Bad luck ruins Colt's chances at playoffs."

"Luck be a lady tonight: Colts QB found cross-dressing with Oscar De La Hoya."

pute kisses like a man: Wadded Beef: WinoRhino: I dunno... it's probably been said already, but a QB named Luck in a uniform that prominently features a horseshoe almost seems too Disney-like to happen.

Ha! You nailed it. That's a little too spot-on. It's almost like writing a film script and and you create a character, who's a quarterback from the University of Texas, and you name him "Colt McCoy."

or, you have mccoy pass to shipley one year, and then the next, mccoy's little brother mccoy passes to shipley's little brother shipley.

As I recally, li'l McCoy threw more to the hands of defenders than to li'l Shipley.

suck for luck is now complete

WinoRhino: "Luck be a lady tonight: Colts QB found cross-dressing with Oscar De La Hoya."

'Get a little Lucky.' The advertising slogan to for Andrew Luck replica sex toys.

WinoRhino: I dunno... it's probably been said already, but a QB named Luck in a uniform that prominently features a horseshoe almost seems too Disney-like to happen.

*insert pic of The Jersey where the kid becomes Peyton*

/my google fu is weak today

alwaysjaded: pute kisses like a man: Electriclectic: pute kisses like a man: Wadded Beef: WinoRhino: I dunno... it's probably been said already, but a QB named Luck in a uniform that prominently features a horseshoe almost seems too Disney-like to happen.

Ha! You nailed it. That's a little too spot-on. It's almost like writing a film script and and you create a character, who's a quarterback from the University of Texas, and you name him "Colt McCoy."

or, you have mccoy pass to shipley one year, and then the next, mccoy's little brother mccoy passes to shipley's little brother shipley.

As I recally, li'l McCoy threw more to the hands of defenders than to li'l Shipley.

yeah. well... give them time. It took Colt a while to develop (and he had a stronger team around him). but, by the time he was a junior, he was a good college quarterback.

Yea, this. For the most part, McCoy 2 looked decent. I'm just going to wait till next year before I make a judgement call.

And as for the Luck/Disney storyline, I don't know. I've been getting this feeling lately that all this hype is destined to blow up in peoples faces. My memory is fuzzy but can anyone tell me who was the last person that was hyped this much and went on to do everything that was predicted?

Peyton? I honestly don't remember how much he was hyped.

alwaysjaded: My memory is fuzzy but can anyone tell me who was the last person that was hyped this much and went on to do everything that was predicted?

Archie Manning?

/ Whatever you're thinking: (that's the joke.jpg)

Harv72b: Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: Oh, you better brace yourself. We're in for 14 years of Berman Luck puns.

Berman might die sooner than that.

From your lips to God's ears.

alwaysjaded: pute kisses like a man: Electriclectic: pute kisses like a man: Wadded Beef: WinoRhino: I dunno... it's probably been said already, but a QB named Luck in a uniform that prominently features a horseshoe almost seems too Disney-like to happen.

Ha! You nailed it. That's a little too spot-on. It's almost like writing a film script and and you create a character, who's a quarterback from the University of Texas, and you name him "Colt McCoy."

or, you have mccoy pass to shipley one year, and then the next, mccoy's little brother mccoy passes to shipley's little brother shipley.

As I recally, li'l McCoy threw more to the hands of defenders than to li'l Shipley.

yeah. well... give them time. It took Colt a while to develop (and he had a stronger team around him). but, by the time he was a junior, he was a good college quarterback.

Yea, this. For the most part, McCoy 2 looked decent. I'm just going to wait till next year before I make a judgement call.

And as for the Luck/Disney storyline, I don't know. I've been getting this feeling lately that all this hype is destined to blow up in peoples faces. My memory is fuzzy but can anyone tell me who was the last person that was hyped this much and went on to do everything that was predicted?



Perhaps?

LesserEvil: Peyton had a good run, but let's face it, he's done.

Irsay basically just confirmed it.

Even if he isn't done this coming season, he's in the twilight of his career. You take Luck and have a setup along the lines of Favre to Rodgers.

I wouldn't cut Peyton to bring in Luck. You bring in both, and let them compete for the starting job. My expectation is that Manning would win handily, in which case you let the younger guy sit and learn the offense for a year or two. Manning then retires, and Luck steps in flawlessly and starts his career with a 10 win plus season.

The last thing you want to do is bring in a #1 draft pick with no kind of support network. Athletic skill alone doesn't make a champion. Anyone else remember the last "sure thing"?



The big question they need to ask either Luck or Griffin is "are you cool sitting for a few years? The guy in front of you is A) going to retire relatively soon, and B) has a history of injury. Both bode very well for your future." If the answer is anything other than "yes", don't bother drafting them. You don't need an overconfident, spoiled prick in a team game.

dragonchild: alwaysjaded: My memory is fuzzy but can anyone tell me who was the last person that was hyped this much and went on to do everything that was predicted?

I think Barry Sanders would be the most recent Heisman winner to take it to the next level and dominate in the NFL as well. He lived up to all the hype.

Ricky Williams probably could have done the same if he hadn't gone off the deep end and missed 2-3 seasons getting himself together (in the mean time, he has quietly surpassed 10,000 career rushing yards).

I_C_Weener: jblizzle: alwaysjaded: pute kisses like a man: Electriclectic: pute kisses like a man: Wadded Beef: WinoRhino: I dunno... it's probably been said already, but a QB named Luck in a uniform that prominently features a horseshoe almost seems too Disney-like to happen.

Peyton is the exception to the fail of the first round for the Colts. Quentin Coryot, Steve Emtmann, and a host of other failures of the first round. I worry that Luck will either fail like Leaf, or worse, will look great for 5 games then break his eyeballs or something and never play again.

Wow you really haven't followed the Colts drafts since the early 90s have you?

Shaggy_C: I wouldn't cut Peyton to bring in Luck. You bring in both, and let them compete for the starting job. My expectation is that Manning would win handily, in which case you let the younger guy sit and learn the offense for a year or two. Manning then retires, and Luck steps in flawlessly and starts his career with a 10 win plus season.

The last thing you want to do is bring in a #1 draft pick with no kind of support network. Athletic skill alone doesn't make a champion. Anyone else remember the last "sure thing"?

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The big question they need to ask either Luck or Griffin is "are you cool sitting for a few years? The guy in front of you is A) going to retire relatively soon, and B) has a history of injury. Both bode very well for your future." If the answer is anything other than "yes", don't bother drafting them. You don't need an overconfident, spoiled prick in a team game.

The problem with this approach is two-fold:

1) You're picking the approach that benefits neither the short term or long term. If Manning is healthy, using the pick on a rookie QB does absolutely nothing to help the team, especially when it can be parlayed into more draft picks.
2) Luck, not so much RGIII, has all the leverage in the world if he doesn't want to sit, most likely for years if Peyton is healthy, on the bench. If Manning comes back healthy, there is no way he doesn't finish out his contract

ThaGravy: I think Barry Sanders would be the most recent Heisman winner to take it to the next level and dominate in the NFL as well. He lived up to all the hype.

Ricky Williams probably could have done the same if he hadn't gone off the deep end and missed 2-3 seasons getting himself together (in the mean time, he has quietly surpassed 10,000 career rushing yards).

Not sure why I was quoted there, but Barry's hype was measured. The NFL had the same doubts colleges had; at the time he was considered too short. He was, in fact, the running back that caused scouts to focus on weight instead of height, paving the path for other short running backs.

As for Ricky, he's part of a different era where rushing yards are (perhaps more fairly) attributed to the offensive line. RBs are commodities now because the bigger guys are faster, the faster guys are bigger and no RB can hold up for more than 5-6 seasons. While the idea that last generation's linemen were small is a myth, basically anyone above 250 pounds lost a lot of speed. Barry Sanders was able to dominate that era because he was too quick for anyone big enough to be an NFL lineman. Now, there's no such thing as a mismatch. The DE (or OLB) is expected to hold the edge against scramblers and the CB's expected to stop the downhill runners in space. The era of dominating RBs is over.

redmid17: 1) You're picking the approach that benefits neither the short term or long term. If Manning is healthy, using the pick on a rookie QB does absolutely nothing to help the team, especially when it can be parlayed into more draft picks.
2) Luck, not so much RGIII, has all the leverage in the world if he doesn't want to sit, most likely for years if Peyton is heal ...

Obviously the thinking the last few years - "don't bother with a backup, Manning will be around forever!" wasn't the good way to go. The problem with a rookie QB is that you have absolutely no idea if they're going to be good or if they're going to be a bust. Might as well get the best you can with the expectation that they're going to be mediocre. Having a mediocre player as your backup is a great improvement. Yes, we need a lot of work to shore up our secondary, but I don't think you're going to get there just through the draft. It's going to take free agency (which the Colts have been traditionally loathe to do).

I would agree though - I don't think Luck is going to be happy sitting, even his first year. And if that's the case, I don't really want him. The Colts need team players, not prima donnas.

I_C_Weener: redmid17: Wow you really haven't followed the Colts drafts since the early 90s have you?

How many top 20 picks have they had in the past 15 years?

They seldom work out when they pick that high.

Tarik Glenn, Marvin Harrison, Peyton Manning, Edgerrin James, Dwight Freeney - all top 20 picks

Pro Bowls - 5 of 5
All Pro - 4 of 5
HOF - 2 definitel (Harrison, Manning), 2 possible (Freeney, James)

Colts have nailed their top 20 picks since Irsay hired an actual GM (Tobin, Polian). Honestly even tempering the Manning accomplishments, I doubt you'd be able to find a record that good by any other team in the NFL in the same time period.

Shaggy_C: redmid17: 1) You're picking the approach that benefits neither the short term or long term. If Manning is healthy, using the pick on a rookie QB does absolutely nothing to help the team, especially when it can be parlayed into more draft picks.
2) Luck, not so much RGIII, has all the leverage in the world if he doesn't want to sit, most likely for years if Peyton is heal ...

Obviously the thinking the last few years - "don't bother with a backup, Manning will be around forever!" wasn't the good way to go. The problem with a rookie QB is that you have absolutely no idea if they're going to be good or if they're going to be a bust. Might as well get the best you can with the expectation that they're going to be mediocre. Having a mediocre player as your backup is a great improvement. Yes, we need a lot of work to shore up our secondary, but I don't think you're going to get there just through the draft. It's going to take free agency (which the Colts have been traditionally loathe to do).

I would agree though - I don't think Luck is going to be happy sitting, even his first year. And if that's the case, I don't really want him. The Colts need team players, not prima donnas.

I'll be honest, we either need to start completely rebuilding the team or shore up the team in the short term for Manning to have a chance at more SB runs. You accomplish nothing by sitting Luck for 3-4 years other than pissing him off. If he sits for four years, he will either bolt or get a contract where he earns the average of the top 5 positional players in the NFL.

WinoRhino: I dunno... it's probably been said already, but a QB named Luck in a uniform that prominently features a horseshoe almost seems too Disney-like to happen.

And he will play wearing number 7.

Totally OT, but I'm in second place in the Fark playoff pickem!

I lost most of my starting lineup last week due to the saints losing so I think my perceived achievement is a little premature.

They went 2-14, and their plan is to spend 20% of their cap on a player who's old and didn't see a football field last year.

If they don't blow it up, they're insane. It's a business; operate it like one!

/not a Colts fan

redmid17: I'll be honest, we either need to start completely rebuilding the team or shore up the team in the short term for Manning to have a chance at more SB runs. You accomplish nothing by sitting Luck for 3-4 years other than pissing him off.

Exactly; best case, you bring Manning back and they're SB contenders again next year. Worst case, he's done for good. Either way, you've got a long-term solution at QB behind him. You just need to make very clear to Manning that he's got 2-3 years tops, and that his contract will not be renewed again beyond that. This was the whole Favre issue - he kept saying he would retire, then came back, which by the end must have been beyond grating for Aaron Rodgers. No need to put that bad taste in people's mouths.

redmid17: Honestly even tempering the Manning accomplishments, I doubt you'd be able to find a record that good by any other team in the NFL in the same time period.

The analysis is disingenuous in one aspect, though. Most teams don't try to find the next HoF player with their first pick; they fill a critical need, usually linemen. Carolina could have the #1 pick and they would only draft Luck to trade him; Cam Newton's been outperforming expectations. First-rounders aren't hypertalented so much as safe. It doesn't matter if they never make the Pro Bowl or All-Pro, which is often based on career years or influenced by team success anyway.

Even then, it's not uncommon for eventual Pro Bowlers to go in the later rounds (2nd, 3rd, 4th) because that's when team can start to gamble on high-risk, high-ceiling prospects. That's why Tebow was expected to go in the 3rd round; he had a huge upside with Pro Bowl potential -- but his many glaring weaknesses made him a very dangerous 1st-round pick.

Peyton Manning wasn't drafted #1 because of his upside; he was drafted because he had no obvious downside.

dragonchild: redmid17: Honestly even tempering the Manning accomplishments, I doubt you'd be able to find a record that good by any other team in the NFL in the same time period.

The analysis is disingenuous in one aspect, though. Most teams don't try to find the next HoF player with their first pick; they fill a critical need, usually linemen. Carolina could have the #1 pick and they would only draft Luck to trade him; Cam Newton's been outperforming expectations. First-rounders aren't hypertalented so much as safe. It doesn't matter if they never make the Pro Bowl or All-Pro, which is often based on career years or influenced by team success anyway.

Even then, it's not uncommon for eventual Pro Bowlers to go in the later rounds (2nd, 3rd, 4th) because that's when team can start to gamble on high-risk, high-ceiling prospects. That's why Tebow was expected to go in the 3rd round; he had a huge upside with Pro Bowl potential -- but his many glaring weaknesses made him a very dangerous 1st-round pick.

Peyton Manning wasn't drafted #1 because of his upside; he was drafted because he had no obvious downside.

So let's completely disregard the complete success rate the Colts had with their only 5 top 20 picks in that 15 year period? I didn't intend for it to be an exhaustive analysis of the Colts drafting. Someone had posited the Colts early first round draft picks had largely sucked. I countered that they hadn't in the last 15 years, and that they likely exceeded any other team's early 1st round drafting in that time period. You can't question their success in that regard.

mynameisdouglas: And he will play wearing number 7.

No way, dude, Painter 4EVA!

redmid17: I'll be honest, we either need to start completely rebuilding the team or shore up the team in the short term for Manning to have a chance at more SB runs.

I am totally on board with the latter. Granted there's still a lot of things to know before going forward, but that is what would be ideal in my eyes. Sure, you don't pass up a "once in a decade talent" or whatever they say Luck is, but I believe "you don't pass off a HOFer with 4-5 years left" trumps that entirely.

funk_soul_bubby: mynameisdouglas: And he will play wearing number 7.

No way, dude, Painter 4EVA!

redmid17: I'll be honest, we either need to start completely rebuilding the team or shore up the team in the short term for Manning to have a chance at more SB runs.

I am totally on board with the latter. Granted there's still a lot of things to know before going forward, but that is what would be ideal in my eyes. Sure, you don't pass up a "once in a decade talent" or whatever they say Luck is, but I believe "you don't pass off a HOFer with 4-5 years left" trumps that entirely.

Yeah that's my thinking as well, especially since we're on the hook for a large portion of his contract (in dead cap money as it were) for the duration of the contract. If he's healthy, might as well ride him into the ground/sunset.

redmid17: So let's completely disregard the complete success rate the Colts had with their only 5 top 20 picks in that 15 year period?

Settle down, Francis. I'm not saying the Colts' picks were bad. I'm just saying, and you'd probably agree, that it's imperfect and we ought to be clear about how. Some players make the Pro Bowl because another player hid their weaknesses, and Peyton Manning hid a LOT of team weaknesses.

That said, the Colts might not have had any Pro Bowlers among their picks, but I wouldn't call that evidence they were busts. What you really ought to look at are starts, but if any of them made Pro Bowl or All-Pro, odds are they were OK in that respect too.

/ Yeesh, is it just me or are Farkers getting really sensitive? I'm not even insulting anyone. WTF happened to welcometofark.jpg?